NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Amethyst Kitty]

Confirm

Slipping already Jiffy? The game hasn't even started, shame on you.

[Amethyst Kitty]

It's purple, not pink!! though I do agree in that it's adorable, Mala picked it out :3

and I'm only going to get more, the more time I spend on MS Jiffy, and it's not creepy it's cute. I love how you know it's me though

[Amethyst Kitty]

Awe Mollie, don't be like that. We both love you, besides you're in this game with Jiffy. Mala had a great idea last night and I think you should talk to her about it

Pedit: lawl

[Amethyst Kitty]

Jiffy, you are such a dude.

Hey dere Fuzzy, Nacho

[Amethyst Kitty]

Flow Chart~~

VOTE: Oversoul

[Amethyst Kitty]

Yeah I brought us a legion of sheep.

I'd sheep Thor over you anyday Jiffy <3

[Amethyst Kitty]

Yeah I brought us a legion of sheep.

I'd sheep Thor over you anyday Jiffy <3

You evil, unfeeling

bitch

.

There's the reaction I was looking for

at any rate, I've done my quota of sheeping today so

UNVOTE:

though I do admit that I can see the reason behind the Cephir vote what I don't get though, is the Thor wagon.

Oversoul's reaction does look like forced nonchalance, though I don't necessarily think he's scum yet.

ROFL, why is Cephir town? I don't see it either, also why is Mollie/Jiffy scum?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie, why is roflcopter town? I read him as probable scum.

also, I'm getting the feeling that the other Hydra and Thor are both town which makes me feel good.

Since you're here Jiffy, thoughts on Ryu?

Mala is catching up

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fuzzy!!!

do you not think Cephrir is likely scum?

you could tell me what you think of Ryu as well

[Amethyst Kitty]

Well, well, well.. Aren't we all just a bunch of fluffy furry energy running around here.

I remember playing with Jiffy twice. Once I read him as scummy when he was town and the second one I knew he was town so I didn't have a problem reading him.

I need to see more of Thor's play to be honest.

Rofl's replacing out was weird and I'm not sure what to make of it yet. The kid is always scummy to me. :\

Don't worry;

Mara and I will dance with 'Jiffy and Mollie and get a pure accurate read on them ;D

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nope, but come at me bro.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fuzzy, the fuck are you doing? :T

Mollie, don't you be dodging my questions girlie, why do you have Copter as town? we both have a scum lean on him. You could also answer the question I gave to Jiffy if you want

I have Red as null,I had him leaning town for his gambit earlier but I think he's being a tad hypocritical in regards to Thor. He criticizes Thor for failing a reaction test, when his test obviously failed as well. He calls Thor dumb town, though really I think he is Dumber then he is, or he is scum who is doing what he accuses Thor of doing.

We will dance with the other Hydra Later when I start getting unsure feelings about them, but right now I feel comfortable with leaving them somewhat alone, especially with better targets to go after

[Amethyst Kitty]

Hmm...

well said fuzzy, well said

and we haven't Hydra failed yet because we are way to awesome to do such a thing

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm sad that in the first game I'm playing with Majiffy, he's in a hydra. Also, who is this third hydra everyone is talking about? I only counted 2.

There's only two hydras. Ours and the beast/beauty. Although, males will be males; he wants a foursome.

Mollie won't dance tango with me and I'm sad.

Who said something about a third Hydra?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Don't have time, I'll be back Tuesday and maybe Wednesday for some of you guys

-Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I couldn't remember the password for this account. Which means I need to talk to Mara about changing it.

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I don't like the idea of mass claiming. I rather not at least not on Day1.

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Heh, Nacho could be scum for giving a summary of a thread

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Uh, DlG, when Mara gets back.. You will have an answer to 199 as we have some unsure people that we want to poke at.
Although, the first one was a joke. I'm not sure why you are taking it seriously.
___

The Mollie/Jiffy might be town. Mollie part feels town to me at the moment.

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I'm not sure what to make of AA9 well the wagon on OS is fast and might be a QL. It's just off because I don't feel as if she's looking for scum.

AA who's your biggest scum read and your biggest town read?

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How does OM/HD's high activity make him town? I would think scum would want to blend in and be active rather then lurk and gain attention on them. Activity isn't indicative of an alignment.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I don't like the idea of mass claiming. I rather not at least not on Day1.

Why not?

HD, Mollie is town, so you'll have to put up with Majiffy.

I, personally, feel that a massclaim D1 is in more favor of the scum. We don't know what PRs the town has.. Maybe the PRs are better left hidden rather then straight up claiming.

I also feel that random NKs give off more information to use as a tool against scum then NKs that are brought on thanks to a massclaim.

[Amethyst Kitty]

So 'Jiffy.. Why aren't you calling us scum anymore? You were before in pre game, what changed?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Oh Mastin..

You evil, evil mod. Did you really put a post restriction or some type of post modifier on Nero.

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@Fenix:

So what did you learn after catching up? Because voting him without giving reasons or thoughts is quite - well scummy as hell.
Then you call out Nero for doing the same thing. >.>

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@B&B:

Mollie answer my question or else I will have to go extreme measures. (You do not want this)

____

I'm not liking this whole; "If I'm correct then Nero was silenced."

The whole PR or even fishing for information is scummy as hell.

So

FoS: Cephir.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nero, please stop pretending to have a PR in a normal game.

This is a normal game?!?

lol wtf my reason for voting fenix is destroyed

Might not be.

If Nero has some type of post modifier (i saw it once in a game I was looking at) they are given a certain number of posts to post out of 'restriction area'.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nero, please stop pretending to have a PR in a normal game.

This is a normal game?!?

lol wtf my reason for voting fenix is destroyed

Might not be.

If Nero has some type of post modifier (i saw it once in a game I was looking at) they are given a certain number of posts to post out of 'restriction area'.

so if nero is scum you are providing him an out

got it.

Or it's because I may have saw something similar tothis before. Why do you fucking jump to the worse conclusion without thinking of everything as a whole. You are so quick to jump on "scum Nero", but you haven't yet voted him.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm not fishing for anything. You can't have PRs in normal games. They aren't normal.

Well, cute your little abbreviation made me think something else. I read PR as Power Role and not Post Restriction.

Now we know he started to post words. So, yeah, now I'm aware it's not a post restriction.

____

@Mollie:

I don't think you did. Why did you think I was scum?

We haven't sheeped anything. Mara hasn't been online for me to talk to her and I don't want to vote without talking to her first.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I don't see how a silencer without the ability to do anything is helpful at all. If they can't vote or post or do anything people are going to believe they are going to be replaced or lynch an useless slot. >.>

I can probably tell you that B&B is likely town. There's two hydra heads and I play one more then the other, but the one I been playing with has been dropping the town tells I know her too. The second head has not dropped any tells that link to him being scum. I'm 98% sure they are town.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Spoiler:

^ scum

Since you're here Jiffy, thoughts on Ryu?

dunnolol

I believe your other head is Mollie, correct?

...

Bulb, I've learned to kind of ignore Jiffy anyway. It'll become obvious if he's scum sooner or later.

Yes

You mean "when he's still alive at LYLO"?

I agree, but do you think they were trying to do this.

Yes. As evinced by the fact that I voted them and have been saying "they are doing this!"

Surprised Majiffy has only the one hydra fail.

I'm really trying this time.

I'll be in here when the game ACTUALLY starts.

Don't make me think bad thoughts of you, Nacho. Please don't do that.


{Cephrir, AK, Fuzzy}
Scumbutts.

Lynching a hydra only makes it tastier.

Leaving you to Mollie since that was mostly based off her read on you. I think she's reading you as town now, or at least nullish town.

This ^

I send this to Mollie.

Spoiler:

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fuzzy looks town as of right now. I could be wrong, but I'm not going to argue with a gut feel.

When Fuzzy is scum he tries to do pro-town things to look pro-town, but when he's town he doesn't really give a shit how his posts look.

Well;

You have to keep in mind I have a gut town feel on him. So of course I wouldn't vote or even FoS due to that. Ceph was looking like he was trying to fish so I called him out on it.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I already went over it in prior posts. I did happen to mistake 'PR' for Power Role and not Post Restriction.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Oh Mollie, Mollie.

I have not played against a scum-Fuzzy, but so far played against a town-Fuzzy. He's showing town-Fuzzy similarities.
I can't really say where the meta part is coming from, but I'm indirectly pointing to where. Just think outside the line.

You still haven't answered why you thought I was scum and then I apparently changed from that read to a somewhat town read. >.>

____

Me missing the joke is probably attributable to tone deafness on my part. I'm not part of the clique, so the inside jokes may go over my head.

I'm still curious about how you can needle at the pirate mollie head of BeautyAndTheBeast for ignoring your question, and at the same time declare you intend to leave BeautyAndTheBeast alone in lieu of better targets.

I pretty much agree with you on BeautyAndTheBeast being likely Town, and agree with your assessment of ArcAngel9. Hey, since I'm Town, and we agree, you must be Town, too. Just ask Beast.

Do you have enough experience playing with ArcAngel9 to say whether this is unusual play for her? Because, I sense she's more part of the group of players familiar to each other. I'd like to know if you think she's just coming across as scummy as a natural part of her playstyle/personality.

Likely. I understand that - it's why I pointed it out. If it helps I'm not really part of that because that's Mara/Jiffy's side rather then our inside joke.

I'm allowed to poke at the Mollie part of the hydra. She's the (easiest) for me to read over 'Jiffy and I'm trying to make sure she's not going to skate by if she's actually scum. Yes, she's ignoring my question and I'm going to keep poking her 'til an answer appears.
Why is looking for scum reads and going after them while gently poking at another player scummy? It's scum hunting and it's actually what I do in terms of that. Sometimes - I will go after one person non-stop, but there has to be a huge gut ping ++ a really scummy action on their part to make me go after one person.

I have actually only played two games with her and both she was town in. The first was her first scum on the actual site and I read her as scummy and she turned out to be a PR. The second game she used toooo much ATE/Agression + replaced out and I hammered her and lost the game because she looked superrrr scummy in play. I have modded another town game of her's and she looked really scummy there. So I'm starting to see a pattern when I read her as scum - she's likely town, but I want to see more of her play until I come to a straight up conclusion. I want content out of her I know she can produce and for her to flesh out her thoughts.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I haven't had time to scope read it. I have to go back to studying for my final. I'll give my thoughts possibly when I get home tonight.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Who posted 526?

~Mala.

Mara is currently on V/LA. I been doing the posting since she declared it.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nero Cain is probably town.

Cool. Like to explain why?

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

For those wondering why we aren't voting.. We are a two person hydra. I want to wait for Mara's input before casting a vote. If you guys can respect that - it would be greatly appreciated. If it helps I am giving out my current personal reads so you can see where I stand, but they aren't unified reads. Be patient and the vote will be coming.

~ Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

That's preemptively cautious :/

Or it's how a team works.

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Spoiler:

Nero, please stop pretending to have a PR in a normal game.

This is a normal game?!?

-snip-

So by my count, in this post, you've declared 3 scumreads, one of which is "scummy as hell", another of which deserves an FoS. Where's your vote?

Majiffy's "oh you must not think highly of him then!" is a somewhat-subtle "yes thor is awesome go fuck yourself"

Om's recent posts are hilarious, because they either mean that they are not familiar with Majiffy's meta at all, or that they are scum trying to push for an early mislynch on a player that tends to look anti-town. The buddying accusation is my favorite, as Majiffy doesn't buddy up to anyone, except for Majiffy. I suggest watching this wagon closely, as I can see scum pushing it hard.

