NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #275 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:31 am

In post 272, Om the Destroyer wrote:How do you get Om from ? Not to mention the fact I've referred to Om in the third person at least once

Oops, I am not use to see you in hydra lot...

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #276 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:32 am

In post 275, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 272, Om the Destroyer wrote:How do you get Om from ? Not to mention the fact I've referred to Om in the third person at least once
Oops, I am not use to see you in hydra lot...

Well get used to it.

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Nachomamma8 · Post Post #277 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:33 am

In post 273, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 271, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 266, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 260, Slandaar wrote:Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?
what are you even talking about here
Reference to an old game.

Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
B&B, the skull stands for Destroyer.
okay.

why are you telling me what the skull stands for

For some reason I thought you were the one who got them confused.

In post 274, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 271, Nachomamma8 wrote: Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
No.

Even if there are a majority of people who think it's a good idea?

mastin2 · Post Post #278 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:34 am

Third Votecount

:

(

AKA, the "Geez, you guys are fast" votecount

)

Oversoul - 5 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Nero Cain, Cephrir, Bulbazak)

Red Ryu - 2 (Oversoul, Om the Destroyer)

Not Voting - 17 (Mac, DLG, roflcopter, EddieFenix, Thor665, Red Ryu, Syryana, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, fuzzybutternut, Rondar, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast, ArcAngel9)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

mastin2, the moderator, is recovering from a broken-laptop-induced V/LA.
Searching for a roflcopter replacement.

Spoiler: changes from last votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #279 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:36 am

CTD is also tentative town for the massclaim suggestion, especially if it goes through. I wouldn't go as far as confirmed town or a strong town read, but it's fairly townish I think.

Let's summarize reads (in no particular order):

TOWN:

Om the Destroyer
roflcopter-slot
Thor
Cephrir
CrashTextDummie (weak)
Oversoul (weak)

SCUM:

Red Ryu
BeautyAndTheBeast

P-Edit: Mastin, you're doing pretty well yourself considering how much stuff you put on those votecounts.

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<<< Actually not as hard as you'd think. And would be better if I had the time for flavor. >>>

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #280 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:40 am

In post 272, Om the Destroyer wrote:Thor

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as far as I have noticed, majiffy and thor are always like that in games. if it were just me, thor and I would probably be arguing right now

how is what we have done "buddying" when thor sheeped our vote? how did we "buddy" exactly?

eta: your list sucks

Bulbazak · Post Post #281 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:41 am

In post 277, Nachomamma8 wrote:[
In post 274, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 271, Nachomamma8 wrote: Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
No.
Even if there are a majority of people who think it's a good idea?

Yes, I will not claim as part of a massclaim. I seriously hate it that much. I understand that I may die because of it (see Newbie 1337), but at least that leaves something secret and unknown to scum (Tracey was right in this regard, and she should not have claimed during Amurika Mafia.).

Desperado · Post Post #282 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:45 am

I support a mass claim.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #283 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:48 am

Whoever pushes for mass claim at this moment will be treated as guilty for role-fishing, and charged for being anti-town as hell, and be considered as fundamental scum.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #284 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:50 am

In post 282, Desperado wrote:I support a mass claim.

What? are you serious?
Explain how the mass claims helps on DAY 1? freaking day 1?
you realize, scum going to lie to your face.....and it won't make a freaking difference...

ISO · Post Post #285 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:51 am

I wouldn't go that far (@283). I'm not stubborn enough to refuse to claim if it's going through anyway, but I'm pretty sure I'm against it. I suppose Oversoul's information was useful after all, because I would abstain otherwise, lulz.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #286 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:51 am

In post 281, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 277, Nachomamma8 wrote:[
In post 274, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 271, Nachomamma8 wrote: Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
No.
Even if there are a majority of people who think it's a good idea?
Yes, I will not claim as part of a massclaim. I seriously hate it that much. I understand that I may die because of it (see Newbie 1337), but at least that leaves something secret and unknown to scum (Tracey was right in this regard, and she should not have claimed during Amurika Mafia.).

But leaving things secret in a massclaim is not that important, especially so early on. Scum won't care about your role when they have plenty of other power roles to go through; meanwhile, the scum we can catch will be hiding behind your refusal. It doesn't help anyone if you refuse to massclaim but don't stop the massclaim; in fact, that's pretty much the most anti-town way you can respond to the plan.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #287 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 10:55 am

In post 286, Nachomamma8 wrote:But leaving things secret in a massclaim is not that important, especially so early on. Scum won't care about your role when they have plenty of other power roles to go through; meanwhile, the scum we can catch will be hiding behind your refusal. It doesn't help anyone if you refuse to massclaim but don't stop the massclaim; in fact, that's pretty much the most anti-town way you can respond to the plan.

I don't see if blub meant that he refuse to CC when scum uses his role, I see why he is aginast mass claim. i usually a kind of player who supports mass-claim but mass claim on day1 going to push all of us in a spinning circle jerk... I am not hoping to be in that situation which likely give so much information to scum that is not needed.

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #288 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:08 am

In post 280, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 272, Om the Destroyer wrote:Thor

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as far as I have noticed, majiffy and thor are always like that in games. if it were just me, thor and I would probably be arguing right now

how is what we have done "buddying" when thor sheeped our vote? how did we "buddy" exactly?

eta: your list sucks

In post 96, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:You must not think very highly of Thor to be saying this like this.

Obvious sucking up to Thor since this was a completely useless comment unrelated to rofl's that he was responding to.

