NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Bacde · Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 9:05 am

In post 1220, Thor665 wrote:What did I do that was scummy?

What did you do that was townie?

Bacde · Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 9:07 am

you guys like that? fight fire w/ fire when it comes to thor don't let him play you like that

Slandaar · Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 9:07 am

In post 1205, Thor665 wrote: Why does that make him scummy?

Let me help you.

Day 2 3 VT dead in 13man game;

Sland: lets massclaim.

Nacho is town in these quotes...

In post 477, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 470, Slandaar wrote:3/4 PR out of 7 town alive helps us narrow down things considerably

Scum can fakeclaim but it will be obvious when they do.
really
because massclaims are kind of shitty when we have an SK
since they kind of cut through the PRs pretty easily
and if we have a massclaim then he will have no reason to claim town

In post 482, Nachomamma8 wrote: i don't necessarily think we have an SK
but the possibility exists, and it makes massclaim shitty

I claim Doc

In post 565, Nachomamma8 wrote:if we decided to massclaim, then yes that would be a good idea.
i still think it's a horrible idea to massclaim. maybe a little bit less than i did before, but it's still a horrible idea.
you also wouldn't be conftown with an un-CC'ed doctor claim

He should probably die. (In case anyone doesn't understand why; 1. there is possible SK in this game no reason to assume there isn't and 2. the situation in said game was a much greater spot to massclaim than here and 3. I had a solution to ensure SK issue wasn't an issue; the vig claims first or no massclaim)

Nacho is scum trying to push an idea he thinks will help his team.

The Oversoul case is pretty bad also; yes everyone could see its a fakeclaim but it doesn't mean it comes from scum.

AngryPidgeon · Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 9:29 am

Will-be-votecount-24, aka the "Sorry, surprise Mother's Day plans" votecount.

<<< I probably shoulda taken that into account for my prod-o-meter.

>>>

Nachomamma8 - 7 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, Slandaar, Desperado, EddieFenix)

Red Ryu - 5 (Oversoul, Thor665, Mac, Bulbazak, Syryana)

Bulbazak - 2 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut)
Cephrir - 2 (BeautyAndTheBeast, Baby Spice)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
Oversoul - 1 (Nachomamma8)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 1 (Cephrir)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)

Not Voting - 4 (Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9)

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

Oversoul · Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 9:32 am

In post 1226, Bacde wrote:you guys like that? fight fire w/ fire when it comes to thor don't let him play you like that

He'll actually answer that whereas you probably won't

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 9:41 am

In post 1224, Bacde wrote:B&tB We can't worry about lynching nacho because of "what if he's town"

if he's town he's even more worthless this game because he's pushing stupid cases

I'm no longer going to worry about lynching my scumreads just because I read a stronger player as scum, I can depend on myself

I don't like to lynch town cos I don't like to be wrong. it really is that simple.

but also the game will be boring without nacho. not to mention nacho will hang this over my head for the next 20 games.

also re: thor

last time I went toe to toe in wot war with thor I nearly gave myself an aneurism cos do you know what he did he said, "hey mollie why is your town game like your scum game?" when the only game I had played with him at that point was audio where I was scum.

he said this and got away with it

.

I wanted to murder everyone in that game until I got culted and then had to scummily back off from. then I was grateful town's stupidity cos that should have raised a red flag but everyone lynched the cop instead. that was pretty funny.

Oversoul · Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 9:45 am

Mollie I enjoy playing with you, your posts are always filled with levity

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 9:59 am

In post 1231, Oversoul wrote:Mollie I enjoy playing with you, your posts are always filled with levity

Thor665 · Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 9:59 am

In post 1221, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:kudos to thor for pointing out that is bc's case is a meta case. but thor you have been consistently cranky what's up with that.

Ongoing.

That said, I don't see what this has to do with the price of tea in China.

In post 1223, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 1219, Bacde wrote:Thor I'ma be really satisfied when you flip scum regardless of nacho's alignment
bc we are so on the same page it is not funny. thor tweaked my scumdar last night we he said he was hittin' da club but suddenly reappears when nacho gets on and looked....perky. it is a weak fos that I am unable to solidify cos he is ignoring me lol.

Quote me saying I was 'hitting the club'.
Because I didn't.

In post 1225, Bacde wrote:
In post 1220, Thor665 wrote:What did I do that was scummy?
What did you do that was townie?

