NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

EddieFenix · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 7:24 pm

In post 647, Bulbazak wrote:Is that all you've got, Eddie?

Yup. Gonna sit here, take it easy, and gather info. Unless you have any questions you wanna ask me.

Bulbazak · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 7:27 pm

Om the Destroyer wrote:omg HD my skype hasn't received your message
I'm probably not going to be completely on the same page as HD until we can get something going (hooray for planning ahead ).
So it'll probably be fine tomorrow.

~Pertayter

Look. A useless post.

In post 650, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 647, Bulbazak wrote:Is that all you've got, Eddie?
Yup. Gonna sit here, take it easy, and gather info. Unless you have any questions you wanna ask me.

Lurking. Got it.

Oversoul · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 7:38 pm

In post 626, Amethyst Kitty wrote:His suggestion to mass-claim seems genuine IMO and Nacho has done far more scummier stuff other then the mass-claim anyway

It's alignment neutral.

CTD did it in the recently finished invitational NY game as scum traitor. However, he did do much more in my opinion here to try and get mass claim to occur than in that game.

Are you following that thread in MD stating that Nacho's summary is a scumtell?

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 7:43 pm

In post 651, Bulbazak wrote:
Om the Destroyer wrote:omg HD my skype hasn't received your message :P
I'm probably not going to be completely on the same page as HD until we can get something going (hooray for planning ahead :D).
So it'll probably be fine tomorrow.

~Pertayter
Look. A useless post.

Is there any way you can actually make a decent attack on our slot at all this game?
I mean seriously if you want to attack a post like that you might as well attack anybody declaring V/LA in the future.
Also some of your posts are useless too bby ;)

~Pertayter

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 7:46 pm

In post 344, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 313, Om the Destroyer wrote: Majiffy's "oh you must not think highly of him then!" is a somewhat-subtle "yes thor is awesome go fuck yourself"
:lol:

Om's recent posts are hilarious, because they either mean that they are not familiar with Majiffy's meta at all, or that they are scum trying to push for an early mislynch on a player that tends to look anti-town. The buddying accusation is my favorite, as Majiffy doesn't buddy up to anyone, except for Majiffy. I suggest watching this wagon closely, as I can see scum pushing it hard.

omg fucking lol wth HD why didn't you even push this shit?
VOTE: Bulbazak

~Pertayter

ISO · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 7:52 pm

In post 652, Oversoul wrote:
In post 626, Amethyst Kitty wrote:His suggestion to mass-claim seems genuine IMO and Nacho has done far more scummier stuff other then the mass-claim anyway
It's alignment neutral.

CTD did it in the recently finished invitational NY game as scum traitor. However, he did do much more in my opinion here to try and get mass claim to occur than in that game.

Are you following that thread in MD stating that Nacho's summary is a scumtell?

I can't help but read CTD as town for pushing the massclaim so hard.

The existence of the MD thread makes the summary scumtell stupid.

Pointing out useless posts is equally useless.

Cursory reread of Nacho has me liking him more than I did before, so I'd like to hear what's so very scummy about him.

EddieFenix · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 7:56 pm

In post 651, Bulbazak wrote:
Om the Destroyer wrote:omg HD my skype hasn't received your message
I'm probably not going to be completely on the same page as HD until we can get something going (hooray for planning ahead ).
So it'll probably be fine tomorrow.

~Pertayter
Look. A useless post.

In post 650, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 647, Bulbazak wrote:Is that all you've got, Eddie?
Yup. Gonna sit here, take it easy, and gather info. Unless you have any questions you wanna ask me.
Lurking. Got it.

Reading and thinking is the term you are looking for here. Hmm... Usually, you have questions or accusations for me, Bulba... Or at least you give me food for thought/ideas to play with... Hell, we haven't even had that much banter so far... Anything on your mind right now (game wise)?

Bulbazak · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 7:58 pm

In post 653, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 651, Bulbazak wrote:
Om the Destroyer wrote:omg HD my skype hasn't received your message
I'm probably not going to be completely on the same page as HD until we can get something going (hooray for planning ahead ).
So it'll probably be fine tomorrow.

~Pertayter
Look. A useless post.
Is there any way you can actually make a decent attack on our slot at all this game?
I mean seriously if you want to attack a post like that you might as well attack anybody declaring V/LA in the future.
Also some of your posts are useless too bby

~Pertayter

First, I was just noting it for future reference. If I was full on attacking you, you'd know it.