So are you calling me scum or backhandedly discrediting me?

Leaning scum, because I don't think you're that stupid.

Yes because calling someone out on doing something scummy is definitely stupid and scummy.
Mmm hmm.

It was a response to this.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm back, Catching up now though I have to say that Nacho should be glad that Mala answered the Mass-claiming question for us because my answer was going to be

far

more abrasive then Mala's response. The faq were you thinking Nacho?

[Amethyst Kitty]

@Mollie -

How so?

Both Mara and I just questioned it on skype.

Spoiler: <<< Mod-edited-votecount >>>

Nachomamma8 - 4 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, BeautyAndTheBeast)

Oversoul - 3 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Bulbazak)

BeautyAndTheBeast - 3 (Om the Destroyer, Cephrir, EddieFenix)
Red Ryu - 2 (Oversoul, Thor665)
Cephrir - 1 (fuzzybutternut)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)

Not Voting - 10 (Mac, Syryana, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, Amethyst Kitty, ArcAngel9)

[Amethyst Kitty]

DLC:

Erm... That Jiffy has a heart? That was mainly a joke, I don't know why you took it seriously, it wasn't meant to be taken seriously

as for the second part to your question, I had Mollie and Jiffy both leaning town and as I skimmed, they only got stronger. However, Me having town read them doesn't mean I like being ignored. off the top of my head, some better targets would be Nacho, Ryo, and bacde/rofl copter.

Nacho is a read we both share, neither of us like the mass-claim and neither of us like his push on OS who we both think is probably town. On that sentiment, we also don't like Crash, or at least I don't though I am unsure of his alignment. His suggestion to mass-claim seems genuine IMO and Nacho has done far more scummier stuff other then the mass-claim anyway

I also had Cephrir as a personal scum-read, I don't really remember why though I'll find the reason later.

Heh, Nacho could be scum for giving a summary of a thread

<3 Unfortunately, I don't have stats for this yet, but on the other side there are so many more scummy things Nacho has done so my scum read on him has to do with more then just this. This is a legit point though, I don't know why Mala got ignored for this. Maybe cause it's right?

Oh, did I talk about Ryu's terrible gambit and hypocritical stance on Thor? I think I did...


Ehhh... Page 19, still reading up

VOTE: Nacho

Mollie, why do you want Thor?

[Amethyst Kitty]

625 was Mala. 626 was Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Wait a sec... did HD really call our Hydra out for not voting?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Probably due to us. Idk.

*Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*

Fucking kidding right? Chat told me I was in the hydra.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm going to bet Mollie and Jiffy are fighting on who their vote should be on

though I have quite a fair amount of reason for Nacho-scum, and it's one of the reads we strongly agree on so... Vote goes there

[Amethyst Kitty]

-Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Hey Nacho, thoughts on Cehprir?

-Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

HD, like to give a reason why we are possible scum? You too Nero.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie, Mollie, we are still here. We havn't left you, we never will

and I'm inclined to believe that Bulb is hard-core buddying many people us included... I'm not sure why though

and HD, just because Mala didn't express a Nacho scum read in the game, doesn't mean she doesn't have it. I would show you proof if I was allowed to

and what I don't get is why you got on her case for not voting whilst voicing suspicion on people. You know my Meta when it comes to voting, as does she, and I am part of this Hydra so I think it could have been fair to assume that she wanted to see if I was ok with w/e vote was being placed.

What's bad with my jump on Nacho? What about it don't you like?

We have a few scum reads that we share and Nacho is one of them, some of the others I will with-hold until I get an answer from Nacho

we both have OS as glaringly obvious town though, and we are both leaning town on the Disney Hydra

-Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Well, that was the time I had just returned from V/LA and as for the disconnect, it isn't there. I had asked her in skype if we could vote Nacho and she agreed.

You also don't answer why you questioned Mala's not voting when you know that

my

Meta demands that I don't vote anyone unless I am certain that said person is scum and when I am a part of this Hydra

we could just as easily Vote another scum read we share but I like Nacho's wagon better

-Mara

Pedit: we are not using that excuse Nero, and it's the 4th vote out of 13 votes needed. I hardly call it a forming wagon at this stage

[Amethyst Kitty]

His suggestion to mass-claim seems genuine IMO and Nacho has done far more scummier stuff other then the mass-claim anyway

It's alignment neutral.

CTD did it in the recently finished invitational NY game as scum traitor. However, he did do much more in my opinion here to try and get mass claim to occur than in that game.

Are you following that thread in MD stating that Nacho's summary is a scumtell?

Following it? I made that thread. why? what's the reason for you posting this, I'm obviously aware of the tell otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up and neither would have Mala. I also wouldn't have brought up stats if I didn't know about it...

-Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

OS, I'm planning to browse through games of Nacho to see if he does these summary things more often as scum or town. I thought my little post would have gotten more attention when I said it, but it didn't so it through off alarm bells.

@Syr:

I got a question for you. You say this "Def lynching AA too #239 and #246 AND #252, I'm not reading her posts anymore"
Although, you have her listed as 'null' why is that? Also never say I want to lynch blank and blank, but I'm going to not read her posts. You are in confirmation bias area and I don't like it.

FoS for that.

@Bacade:

Hush about your confirmed town nonsense. You aren't confirmed town. If you want people to read you as town then play like it.

@HD:

Buddy Nero moar please.

@Bacade:

I want them to explain their weak scum read on us. Do you have a problem with me wanting that?

@HD/OM:

Just because it's not mentioned in the thread doesn't mean it's there and I have it for several reasons, but there are some I can't even discuss currently.

@Angel:

Syr actually did somewhat try to contribute. I'm surprised you didn't catch that.

(Side note: I do believe Nacho is scum. My gut was pinging, but I needed to wait for Mara to discuss it with her)

I was in this game that Slandaar is talking about in this post.
(Only problem I currently have with this post of Slandaar is that - he's possibly going to let someone who could be potentially slide with the argument why would he do this? Which boils down to the argument: "obv scum being too obv."
He's being wishywashy and I don't actually like that coming from Slandaar.

@Nero/Mollie: Both of you be nice to each other. Be civil.

So Mollie is having issues with me abandoning her.

@HD/OM:

I don't see how Bulba misrepped me.

#428 is an inside joke. Not many people will get it, but I tease Mollie a lot when I'm drunk. Plain and simple - it wasn't indicative of an alignment. Plus I'm reading Mollie/Jiffy as town and that's written in other posts of mine.

Now you are misrepping us in post 730.
It's mainly due to this "My other point was that you were going for the whole "Oh we're waiting for the other head's consent to vote" but then you voted with what seemed to be a lack of consent from Mala. This is a disconnect."

I showed exactly why I was waiting before casting a vote. You asked me that and I answered. Mara and I want to play as a team and not two indi heads moving our vote around.

Please read this post of mine.
It was clearly obvious we both were on skype and we both were in the thread. How is that a lack of consent from me?

@Nero:

4/13 - I don't see it as a huge wagon. You are flipping out over stupid shit. You are trying to sling mud yet you don't call out Bacade for his 5th vote ON Nacho?

@Fuzzy:

Other than sheeping. Please read and please contribute.

(LOLOL. Mara took the words right out of my mouth.)

(I'm also wanting to bash my head into a wall seeing all these "Shut up and lynch so and so." or "Moar votes on so and so." Stop shoving it down the throats. Make a clear chorent case or stop tunneling and look fucking elsewhere.)

*sigh*

Starting to warm up to the idea Bulb/OM/HD is a T v T argument.

@RedRyu:

Thoughts on other happenings? You are starting to making me question my vote on Nacho. You are sitting back and allowing Bulb/OM/HD to tear each other apart along with other conversations with other players - yet you aren't making an effort to actually comment on shit.

(Mollie has a point about Nero's post)

@HD/OM:

Just because I question someone doesn't mean I think they are scum. I could be wanting people to flesh out their answers or prior reads.

@CTD:

Are you seriously basing your scum/town reads based off of reactions to your massclaiming suggestion?
Also can you walk me through your process on "reacting passionately" is?
I believe I reacted passionately to it, but hey to each their own.


~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Hey Nacho, thoughts on Cehprir?

-Mara

Nachooooo

I see you

I would also like your thoughts on DLG and Ryu

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mala says that Mollie caught something interesting that I had personally over looked. I do agree with her in that, it's a good point and it has to do with the entire Indie battle you had with her

Nacho, thoughts on Ryu and DLG?

My read on you is a tad bit more then that and I'm watching things closely though Mala's wall expresses my opinion on a fair amount of things fairly well

-Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Slandaar if you could comment on section I said towards you - I'd greatly appreciate it.

@Nero -

I don't see how our vote is different from Bacade's. yes, he was the first vote on the Nacho wagon, but he didn't even give a reason for it. It just honestly looked like a random jump. He also keeps saying he'll give reasons for it, but actually hasn't.
I want to comment that he forgot his vote was on Nacho and revoted posts later. (I caught scum once before in a game because they forgot their vote was on a certain player, but I haven't yet decided if this is a real 'scum' tell)

So basically you are defending Bacade's vote on Nacho, but mudslinging at us.

Also can I ask you.. Your 3/4 vote on a wagon is for what size game? Meaning how many players and how accurate is it? I think you are just trying to find any reason to say we are scum and to see what sticks.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Grrr!

I forgot to sign it.

This and the above post is..

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Also Nero..

You state that the 3rd or 4th vote on wagon is usually scum. You tryin to indirectly state you are scum? You were the 3rd vote on two wagons so far.

~ Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Oh what the fuck is 864. Next time put it in a note pad, wtffff.

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Slandaar you know I don't like that..

Why are we town exactly?

~ Mala

Predit:

LOL. Someone says have Seanald as a vig pick and he appears.

Seanald : what do you think about Redryu in junction with being passive to the bulb/hd-OM argument. Also what do you think about Nero and his 3/4 vote thing regarding us?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Redryu in junction with being passive to the bulb/hd-OM argument

not sure I understand this question, wasn't everyone being passive because their arguement was annoying as hell and everyone just told them to shut up? or has this arguement been going on since pages 20-29 cuz I havn't read the 20's yet.

It's currently in 30 page area. Ill just wait until you finish catching up.

Any gut feels of reads or anything.

And no, don't you dare lurk.

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.

Cop this guy.

No fucking no.

Do not ever try and direct night actions.

Let the person who has the role do what they feel is right.

Plus

we don't

know if there's even a damn cop in the setup.

Shut up.

___

Nero:

How, theoretically speaking, are we Nacho's partner? That's if Nacho

flips

scum..

Also answer my damn question.

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

No.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Dear Nero,

Get original material.
Or I'll report you for plagiarizing Slandaar's post without putting credit where credit is due.
Although, Slandaar had opposite.

Love,
Mala

______

Uhhuh. You are just looking at any way to credit for a possible jump to us if the wagon manages to get started.