I got my role PM.
Why do you think I'm scum?

In post 1230, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:last time I went toe to toe in wot war with thor I nearly gave myself an aneurism cos do you know what he did he said, "hey mollie why is your town game like your scum game?" when the only game I had played with him at that point was audio where I was scum.
he said this and got away with it
.

That's actually a valid question.
But, yeah, Bacde thinking he can out wordplay me is kinda silly.

pirate mollie · Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 10:23 am

In post 1173, Thor665 wrote:
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I like B&B's catch on the kitten. Still want to lynch that thing.

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@Nacho
- how clever do you think Oversoul is exactly? Because it sounds like you caught him in a bad claim that would, by definition, require a large amount of cleverness to pull off. Functionally I feel like you're calling him clever and dumb scum both at the same time and applying both tells to him - thoughts?

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I hope Mollie explains the 3rd party thing better than 'because that's how you sound'
Seriously.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4938719
Kind of feels that doesn't jive with later Cephrir answers. Urge to kill it rising...oh, snap, i said kill it, i am scumz!

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Bulbazak bleeds town.
SLaandar can be scummy now.

I'm done with this for tonight.

I still have about...20 pages? Ugh. Sunday may see a lot of that sawed down - or I'll just start skipping it out of boredom and figure I missed nothing of import.

"hittin da club" is a figure of speech, meaning "signing off"

I asked you why you were cranky cos I wanted to what entertaining story you came up with cos I don't believe you are actually cranky, I think you are just doing it so that players will keep their distance. it is a classic tell for old school players and what is interesting is that it is a certain personality type who does it. you have been dropping it all game and I just really don't think your male pms can possibly last this long.

yeah, bc probably won't be able to out wordplay. I can't either but I might be able to outmaneuver you someday with in thread game play. mebbe

but then I am in a majiffy hydra so things might be different haha

Bacde · Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:11 am

guys guess what

if we have to sit around with our thumbs in our asses until the deadline comes around and finally people are like "oh geez we need a lynch I guess I'll lynch nacho"

then I will still feel happy

so I see no need to do anything in this thread right now besides continue to push nacho

@Thor when did I say I can out-wordplay you? And when did that even become relevant to you being scum? As long as your MO this game is "defend nacho" and "not look for scum" I will continue to scumread you and probably get you lynched later this game

Thor665 · Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:36 am

In post 1234, pirate mollie wrote:"hittin da club" is a figure of speech, meaning "signing off"

Yeah...but was a signing off of the site, or signing off of catching up...which was what I was doing in that post.

In post 1234, pirate mollie wrote:I asked you why you were cranky cos I wanted to what entertaining story you came up with cos I don't believe you are actually cranky, I think you are just doing it so that players will keep their distance. it is a classic tell for old school players and what is interesting is that it is a certain personality type who does it. you have been dropping it all game and I just really don't think your male pms can possibly last this long.

In post 1234, pirate mollie wrote:yeah, bc probably won't be able to out wordplay. I can't either but I might be able to outmaneuver you someday with in thread game play. mebbe

but then I am in a majiffy hydra so things might be different haha

Yeah, being with Majiffy makes you easy to lynch if I want to lynch you.

Did any of that have a purpose? Besides a really stretchy emotion as scumtell theory that didn't even bother to look at any of my other games to see if I'm not grumpy in them in order to prove your rather silly scumtheory? Because, y'know, if I was faking it then, theoretically, I wouldn't be doing it in other games, right?

In post 1235, Bacde wrote:@Thor when did I say I can out-wordplay you? And when did that even become relevant to you being scum? As long as your MO this game is "defend nacho" and "not look for scum" I will continue to scumread you and probably get you lynched later this game

Well...seeing as how I am scumhunting and also that scumhunting can involve discussing the Nacho case...I dunno, yeah it will probably be easy for you to lynch me later.

So...is that why I'm scummy? For not buying your not exactly impressive case on Nacho and also for "not scumhunting" (says the guy who just admitted he won't be scumhunting anymore)

Oh, wait, I just managed to insult your case, your conclusions, *and* call you a hypocrite off of one post. That's a trifecta, I win!

