NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

mastin2 · Post Post #850 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 4:36 am

Eighteenth Votecount

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AKA, the "mod's a cheater" votecount

)

Nachomamma8 - 4 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty)

Red Ryu - 3 (Oversoul, Thor665, Baby Spice)

Oversoul - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Cephrir, EddieFenix)
Bulbazak - 2 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut)
Cephrir - 1 (BeautyAndTheBeast)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Om the Destroyer - 1 (Bulbazak)
DLG - 1 (Desperado)

Not Voting - 7 (Mac, Syryana, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #851 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 5:24 am

Slandaar if you could comment on section I said towards you - I'd greatly appreciate it.

@Nero -

I don't see how our vote is different from Bacade's. yes, he was the first vote on the Nacho wagon, but he didn't even give a reason for it. It just honestly looked like a random jump. He also keeps saying he'll give reasons for it, but actually hasn't.
I want to comment that he forgot his vote was on Nacho and revoted posts later. (I caught scum once before in a game because they forgot their vote was on a certain player, but I haven't yet decided if this is a real 'scum' tell)

So basically you are defending Bacade's vote on Nacho, but mudslinging at us.

Also can I ask you.. Your 3/4 vote on a wagon is for what size game? Meaning how many players and how accurate is it? I think you are just trying to find any reason to say we are scum and to see what sticks.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #852 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 5:25 am

Grrr!

I forgot to sign it.

This and the above post is..

~Mala

Bulbazak · Post Post #853 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 5:30 am

In post 847, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 823, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 820, Oversoul wrote:
Yes, my Informed Townie claim was a gambit. I do not have any special information about the setup. My extra tid bit of "I have more information" was to further the gambit more until more people had commented on it.
Explain this:

In post 204, Oversoul wrote: There are at least *2* killing roles in this game.
He was lying about there being 2 killing roles to make a believable story. The quote you are asking him to explain about is just fluff from the gambit while it was going on during early day 1.

Eddie, let Oversoul and others answer their own questions and defend themselves.

Oversoul, I still want you to answer this.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #854 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 5:46 am

Also Nero..

You state that the 3rd or 4th vote on wagon is usually scum. You tryin to indirectly state you are scum? You were the 3rd vote on two wagons so far.

~ Mala

Bacde · Post Post #855 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 5:47 am

In post 841, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 626, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Nacho is a read we both share, neither of us like the mass-claim and neither of us like his push on OS who we both think is probably town.
I figured that he was lying, so I pushed him for it. The massclaim idea you might not like, but I don't really see how that makes me scum.

In post 635, Amethyst Kitty wrote:though I have quite a fair amount of reason for Nacho-scum
I've heard "massclaim, summary, OS is town". That's about it.

In post 641, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Hey Nacho, thoughts on Cehprir?
I don't like the way he's responding so far, but I'm still waiting for the wheels to turn a little more before I give a solid read on him.

In post 677, Bacde wrote:I'm actually down to lynch nacho

this feels like scum-nacho to me

(how was that as a contribution?)
You got me all excited when you said you were gonna provide reasoning later...

In post 686, Bacde wrote:town-nacho would not have tunneled this idiotic OS case for this long

but its the perfect case for him to push as scum
It's also a good case to push as town, considering he was lying and it's a shitty gambit as town.

In post 688, Nero Cain wrote:pfft. Nacho badgering mover asking why Mollie called me an "indie" is just retarded and scummy. That's all that needs to be said.
Why?

In post 734, fuzzybutternut wrote:VOTE: Bulb
Sheeping. Etc.
Hey fuzzy, nice of you to join us? Where have you been?

In post 754, Red Ryu wrote:People should put more votes on Nacho.
Red Ryu! Why didn't you like my observations on Oversoul?

In post 820, Oversoul wrote:I made that claim because I wanted to see the reactions and judge whether or not anyone would jump down my throat to get me lynched for it and so far only Nacho really committed that crime.
Why did you think that anyone would jump down your throat to get you lynched for it?

lol look at this post

does this look like a "Hey I'm Nacho and I'm town and I'm pushing my point of view" post?

or does this look like a "Hey I'm Nacho and I'm scum and I wanna just check in and not be suspected for not posting" post?

