NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #675 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:40 am

In post 667, mastin2 wrote:
Fourteenth Votecount
:

(
AKA, the "v, f, what's the difference?" votecount
)

Nachomamma8 - 4 (
Red Ryu
,
Bacde
,
Nero Cain
,
Amethyst Kitty
)

Oversoul
- 2 (Nachomamma8,
CrashTextDummie
)

BeautyAndTheBeast
- 2 (
Cephrir
, EddieFenix)

Red Ryu
- 2 (
Oversoul
,
Thor665
)

Cephrir
- 2 (fuzzybutternut,
BeautyAndTheBeast
)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)

Bulbazak
- 1 (
Om the Destroyer
)

Om the Destroyer
- 1 (
Bulbazak
)

Not Voting - 9 (Mac,
Syryana
, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9)

orange is weak scum reads, blue is weak town reads, rest is obvious

In post 673, Amethyst Kitty wrote:HD, like to give a reason why we are possible scum? You too Nero.

Gut. Plus I hate your jump on the Nacho wagon, and if your vote is based on what the both of you think, and Mala hasn't mentioned a Nacho scumread except in obvious jest, you can't really use that an excuse for not actually voting earlier.

So it's like gut with bonus points.

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #676 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:41 am

In post 674, Bacde wrote:
In post 673, Amethyst Kitty wrote:HD, like to give a reason why we are possible scum? You too Nero.
Well for one you are wondering why you are a possible scum

everyone is a possible scum

even me

and I'm confirmed town

I know you like fucking around Bacde but you need to do more

~

(as was the post above this)

Bacde · Post Post #677 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:44 am

I'm actually down to lynch nacho

this feels like scum-nacho to me

(how was that as a contribution?)

mastin2 · Post Post #678 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:44 am

Gimme a sec and this'll be your next votecount.

Fifteenth Votecount

:

(

AKA, the "That's a long second, Mastin" votecount

)

Nachomamma8 - 4 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty)

Oversoul - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)

BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Cephrir, EddieFenix)
Red Ryu - 2 (Oversoul, Thor665)
Cephrir - 2 (fuzzybutternut, BeautyAndTheBeast)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Bulbazak - 1 (Om the Destroyer)
Om the Destroyer - 1 (Bulbazak)

Not Voting - 9 (Mac, Syryana, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount (none)

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

Bacde · Post Post #679 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:45 am

VOTE: nachomamma0

Bacde · Post Post #680 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:47 am

In post 568, Bacde wrote:
In post 562, Bacde wrote:hey guys whats up

<<< Fuzzy's post. >>>
no, this was my post?

<<< You asked what was up. The post immediately above yours, "up", so to speak, was fuzzy's. So, literally, what was up was fuzzy. >>>

lol, mastin humor

Bacde · Post Post #681 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:49 am

woah when did nachomamma8 become the biggest wagon?

all of a sudden everyone thinks I'm a good scumhunter? (unlikely even though its true)

I guess its just a 4-man wagon, which can be legit

currently ISOing redryu

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #682 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:01 am

Huh!!!

Can you all stop posting the fluff for heaven sake.. It’s not even 24 hours since I was here and it is 20 pages already.. Go slow people… Catching up is always a night mare!!!

Anywayz, Overall.. OS wagon is the most dumbest shit than ever. Every lurker who has no content/case to make is jumping in OS wagon, OS may not be the scum, If there is something odd about him that it is his claim. I will have to ISO some of his games to understand better but for now, I have no interest in joining his wagon.

Looks like Beast (majiffy) abandoned the Beauty (mollie) in the hydra. Mollie’s arguments make sense, she is town. Om the Destroyer is also town. And the never ending triangle arguments between OM, B&B & ephir looks very town vs town or there could a scum in between them but its early to see because it seems all of them has their own cases argue...

Anywayz, responses to few quotes....

In post 385, Bacde wrote:WHATS UP CHOOBIES BACDE IN DA HOUSE

Hello Bacde

In post 415, EddieFenix wrote:Wow... That was A LOT to catch up on. But, after catching up

Vote B&B

You kidding me? you said a lot but never talked about them.. Why? seems very unlikely post for "A LOT"

In post 458, Nero Cain wrote:Yeah, sorry to burst your bubble but I don't think that you put me "under a microscope". Obviously I was trolling and faking a PR so that's why I wasn't talking.

Tell me why you think B&TB is scum.

Why do you think it is necessary for faking a PR nero? its quite unnatural behaviour becuz being town, faking PR makes you a best night target, are you forgetting that? How does that benefit anyone of us?

In post 462, Nero Cain wrote:yea, that reason sucks but you're still a freshman and I could see that coming from newtown. Welp, back to OS.

vote:OS

But I also echo Nacho here, if OS flips scum then you need death.