[Amethyst Kitty]

we both have him null-leaning town mollie. The battle with HD/OM Hydra looks TvT

-Mara

Spoiler: <<< Mod-edited votecount >>>

Nachomamma8 - 5 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast)

Red Ryu - 4 (Oversoul, Thor665, Baby Spice, Mac)

Bulbazak - 3 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut, EddieFenix)
Oversoul - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 1 (Cephrir)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Om the Destroyer - 1 (Bulbazak)
DLG - 1 (Desperado)

Not Voting - 6 (Syryana, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

[Amethyst Kitty]

Please show me a game where directing cop actions were beneficial? I don't think directing any type of investigation or protective roles are helpful because we don't know your alignment so we wouldn't know if you are scum trying to point us away from your buddies or you are scum directly fishing for information.

It's a bad idea. Knock it off.

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Hey, moron, go look at my early posted reads around that time and look at who was actively involved in which side of the mass claim arguments.

I realize that abrasiveness is en vogue these days, but I personally do not appreciate being called a moron.

My heart goes out to you and your family in this trying time.

Does this include scum being the initial voice for the idea? Because if so, look at Aunt Jemina in YCBA Probably at least one other scum on that team also supported the idea.

No, it doesn't. I have never seen scum support massclaim when I've suggested it as town. We've already established that scum are capable of suggesting massclaim.

So how can I know that your "reaction test" wasn't just a failed scum gambit that you're now trying to play off in a town way? Your reads certainly sucked and lacked a level of depth, and you've cleverly avoided commenting on something like half the game.

41 pages already..?
i am less then two days behind and i have hell to catch up again!!!!
Slow down ladies...

ok AA9 is scum too guys plz lynch this

after we lynch scum nacho and then I get NKed for being too awesome

I loathe, loathe &

LOATHE

the bolded.

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Actually not the nacho part. The whole "I'm going to get NK'd for being too awesome"

~Mala

(Also guys stop complaining about the reading pages. It's your own fault you aren't caught up. Don't complain and make others listen to your suffering.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Bacde, I'm hesitant to move you to my town pile this game. You have been playing like your town-self, though but there's something else there. Should Nacho flip scum though, it'll probably be enough to comfortably call you town

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

If you were at all paying attention. Mara and I are using Skype to communicate.

@Mollie:

I know Bacade is a town read for you. I just get paranoid when someone makes the whole NK comment. The only ever time I'm okay with it is when someone replaces in the night and haven't read the thread because they were afaird of being killed.

I have to talk to Mara before giving out reads, tbh.

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'll leave those answer's to Mala, Thor but I also have a strong townread on the Disney Hydra slot so I don't know how you are coming up with them being likely to flip scum. I also don't know how you came to the conclusion that they are going to flip anytime soon.


Bacde, no but I love how you posture that OMGUS

OS, I didn't comment on your Gambit because I thought it wasn't helpful. I though it was an obvious fake-claim and that it was obvious that you were looking for how people would react, one of the reasons why I believe Nacho to be scum is because of how he reacted.

I am also not following you on CTD Jiffy, though I might follow you guys tomorrow on Cephrir if Mala allows it. I have him as one of my stronger scum reads

[Amethyst Kitty]

~Mara

Fuck signing

[Amethyst Kitty]

Cuz

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

...

Bacde, I was joking about the OMGUS thing... The tongue smiley should have made that obvious

and no, it's because we don't have to answer something when it's bound to become a distractions VIA set-up analysis. I don't want to go down the road of set-up analysis.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Red or Ceph are the first two that come to mind.

This isn't looking like town you Nero, but the town you I have seen recently is probably not typical (and ongoing), so you maybe.

AA maybe because she usually makes a better effort at catching up when she falls behind like this, but that's a real maybe at this stage.

Bacde and Oversoul as well.
Not liking Oversoul's gambits or Tomato's push on Nacho based off of it.
An element of "I do this as town, I did it, ergo I'm town"

Um, what? AA as in ArcAngel or AA as in us?

___

@Thor:

The whole thing with Fuzzy is that Mollie and I were meta'ing him for a recent finished game off our hydra. I don't think she'd lie to me about meta reads on a hydra so I'm applying that to here.

Also, Mollie, likes to randomly post her 'FoS or FoI' when she has a read. It's more of a random nature - plus she's working with her town reads which is something that comes from town-Mollie rather then scum-Mollie.

~ Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Probably my last post for tonight. I'm tired.

rawr.

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Um, what? AA as in ArcAngel or AA as in us?

I wasn't under the impression that you were behind.

I was since I didn't get to today's reading, but all caught up now. Thanks for the clarification though.

~Mala (really going to bed now)

[Amethyst Kitty]

Spoiler:

in other news I am not sure what to make of bulb's mancrush on majiffy I mean omg

Worried you might be replaced?

nah. majiffy values his body parts too much

so you are chick huh

why are you hardcore buddying us? cos that is what you are doing and while majiffy will be flattered, I am not impressed. you seem to "have meta" on majiffy when you have stated that you have never played with him before.

@ slandaar - why are you staying away from us?

@ arc - that isn't quite what I mean by indies but yeah, people will sometimes read as indie cos they have their own agenda

@ everyone - also I thought red ryu was someone else cos he is using tr jargon but I think he just picked it up from fery in another game.

@ kitty where are you it is like you have abandoned me I will need years of therapy to recover from this

@ om - do you mean to tell me you really think we are scum.

so what do you think of nacho's list again, om?

ak remind me later that I think you are town at this point when I decide to eat paranoia flakes at 3 am and start going after you

kitty what is your read on bulba

majiffy is like hardcore about cephir being scum. and I mean hardcore

^ @Thor: This is what shows Mollie using her town reads to help her build reads. She's working with us and others and it's what she does as town.

@Bulba:

What? How does 1350 post you quoted make Fuzzy scum?

@B&B: I'll check that on Slandaar when I am finished with school. I just want this shit to be over already v.v

Also how are we in the null section? When Mollie has a town read on us? Does this mean Jiffy does not?

@Nero:

Lay off or back off. Which ever one suits you better. How are we playing dumb? Go on enlighten me please. I'll be awaiting it. Why don't you try explaining to us why you think we are scum. Clearly everyone disagrees and that little argument helps no one.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Town reads, Town reads everywhere... and not a single reasoning attached to them other then Meta of my Partner... I'm a head of this Hydra too gaise

That being said, I'm currently playing catch up but

Bacde, leave Thor alone He is town this game. We both read him as such (I think)

Nero, I gave you that answer because I don't want to go back into set-up speculation. Mollie's point on you being an SK/Indie makes sense but you just pushed it away like it's nothing and called it terrible. Makes me wonder

ZMON, WAI ARE WE TOWN?

Jiffy, it's time to redeem yourself

VOTE: Cephrir

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm down to be lynched tomorrow if you flip town though

If you are town, do you know how stupid this is? You're basically saying you're willing to put town down -4 if you're wrong. Where's the town motivation in that?

Interestinggggg.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Syry's town <3

Happy to state as such

Nacho's most recent posting has caused me to rethink my scum read on him.

I'm happy on Ceph though

[Amethyst Kitty]

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

No, I didn't

but for me, it's more of the fact that he isn't scum-hunting. Active, or Passive. there is some food for thought, but there isn't any analysis in his posts. He's laying out what he thinks, but not stating what it means or how it equates to ones alignment.

He's been stating that Mollie's post are townish, though still maintained suspicion on that slot and, as you stated he is going with the flow.

His list doesn't make much sense either. he placed Nacho at Null town, yet stated that there were a few smaller things in his posts that deserves some FOS merit. He defends nacho while keeping his distance from him which strikes me as incredibly odd.

he is also trying really hard to keep middle ground

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Seanald, thoughts on Cephrir? thoughts on anything really, your presence in this game is minimal and you're easy to forget, which is something I don't like.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

we only have a little over a week and the Nacho wagon took a while to build. Despite the cases being built on him, and despite people calling him out as scum, there are people who are quietly trying to oppose it

Ryu pinged for me earlier too Angel

VOTE: Nacho

[Amethyst Kitty]

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Ryu is a weaker Ping, I would much rather have Cephrir over Ryu and I still have a scum read on Nacho.

V/LA until tuesday

~Mara

<<< Telling me if it's the whole hydra or just your half would be greatly appreciated, but noted all the same. >>>

[Amethyst Kitty]

UNVOTE:

Angel,

Cephrir, Nacho, Ryu, Eddie, and possibly Hanzo are my scum reads. Ceph and Nacho are at the top of my list, though reading through his battle with Desp, and Bacde I'm slowly loosing that thought. He is making really good points on the two of them

Nero and Sladaar might be good to go after

My eyes glazed over Desp, though I am seeing Nacho's point in regards to him

and I'm town-reading

Oversoul, mollie/Jiffy and so is Mala, I'm vaguely town-reading Thor and Syry, Bacde is a decent town read, Om/HD is a town read, as are you, Fuzzy is Mala's town read, I think she still maintains that, you and CTD are decent town reads

and everyone else that I havn't mentioned havn't done anything to place an impression on me of any kind

of all the people who town read us, Zmon is the only one (I think) who had gave a reason to why so he might be town

Syry, I'm wary of deadline being a week away because of the fact that this is a large game and because I have had no lynches happen because people couldn't come to a consensus to who we should vote. With no lynches, we don't have a chance of getting scum.

Yes, It is just my half though plans have been canceled so I will be here least till sunday

[Amethyst Kitty]

I had a scum-read on Nacho because his push on OS wasn't a push I could really see coming from town. It looked entirely opportunistic, and his posting was all over the place, his mindset behind his opinions were a little hard to follow. I wasn't fond of his catch up in the slightest until he started making his case against Desperado and his defense of Disney Hydra looks similar to how he was defending a town read in a game where he flipped town.

Oversoul has been, and still is, a town-read but Nacho's waffle on him is strange.

~Mara, same for the above

[Amethyst Kitty]

AK has been waffling hard as fuck the whole game and posts like the most recent one where she starts doubting a townread because I was waffling on my push on them even though the initial push on them was the reason she thought I was scum.

huh?

you talking about OS, because I'm not waffling on him...


I'll think about Thor, the last Time I had figured him town and had to try and get him to back down from a 1v1 with an obv town read, he was scum though I'm not sure if I would have to do that with townThor.

I don't like KK bringing up a reason for voting OS when that reason is what got him a whole lot of pressure to be built onto him in the first place. feels like he's looking to bring the pressure back onto town with old reasons rather than new ones.

Desperado trying to back down from a loosing battle? His most recent posting doesn't look. His reaction to nacho is strange

Will talk to Mala, though I'd be fine with voting Cephrir, KK, Desp, and Ryu, possibly Thor and Nacho

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Reasons are stated in the above post...

Recently, I have noticed that I'm always willing to town-read you regardless of your alignment so I probably have to be a bit more conscientious when I'm reading you. Your battle with Disney Hydra is giving me strange memories of your battle with fege

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Ill be catching up more tomorrow as I have time to kill.

To answer/ask a few things that I do remember seeing while briefly skimming.

Syr why is our hop now suspect when we have been on about Nacho being scum for a while? We were vote#4 on the ori wagon. I find it odd that you're now calling us out for it even though its not something new that we have done.

___

I have an issue against any type of action direct regardless of what action type it may be. I just don't like it as scum can try and use it to their advantage such as they say "cop investigate player x" player x is mafia and lynched then the original player who suggested it could slide free while being the partner and win off that.

So I am paranoid that any action directs could be a play for cred which to me is scummy.

The only time I'm okay with something like this is close to endgame and town have a solid block of trust on players. I will admit there has only been one game where I followed the plan to block someone to save them from a NK. Then in returned followed the plan the following night and ended up getting myself killed when I could have blocked the kill on me since my biggest scum read all game was scum.