Seriously.

@Nacho no its not a shitty gambit to do as town, if he is actually informed then its helpful for him to reveal his information ASAP. Also my reasoning is pretty much that your play in this game isn't your town play. Thats it.

If you AREN'T voting nacho after this post, you need to explain why

Slandaar · Post Post #856 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 6:12 am

In post 851, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Slandaar if you could comment on section I said towards you - I'd greatly appreciate it.

I am town, you are town, thats all I have to say.

EddieFenix · Post Post #857 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 6:37 am

In post 853, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 847, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 823, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 820, Oversoul wrote:
Yes, my Informed Townie claim was a gambit. I do not have any special information about the setup. My extra tid bit of "I have more information" was to further the gambit more until more people had commented on it.
Explain this:

In post 204, Oversoul wrote: There are at least *2* killing roles in this game.
He was lying about there being 2 killing roles to make a believable story. The quote you are asking him to explain about is just fluff from the gambit while it was going on during early day 1.
Eddie, let Oversoul and others answer their own questions and defend themselves.

Oversoul, I still want you to answer this.

I planned on him answering for himself. I was mainly pointing out what was an obvious open and close question.

Oversoul · Post Post #858 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 6:53 am

In post 853, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 847, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 823, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 820, Oversoul wrote:
Yes, my Informed Townie claim was a gambit. I do not have any special information about the setup. My extra tid bit of "I have more information" was to further the gambit more until more people had commented on it.
Explain this:

In post 204, Oversoul wrote: There are at least *2* killing roles in this game.
He was lying about there being 2 killing roles to make a believable story. The quote you are asking him to explain about is just fluff from the gambit while it was going on during early day 1.
Eddie, let Oversoul and others answer their own questions and defend themselves.

Oversoul, I still want you to answer this.

Explain what? That is my Informed Townie claim. I just said that the claim was a gambit and everything that was related to it was a lie.
I did it to get reactions.

If you mean specifically why that information well because it was something I could say that wouldn't immediately be a lie. I was legitimate in applying the fact that Mastin had 7 people review this game. There are probably a lot of roles and such that required that much balance maintenance.
It is also very large so I can see it going the way of Peregrine's Playground Mafia which was large and had a lot of roles too.

Tangent, what do you think of Eddie intervening and answering the question for me?

Bacde · Post Post #859 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 6:53 am

Eddie and Slandaar and Oversoul seriously wtf?

I'm trying to move this game in a direction and you three are being deliberately anti-town by not even responding to my strong assertion I made just 4 posts ago

Oversoul · Post Post #860 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 6:56 am

I did read it.

I don't have confidence in my ability to read Nacho. He isn't a player that sticks out in my mind despite his prevalence on the site for whatever reason.

I'm not going to really go into people's alignments until I have had the time to reread the reactions to my gambits anyway. I'll let you know then.

Unfortunately this is probably going to be the last game I get to when I do my rounds

Red Ryu · Post Post #861 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:21 am

In post 855, Bacde wrote:
In post 841, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 626, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Nacho is a read we both share, neither of us like the mass-claim and neither of us like his push on OS who we both think is probably town.
I figured that he was lying, so I pushed him for it. The massclaim idea you might not like, but I don't really see how that makes me scum.

In post 635, Amethyst Kitty wrote:though I have quite a fair amount of reason for Nacho-scum
I've heard "massclaim, summary, OS is town". That's about it.

In post 641, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Hey Nacho, thoughts on Cehprir?
I don't like the way he's responding so far, but I'm still waiting for the wheels to turn a little more before I give a solid read on him.

In post 677, Bacde wrote:I'm actually down to lynch nacho

this feels like scum-nacho to me

(how was that as a contribution?)
You got me all excited when you said you were gonna provide reasoning later...