Keep the OS case away, Otherwise who else you think is scum?

In post 487, Nero Cain wrote:I'm an under

<<< No, you're not an underachiever. You're an
underarchiver
underachiver, just like me. (Though I am ALSO an underachiever. >>>

Both of you get a room!!!

In post 494, DLG wrote:VOTE: ArcAngel9
I'm truly disturbed by the complete lack of scumhunting.

In post 217, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 203, CrashTextDummie wrote:We should massclaim. I am not joking.

Raise of hands, everyone in favor.
are you crazy.. No claims plz!!!!!!!!!!

Mastin2, I don't have any issue with HD hydra.
This is the kind of reaction I expect to a proposed massclaim from scum. Belittle the idea, but take no initiative to figure out why someone is proposing such an idea.

Also, rather than any commentary about any of the content that developed pre-game, or up to that point, an aside to the mod that served no purpose.
In post 227, ArcAngel9 wrote:^wow, that VCA is just mind blowing. Great job Mastin
This post, in particular, gave me scum feelings towards ArcAngel9. Absolutely no commentary on the game state, no attempts to figure anything out. Prefering to interact with the mod over interacting with the game and other players is not Town motivated.

Her later commentary that the Oversoul wagon is bad 'cuz it's soooo quick again betrays her lack of interest in figuring out anyone's alignment.

Yep, yep, this is scummy behavior from someone who got a scum role PM. Let's lynch her.

Lack of scumhunting? And what exactly you did so far other than this small litte post that says i am scum?

Out of 24 players you dont have reads on anyone else, neither you have any case on an on-going arguments, there is so much scummy ness flalling around, there are palyers who has hardly said anything, Players like Fuzzy is being jumping in every possible wagons, OS wagon is with full of opputunistis, Yet you get an isolated read on me out of everything else and voted with out asking for explanation? Seems like an easy move, If you wanted to know whats my town play or mafia play, its available on my wiki and the statistics in my signature or even you can follow my profile link for the game threads that i have palyed. You haven't seen my playstyle, nor completly analyzed my ISO on this game, nor reading the game, nor had any other cases ..and voted me right away???? OMMFG, who thought you to play like this? Your scummy buddies?

In post 498, Red Ryu wrote:
In post 492, DLG wrote:You got any kind of a read towards ArcAngel9?
Null, I don't like Arc's posts but I don't know enough about him right now.

I think he is newer to mafia, since his posts aren't really adding too much but I'm not sure of his intent.

He needs to post more.

Huh, seriously????

I am She not HE!!!!

In post 502, Nero Cain wrote:IDK...lynching Arc would be a total utility lynch.

I was actually wondering why nero is not talking about one of his utility craps.. Thanks.. but i have no interest being your PL target today.

In post 544, Cephrir wrote:Nero Cain is probably town.

How? I would be glad to know how you read him as town.

And there are bunch players who hasn't said anything, I really need all of you get your asses here and be part of the game...Please

Seanald
ActionDan
Ronald
Syrana
BabySpice

Nero Cain · Post Post #683 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:05 am

Who, besides me, thinks Angel is obsessed with me?

Everyone here knows I'm town babe. Help me kill scumNacho.

Bacde · Post Post #684 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:09 am

In post 683, Nero Cain wrote:Who, besides me, thinks Angel is obsessed with me?

Everyone here knows I'm town babe. Help me kill scumNacho.

p sure AA9 is scum

almost certain nacho is scum

Slandaar · Post Post #685 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:09 am

I incline towards Nacho being scum also.

Which is interesting.

Bacde · Post Post #686 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:10 am

town-nacho would not have tunneled this idiotic OS case for this long

but its the perfect case for him to push as scum

until I REPLACE IN AND CALL HIM OUT ON IT

Bacde · Post Post #687 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:11 am

the funny thing is, OS totally MIGHT be scum (his "information" would be totally easy to fake if he were, for instance, an SK)

but nacho is like DEFINITELY scum

Nero Cain · Post Post #688 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:13 am

pfft. Nacho badgering mover asking why Mollie called me an "indie" is just retarded and scummy. That's all that needs to be said.

Bacde · Post Post #689 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:23 am

whatever floats your boat man as long as you are voting for my scumread

Nero Cain · Post Post #690 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:24 am

In post 682, ArcAngel9 wrote:I was actually wondering why nero is not talking about one of his utility craps.. Thanks.. but i have no interest being your PL target today.

I wasn't suggesting that we lynch you. I was just saying that if we did then you'd be a utility a lynch.

Though if Angel does flip scum I'd be very very tempted to lynch B&TB for lukewarmly calling me scum and might be a chainsaw.