Second, the difference between someone declaring V/LA and your post is that you essentially said "I can't talk to HD. Not going to say anything else.". There was no point in saying any of this, as you could just as easily have messaged HD via PM. This was posting for posting's sake.

Third, this is a deflection. I'm sure you can find several useless posts in pre-game, but once the game officially started, I've tried to keep my posts somewhat game related.

I think Oversoul can wait. Om is definitely scum.

Unvote

Vote Om the Destroyer

P-edit: Looks like I made the right call...

Bulbazak · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 8:19 pm

In post 656, EddieFenix wrote:Hmm... Usually, you have questions or accusations for me, Bulba... Or at least you give me food for thought/ideas to play with... Hell, we haven't even had that much banter so far... Anything on your mind right now (game wise)?

Mass claiming is bad
Oversoul and Om are scum. Red Ryu is likely scum as well.
B&B, Kitty, and Bacde are town (Bacde because of Rofl). Thor is probably town as well.
Cephrir appears to have been on the site for awhile, yet he is unfamiliar with several of the more prominent players and his play isn't up to par with what I'd expect from someone of his experience. That'd normally land him in the same area of initial suspicion as Om, but I took a look at his wiki, and he has a win:loss ratio of 4:10 as town. That keeps him effectively in the null/scum area for now until I see something more conclusive.
Slandaar, although being against mass claiming, has since only focused on the mass claim discussion, more specifically on why I dislike mass claims, essentially prolonging it. I'd like to see his thoughts on more recent events.
Fuzzy is coming off as slightly scummy, mainly because of his refusal to engage and answer the questions asked of him.
Nacho is Nacho and probably won't be readable for awhile. The current mode of investigation on him is ridiculous and won't lead to any definitive reads.

Was there something more specific you wanted to ask? What did you gather from the pre-game (d0)?

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 8:19 pm

In post 657, Bulbazak wrote:First, I was just noting it for future reference. If I was full on attacking you, you'd know it.

Cool, I'll note this for future reference too. Btw what future reference would that even be for?

Second, the difference between someone declaring V/LA and your post is that you essentially said "I can't talk to HD. Not going to say anything else.". There was no point in saying any of this, as you could just as easily have messaged HD via PM. This was posting for posting's sake.

I don't even know how you managed to get 'Not going to say anything' from 'We might not be on the same page for at least a day'. At least get your facts right.

Third, this is a deflection. I'm sure you can find several useless posts in pre-game, but once the game officially started, I've tried to keep my posts somewhat game related.

Right now is my pregame thanks. I hope you realise I've openly stated that I've barely read any of the game. However I don't particularly need to. Also :meta reasons: useless posts are a frequent pastime of mine.

I think Oversoul can wait. Om is definitely scum.

Unvote

Vote Om the Destroyer

P-edit: Looks like I made the right call...

Fucking lol. Please, tell me why we're even scum in the first place. Your arguments aren't even scumtells.
Useless posting isn't a scummy thing unless it's done repeatedly (and I've only been in this game for a day). Informing people about things like activity and potential dissonance isn't a scummy thing either, it's just being fucking informative. Attacking someone who is easily perceived as anti-town doesn't even say why the fuck we're scum. If someone is perceived as anti-town, you'd vote them, otherwise you won't get anywhere. Just because they have a history of looking anti-town doesn't mean they aren't scum. Your chainsaw defense of B&B is meta-related without any evidence to support your statements. Not to mention that you've tried to discredit us multiple times too....

~Pertayter

ISO · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 8:39 pm

@658: I'm unfamiliar with players because I've been essentially gone from the site for three years. However, there is no way I can imagine meta convincing me B&B aren't scum.
I'm a bad player, especially as town- historically my reads are consistently wrong and I'm usually lynched by Day 3. In the few games I am not lynched early I am generally either nearly lynched early, scum, or a replacement.

Post 657 is complete trash.

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 8:55 pm

Also I'd kinda like to know why I'm definitely scum compared to OS when:
According to you, I'm scum because: Useless posting and attacking someone you think is town for meta reasons.
According to you, OS is scum because: Bad knee-jerk reaction to RVS vote, backpedaling, contradicting claims, suspicions on trying to use claim to gain townie status and he hasn't said very much at all.
(Note: I don't exactly support the OS wagon right now (nor do I entirely oppose it), this is just my interpretation of his reasons for suspecting either of us)

Like seriously wtf? If you're going to attack OS for a bad knee-jerk reaction to a vote then I'm pretty much going to do the same for you, only in your case there wasn't even a vote before you started reacting terribly (as evidenced by your P-EDIT).

