NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[mastin2]

Twenty-first Votecount

:

(

AKA, the "Very pleased with activity" votecount

)

Red Ryu - 6 (Oversoul, Thor665, Baby Spice, Mac, Bulbazak, Syryana)

Nachomamma8 - 5 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast)

Bulbazak - 3 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut, EddieFenix)
DLG - 2 (Desperado, CrashTextDummie)
Oversoul - 1 (Nachomamma8)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 1 (Cephrir)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)

Not Voting - 5 (Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Nachomamma8 - 5 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast)
Red Ryu - 6 (Oversoul, Thor665, Baby Spice,

Mac

,

Bulbazak

,

Syryana

)
Bulbazak - 3 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut, EddieFenix)
Oversoul - 1 (Nachomamma8,

CrashTextDummie

)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 1 (Cephrir)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Om the Destroyer - 0 (

Bulbazak

)
DLG - 2 (Desperado,

CrashTextDummie

)

Not Voting - 5 (

Mac

,

Syryana

, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9)

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Mac: Red Ryu
CrashTextDummie: Oversoul->DLG
Cephrir: Oversoul->BeautyAndTheBeast
Nachomamma8: Oversoul
DLG: ArcAngel9
Nero Cain: Oversoul->EddieFenix->Oversoul->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->BeautyAndTheBeast->EddieFenix->Nachomamma8
EddieFenix: BeautyAndTheBeast->Bulbazak
Bulbazak: Oversoul->Om the Destroyer->Red Ryu
Thor665: Red Ryu
Red Ryu: Nachomamma8
Syryana: Red Ryu
Desperado: DLG
Baby Spice: Red Ryu
Slandaar:
Oversoul: Red Ryu
Seanald:
ActionDan:
fuzzybutternut: Oversoul->Cephrir->Bulbazak
Rondar:
Amethyst Kitty: Nachomamma8
BeautyAndTheBeast: Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Cephrir->Nachomamma8
Om the Destroyer: Red Ryu->BeautyAndTheBeast->Bulbazak
ArcAngel9:

Spoiler: Voting History

On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 12:43p,

Oversoul

votes

Red Ryu

in post 202.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 12:47p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Oversoul

in post 206.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:08p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Oversoul

in post 211.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:32p,

Nero Cain

votes

Oversoul

in post 218.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:37p,

Cephrir

votes

Oversoul

in post 219.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 02:45p,

Bulbazak

votes

Oversoul

in post 237.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 02:56p,

Om the Destroyer

votes

Red Ryu

in post 250.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 04:58p,

BeautyAndTheBeast

votes

Cephrir

in post 301.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 05:38p,

Om the Destroyer

unvotes

Red Ryu

and votes

BeautyAndTheBeast

in post 323.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 05:42p,

Cephrir

unvotes

Oversoul

and votes

BeautyAndTheBeast

in post 327.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 07:04p,

fuzzybutternut

votes

Oversoul

in post 361.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 07:42p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 388.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:14p,

Bacde

votes

BeautyAndTheBeast

in post 406.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:36p,

fuzzybutternut

votes

Cephrir

in post 414.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:43p,

EddieFenix

votes

BeautyAndTheBeast

in post 415.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:58p,

Nero Cain

votes

EddieFenix

in post 418.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 09:08p,

Red Ryu

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 423.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 09:13p,

Bacde

votes

EddieFenix

in post 427.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 09:55p,

Nero Cain

votes

Oversoul

in post 564.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:23a,

DLG

votes

ArcAngel9

in post 494.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 06:14p,

Bacde

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 587.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 08:41p,

Thor665

votes

Red Ryu

in post 600.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:12p,

Nero Cain

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 614.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:26p,

BeautyAndTheBeast

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 620.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:43p,

Amethyst Kitty

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 626.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 10:19p,

BeautyAndTheBeast

unvotes

Nachomamma8

in post 631.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 11:09p,

BeautyAndTheBeast

votes

Cephrir

in post 637.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 00:46a,

Om the Destroyer

votes

Bulbazak

in post 654.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 00:58a,

Bulbazak

votes

Om the destroyer

in post 657.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 04:56p,

fuzzybutternut

votes

Bulbazak

in post 734.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 05:57p,

Baby Spice

votes

Red Ryu

in post 749.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 07:02p,

Desperado

votes

DLG

in post 765.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 12:31p,

BeautyAndTheBeast

votes

Nachomamma8

in post 875.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 01:12p,

EddieFenix

unvotes

BeautyAndTheBeast

and votes

Bulbazak

in post 885.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 04:33p,

Mac

votes

Red Ryu

in post 915.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 07:49p,

Bulbazak

unvotes

Om the Destroyer

and votes

Red Ryu

in post 938.
On Fri, May 5/10/13 @ 00:27p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

DLG

in post 958.
on Fri, May 5/10/13 @ 05:39p,

Syryana

votes

Red Ryu

in post 968.