In post 686, Bacde wrote:town-nacho would not have tunneled this idiotic OS case for this long

but its the perfect case for him to push as scum
It's also a good case to push as town, considering he was lying and it's a shitty gambit as town.

In post 688, Nero Cain wrote:pfft. Nacho badgering mover asking why Mollie called me an "indie" is just retarded and scummy. That's all that needs to be said.
Why?

In post 734, fuzzybutternut wrote:VOTE: Bulb
Sheeping. Etc.
Hey fuzzy, nice of you to join us? Where have you been?

In post 754, Red Ryu wrote:People should put more votes on Nacho.
Red Ryu! Why didn't you like my observations on Oversoul?

In post 820, Oversoul wrote:I made that claim because I wanted to see the reactions and judge whether or not anyone would jump down my throat to get me lynched for it and so far only Nacho really committed that crime.
Why did you think that anyone would jump down your throat to get you lynched for it?
lol look at this post

does this look like a "Hey I'm Nacho and I'm town and I'm pushing my point of view" post?

or does this look like a "Hey I'm Nacho and I'm scum and I wanna just check in and not be suspected for not posting" post?

Seriously.

@Nacho no its not a shitty gambit to do as town, if he is actually informed then its helpful for him to reveal his information ASAP. Also my reasoning is pretty much that your play in this game isn't your town play. Thats it.

If you AREN'T voting nacho after this post, you need to explain why

We need more votes on him.

Red Ryu · Post Post #862 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:21 am

Oversoul why is your vote this on me?

Red Ryu · Post Post #863 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:23 am

Don't think Om is scum off recent posts.

Also pro tip, town will contradict itself, what town won't do is contract in an action where only they can gain from.

Red Ryu · Post Post #864 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:24 am

BeautyAndTheBeast May 03, 01:43pm May 09, 01:37am 0 days 10 hours 126
Om the Destroyer May 06, 02:51pm May 08, 11:38pm 0 days 12 hours 79
Nero Cain May 03, 03:07pm May 08, 11:58pm 0 days 12 hours 77
Oversoul May 03, 04:35pm May 09, 11:56am 0 days 0 hours 54
Amethyst Kitty May 03, 02:25pm May 09, 10:46am 0 days 1 hour 52
Bulbazak May 03, 02:02pm May 09, 10:30am 0 days 1 hour 47
fuzzybutternut May 03, 05:41pm May 08, 10:10pm 0 days 14 hours 45
Nachomamma8 May 03, 06:57pm May 09, 12:45am 0 days 11 hours 42
Bacde May 06, 07:41pm May 09, 11:53am 0 days 0 hours 39
Red Ryu May 04, 02:17am May 09, 12:23pm 0 days 0 hours 38
Cephrir May 03, 02:47pm May 08, 10:33pm 0 days 13 hours 35
Thor665 May 03, 11:24pm May 07, 09:10pm 1 day 15 hours 31
mastin2 May 03, 10:49am May 09, 09:36am 0 days 2 hours 26 May 09 2013
ArcAngel9 May 03, 01:59pm May 08, 08:03pm 0 days 16 hours 24
Desperado May 06, 02:43pm May 08, 11:43pm 0 days 12 hours 24
EddieFenix May 03, 07:03pm May 09, 11:37am 0 days 0 hours 21
Slandaar May 03, 02:06pm May 09, 11:12am 0 days 1 hour 19
DLG May 04, 05:17am May 08, 07:01pm 0 days 17 hours 13
CrashTextDummie May 03, 08:03pm May 08, 07:28pm 0 days 16 hours 12
AngryPidgeon May 03, 02:18pm May 08, 06:33pm 0 days 17 hours 10
ActionDan May 03, 01:51pm May 08, 07:27pm 0 days 16 hours 10
roflcopter May 03, 09:15pm May 04, 12:20pm 5 days 0 hours 9
Baby Spice May 03, 02:26pm May 08, 05:57pm 0 days 18 hours 8
Mac May 03, 04:03pm May 08, 05:21pm 0 days 19 hours 7
Rondar May 03, 02:14pm May 07, 02:30pm 1 day 21 hours 3
Human Destroyer May 03, 02:06pm May 05, 05:07am 4 days 7 hours 3
pirate mollie May 07, 10:08am May 08, 07:25pm 0 days 16 hours 3
Syryana May 03, 02:23pm May 08, 08:00am 1 day 4 hours 2
Majiffy May 05, 06:03am May 05, 09:03am 4 days 3 hours 2
Seanald May 03, 02:08pm May 08, 08:21pm 0 days 16 hours 2
Malakittens May 07, 10:30pm May 07, 10:30pm 1 day 13 hours 1