~Pertayter

Red Ryu · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2013 10:11 pm

Prod dodge, writing papers on no sleep.

<<< I strongly suggest you read the rules I have about prod dodging. You're within activity boundaries already, but had you not been, this would not have reset your timer. Follow the intent of the rules, not the literal letter. A post consisting merely of "Prod Dodge" fits the letter of the rule but violates the spirit.

If this is to announce V/LA, however, then it

would

reset the timer, but you need to clearly declare it if this is the case. >>>

Slandaar · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 1:18 am

In post 658, Bulbazak wrote: [*]Cephrir appears to have been on the site for awhile, yet he is unfamiliar with several of the more prominent players

An observation, but a pointless one; who cares?

In post 658, Bulbazak wrote: and his play isn't up to par with what I'd expect from someone of his experience.

For someone so well versed in Majiffys meta you would think he would realise that he should only be comparing this to Ceph's own meta not comparing it to other players with similar experience.

In post 658, Bulbazak wrote: That'd normally land him in the same area of initial suspicion as Om,

Why? because he doesn't play as well as you think he should when you have no idea how he normally plays? and because of this he would be 'definite scum'?

In post 658, Bulbazak wrote: but I took a look at his wiki, and he has a win:loss ratio of 4:10 as town. That keeps him effectively in the null/scum area for now until I see something more conclusive.

So, your whole argument was hes experienced and not playing how you would expect someone of that experience to play, you then find out hes not very good as town (or I assume thats what you are suggesting your conclusion is) and so hes still leaning scum for not playing well even though he is matching his own meta or how you perceive it (of not playing well)?

Nero Cain · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 2:16 am

In post 637, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Not true. On her home site, most indies have town-friendly wincons. Ergo indies aren't necessarily scum.

What does that site have anything to do with this site?

Syryana · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 3:00 am

Alrighty, catch up time. Let's do this.

Spoiler: My notes, read at your own risk

All right. All caught up now. Reads list(in no particular order), based off above notes:

Town	Null leaning Town	Null	Null Leaning Scum	Scum
Nacho B&B Nero Fuzzy	AK Bulb Slandaar Bacde	Everyone else	CTD Mac Desperado Red Ryu	Oversoul Om the Destroyer Cephrir

I'll give explanations on the reads to whoever wants them. Or you can trawl through my notes (only for the daring, you've been warned). Voting later, people are yelling at me it's time to go, catch ya'll later!

Nero Cain · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 3:10 am

yuck. Other than myself all the town reads blow. AK with a town lean?

mastin2 · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 4:05 am

You guys are due for another votecount, so I'll get you one as soon as I pull up my flashdrive with my fancy formatting on it. (My laptop is working again, but it'll take some time to get everything on it up and running again.)

Fourteenth Votecount

:

(

AKA, the "v, f, what's the difference?" votecount

)

Nachomamma8 - 4 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty)

Oversoul - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)

BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Cephrir, EddieFenix)
Red Ryu - 2 (Oversoul, Thor665)
Cephrir - 2 (fuzzybutternut, BeautyAndTheBeast)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Bulbazak - 1 (Om the Destroyer)
Om the Destroyer - 1 (Bulbazak)

Not Voting - 9 (Mac, Syryana, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

AngryPidgeon did a votecount on page 25.

Spoiler: important bit of post 601

There is a mod-edited votecount on page 26.

Spoiler: Post 625

Bacde · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 4:39 am

In post 666, Nero Cain wrote:yuck. Other than myself all the town reads blow. AK with a town lean?

also why is there not a "confirmed town" slot w/ bacde in it

Bulbazak · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 4:52 am

In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 657, Bulbazak wrote:First, I was just noting it for future reference. If I was full on attacking you, you'd know it.
Cool, I'll note this for future reference too. Btw what future reference would that even be for?

Twofold: 1.) Anything I find strange or scummy I point out for the benefit of the entire town. 2.) It also serves as a handy reference point for any time I review my ISO and the case against you.