<<< A minor change

to the rules

has been made; AngryPidgeon's modding color is now included. >>>

[Slandaar]

I hope any sane town would see just how bad that Ryu wagon is.

[Nero Cain]

So now I'm not sane.

[Cephrir]

I like the existence of the wagon, but not so much the players on it.

[Bacde]

Syr and CTD are also scum

this wagon on Red Ryu is bullshit

we need more votes on Nacho

town-nacho would have checked in and said something sassy by now

[Bacde]

Actually CTD might night be scum I overreacted

but Syr is likely scum

[Bulbazak]

Why do you refuse to consider that Oversoul is scum?

Your an idiot if you think I never thought this.

Your posts don't indicate that.

Mafia would not figure that info out on D1 off their size when they lack to knowledge of what town has.

Are you implying that scum are stupid and can't extrapolate what is possible based on what they have?

We could try and piece it by D3, but we still could lack info on how kills work, what if they are alternating with opposite scum teams, one gets it on odd night, the other on even nights? What if some of these were town one shots? We don't know this til claims and flip roll around. Off how many people die is not a surefire tell.

True, we might not know the exact setup, but we can certainly figure out if there were at least 2 killing factions/roles.

But he tried to push OS on this as being scummy, there was no reason to consider him scummy for that action,

he deliberately refused to think OS was town doing that lying or telling the truth.

I am no throwing out the possibility OS is scum

That's not what it looks like to me.

I hope any sane town would see just how bad that Ryu wagon is.

this wagon on Red Ryu is bullshit

How is the Ryu wagon bad? Give reasons other than "because it is".

[Bacde]

How is the Ryu wagon bad? Give reasons other than "because it is".

because nacho is obv-scum right now and the Ryu wagon reeks of "counterwagon GO!"

red ryu has been garnering votes for his playstyle and nothing he's been doing is scummy

lets look at your responses to his posts:

Why do you refuse to consider that Oversoul is scum?

Your an idiot if you think I never thought this.

Your posts don't indicate that.

great response to red ryu's post. Basically you are saying "I refuse to believe you no matter WHAT you say! Its possible that you are scum so you must be scum!" If you are trying to make red ryu look scummy you are doing a

great

job

Here's another great response:

But he tried to push OS on this as being scummy, there was no reason to consider him scummy for that action,

he deliberately refused to think OS was town doing that lying or telling the truth.

I am no throwing out the possibility OS is scum

That's not what it looks like to me.

Awesome! So just because you aren't seeing the same things as Red Ryu, now hes scum?

Yeah nvm, your wagon on Red Ryu is great. You've really pointed out great reasons that he should be wagoned instead of nacho

[Bacde]

Just ISOed Nacho WHAT THE BUTT HES BEEN PUSHING A MASSCLAIM SINCE THE BEGINNING?!?!

THAT CHEEKY SCUMBUTT

[Bulbazak]

Nice job strawmanning me. Ryu's posts never show any indication whatsoever that he considered Oversoul anything other than town. That's what I was getting at in both of those responses. His push on Nacho is because he's taking advantage of Nacho's wagon to chainsaw defend his buddy Oversoul, making this an extension of his earlier attack of Nacho after the initial Oversoul claim.

Also great job of ignoring all of my previous responses to Ryu, where I explained everything more clearly, in an effort to discredit me. Because that doesn't make you look scummy at all.

[Bacde]

I'm not worried about looking scummy because I'm right about nacho being scum

Your vision of a "chainsaw defense" is flawed because we haven't seen any flips yet

[Bacde]

Also how is me quoting your posts in any way strawmanning?

It was me responding to what you literally said

[Bacde]

Sorry, proposing and pushing a d1 massclaim AND tunneling on OS for having a slightly strange claim are NOT nacho's town play

this is pretty obvious

[Cephrir]

ob·vi·ous [ob-vee-uhs]
adjective
1. easily seen, recognized, or understood; open to view or knowledge; evident: an obvious advantage.
2. lacking in subtlety.

Hm, it doesn't look like there are ~20 votes on Nacho. I guess 15 of us must be scum!

[Bacde]

Spoiler:

Why is this a bad/stupid point, Nacho?

I guess I'll let mollie answer your question first.

So Mollie, why did you call me a 3rd party?