So in addition to cred I feel sometimes following plans aren't the smartest thing to do. That's my view on it, but you don't have to agree and I'm not asking you to agree.

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

Blah for Mara being V/LA.

UNVOTE: Nacho

I still need to read up.

There's a recent post by Arc that's coming off really townish and it's giving me a flashback from a micro game. I'm thinking Arc may be town.

~Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

and when I'm here... Mala isn't, lovely :T

Nacho, where was my town waffle and where did I connect that town-read to your scum-read?

Syr why is our hop now suspect when we have been on about Nacho being scum for a while? We were vote#4 on the ori wagon. I find it odd that you're now calling us out for it even though its not something new that we have done.

You guys haven't had a solid reason for voting me in forever, although I would expect Mara to be engaging me pretty directly if she thought I was scum.

ehhh...

I didn't like your original push on OS, I still don't.

A whole lot of your early game play was more about speculation than it was about actually getting the game going. Your push on OS is different from your push on HD because you didn't vote HD for the PJO claim, though you immediately voted OS for the "useless Claim" which I clearly saw as a gambit to catch scum.

Beyond that, Mala felt something off in your early posts. she stated something along the lines of "it was all over the place" and we both agree that we could trust mollie on her read of you


I'm not seeing where Slandaaar is coming from in regards to Thor, I want clarification there

I kinda want to call the exchance TvT though.

less thrilled with his exchange with mollie/Jiffy on the same page though (76)

Desp is wierd

Desp, you're backing down by moving your vote from Nacho (reasons to why, I still don't fully understand. what of Angel did you see that was scummy) to Angel who, I percieve to be, an easier target to 1v1 with. the fact that you went back to Nacho

after

I called you out for backing down is note-worthy

Bacde, WTF are you doing? Angel is defs not scum, good god.
~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Bacde...

Nacho, where was my town waffle and where did I connect that town-read to your scum-read?

Oversoul has been, and still is, a town-read but Nacho's waffle on him is strange.

Talk about your mindset here more.

???

A whole lot of your early game play was more about speculation than it was about actually getting the game going. Your push on OS is different from your push on HD because you didn't vote HD for the PJO claim, though you immediately voted OS for the "useless Claim" which I clearly saw as a gambit to catch scum.

Beyond that, Mala felt something off in your early posts. she stated something along the lines of "it was all over the place" and we both agree that we could trust mollie on her read of you

Why did it take you so long to mention mollie?

umm...

good question, I'll get back to you on this later... Maybe

I'm not seeing where Slandaaar is coming from in regards to Thor, I want clarification there

I kinda want to call the exchance TvT though.

explain this.

Slands case on Thor looks extremely, extremely genuine like, I can't even fathom how genuine it looks.

Thor's responses look equally genuine, and it seems like he is trying to wrap his head around on what Slands case on him is. His responses hold alot of questions and alot of justifications, but at the same time it looks kinda defensive but I can't differentiate between it being scum-defensiveness or town-defensiveness


I'm unsure of Penguin and I don't think I can jump onto Nacho despite my early suspicion on him so

VOTE: Desp

~Mara

<<< I, uh, *think* that this post merely had an extra "/quote" tag which wasn't needed, so I removed it. If I'm wrong and this is still broken, please tell me. >>>

[Amethyst Kitty]

WTF?

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

tomorrow, we get scum.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I Still kinda like Cephrir for scum, Thor and Ryu scum reads as well, as is Spice I think... KK Maybe?

but these people are town and should be left alone

OS
Mollie/Jiffy (though admittedly I'm shifting there so I'm trusting Mala on this)
Bacde
Syry
Om
Angel
Bulb

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I think Haylen is townish, why are people scum-reading Haylen?

Bacde, I'm waffling more on Nacho. I really don't think he's scum anymore

the last couple pages isn't enough to shake my Desp read... I think. I don't like his reaction to Jiffy in the slightest and it looks like forced? IDK

I like the Desp wagon more than I like the Nacho wagon, and I definitely like it better than the OS wagon, who is so town as fuck it's insane.

Hate that he actually claimed BTW but I think the claim is legit

~Mara

Pedit: Eddie's scum OMG will talk to Mala

[Amethyst Kitty]

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on

Haylen, Please don't replace out

same for KK

and Calm down Jiffy.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Sucess!!!

VOTE: EddieFenix

Mollie/Jiffy, OS, bacde, Syry, Haylen, Bulbie, Join this wagon

DLG was replaced by Thad right? he should join this wagon too

Nacho, Sland, Nero, and Thor can join it too if they want

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Eddie is scummy for stuff outside the OS wagon, like how he suddenly Drops Mollie/Jiffy for Bulb with little reason for dropping the Hydra and with weak reasons to why he believed Bulb to be town. He jumped on Nacho opportunistically, and pushes him with "no real backing" when he called Mollie/Jiffy scum for doing the exact same thing. What's even worse is the fact that so many others had already jumped onto him, he as just going along for the ride. Nacho was also the person that He was chastising Mollie for tagging on I believe.

He also demands reads from several players when he himself isn't open with his reads.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit, instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

WHY IS EVERYONE AVOIDING MY EDDIE CASE.

He makes a far better wagon than OS.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Eddie is scummy for stuff outside the OS wagon, like how he suddenly Drops Mollie/Jiffy for Bulb with little reason for dropping the Hydra and with weak reasons to why he believed Bulb to be town. He jumped on Nacho opportunistically, and pushes him with "no real backing" when he called Mollie/Jiffy scum for doing the exact same thing. What's even worse is the fact that so many others had already jumped onto him, he as just going along for the ride. Nacho was also the person that He was chastising Mollie for tagging on I believe.

He also demands reads from several players when he himself isn't open with his reads.

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit, instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

~Mara

:/

[Amethyst Kitty]

then there's his interactions with OS. He just recently stated that he felt like he couldn't trust OS for doing the gambit, though when OS initially admitted that it was a gambit,

instead of showing distrust he was actually open to what OS might have learned from it

. The only time he has ever shown any negative emotion towards OS and what he's done with his gambit is when OS wagon started picking up. Before then, he didn't really care about him

Also, how in the world is the above even remotely scummy?

Because he paid no attention to him until OS's wagon started to catch up. It looks like he's giving OS crap because everyone else is, but if it really bothered him he would have given him crap about it earlier, when he did it but he didn't.

~Mara

Pedit: ??

[Amethyst Kitty]

It isn't the lack of continuity, it's how he's doing it

He attacks you for calling Nacho scum with no reason behind it

then he suddenly drops you for Bulba and I don't really remember why

then he goes for Nacho, with no real reason to why he thinks he's scum...

He then goes after OS, using reasons stated by everyone else but only after everyone else was already going after him

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

OMG, Bacde no... I think I'm wrong about Nacho though I wouldn't mind you following me onto Eddie

VOTE: Eddie

Going back to where I ended yesterday, Fuck you guys for lynching OS though

Mollie, was it you who said KK was town or was it Jiffy because I want to know why KK is town...

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Town
Nachomamma8

Eddie Fenix

Haylen
CrashTextDummy

Kublai Khan

Null/Town
Amethyst Kitty
Thor665

Null
PeregrineV
ThAdmiral
ArcAngel9
Thezmon221

Null/Scum
Cephrir
Desperado
penguin_alien

Ffullisade

Scum

Om the Destroyer

Slandaar
Nero Cain
Bacde
Seanald

Explain the bolded

[Amethyst Kitty]

And why shouldn't I come after you Eddie?

Haylen is town, those quotes you posted are stupid and falsely implicating. Fuzzy isn't dumb scum, he wouldn't make connections to his buddy so Obv

Hi Ffery
~Mara, same for the above

Pedit: my post, not Bulbs >.>

[Amethyst Kitty]

anyway, explanations Bulb, please?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Hmm... kay, well I have been on the same scum-team as bacde, and played against scum bacde and this is town Bacde. He's less eratic and more controlled as scum, he is also more strategical.

I don't think the 1v1 with him will be productive to finding scum

RE: Thor, I found him to be leaning town early on and becoming nullish during mid-late D1 so I don't really know what to think ATM

~mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'd like to know what pushes look Genuine because I havn't really paid attention to KK and I think he looked pretty bad towards the end of the day yesterday

~mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Okay, fair enough.

I think you'll see that I'm not his buddy when Haylen flips blue though.

This doesn't stop you from flipping red scum

~Mara

What of Khans post did you like Mollie?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I kinda don't think that's the case, you actually worked to try and figure out who could be on the blue team and, from my perspective it looks genuine though I think that it's just as likely that a red mafia would try to find the blue team as it is likely for a townie would try and find who's on the blue team and they would get town cred out of it, and thus has alot more rewards than a regular townie

[Amethyst Kitty]

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

are we seriously Lynching OS? that dude is town as fuck.

If Oversoul flips town. Amethyst Kitty is definite scum. (calling a town flip while doing nothing to prevent it)

Still trying to convince Mala of my read, while I do so I'm going to say that this is a clever way to set-up two mislynches.

first, I did not " do nothing to prevent it" and I have been calling OS town all game. part of my attack on Nacho was because he was choosing such a terrible target to go after early on


~Mara

Thor.

[Amethyst Kitty]

and why is Haylen/Fuzzy scum?

[Amethyst Kitty]

1799 is more anti-town than scum, though Thez might have a point, I feel this is normal fuzzy play

And why shouldn't I come after you Eddie?

Haylen is town, those quotes you posted are stupid and falsely implicating. Fuzzy isn't dumb scum, he wouldn't make connections to his buddy so Obv

Hi Ffery
~Mara, same for the above

Pedit: my post, not Bulbs >.>

My response to 2842

and Thor, was saying that him making that post didn't make him look so good though I finally found time to look through his Iso and I do see quite a bit of honesty behind what he's saying though and he's fairly reactive, but IDK I still feel that there might be something behind it.

His original push on Jiffy was bad, his reaction to be putting him on my scum list (though at that point, all I really said was that I didn't like him) looks odd, and I still really dislike him for his OS Push, and I still think he was trying to set up two mis-lynches when he stated that. He looks town on the surface, he's doing "Pro-town" things but I can't get a handle on his real intention and that worries me

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I am referring to KK

and he honestly didn't even bother with us until I started voicing my suspicions on him

[Amethyst Kitty]

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I guess?

the town thing feels like a mask to me though

and hey, Guess I was but I don't recall you putting any kind of pressure on us at all until I started to "make a case" on you and you also just dug up 6 reads, all of them scum or scummish and I have far more town reads than I do scum reads that I have stated in thread

and Mala likes Seanald for scum, another read so...

UNVOTE:

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

list of shared reads. Mala's idea, not mine

Town

ffullisade (fferylit+pirate mollie) - town
Slandaar
Bulbazak
CrashTextDummie

Lean-town

ArcAngel9 [1] - Null-town
Om the Destroyer (Human Destroyer+Om of the Nom) - leaning town
ThAdmiral
Bacde
Nachomamma8
PeregrineV
thezmon221

null

Thor665
Desperado
penguin_alien
Haylen (Mala thinks Fuzzy is scum, I think haylen is town)
EddieFenix

lean-scum

Kublai Khan
Seanald

Scum

Nero Cain
Cephir

~Mara

Pedit: Haylen <3

[Amethyst Kitty]

Now explain them because that's all I care about.
How the hell did I move up to your top townread?