In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote:
Second, the difference between someone declaring V/LA and your post is that you essentially said "I can't talk to HD. Not going to say anything else.". There was no point in saying any of this, as you could just as easily have messaged HD via PM. This was posting for posting's sake.
I don't even know how you managed to get 'Not going to say anything' from 'We might not be on the same page for at least a day'. At least get your facts right.

So arguing semantics rather than the major point of the quote. This makes you less scummy how?

In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote:
Third, this is a deflection. I'm sure you can find several useless posts in pre-game, but once the game officially started, I've tried to keep my posts somewhat game related.
Right now is my pregame thanks. I hope you realise I've openly stated that I've barely read any of the game. However I don't particularly need to. Also :meta reasons: useless posts are a frequent pastime of mine.

Translation: "I'm going to be a useless lurksack."

In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote: Fucking lol. Please, tell me why we're even scum in the first place. Your arguments aren't even scumtells.
Useless posting isn't a scummy thing unless it's done repeatedly (and I've only been in this game for a day). Informing people about things like activity and potential dissonance isn't a scummy thing either, it's just being fucking informative. Attacking someone who is easily perceived as anti-town doesn't even say why the fuck we're scum. If someone is perceived as anti-town, you'd vote them, otherwise you won't get anywhere. Just because they have a history of looking anti-town doesn't mean they aren't scum. Your chainsaw defense of B&B is meta-related without any evidence to support your statements. Not to mention that you've tried to discredit us multiple times too....

Full case coming later today.

In post 660, Cephrir wrote: Post 657 is complete trash.

How is it "complete trash"?

In post 661, Om the Destroyer wrote:Also I'd kinda like to know why I'm definitely scum compared to OS when:
According to you, I'm scum because: Useless posting and attacking someone you think is town for meta reasons.
According to you, OS is scum because: Bad knee-jerk reaction to RVS vote, backpedaling, contradicting claims, suspicions on trying to use claim to gain townie status and he hasn't said very much at all.
(Note: I don't exactly support the OS wagon right now (nor do I entirely oppose it), this is just my interpretation of his reasons for suspecting either of us)

Like seriously wtf? If you're going to attack OS for a bad knee-jerk reaction to a vote then I'm pretty much going to do the same for you, only in your case there wasn't even a vote before you started reacting terribly (as evidenced by your P-EDIT).

~Pertayter

Translation: "Why aren't you still attacking the scummier Oversoul? Seriously, look how scummy he is!"

In post 663, Slandaar wrote:
In post 658, Bulbazak wrote: That'd normally land him in the same area of initial suspicion as Om,
Why? because he doesn't play as well as you think he should when you have no idea how he normally plays? and because of this he would be 'definite scum'?

No, my "initial suspicion". Majiffy is a prominent player on the site, and Om's reaction to him was strange, as I'd think they, or at least HD, would be familiar with his meta. This was enough to raise an eyebrow. It was the same thing with Cephrir. Om didn't reach "definite scum" status until later, after doing some genuinely scummy things.

In post 663, Slandaar wrote:
In post 658, Bulbazak wrote: but I took a look at his wiki, and he has a win:loss ratio of 4:10 as town. That keeps him effectively in the null/scum area for now until I see something more conclusive.
So, your whole argument was hes experienced and not playing how you would expect someone of that experience to play, you then find out hes not very good as town (or I assume thats what you are suggesting your conclusion is) and so hes still leaning scum for not playing well even though he is matching his own meta or how you perceive it (of not playing well)?

The whole experience question was why I checked out his wiki in the first place. It was there that I found his win/loss records. This made me think that he just might be making bad arguments, and, therefore, was not necessarily scummy. However, I'm not going to dismiss any earlier inclinations that he might be scum, just because of stats, as I have no clue whether this is his town play or not. All it did was keep him from going into the scum section.

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:06 am

In post 666, Nero Cain wrote:yuck. Other than myself all the town reads blow. AK with a town lean?

Holy fuck this so much.

I'm giving Nero a weak townread just for having this reaction.

~

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:17 am

Bulbazak, Red Ryu, B&TB, Syryana...

You four may proceed to bus each other now, kthx. If there's a fifth scum it might be Amethyst Kitty? IDK.

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:17 am

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:35 am

HD, like to give a reason why we are possible scum? You too Nero.

Bacde · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 7:39 am

In post 673, Amethyst Kitty wrote:HD, like to give a reason why we are possible scum? You too Nero.

Well for one you are wondering why you are a possible scum

everyone is a possible scum

even me

and I'm confirmed town