Now I ask why you care about her specific reasoning as to why you are a third party. The scumtell should be that she's looking for third party, not that you're checking for valid reasoning or not.

why did you care about her reasoning?

but if she did have a decent reason she wasn't...?
she just found you?

I mean really, its like the first thing anyone would do is ask why a player said that. Bcade is probs right that Nacho is scum.

when people call me third party, i call them scum unless they have a penchant for the thing, like most normal people.

So you're saying that you would think a player was scum if they called you the sk without a strong/good reasoning. Wich is exactly what I said a few posts ago....

I'm saying that I would think a player is scum if they called me the SK unless they are known for oddly calling players third party.

although I really think we should be voting thor

mollie...

please stop letting nero troll you, jesus

hell no, i'm still revelling in that. I'm gonna post in other games first tho.

Can anyone here see a legitimate train of thought or motivation to scumhunt in this string of posts?

If not, then vote for nachomamma8

[Bacde]

ob·vi·ous [ob-vee-uhs]
adjective
1. easily seen, recognized, or understood; open to view or knowledge; evident: an obvious advantage.
2. lacking in subtlety.

Hm, it doesn't look like there are ~20 votes on Nacho. I guess 15 of us must be scum!

Tell me Ceph, what is your motivation for making this post?

I assume you think Nacho is obvious town if you think its THAT funny that I think nacho is obvious scum

[Slandaar]

Get em Bacde!

[Red Ryu]

Has Oversoul tried moving his vote at all? I'm pretty sure he has just been sitting on that vote.

Bulbs why should I consider OS' claim scummy at the time? Lol at calling Bacde's when your initial response was a straw man, are people seriously this stupid on this site?

[Slandaar]

are people seriously this stupid on this site?

(hes scum)

[Bulbazak]

Your vision of a "chainsaw defense" is flawed because we haven't seen any flips yet

The same could be said about "white knighting", but players make the argument anyway based on their read on the game. I believe Oversoul is scum. Ryu is attacking Nacho, BECAUSE he's attacking Oversoul. Ryu's recent actions have made me believe he is scum. Therefore, Ryu is chainsaw defending Oversoul.

Also how is me quoting your posts in any way strawmanning?

It was me responding to what you literally said

You looked at my posts without any context and ignored everything that led up to them, where I explained everything clearly, and attacked the weakest parts of the whole, which is the very definition of strawmanning.

[Bacde]

Get em Bacde!

support me with a

VOTE: nachomamma8

please

[Bacde]

Your vision of a "chainsaw defense" is flawed because we haven't seen any flips yet

The same could be said about "white knighting", but players make the argument anyway based on their read on the game. I believe Oversoul is scum. Ryu is attacking Nacho, BECAUSE he's attacking Oversoul. Ryu's recent actions have made me believe he is scum. Therefore, Ryu is chainsaw defending Oversoul.

Also how is me quoting your posts in any way strawmanning?

It was me responding to what you literally said

You looked at my posts without any context and ignored everything that led up to them, where I explained everything clearly, and attacked the weakest parts of the whole, which is the very definition of strawmanning.

What if...

maybe...

OS COULD be scum, but the way nacho is attacking him makes nacho DEFINITELY scum

[Cephrir]

ob·vi·ous [ob-vee-uhs]
adjective
1. easily seen, recognized, or understood; open to view or knowledge; evident: an obvious advantage.
2. lacking in subtlety.

Hm, it doesn't look like there are ~20 votes on Nacho. I guess 15 of us must be scum!

Tell me Ceph, what is your motivation for making this post?

I assume you think Nacho is obvious town if you think its THAT funny that I think nacho is obvious scum

No, I was just pointing out that your assertion that Nacho is "obviously scum" is ridiculous. If it was obvious everyone would see it. Sorry, sass is just me being me

I'm glad to see something from you that resembles a legitimate reason for voting Nacho (that string of posts where he isn't really doing much of anything). So let me ask you, how is he different from Nero, who spent a presumably equal number of posts on the other side of that conversation, being just as useless? Is it just the Oversoul push?

[Cephrir]

Okay, 996 basically answers my question, but feel free to elaborate if there's more.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

hey bulb

here is a compelling argument for why you should vote nacho

majiffy is actually letting me have my way in this.

he knows that I am pretty good at spotting scum nacho. if nacho is town he knows how to communicate to me in an unmistakable way and he knows that I will fight like hell to keep him from getting lynched.

anyways nacho told me before we even signed up for this game that he was having connectivity issues and its true, he has not been online very much. actually I haven't seen him online at since his last post