All of them? cuz that's alot of explaining

and you aren't our top-town read... You're Null-town

I want to call that reaction town-paranoia though you easily faked that in Inheritance.

Tell me which ones you want me to explain, and I'll do it

quite a few of the leans are gut, though I don't really know why Thez is up there, I think that's Mala's...

Thor, I did answer you... that one quote that I re-quoted was my answer, I can't really give a better one than that...

Nero, I have played with town-fuzzy several times. Town Fuzzy is smarter than he appears. if town-fuzzy is smart, it would stand to reason that scum-fuzzy would be just as.

I'm unsure of the Neroscum read, I personally have him as null, that's Mala's read and I'm to lazy to search skype just to find the answer

VOTE: Cephrir

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie is basically saying the same thing as me

Thor is clearly pushing on our slots the most, yet he is voting someone entirely different and then has the audacity to suggest my push on him is slow.

He is scum.

Hmm...

[Amethyst Kitty]

the she feels more passive than usual even though we should've touched bases, we should've been getting scum together by now
her reads are janky as fuck; her reads on me and oversoul were fairly strange and she backed off, jumped on at a WEIRD time

No. Everyone's been calling me out for passiveness lately, especially in my Hydra's Just, no.

I feel like you expect to much of me

What's wrong with my reads?

You said at some point that, you expected me to engage you directly if I thought I was scum and I did. alot of my early posts had to do with my read on you, and me trying to get you to tell me your reads on certain people, and it took a while for me to get an answer, and me trying to get you to talk to me. I started to shy away from that though as my scum-read on you started to decrease

what do you find odd about me Scum-reading you for your attack on OS?

retracting my claws from you for now mara cos it is interesting what is going on between between the boys

Mara's looking townier lately.

and how do you go from this to wanting me dead with nothing about us in between?

I'll work on explaining the reads

Nero, Mala is scum-reading you, and I don't really see reason to oppose it while, with Fuzzy/Haylen we have polarizing reads on that slot.

and yes, I don't want to go back into skype history because it's filled with both Idle chat and information regarding two different games, not to mention the fact that she explained her read on you days, maybe even weeks, ago. You aren't given the same luxury because I don't have an opinion on you while I have a strong opinion on Fuzzy/Haylen. Might be tempted to Hydra-meta read you though after I look through the iso which could potentially put you in our null Pile.

Thor, why Vote Haylen when you were scum-reading us though wasn't exactly sure why She was scum? If you thought we were scum, why didn't your vote come onto us until someone else did so, and why weren't you trying to sell our case, but rather fight with Mollie?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

VOTE: Thez

[Amethyst Kitty]

wait...

UNVOTE:

Eh, everyone's pretty much been babbling about it without giving a lot of reasons since I argued with B&B 115 pages ago.

I'm a really easy and uncontroversial scumread to have. Need someone to pad your scumlist? Why not Cephrir?

Why?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Slad, what's up with the sudden change in reads? You had us as town for the first two days

This feels like town-nero, I'm over-riding Mala's scum read on him

and Nacho is not blue-scum, nothing stopping him from being red-scum though

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm not exactly why Mara had Rena town, but the breadcrumb could have been a potential reason. I believe it because she crumbed the way I would have if I had the role. Also there's the fact scum wouldn't crumb incase they were caught out. It's risky for a fake claim because of an easy counter claim.

I have to agree with Mollie that there's a chance Rena could be on the other scum team, but Mollie there's an easy way to avoid this.. If she lasts almost to LyLo lynch her ass because yes she's likely mafia. That's what kept brining up the red flags on Messiah to me. (I was hoping Nero or Mac - would have pointed that out - but no)

Slandaar -

So because Thor flipped town it gives you the right to 180 your reads without explanation. Your tunneling is unbelievable against Thor D1/2 and reminds me of your scum tunneling on me in GoW.. I forgot how badly you tunneled there until I had to get a link from your ISO.

Nacho -

Explain your vote, kkthxbai.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm not exactly why Mara had Rena town, but the breadcrumb could have been a potential reason

. I believe it because she crumbed the way I would have if I had the role. Also there's the fact scum wouldn't crumb incase they were caught out. It's risky for a fake claim because of an easy counter claim.

I have to agree with Mollie that there's a chance Rena could be on the other scum team, but Mollie there's an easy way to avoid this.. If she lasts almost to LyLo lynch her ass because yes she's likely mafia. That's what kept brining up the red flags on Messiah to me. (I was hoping Nero or Mac - would have pointed that out - but no)

Slandaar -

So because Thor flipped town it gives you the right to 180 your reads without explanation. Your tunneling is unbelievable against Thor D1/2 and reminds me of your scum tunneling on me in GoW.. I forgot how badly you tunneled there until I had to get a link from your ISO.

Nacho -

Explain your vote, kkthxbai.

wrt the bold: wouldn't mara have told you that she saw a breadcrumb cos I would think she would.

also slaandy trolleytracks regardless of alignment, he trolleytracked on me in titanium but he made sense. he did not make sense when he trolleytracked on us in the gears game that is why I thought he was scum. it is a null tell for him

We haven't really been communicating on Skype recently. I think you know why also as I really haven't been on it.

[Amethyst Kitty]

What breadcrumb?

What claim?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Never mind, found it

Yeah, Rena is still town. her crumbs and frustration is legit I think

[Amethyst Kitty]

VOTE: Seanald

I'll sheep

~mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Hey Mollie..

Is Thad acting similar or different then the Open game we currently finished?

[Amethyst Kitty]

I dont think u should shoot nacho.

Nacho, why nero??

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

actually

VOTE: KK

I want this. His justification for Bacde scum looks like a reach and him not following through on the Kitty scum read after the toasty flip leads me to believe that he didn't really didn't really believe in that in the first place which means he probably was, in fact, looking to go after two mislynches.

Thing is, if we were town, based on what he has stated on us yesterday us not posting much should have triggered suspicion on his part. He hasn't even mentioned us at all today. He needs to die.

Toasty flip? WTF are you talking about? You mean Oversoul?

Do you maybe remember that there was a "blue mafia" flip at the start of the next day? Do you think maybe that was a bit of a game-changer? That maybe I had to reconsider things a little?

This game still has so many players that I haven't really conducted any deep-seated analysis. If I see activity from Bacde at the start of Day 3 that makes me want to shine a light on it and question it, then that's what I'll do.

I still find you quite scummy. Same with penguin_alien. I'll pursue the case when I'm good and ready to write it out properly.

tl;dr - Calm yo tits.

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

You really want to go 1 on 1?

Okay. This is the perfect time to do it.

Vote: Amethyst Kitty

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Sure lets lynch AK although not explicitly stating it they have done the same omgus thing with me. Not enough scumreads and I also don't like how Mara said something like 'everyone reading Mala town but im part of this hydra too!' its like she wanted credit for playing scum while looking town.

VOTE: AK

So Slandaar because Thor flipped town it gives you a reason to justify your 180 switch. Are you town because I'm no longer sure you are, but still not enough here to vote you.

No because I know how frustrating it is for someone to read one half of a hydra as town and the other as scum, but they take the meta of the strongest read. If we didn't tell you we were a hydra it would have been a totally different story and you would have been reading us differently during Day 1.

Scumreading AK but I have better ideas.

Unvote, Vote: penguin_alien

Sure side-line your vote and then when the time is right (when the wagon grows higher and higher) you'll vote us.

Not sure what I was thinking here

Unvote
Vote: Amethyst Kitty

This is much better.