In post 103, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Besides, if I was scum, I'd just kill him when it's opportune like I did last time I played scum against him. And I consider what you said an insult; you disputed his competency with that comment.

*snip*

If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.

More subtle, but still there, especially with that cute little white knight motivation of "Oh you insulted Thor how DARE you! RAWRGLEBARGLE"

And no, my list doesn't suck. It's a treasure.

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Desperado · Post Post #289 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:08 am

In post 284, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 282, Desperado wrote:I support a mass claim.
What? are you serious?
Explain how the mass claims helps on DAY 1? freaking day 1?
you realize, scum going to lie to your face.....and it won't make a freaking difference...

For all the reasons that Crashtest listed in his big post proposing the plan in the first place. Did you miss that?

And yes the scum are going to lie to us...how is that any different than lying to us about their role on day five?

Oversoul · Post Post #290 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:11 am

In post 286, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 281, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 277, Nachomamma8 wrote:[
In post 274, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 271, Nachomamma8 wrote: Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
No.
Even if there are a majority of people who think it's a good idea?
Yes, I will not claim as part of a massclaim. I seriously hate it that much. I understand that I may die because of it (see Newbie 1337), but at least that leaves something secret and unknown to scum (Tracey was right in this regard, and she should not have claimed during Amurika Mafia.).
But leaving things secret in a massclaim is not that important, especially so early on. Scum won't care about your role when they have plenty of other power roles to go through; meanwhile, the scum we can catch will be hiding behind your refusal. It doesn't help anyone if you refuse to massclaim but don't stop the massclaim; in fact, that's pretty much the most anti-town way you can respond to the plan.

What constitutes a majority? I can already see having like 6/7 stalwarts and then the rest claiming essentially pushing those stalwarts to claim simply because it started

Slandaar · Post Post #291 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:13 am

Ceph and Fuzzy seem like scum to me.

We won't be massclaiming just so you all know.

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #292 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:15 am

Really, Sland?

Cool.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #293 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:15 am

In post 290, Oversoul wrote:What constitutes a majority? I can already see having like 6/7 stalwarts and then the rest claiming essentially pushing those stalwarts to claim simply because it started

We won't start claiming until a majority agrees with it. If you would like, we can simply remove an equal number of stalwarts from each side, and majority of the players remaining decide. Slandaar, why don't you want to massclaim?

Mac · Post Post #294 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:15 am

I am here! 12 pages to read. a job for tomorrow, when it's not midnight.

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #295 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:27 am

In post 288, Om the Destroyer wrote:Obvious sucking up to Thor since this was a completely useless comment unrelated to rofl's that he was responding to.

rofl said that he thought that thor was blindsighted by our beauty. majiffy responded with "you must not think much of thor then".

how is that useless and unrelated

More subtle, but still there, especially with that cute little white knight motivation of "Oh you insulted Thor how DARE you! RAWRGLEBARGLE"

I think it was a valid point.

And no, my list doesn't suck. It's a treasure.

it most certainly will if you flip scum at some point. as town, no

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Slandaar · Post Post #296 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:28 am

In post 293, Nachomamma8 wrote: Slandaar, why don't you want to massclaim?

What good does confirming ~4town do when there are 24 players? Not a lot except get the PR's killed. POE doesn't work on Day 1. But the doc can protect the cop! Maybe the cop wouldn't get killed if they didn't claim in the first place?

Massclaims are a case by case basis and this is an obvious no.

End discussison.

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #297 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:36 am

you know who is being strangely quiet?

nero

Bulbazak · Post Post #298 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:41 am

In post 286, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 281, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 277, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 274, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 271, Nachomamma8 wrote: Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
No.
Even if there are a majority of people who think it's a good idea?
Yes, I will not claim as part of a massclaim. I seriously hate it that much. I understand that I may die because of it (see Newbie 1337), but at least that leaves something secret and unknown to scum (Tracey was right in this regard, and she should not have claimed during Amurika Mafia.).
But leaving things secret in a massclaim is not that important, especially so early on. Scum won't care about your role when they have plenty of other power roles to go through; meanwhile, the scum we can catch will be hiding behind your refusal. It doesn't help anyone if you refuse to massclaim but don't stop the massclaim; in fact, that's pretty much the most anti-town way you can respond to the plan.

I've let my thoughts on the matter be known and have stated emphatically that I am against a mass claim. I believe it to be detrimental to town in the long run and have repeatedly stated that not only is it a bad idea, but I don't want to be a part of it. That's the best I can do in this situation, as I can't help what the rest of the town decides to do. Now I suggest we start actually looking for scum, as the mass claim discussion has become a major distraction.

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #299 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2013 11:55 am

In post 198, DLG wrote:
In post 98, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:What town motivation exists to perpetuate RVS or even pre-RVS when we can move out of it as quickly as possible?
So, could you explain why you were perpetuating it until someone else decided to change things up?

Perpetuating?

I didn't see anything scummy, ergo I didn't act. When I did see something scummy, I did act. How is that in any form

perpetuating?

Consider yourself officially on my shitlist.

In post 198, DLG wrote: See, this isn't the way it all went down, from my point of view. roflcopter was calling you scum for your play towards Thor665. As a result of that read on you, he was giving more of a Town read towards Cephrir.

Why are you trying so hard to flip the script?

Why are you trying to superimpose scumminess onto my play? You'll note the parenthetical word - presumably - in the quote. From my POV, he was calling me scum for voting Cephrir.

In post 228, fuzzybutternut wrote:Jiffy, who do you disagree with on that list?

A number of entities. Notably Cephrir and DLG.

Reads list incoming.