For reference so I can remember this later.

Red Ryu · Post Post #865 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:25 am

Seanald for #1 vig pick.

Bulbazak · Post Post #866 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:30 am

In post 858, Oversoul wrote: Tangent, what do you think of Eddie intervening and answering the question for me?

It's very frustrating, as I was asking that question for a specific reason, and him answering the question tainted any results I might obtain. The question was not as "open and shut" as he tried to paint it, and now I'm left to pick up the pieces, as I cannot trust the reaction I have gotten from you. He did the same thing with my question to Cephrir earlier in the game. By doing this, he is giving the other person a pass to either not answer or to copy his answer. It ruins any potential reads I might get. Not sure if I'd call his actions scummy, but it's definitely anti-town at this point.

Regarding your "gambit", why did you choose "roles" specifically?

And for the inevitable Bacde push: I currently have a null read on Nacho, and none of the reasons currently being given for him being scum are legit reasons for voting him.

Slandaar · Post Post #867 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:32 am

In post 859, Bacde wrote:Eddie and Slandaar and Oversoul seriously wtf?

I'm trying to move this game in a direction and you three are being deliberately anti-town by not even responding to my strong assertion I made just 4 posts ago

I asked him a question I am waiting for an answer.

Seanald · Post Post #868 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:33 am

I'll vig your prick, and im still catching up. I don't have alot of time due to work so im a little over half way through right now.

Someone ask me something to get my dick juices in the game.

Slandaar · Post Post #869 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:34 am

You scum?

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #870 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:35 am

Oh what the fuck is 864. Next time put it in a note pad, wtffff.

___

Slandaar you know I don't like that..

Why are we town exactly?

~ Mala

Predit:

LOL. Someone says have Seanald as a vig pick and he appears.

Seanald : what do you think about Redryu in junction with being passive to the bulb/hd-OM argument. Also what do you think about Nero and his 3/4 vote thing regarding us?

Seanald · Post Post #871 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:37 am

In post 870, Amethyst Kitty wrote:LOL. Someone says have Seanald as a vig pick and he appears.

because im here trying to catch up in the game. So by your opinion anyone who mentions Vigging me I should just lurk that shit out right?

Seanald · Post Post #872 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:39 am

In post 870, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Redryu in junction with being passive to the bulb/hd-OM argument

not sure I understand this question, wasn't everyone being passive because their arguement was annoying as hell and everyone just told them to shut up? or has this arguement been going on since pages 20-29 cuz I havn't read the 20's yet.

Red Ryu · Post Post #873 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:39 am

Om is leaning town, he has interest for town to move in the right way. Is looking for direct intent.
Bacde is most likely town. Goofy but town.
Oversoul town if role is legit
Thor still dumbtown.
CrashTextDummi leaning scum, he is caught up with Oversoul the same reason why Nacho is scum. The one difference is how mechanical and simple he is taking his reads like his post #770.
Nacho has been tunneling a read and shown he has never tried to read into intent, he has shown he wants a lynch.

If you aren't listed I don't have a read/I forgot what it was. so null until they gain my interest. Or I just didn't read it, forgot how a 20+ man game was like.

Red Ryu · Post Post #874 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2013 7:40 am

In post 868, Seanald wrote:I'll vig your prick, and im still catching up. I don't have alot of time due to work so im a little over half way through right now.

Someone ask me something to get my dick juices in the game.

Hi, you posted now.

What reads you have, even simple or leaning ones?