Desperado? Are you going to sheep everyone and everything and not do an ounce of scum hunting?

~~~

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Desperado? Are you going to sheep everyone and everything and not do an ounce of scum hunting?

I've been considering your lynch for a while now. I asked Nacho about it yesterday. You're pretty scummy.

So is this reaction. Which I just got from you by placing my vote on you.

How am I not scumhunting again?

You have literally sheeped onto every highest wagon this game day so far.

You went onto Thad, Rena, Nero and us.

You're just jumping. Was Thad, Rena and Nero even scum reads for you prior?

This reaction is Mala catching up from the godawful mess everyone is making.

I solo'd out Mollie for a reason for the Thad read. Regardless of him claiming vig she caught him in the open finished game where 'Mara/Mala/Mollie' hydra'd together. I was reading him different, but wasn't going to stop a wagon to do wagon analysis sometime in the near future. I wanted to see what she would say, tbh.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Scumreading AK but I have better ideas.

Unvote, Vote: penguin_alien

Sure side-line your vote and then when the time is right (when the wagon grows higher and higher) you'll vote us.

I'm putting my vote where I honestly want it, but yeah, I'm probably going to wind up voting you since I didn't get any traction. Is that a problem?Preview: It helps.

One word:

Opportunism.

____

Screw waiting for Mara. I just glanced at Despo's ISO. I see stuff that could be considering distancing from Thez. Along with the fact he's sheeped through this day stage, 180'd other reads and has barely talked to half the other players. Defending Seanald from Bacade. Which I found very odd considering I'm scum reading Seanald.

VOTE: Despo

[Amethyst Kitty]

Desperado? Are you going to sheep everyone and everything and not do an ounce of scum hunting?

I've been considering your lynch for a while now. I asked Nacho about it yesterday. You're pretty scummy.

So is this reaction. Which I just got from you by placing my vote on you.

How am I not scumhunting again?

You have literally sheeped onto every highest wagon this game day so far.

You went onto Thad, Rena, Nero and us.

You're just jumping. Was Thad, Rena and Nero even scum reads for you prior?

This reaction is Mala catching up from the godawful mess everyone is making.

I solo'd out Mollie for a reason for the Thad read. Regardless of him claiming vig she caught him in the open finished game where 'Mara/Mala/Mollie' hydra'd together. I was reading him different, but wasn't going to stop a wagon to do wagon analysis sometime in the near future. I wanted to see what she would say, tbh.

Why are you making judgements on my votes if you don't know the answer to this question?

And you should stop using words like "literally" where they don't belong. I was the first vote on Thad.

You make it sound like I haven't, but I actually did. I just didn't read fully through it.

Why don't you stop deflecting and answer the question?

Nope I won't stop using literally. Don't nitpick my wording #1 pet peeve of mine.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I don't do 1vs1 get over yourself. 1vs1 don't help anyone in my mind and sometimes are used as a scum advantage because it gets everyone so wrapped up in it and people forget to hunt.

Wait, what? You called me scummy and vote for me when there's a wagon on thAdmiral going on. But when that wagon disintegrates and I vote you back, you back off?

No cuz ur still scum. Our slot and penguin would be a better venue to go after than bacde. There is nothing he has done that is even remotely scummy. You need death.

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

How is Bacde both "not remotely scummy"

and

"not fucking obvtown" at the same time?

Note the first two are from Mara and this is Mala speaking.

[Amethyst Kitty]

This whole last page.. Was Mala speaking, not Mara.

Mara has actually been signing her posts and I have not been signing my posts lately.

Again I'm saying this hasn't been Mara speaking so 3797-3798 doesn't hold anything. Also how can you accuse Mara of speaking when I directly said in post 3793 "Screw waiting for Mara"

[Amethyst Kitty]

Bacade stfu. You aren't fucking obv town. So just stfu.

woah thsi is definitely malakittens

why are you so upset with me?

I haven't even said that I'm obvtown for at least 3 pages

Reading it from any player just makes me want to cringe. You are trying to use your "cred" to justify a lynch on a player. Why don't you try and use another method that doesn't involve "Arching your back, making your tail look puffy" to make yourselve look bigger then you really are?

[Amethyst Kitty]

VOTE: Khan

Dont wanna be on despers right now. I'm taking this 1v1 hut i will make a case tomorow, dont have the time to do it today thouh it shouldnt be that hard to figure out why i hink khqn is sum. If he was town, he wouldnt have needed to be goaded into battling one of his top scun reads

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fucking phone...

Really now? And Im not talking about being goaded into voting, I'm talking about being goaded i to taking a stance againt your "top scum read" and actually interaxting with them

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I am at work mollie. Im havnt done anything anyehere tiday and i wont to be able to for a few more hours. I am also always on skype. Please stop being paranoid, ill talk to u soon promise

~mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie STOP.

I was sleeping. I sleep like a cat a lot of hours every freak day. My phone skype doesn't go idle like my computer skype does and I don't have my computer skype on because I'm playing LoL a lot and it lags the shit out of me.

Anyways, I need to call a bank and transfer money and eat and head to work.

So have fun being without me until 10 pm at night. >_>

[Amethyst Kitty]

Lmao.

It's so not. I do it a lot. <.<

I have a huge habit doing it on my other site because that's where I picked it up.. (I think)

[Amethyst Kitty]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=19101

byee

Fery come back soon! I misss youuu

[Amethyst Kitty]

Nero is town via meta. I will explain him with khan

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fery come back soon! I misss youuu

You rang?

Hi.

So how do you currently feel about us, khan, Slandaar & Despo?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Please walk me trough the Despo town read. I'm just not seeing it.

Dear Mara I hate 1v1. Why would you do this shit? <.<

Yes town is town bussing us. *dances*

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie you are being mean to me. I'm not going to talk to when you're accusing me of lurking when I was sleeping.
The fact you're saying I'm going to make empty promises and didn't even give me a freaken chance. Then accuse of me of a relative scum tell which is NOT true.

[Amethyst Kitty]

It's okay Mollie.

You'll learn that this little relative scum tell with >.> is bogus. Just like I had to learn that the relative scum tell I had on Om was no longer valid. Please stop saying I normally do when I write is a scum tell. I used to do it all the time on my other site and its where I picked it up from.

I can skim my only scum game there, but I don't even think I did shifty eyes, tbh.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie, youre being stupid. Stip being stupid.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Wtf. I do not always bread crumb my info from night actions. Sometimes yes - other times no.

Mollie - remember when you wanted us to remind you of us when you're starting to eat paranoid flakes now you can be reminded.

We are town. You are being stubborn. Calm down and listen to me for a minute.

Since when did Slandaar say he was sheeping Thor's read? He didn't.

Mollie honest question please tell me where I was ever okay with a 1v1?

>.> is not a valid relative tell for fuck sakes. I have proved you fucking wrong on it. I do it regardless of alignment because when when I text I will sometimes put >.> at the end.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Seriously now? I wouldn't have killed Thor thank you very much.

<<< Double-post eliminated. >>>

[Amethyst Kitty]

I dont think u should shoot nacho.

Nacho, why nero??

~Mara

I don't like his push on the Rena slot because it's lazy as fuck and scummy. He was attacking fuzzy for "not scumhunting" D1, and now is attacking Haylen for "not scumhunting" on D3. His on-off supicion of me sucks in general (I suspect you because you suspect me and you have no case and you scumslipped), his exchange with Angel about his fake vig power smelled fake from a mile away, and his suspicion of Bacde "this is not like the town Bacde I KNOW" even thought he doesn't really have any experience with him in the first place is just terrible. His backdown from his scumslip on me when Khan questioned him on his thoughts of a me-Bacde partnership smelled fake, as does his reasons shifting from LIAR SCUM to "I'm just paranoid because they suspected me for no reason ".

No, but it is anti-town.

and it is something that Town-Nero does almost all the time.

and if I learned something from Hydra'ing with him, it's his reasons for suspecting people aren't the best and he often thinks that the most anti-town player is scummy.

His play here fits Town-nero play perfectly.

and it also wouldn't be the first time someone made a huge assumption based on very little knowledge of a player

and it is similar to the reason why I was suspecting you.

His push on Rena/Fuzzy is bad, I don't like it as is his push on Bacde but that doesn't make him scum

I thought your push on Oversoul was really bad and I used it as major fuel for my scum-read on you early game.

though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

his other cases are just as shitty

he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

and when I say weak town read I mean very weak as in I am not going to try to stop your lynch cos your khan push is terrible

Exact same thing has been said of my push on Guille in Inheritance and my push on Mac in Poetic. what did they flip Mollie?

also, mollie... Bring it on tell

[Amethyst Kitty]

VOTE: Khan

Dont wanna be on despers right now. I'm taking this 1v1 hut i will make a case tomorow, dont have the time to do it today thouh it shouldnt be that hard to figure out why i hink khqn is sum. If he was town, he wouldnt have needed to be goaded into battling one of his top scun reads

I love this "Khan can't vote multiple people at the same time, therefore scum" argument. I look forward to the rest of your case.

also, that is not what I said. before the day ended, you clearly had us as one of your top reads, and yesterday we battled Thor, so him dying would incriminate us I think

but, instead of furthering your case on us, you drop us and go after the person who actually lynched scum...

~Mara

same for the above post

[Amethyst Kitty]

I have

You, Nacho, Bacde, Nero, Slandaar, CTD, Bulb as town

Desp, Angel, Rena, as weaker town

Khan and Ceph as scum, though Ceph may be out of date

PV as maybe scum

and the rest as Null, mostly due to the fact that there is nothing there that catches my attention.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

No, never mind. Peregrine is town

<<< Double-post deleted. >>>

[Amethyst Kitty]

The whole KK v AK that's all of Mara's. I'm not getting involved.

Despo:

You do realize we are a hydra right? Two heads don't see eye to eye on the same thing. We are fighting over the reads (again). I, Mala, sees you as leaning scum whereas Mara sees you as a weak town read.

I want Mollie to answer my question, but I'll see if that happens.

[Amethyst Kitty]

^ that's just a bad reason Amethyst... even for your hydra

VOTE: amethyst

Really AA.
Lurking and now just toss a vote because I said something you don't like?

Try asking for clarification instead of just jumping on the highest wagon?

What's your thoughts on stuff? I mean you have been doing nothing other then lurking your ass off.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Really AA.
Lurking and now just toss a vote because I said something you don't like?

Why are getting aggressive?
Despite khan's points, I didn't like the way you excused yourself for your misread on Despo, that's a huge scum slip. and anybody can tell you thats just so scummy and you're accusing me for voting you? serioulsy? If i do something would you let it pass? and now you're complaning that i was lurking. so now you tell me.. which is worse.. lurking or scum slip?

How is it a scum slip? We are two different players who don't see eye to eye on the same people.

Mollie was asking Mara FOR her reads not mine. Mara's reads.

[Amethyst Kitty]

You know what. Fuck it.

Mara is going solo. I'm done.

<<< If this is an official request for MS Marangal to replace Amethyst Kitty, please clarify to make it explicit. >>>

Mollie is going off on me for a relative tell that isn't a relative tell and ignoring everything she said prior. She's started to fish at me because I dropped a PR tell during Day 1, but didn't breadcrumb any results. So apparently me not breadcrumbing = me being scummy. She's ignoring anything and everything I might have told her during past games and even on skype.

Not to mention she won't explain the damn Despo town read.

AA is lurking and just jumping on the wagon without fleshing shit out.

Mara is engaging in 1vs1 which I don't want to fucken deal with.

Slandaar does a 180 because thor flipped out. Btw I will probably see another 180 from you during the next day after we flip town.

Despo is likely scum.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Ugh, Thor flipped town, not out.*

[Amethyst Kitty]

AA is lurking and just jumping on the wagon without fleshing shit out.

Mara is engaging in 1vs1 which I don't want to fucken deal with.

Slandaar does a 180 because thor flipped out. Btw I will probably see another 180 from you during the next day after we flip town.

Despo is likely scum.

too bad that your hydra didn't workout...
i would personally like to see DESP lynched too but atm you're scummies that him... Sorry but accusing me as "Lurker" becuz i find you scummy is not going to help you. Becuz i didn't jump into your wagon for nothing. It was obvious and clear..... It would have been worse if i read you as town after your lame excuses which you're continuing to give...

Yes because in all of your 92 posts you didn't call us scum once until the last page. You had us unsure or neutral for a while now.
So please tell me where this scum read just magically popped up?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Yes, I'm seriously asking you.

I'm not making excuses. Not every player agrees on reads. Please though find me a perfect hydra where they agreed on everything and I'll give them the Mala seal of approval.
There is a reason why this game is called mafia because we discuss the difference of reads and to battle that out.

You are using that as a shit assed excuse to just jump on the wagon.

If you think Despo is scum and you want him lynched then go for it. Don't just opportunistly hop onto our wagon just because I made a post you don't like.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Would you hush?

his reasons for suspecting people aren't the best and he often thinks that the most anti-town player is scummy.

Somewhere over in MD Mastin has said two things, that town will always post scummy things and that what's scummy for one player isn't always scummy for another player.

I mean maybe my tells are a lil' dated since site meta seems to have shifted to "I'm going to play scummy regardless, now guess my alignment." Fuck, even OS (and Mastin?) has said he plays a little (I think its more like ALOT) scummy as town.

As for OS, I think I made it clear that he was prob town but that I didn't actually care if he died.

but whatever, I don't give a fuck what you think.

<3 Nero, you know I love you and I'm arguing for why your town and you know it's true.

I am a little surprised AK is still going on with this KK garbage, and Desperado's spoiler title pretty much says it all about that "1v1".

SHUSH, IT HAS TO HAPPEN.

Khan is going to flip scum.

Angel, you do have to admit you're vote is a bit weird. Since when is Hydra dis an actual scum tell? The difference between those two posts are the difference of opinions of the authors.

Mala

does

See Despers as scum, I don't which is why I have been keeping our vote off him every time Mala puts it back on him. I don't want our vote to be sitting on him

Despers, I'm weak reading you as town due to Meta atm. Alot of the things I want to pin you here looks like the things I tagged onto you in pokemon. other than that, I don't see anything coming from you that is actually scummy, some things that bother me a bit yes, but nothing that is actually scummy.


Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.

I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch

and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.

You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again

YOU ADMIT THAT WE WERE A TOP SCUM-READ, YET YOU GO AFTER BACDE TODAY WHO LED THE LYNCH ON SCUM.

You proved the central argument of my case.

we were a scummier read to you all game, but you pursue Bacde today over us until I called you out on it. Bacde who lead the wagon on scum yesterday despite being under heavy attack. why?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mala, please don't leave me. Things will work out I promise

[Amethyst Kitty]

Angel, please.

3884 and 3911 is a classic case of hydra dis. When is that ever a good indication of a hydra slot being scum?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

KHAN ADMITTED TO KILLING RED RYU LETS LYNCH THAT FUCKER!!!


Bacde.
~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

also, it can't be a slip because he stated that Bacde led the lynch on Thez...

[Amethyst Kitty]

It's psychological and something similar to Freudian slip.

He admitted he had something to do with Ryu with that sentence, that or Ryu was on his mind for some reason and I can't why he would even have him there.