But, no, seriously - why do you think I'm scummy? You waded in on that awfully quick after calling me town, and the only thing I did inbetween was question your Nacho case and point out that I thought it had holes. Are you really that insecure, or really that certain that I'd be desperate to protect a scumbuddy from an attack...because Thor does that all the time.

Thor665 · Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:37 am

Actually, Mollie, wait a minute.

You *don't think I was cranky*

What emotion would you ascribe to me during the audio game.

Dead serious question here.

Bacde · Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:37 am

Yes it was due to insecurity will you vote nacho now or are you going to continue to defend scum?

Thor665 · Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:39 am

I'm going to defend scum - your case on him is probably about as solid as your case on me, and thus isn't worth sheeping at this point.

Bacde · Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:40 am

I also never said you were town I said you were "likely town" based on the fact that you were willing to PL me and not just call me obvtown (which is a behavior I've seen you do as scum)

So unless you think that you not calling me obvtown is a

STRONG

reason to think that you are town (hint: its not), then you should be able to understand why my read on you changed quickly.

Thor665 · Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:41 am

Also, you should pay attention to how Slandaar does it - he's pushing the case about fifty times better than you are right now.

Bacde · Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:41 am

In post 1239, Thor665 wrote:I'm going to defend scum - your case on him is probably about as solid as your case on me, and thus isn't worth sheeping at this point.

no

my case on nacho is 1000x stronger than my case on you

that is something that should be obvious to you

its obvious to me--that's why I'm voting nacho over you

Bacde · Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:41 am

In post 1241, Thor665 wrote:Also, you should pay attention to how Slandaar does it - he's pushing the case about fifty times better than you are right now.

great! listen to slandaar and vote for nacho

I really don't care who you listen to as long as your vote is in the right place

Bacde · Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:44 am

In post 1239, Thor665 wrote:I'm going to defend scum - your case on him is probably about as solid as your case on me, and thus isn't worth sheeping at this point.

@mollie, thor likes to say cheeky stuff as scum right?

Bacde · Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:46 am

Guys, if nacho was town, would his vote seriously still be on OS?

seriously?

Thor665 · Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:53 am

In post 1245, Bacde wrote:Guys, if nacho was town, would his vote seriously still be on OS?

seriously?

You are in an ongoing with me where you saw Nacho play.
I really wish I could ask you about it.
But I am fascinated at this level of awe for him considering you saw the same play I did.
It's annoying I can't press you on it either - because you are the one who feels fake here.

Bacde · Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 11:58 am

In post 1246, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1245, Bacde wrote:Guys, if nacho was town, would his vote seriously still be on OS?

seriously?
You are in an ongoing with me where you saw Nacho play.
I really wish I could ask you about it.
But I am fascinated at this level of awe for him considering you saw the same play I did.
It's annoying I can't press you on it either - because you are the one who feels fake here.

I feel ya brother

I really do

But I can only talk to you about this game in this thread and I'll tell you--I'm not fake. If you want to lynch a guaranteed scum, lynch AA9

if you want to lynch a smart scum who will work to win his team the game, lynch nachomamma8

if it makes you feel any better, my push on nacho actually comes from a distinct

lack

of awe that I have for nacho

Nacho is a great player of mafia and a previous-bacde would probably not have wanted to push a wagon on nacho because of the threat of "what if nacho is town"

recently I realized that I need to push my scumreads and not listen to others as much to win games--my own reads before they are manipulated by others are often pretty accurate

Bacde · Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 12:04 pm

@Thor what is your read on slandaar?

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2013 12:12 pm

In post 1236, Thor665 wrote:Yeah...but was a signing off of the site, or signing off of catching up...which was what I was doing in that post.

I took it as you signing off mebbe you should have used more words

Yeah, being with Majiffy makes you easy to lynch if I want to lynch you.

Did any of that have a purpose? Besides a really stretchy emotion as scumtell theory that didn't even bother to look at any of my other games to see if I'm not grumpy in them in order to prove your rather silly scumtheory? Because, y'know, if I was faking it then, theoretically, I wouldn't be doing it in other games, right?

wait why would I look at other ongoing games to try to discern whether or not you are actually cranky when I can just ask you itt. I can't discuss them and not knowing your alignment in those games, it would be pointless. you, theoretically, could be scum in all of your current games to say otherwise is the application of gambler's fallacy.

lol, that isn't how I meta people btw

you dodged the question hence why I think the crankiness might be fake

and now you are deflecting