EddieFenix · Post Post #691 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:41 am

In post 658, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 656, EddieFenix wrote:Hmm... Usually, you have questions or accusations for me, Bulba... Or at least you give me food for thought/ideas to play with... Hell, we haven't even had that much banter so far... Anything on your mind right now (game wise)?

Mass claiming is bad

Oversoul and Om are scum. Red Ryu is likely scum as well.

B&B, Kitty, and Bacde are town (Bacde because of Rofl). Thor is probably town as well.

Cephrir appears to have been on the site for awhile, yet he is unfamiliar with several of the more prominent players and his play isn't up to par with what I'd expect from someone of his experience. That'd normally land him in the same area of initial suspicion as Om, but I took a look at his wiki, and he has a win:loss ratio of 4:10 as town. That keeps him effectively in the null/scum area for now until I see something more conclusive.

Slandaar, although being against mass claiming, has since only focused on the mass claim discussion, more specifically on why I dislike mass claims, essentially prolonging it. I'd like to see his thoughts on more recent events.

Fuzzy is coming off as slightly scummy, mainly because of his refusal to engage and answer the questions asked of him.

Nacho is Nacho and probably won't be readable for awhile. The current mode of investigation on him is ridiculous and won't lead to any definitive reads.
Was there something more specific you wanted to ask? What did you gather from the pre-game (d0)?

Mass claiming is bad, yes.
As for the pre-game, here's been my reads so far

Spoiler: Reads

Not going to trust you on your Cephrir point because of your "wiki read". It's a weak argument imo.
I like Slandaar's points. He's poking holes in the theories of a few of the mass claim supporters. He's not focusing on WHY you dislike mass claims, so a re-read might help you. But, I can say, Slandaar is giving me a couple things to chew over.

Bulbazak wrote:
In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 657, Bulbazak wrote:First, I was just noting it for future reference. If I was full on attacking you, you'd know it.
Cool, I'll note this for future reference too. Btw what future reference would that even be for?
Twofold: 1.) Anything I find strange or scummy I point out for the benefit of the entire town. 2.) It also serves as a handy reference point for any time I review my ISO and the case against you.

So, let me get this right, you're going to build a case against someone who's slot, as far as I can tell, hasn't done anything scummy? Cool beans, I'll be sure to comb it over when posted.

Bulbazak wrote:
In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote:
Third, this is a deflection. I'm sure you can find several useless posts in pre-game, but once the game officially started, I've tried to keep my posts somewhat game related.
Right now is my pregame thanks. I hope you realise I've openly stated that I've barely read any of the game. However I don't particularly need to. Also :meta reasons: useless posts are a frequent pastime of mine.
Translation: "I'm going to be a useless lurksack."

Are you even reading the difference in the 2 players posts??

Bulbazak wrote:
In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote: Fucking lol. Please, tell me why we're even scum in the first place. Your arguments aren't even scumtells.
Useless posting isn't a scummy thing unless it's done repeatedly (and I've only been in this game for a day). Informing people about things like activity and potential dissonance isn't a scummy thing either, it's just being fucking informative. Attacking someone who is easily perceived as anti-town doesn't even say why the fuck we're scum. If someone is perceived as anti-town, you'd vote them, otherwise you won't get anywhere. Just because they have a history of looking anti-town doesn't mean they aren't scum. Your chainsaw defense of B&B is meta-related without any evidence to support your statements. Not to mention that you've tried to discredit us multiple times too....
Full case coming later today.

Again, this outta be good.

Bulbazak wrote:
In post 660, Cephrir wrote: Post 657 is complete trash.
How is it "complete trash"?

Simple. First point was a simple goating of OM. 2nd point, you are pointing out the obvious. 3rd point, it's not a deflection. Lastly, it's an overall useless post especially with the "I made the right choice" at the end.

Bulbazak wrote:
In post 661, Om the Destroyer wrote:Also I'd kinda like to know why I'm definitely scum compared to OS when:
According to you, I'm scum because: Useless posting and attacking someone you think is town for meta reasons.
According to you, OS is scum because: Bad knee-jerk reaction to RVS vote, backpedaling, contradicting claims, suspicions on trying to use claim to gain townie status and he hasn't said very much at all.
(Note: I don't exactly support the OS wagon right now (nor do I entirely oppose it), this is just my interpretation of his reasons for suspecting either of us)

Like seriously wtf? If you're going to attack OS for a bad knee-jerk reaction to a vote then I'm pretty much going to do the same for you, only in your case there wasn't even a vote before you started reacting terribly (as evidenced by your P-EDIT).

~Pertayter
Translation: "Why aren't you still attacking the scummier Oversoul? Seriously, look how scummy he is!"