and Bacde wasn't scummy at all, anti-town yes, but not scummy. He didn't even have Bacde as a prior scum read, and there isn't anything that happened that would make Bacde look scummier and he had better scumspects.

well, it was discrediting. where is the town motivation for doing that? especially when the person is attacking you?

and no, he just hand-waved it off fancily

~Mara
Pedit: Seanald, Hi. What do you think of my case on Khan?

and since when do you vote someone you think is town?

[Amethyst Kitty]

1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we

were

scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.

1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You

still

haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So

Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221,

so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and

even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit

. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

[Amethyst Kitty]

He was busy lynching "my scum buddy Red Ryu" not "My scum buddy Thez"

and later on, he admits that you made a good case on Thez, the person who did eventually get lynched. Red Ryu popping up like that in that post makes no sense at all what-so-ever, unless he was thinking about him for some odd reason.

He could be red scum who played a part in killing him (which I think is likely)

or, he could be blue scum who lost a buddy and was thinking about it (which could be a possibility)

or he could be town who....

I got nothing for that coming from a town-mindset. it just doesn't make sense psychologically.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

[Amethyst Kitty]

least, not until that post

Pedit: I don't like the Thad wagon

[Amethyst Kitty]

We are green scum.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie, Mala needs to cool down. Right now, she thinks you're acting like a bitch.

You know as well as I do how hard it is to do anything rationally when you're emotionally impaired.

when you pressured us, we were both unavailable to do anything beyond shallow interactions, we both told you this. Post 3909 was made the moment I got home from work, it was made ~5:00 my time

I gave you my read on nero, albiet it's mostly a response to Nacho but it has what you're looking for as well. at least I think it does.

I also don't think I ignored any of your requests, I have followed through all of them when I said I would be able to do so. I told you, when you were asking for us to do something that I wouldn't be able to do it at that time.

3911 is what I have as reads at this time. I never do full reads list, I never explain my reads on someone unless I have to so 3911-12 is what you're going to have to deal with for now.

Bulb, why do my reads feel lazy?

and yes, Bacde has been playing Anti-town, but he hasn't played like scum and I find it odd that Khan doesn't see that. With Anti-town play, Bacde has generated quite a few reactions that he uses to find scum, and quite a few reactions that I could use to help find scum.

and yes, I think that going after someone who lynched scum over someone who they had a strong scum-read on is scummy. Bacde would have more "town-cred" than us because of what he's done. I just really, really can't see town being willing to go after Bacde the way Khan is.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Fair enough

though it's taken a while for me to get engaged in this game the way I want to be, much like how I felt in the last two large games I have been in.

I've been working to have certain people worked out, Nacho being one of them, and figuring out who I can trust which has taken longer than I expected.

My list of nulls are people who I havn't payed attention to yet, or havn't had enough to interact with.

I switched on Peregrine because of what I was remembering of him and what was in his Iso when I looked at it again later are different and I remember having DLG as a strong town read, who he had replaced. I didn't place that connection earlier.

What do you think of my point on town-Nero?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie, I was calling you stupid because you were being stupid. we told you we wouldn't be available for so many hours and you continued to call us out regardless.

We did tell you that we were both at work, and I at least told you that I will talk to you when I can about whatever you want but you wouldn't leave it at that.

When you originally asked me for it, I was at work and I gave you a list of what I think who is where. 3911 was that list.

I have also never give explanation on a null-read. they are null for a reason.

I am also not trying to AtE the fuck out of you, Mala isn't either and I told her she needs to cool down for a bit before she comes back in here to talk to you.

we aren't trying to do any of those things, at least I'm not intentionally trying to do any of those things.

Mala did ask for your read on Desp, She wanted to talk to Ffery about it but she did ask you why you thought Desp was town and the answer isn't even the best answer you could have given her.

and why would town be desperate to avoid a mislynch? that is, and always will be a scum-trait mollie, and the fact that Mala isn't even trying to wiggle out of this lynch or the fact that I'm not jumping on the biggest wagon, but trying to push my own should tell you something.

the fact that either of us aren't willing to jump onto Nacho or Thad, the fact that I oppose both of them should tell you that we don't really care about being lynched.

You aren't even looking at the points I brought up since I got back, you brought up the exact same line to KK that I am.

You havn't even looked at my town-case for Nero

I am trying to work with you, and talk to you but you are making it hard for the both of us.

[Amethyst Kitty]

no

I was at work when you originally asked me for that list of reads.

when I came home, I gave you that list of reads.

that list of reads is post 3911

[Amethyst Kitty]

@CTD:

I got a question. Do you still think Slandaar is scum?

@ThAd:

Why haven't you used any of your shots yet? We had some scum flips so I'm not sure why if you are a town-limited-shot-vig you haven't used it yet.

@Everyone else:

I didn't realize that we only had two blue mafia flips. Now it can be multiball, but is it possible it's just scum team vs. Sk vs. Town rather then S v S v T?

[Amethyst Kitty]

Town:

Nacho

- Started off really shakey though I think I got a good handle on him now. Recently, he's been doing alot better, I'm getting where he's coming from and his annoyance with Bacde looks extremely townish. the fact that he unwilling to lynch him despite him being an annoyance is town as fuck, the little dance we had made him look a tad bit townish... I think his paranoia of him jumping from the bottom of my list to the top is genuine.
For Mala, Nacho being pushed by both blue scum early on makes him townish.

Ffery/Mollie

- Mollie is being aggressive and stubborn, showing alot of her town-traits early on in the game. we both have similar feeling on that slot, and that slot was solidly town all game for both of us.

Nero

: Explained, and solidly based on Meta. Weaker read for Mala though, and she is basically just trusting me on this

Bacde

: Despite Mala's outburst on him earlier, He is a strong (I think at least) town read for the both of us. I like his contributions in thread and I think he's been somewhat helpful, moreso than he usually is.

CTD

: He is solidly town for both of us too, he has nice thought processes, and ask alot of good questions and his paranoia on the neighbor thing was genuine as fuck I think. also, I really like his early play.

Angel

- her post are incredibly light hearted, especially early on. This, I think is an indication of town angel. her reaction to the mass claim idea is really genuine as well. I really love her defense of OS, and her reasoning behind it.

she also made a nice push on Ryu which, at the very least shows that she isn't blue scum.

the only thing I don't agree with is her vote on us, and the timing of it but it doesn't hurt my read on her. Strong town read for Mala as well

Rena

- Mostly not blue scum, and I don't think anything her or Fuzzy has done is actually scummy. Early game, Fuzzy did his normal fuzzy shenanigans of doing wierd as fuck stuff though he usually does those kinds of things to try and get reads so I had him as town.
As soon Rena gets in, she asks questions and plays catch up, which is a really good sign. She's been asking alot of questions and been fairly engaged... Yeah, I don't get the case on her at all and I don't have a clue to why she was ran up to claim at all. Weaker town read for Mala

Bulb

: Easily one of the most engaged people in the game I think. Stronger read for me, a weaker one for Mala. I really like his questions and him trying to understand the mindset of others. the fact that he keeps returning to his original reads, to me reads that he trusts his reads more than he trusts others and is constantly re-finding his center in the game.

DLG/Peregrine

: I have him as solidly town, though Mala has him at null. a quick run through his Iso shows that both are genuine in their responses, and both were as engaged in the game as they could be. DLG looked less townish in my eyes, but PV's attempt to actually interact with everyone despite not being able to keep up with things. He's trying to analyze what's going on in game which is another very good sign.

Null.

Ceph: I was scum reading him, though Mala doesn't have an opinion on him yet. My read on him had to do with alot of his early interactions. I'm not to overly fond of his interactions with Mollie/jiffy early on and his thought process's don't go that deep until later in the game when he starts making lists which, I originally thought him to be trying to "look town" I shift on him alot but his response to being pressured is pretty much non-existant. almost like he doesn't care about what others think. My scum read on him feels out of date but he hunts for solely blue scum, rather than just scum in general which makes me look at him wierdly.

HD

was really townish early game, though he's buggered off lately. Mala was town reading due to Om though she doesn't exactly remember what it was. for me, he started off strong. he was a really strong town read though he hasn't given anything of substance for a while. aside from D1, his actions aren't memorable and he's lurking like hell but I don't think he's done anything scummy. I just need more from him in general. The Hydra dis looked legit to me as well.. when he was in hydra.

Scum:

KK

. I already explained my case on him and he is also a strong scum read for Mala too, though I mostly think she's sheeping me on him >.>

Penguin and Seanald are weaker scum reads for the both of us.

Seanald

is mostly based on gut, though Senalds most latest post are terrible. the only thing that stops me is Sherlock holmes mafia where he acted somewhat similar and I ended up lynching him.

Babyspice/Penguin

is mostly based on guts as well. I don't like either of their posts. Spice was superficial, not really deep seeding and penguin isn't any better I don't think. I don't get any of his votes at all, and a few of them look a bit opportunistic, mainly his Rena one. I do like post 3636 though, and that makes me question this read. Spices's post make sense from a mind scumset, but Penguins make less sense I think so I am also conflicted on that end.

Hydra dissonance is fun reads:

Thad

- I think he's town Despite AD early fluffiness. Early on, when he did try to catchup, he was actually trying to catch up and he wanted to avoid a no lynch via his "just tell me who to lynch, I won't have time to read through the thread"
day two starts, In between his complaints he has some decent reads and he interacts well with others. He doesn't really push his own cases, but he does try being helpful. I think all this later day stuff is just him starting to burn out a bit. His early claim is a little weird though I have had experiences with that myself so I'm unwilling to call him scum for that.
I have him as weak town
Mala has him as scum. Mala thinks AD was really fluffy, and Thad is the exact same. He isn't as aggressive as she's used to him being and he's following pushes of others over making pushes of his own. She also think his Vig claim is lazy, and a fake-claim. she's thinking SK, or red scum. She also thinks that Mollie's relative tell that we used in Tit for Tat can be used on him again this game.

Slandaaar:

I have him as solid town. I think his vibe here is different than his vibe in GoW and his post feel alot less forced to me. Mala thinks he's scum who is doing that terrible scum tunneling, though I disagree because I know that he also tunnels as town. She finds his flip-flop read on us extremely suspicion though I don't find it as much.

to me, he feels a whole lot light hearted in this game and isn't to concerened over what he's doing/saying.

the tunnel on Thor, and then tunnel on us is pretty bad and his other thoughts are all over the place but I think that indicates town slandaar.

Despers:

for me, alot of it is meta based... he does alot of 1v1 ( I don't know if he does these as scum too) and his thoughts and ideas look pretty genuine to me. I see a bit of logical fallacy in his posts, though he's generally fearless with his opinions and doesn't really care of how others view it. He has that stubborness that I have witnessed him to have as town and is unwavering behind it. He's pretty aggressive in his attacks, the only thing I have a problem with is his choice of targets. some of them look pretty easy. I can't really follow his thought process behind his Rena, Kitty, Nero, and Thad votes but that's pretty minor I think.

Mala has a gut read on him though, she can't really explain why she thinks Despers is scum though she does think 2321, 2322, and 2326 looks like scum distancing, and it also looks forced from her perspective.


~Mara

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[Amethyst Kitty]

Holy fuck Nacho, I just spent an hour working with Mala to do a full list of reads. use it

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

This is one of those things that always lead down bad bad roads. He might be a better player than you expect even though you don't agree with his reasoning, and he might be completely on track. On the other hand, he might not be used to this and it's frying his scumdar, OR you might be holding him up to unrealistic explanations. I've never really listened to this kind of reasoning unless people have had personal experience with the person before saying something like this.

Ok, but aside from this what do you think of my other reasons for why he's scum?

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

DLG/Peregrine: I have him as solidly town, though Mala has him at null. a quick run through his Iso shows that both are genuine in their responses, and both were as engaged in the game as they could be. DLG looked less townish in my eyes, but PV's attempt to actually interact with everyone despite not being able to keep up with things. He's trying to analyze what's going on in game which is another very good sign.

[Amethyst Kitty]

That was for Nacho

you left us and went after bacde because Thez flipped Blue scum?

because that's what I'm getting from your post but what you didn't answer was how the Thez flip incriminates Bade at all but that's because it doesn't.

and I have read your post, and I have responded to you. you have done nothing but throw my points to the side

and hey, we were coaching Red Ryu cool. except for the fact that Mala wouldn't make scum connections that blatant, nor would I let her and neither would I. The connection isn't there, you're making it up.

Yeah, Mala over-reacted when it came to Ryu trying to direct the cop but that does not, by any means, mean that we are his buddy.

and no, you didn't answer that part of the argument you only reacted to it to make it look like you did. The only thing that resembles an answer would be the first post and even that one was

"you're scummy but I don't want to deal with you yet" kinda post. You don't just put your top scum-read on the back burner like that. just, no.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

Waiting til Mara pops back up on skype and a reply from Mastin and then there will be a reply to Mollie's last post. (Likely from Mara, but it will be greatly influenced by what I'm going to say on skype)

[Amethyst Kitty]

I'm going to keep every emotion that I may or may not have out of this post.

@Mollie:

You have a point in regards to the reads, but no it was actually Mara that did that. She asked me for my reads and I went back and read through all of Thez/Ruu's posts. I gave the reasons why I thought Thad/Despo are scum. Might not have been in great detail, but I tried to explain it as best.

Why ask us for our reads if you were just going to twist it and say we are scum for it. Along with the fact you pulled up my scum game, but you're forgetting it's just not scum-Mala that can post reads like that because Town-Mala has also.

My skype message to Mastin was about skype logs, but I think they are treated similar to QT post logs so I wanted to check with him before posting it. I would have proven that Mara did all of that work and not me.

Mollie I tried working with you earlier and tried to reach out a few times. I asked you about Thad because I saw that relative tell from Tit For Tat in this game. It wasn't as obvious, but it's there in his earlier posts.

You are forgetting that we are hydra'ing and we can control each other. The only time we can't control each other's emotions is when we aren't around at the same time. You're trying to fuel justification by saying she's being coached. Similar to KK saying that we were coaching Ryu. KK you need to read up on my meta I do the whole cop thing regardless of alignment. I flipped out of scum-OM for doing it because he tried to direct the action during Switch.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Town Mala

Town Mala

So there Mala going into detail is a null tell.

This one was my fav though and forgot to space everything.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Oh and Mollie;

Mara doesn't appreciate you using her worse two scum games to judge her. Also the fact the post this game with the reads looks nothing like my detailed posts. Being calm is not a relative-scum tell.