Weak translation is weak imo.

Bulbazak wrote:
In post 663, Slandaar wrote:
In post 658, Bulbazak wrote: That'd normally land him in the same area of initial suspicion as Om,
Why? because he doesn't play as well as you think he should when you have no idea how he normally plays? and because of this he would be 'definite scum'?
No, my "initial suspicion". Majiffy is a prominent player on the site, and Om's reaction to him was strange, as I'd think they, or at least HD, would be familiar with his meta. This was enough to raise an eyebrow. It was the same thing with Cephrir. Om didn't reach "definite scum" status until later, after doing some genuinely scummy things.

In post 663, Slandaar wrote:
In post 658, Bulbazak wrote: but I took a look at his wiki, and he has a win:loss ratio of 4:10 as town. That keeps him effectively in the null/scum area for now until I see something more conclusive.
So, your whole argument was hes experienced and not playing how you would expect someone of that experience to play, you then find out hes not very good as town (or I assume thats what you are suggesting your conclusion is) and so hes still leaning scum for not playing well even though he is matching his own meta or how you perceive it (of not playing well)?
The whole experience question was why I checked out his wiki in the first place. It was there that I found his win/loss records. This made me think that he just might be making bad arguments, and, therefore, was not necessarily scummy.
However, I'm not going to dismiss any earlier inclinations that he might be scum, just because of stats, as I have no clue whether this is his town play or not. All it did was keep him from going into the scum section
.

So, let me get this right... You're saying that you have him at null right now on principal from other peoples scum claims and "bad arguments"? Looks like to me you're trying to cover your ass without looking too obvious that you are covering it.

Slandaar · Post Post #692 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:43 am

In a recent game I wanted a massclaim on D2 with 3 dead VT; Nacho was very strongly against it (as town). Which obviously is a stark contrast to here.

I just am unsure why he would out himself to me so easily if he were truly scum.

I believe AK (Mala) was in that game, which is probably why they voted him.

EddieFenix · Post Post #693 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 8:45 am

Also, I think I might have mis-understood your wording Bulba on the Slandaar mass claim thing.

Nero Cain · Post Post #694 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:01 am

Why is Slandaar not voting scumNacho?

Bacde · Post Post #695 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:04 am

In post 694, Nero Cain wrote:Why is Slandaar not voting scumNacho?

why is there a velociraptor holding an rpg riding a great white

its just one of those questions ya know

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #696 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:08 am

In post 683, Nero Cain wrote:Who, besides me, thinks Angel is obsessed with me?

Everyone here knows I'm town babe. Help me kill scumNacho.

Isn't that is otherway around?

In post 684, Bacde wrote:
In post 683, Nero Cain wrote:Who, besides me, thinks Angel is obsessed with me?

Everyone here knows I'm town babe. Help me kill scumNacho.
p sure AA9 is scum

almost certain nacho is scum

Oh really, How am I scum again, i missed your catch up post Bcade...

Nero Cain · Post Post #697 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:12 am

that question is simple. The raptors are going to take over the earth and my avi is an homage to the eventual overlords. Instead of boats the will ride on sharks in the water and instead of planes they will ride huge ass genetically modified bats. RPG's won't be the only weapons they use but, much like terrorists, they enjoy using them and when they aren't at war they are used as a mating signal. The bigger the explosion the more suitable of mate.

Bacde · Post Post #698 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:21 am

In post 696, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 683, Nero Cain wrote:Who, besides me, thinks Angel is obsessed with me?

Everyone here knows I'm town babe. Help me kill scumNacho.
Isn't that is otherway around?

In post 684, Bacde wrote:
In post 683, Nero Cain wrote:Who, besides me, thinks Angel is obsessed with me?

Everyone here knows I'm town babe. Help me kill scumNacho.
p sure AA9 is scum

almost certain nacho is scum
Oh really, How am I scum again, i missed your catch up post Bcade...

don't worry, I haven't explained why you are scum

lets just lynch nacho, and you can nightkill me tonight so you can sweep this whole aa9-is-probably-scum thing under the rug

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #699 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:35 am

In post 690, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 682, ArcAngel9 wrote:I was actually wondering why nero is not talking about one of his utility craps.. Thanks.. but i have no interest being your PL target today.
I wasn't suggesting that we lynch you. I was just saying that if we did then you'd be a utility a lynch.

Though if Angel does flip scum I'd be very very tempted to lynch B&TB for lukewarmly calling me scum and might be a chainsaw.

jesus christ nero, indies are not scum. you were reading as an indie at the time fucking get over it. on my homesite we treat indies differently

@ arc - what are you talking about, the last few posts were by majiffy