~~~

So on the most random note. The fact is Rena, Nacho, Nero & our wagon took off like wildfire, but we can't get any votes onto Despo/KK. I did say Thad too so I'm kinda wondering about that scum-read I had on him due to that fact, but the wagons were fast paced and I have noticed the wagons that are harder to get votes on are sometimes scum rather then town.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Correction:

worst two games of both alignments*

[Amethyst Kitty]

I don't know why you would be surprised that wagons aren't taking off when they're on players most of us consider town.

It was a general thought. The faster the wagon I have seen earlier in days are normally on town unless there's a huge town block (not seeing a town block this game)

[Amethyst Kitty]

She wasn't on skype during my meltdown. She came around afterwards and I was already doing something to attempt to calm myself down.

I don't need to be coached and Mara doesn't need to be coached either. You do realize we were calm during our hydra game and I was calm in the piratecat hydra. Remember when you flipped out because of Slandaar/Bork and I was there. Well this is a similar situation, but in a total different hydra.

The only reason why I flailed because you are cutting it close to the personal edge which I don't want to happen. If it continues any post that comes from you will be replied by from Mara and if you need a question directly answered from me it will come from a Mara post.

I'm a lurkly player in general. Don't try and say I'm just a lurkly scum player because I'm lurky as town and I have been given heat for this in the past in a few games we played together. I'm not going to change my status just because I'm in a hydra and you know I only use phone skype and that the status never changes, but you failed to put that in perspective before attacking us for it.

You just tried to rolefish us in another post. I Breadcrumb fake crumbs as VT to draw the NK. I don't crumb when I'm a doctor or a protective role, but I will crumb if I'm an investigation role. If I am a PR I do not crumb during Day 1 (unless it's a hider then I will subtly crumb). I try not to crumb when I'm scum so I don't get locked into a fake claim. You know this based on DT/skype.

For the reads:

I have been disconnected all game besides Day 1 and now. She has been giving her reads out and I was giving them to the best of my ability.
Sure you can have a trail, but we are town and I don't see how our reads will help you after we are dead.

You answered my question that you didn't see it because he looked smug and I thought fair enough. I was just pointing out that I tried to reach out to you in regards to it. I don't want him to catch onto the relative tell so I'm not going to post the one that I see. If you want us to trust you then why don't you trust us or stop being paranoid and trust your original read on us.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mara just made fun of my error.

I meant lurky*

[Amethyst Kitty]

Despo:

I like that post. Keep it up.

@Mollie:

How can I be coached by someone when it's only Mara and I? That means Mara would be coaching me. I will say I'm learning things from her, but I'm learning it reluctantly.

I never once called you stupid. I already don't like being called a lurker especially when I'm sleeping, but I was so annoyed with you that I wanted to talk to Fery.

Try the game Jiffy modded or even the games we were in together as the hydra. I was a lurker.

I don't like being locked into a fake claim as scum. I try to be as truthful as I can as scum.

No, I was posting, but it was limited. We were talking, but the reads I had were going off memory. We were both disconnected from the game, but we still tried to keep posting our reads. So it's not like we kept our reads from the thread they just weren't fleshed out.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Time to officially announce that I'm going to bed. So I won't be back until I wake up or after work.

So 'night.

[Amethyst Kitty]

It wasn't the pressure that made me snap. It was the fact you're just being paranoid and just flopped without explanation. You decided I was scum off a relative tell that was just unreliable. I do think you're town however, but sometimes you are known to get onto the wrong track and you tunnel for a while and this is what scum uses to their advantage.

As I said, I didn't call you stupid, but you were pissing us both off which is not good. It normally takes a lot for me to lose my temper and when I feel like I'm getting too out of hand I need to step away because I don't want it to affect a friendship.

Uh, we were talking a little while ago once you posted your first big post. I paraphrased it because she doesn't want to post over here right now.

See that's the thing. You need to apply relative tells that apply to us and not the general population.

I only was going to bed because nothing was happening. Now I'm watching a TV show because I was eating chocolate and it made me hyper. So I'm kinda here, but off my phone.

[Amethyst Kitty]

Mollie fails <3

I trusted you as you were/are my highest town read. I figured we were in a similar boat to you and Fery. I was mistaken and it hurts when a strong town read just turns on someone like that. Yes, but see this is a lot different because you have meta on both Mara and I and we play a lot together. This game isn't one of my scum-games, but as I said you just flipped. It wasn't really you flipping that bothered me as so much what happened before you did it. You stated okay we are a weak town read (fair enough - I understand that) and that you wanted to talk to us to get a better read. Before we could even speak to you - you accused us both of lurking while bringing up Skype against us both. You woke me up the following morning and I said I was sleeping so it was most likely I was still sleeping, but as I said you didn't put that into perspective. Once I posted and made the '>.>' you flipped hardcore. I get really, really annoyed at people in general when they nitpick over my personal habits. This is exactly what you did. You said my personal habit is a relative-scum tell (which it's not). I can't change something if I do it all the time in random online conversation. Don't expect me to change either.

These are the tells you keep brining up against us:

•'>.>'
•lurking
•being calm
•aTe

All of which are done regardless of our alignment.

I never had that and I don't go to cold stone so probably will never have it.

The ATE meltdowns weren't a joke and they weren't a trick to get all the votes off of us. I was frustrated at everyone. I was frustrated at Mara too and I wanted out of the game. I wasn't happy with you and it affected my mood overall. Yes I wanted to replace out and yes Mara talked me out of it, but yes I still want to replace out, but I don't want to leave Mara alone to clean up after a mess I helped create.

You said you wanted to talk. Lets talk before I go to bed. You got 10 minutes since I might sleep once this episode is over. If you reply then ill watch another one and you'll have my attention for an hour.

[Amethyst Kitty]

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

No.

[Amethyst Kitty]

I don't know why you would be surprised that wagons aren't taking off when they're on players most of us consider town.

It was a general thought. The faster the wagon I have seen earlier in days are normally on town unless there's a huge town block (not seeing a town block this game)

In response to this, as long as you're willing to accept individual members of the block to suspect one another (and you should, because that's healthy), then bacde/nacho/fullisade/bulbazak/CTD/kublai khan/arcangel is a damn formidable town block. I personally have no problem with any of them right now.

No. town reads =/= town block. you can have town reads, but if none of them work with you, and work with your other town reads then...

right now, I see Nacho, mollie/Ffery, and CTD as the town block ATM

I personally want to work with Nacho, Mollie/Ffery, and Bacde. Nero and Angel both work out well

those 5, along with CTD are the town reads that I'm happiest about and will probably not change but I would be hesitant to call them a block.

Khan is my favorite scum-read ATM

Mollie, I apologize for calling you stupid, though I don't like having what I think to be my two worst scum games (popcorn and Hard-boiled) and my worst town game on site (Polygamist) being used as a meta-point against me.
that, combined with the fact that you flipped from weak-town to full out scum before we could even speak to you and when we promised that we will talk to you when given the time to irritated me and not being able to do much about it sucked.

what do you think of the points I stated about Khan?

specifically, the setting up mis-lynches, his response to that, how he tries to deflect from that being used against him, and how the battle between us started?

I would like answer to the above from Nacho as well.

and Nero.

So.. Back to lynching Amethyst Kitty?

lol.

~Mara

[Amethyst Kitty]

I don't know if a lynch is warranted on Rena just yet. Just because there was a ninja and she was a watcher doesn't mean she's on the other side of multiball. She could be town because town has to have PRs to counter scum PRs. We also don't know if there's a red scum team or if its just a SK. We are going on assumptions and assumptions are bad for the town.


(Ps Mastin can you delete my post above. My phone flipped a shit and posted when I wasn't ready)

<<< If you refer to 4067, the answer is no, I will not delete it. >>>

[Amethyst Kitty]

They don't feel like Mala scum posts because they

aren't

Mala scum posts.

[Amethyst Kitty]

It's not that they didn't join the wagon. It's that the wagon got to 8 without 5 of my townreads.

Like I said I'm still trying to figure out what that means, if anything.

The other problem is there was basically no opposition. The case is good, but if I'm wrong about seanald then we get nothing from the lynch.

Wrong. You get

something

from the lynch, but it's

nor

what

you

desired. You still get information, but it's using that information to your advantage.

[Amethyst Kitty]

What would we learn from a seanald town flip if no one opposes his lynch?

Wagon analysis.