NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Om the Destroyer]

on page 4

Thor is likely scum, or stupid aggro town.

VOTE: Red Ryu

"Oh hey this is either scummy or playstyle IDFK so I'm going to vote Thor anyway!"

Opportunistic as fuck right there

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[Cephrir]

I don't understand why you're so convinced someone's going to nightkill you OS

[ArcAngel9]

What makes you think this is about to be a quicklynch? He only has like 5 votes.

i have been in those situations where 5 becomes 10 votes in no time.... so don't give me that logic. And I am only alerting so that this doesn't go that that phase and end terribly bad. I hate bad lynches.

So, now can you make talk more that pertains to game subject. ?

[Bulbazak]

AA9, we're still 8 away from lynch, so it's not like we're going to be lynching Oversoul at the end of the day. I actually took the size of the wagon into account before I voted, and I felt I had adequate enough reason to do so, especially with the information gathered from d0 (I had a decent scumread on him then.). If the wagon starts reaching dangerous levels quickly, then yes, we need to take a step back and examine how and why, but for right now, we're still all right. If you have another reason for why this wagon is bad, other than speed, please feel free to speak up.

P-edit @Nacho: But the massclaim in Amurika also allowed Peregrine to escape being lynched for 2 days, because he wrote off any reason given as having to do with his name claim. He made it to Lylo because the claim gave him cover. The role and name claims became a distraction more than a help, and scum, especially Peregrine, were able to get farther than they should.

[Oversoul]

I don't understand why you're so convinced someone's going to nightkill you OS

I'm not.

I'm usually not night killed. I'm pointing out that Nacho's reasoning is borked and him declaring that I will never die is not necessarily true at all.

[ArcAngel9]

AA9, we're still 8 away from lynch, so it's not like we're going to be lynching Oversoul at the end of the day. I actually took the size of the wagon into account before I voted, and I felt I had adequate enough reason to do so, especially with the information gathered from d0 (I had a decent scumread on him then.). If the wagon starts reaching dangerous levels quickly, then yes, we need to take a step back and examine how and why, but for right now, we're still all right. If you have another reason for why this wagon is bad, other than speed, please feel free to speak up.

Exactly my point. As long as everyone understands that

[Oversoul]

I was not aware that Glork took the suggestion to another game and that they actually went through with it. Having just skimmed that game, I reject your implication that D1 massclaim lead to a scum win. They actually managed 3/4 scumlynches on the first 4 days as a result of it and with the exception of one scum who managed a somewhat creative fake-claim, all the anti-town roles were uncomfortable as fuck and uniformly claimed VT. The mod acknowledged in post-game that the scum was handicapped by the massclaim. It's actually a great example in favor of D1 massclaim.

Nhammen was lynched because he had a weird scum meta that psychologically he had followed for the entirety of his time here that caused him to get lynched.
Not the mass claim itself.

While yes, it did eventually result in the scum lynches, it also resulted in a large amount of town lynches.

3. It rules out any kind of mid-to-late game claiming shenanigans, which severely hampers the scums strategic options.

And also gives scum a road map of who to kill.

What if there are masons or other wise roles that can't really interfere or directly catch mafia? What then?

[Oversoul]

I think Bulb is probably town for that reasoning he just said

[Om the Destroyer]

page 6

rofl was towntowntown

Lots of buddying from B&B, they can be scum with Ryu. Thor is probably town. So is Cephrir I think?

~

[mastin2]

<<< Friendly reminder, I have a "when in doubt, ASK" rule in place for good reason. Assuming you're okay can get you into trouble, ESPECIALLY if it turns out you're not. >>>

Second Votecount

:

(

AKA, the "You're keeping me busy" votecount.

)

Oversoul - 5 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Nero Cain, Cephrir, Bulbazak)

Red Ryu - 2 (Oversoul, Om the Destroyer)

Not Voting - 17 (Mac, DLG, roflcopter, EddieFenix, Thor665, Red Ryu, Syryana, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, fuzzybutternut, Rondar, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast, ArcAngel9)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

mastin2, the moderator, is recovering from a broken-laptop-induced V/LA.
Searching for a roflcopter replacement.

Spoiler: changes from last votecount

Oversoul - 5 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie, Nero Cain, Cephrir,

Bulbazak

)
Red Ryu - 2 (Oversoul,

Om the Destroyer

)

Not Voting - 17 (Mac, DLG, roflcopter, EddieFenix,

Bulbazak

, Thor665, Red Ryu, Syryana, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, fuzzybutternut, Rondar, Amethyst Kitty, BeautyAndTheBeast,

Human Destroyer/Om

, ArcAngel9)

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Mac:
CrashTextDummie: Oversoul
Cephrir: Oversoul
Nachomamma8: Oversoul
DLG:
Nero Cain: Oversoul
roflcopter:
EddieFenix:
Bulbazak: Oversoul
Thor665:
Red Ryu:
Syryana:
Desperado:
Baby Spice:
Slandaar:
Oversoul: Red Ryu
Seanald:
ActionDan:
fuzzybutternut:
Rondar:
Amethyst Kitty:
BeautyAndTheBeast:
On the Destroyer: Red Ryu
ArcAngel9:

Spoiler: Voting History

On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 12:43p,

Oversoul

votes

Red Ryu

in post 202.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 12:47p,

Nachomamma8

votes

Oversoul

in post 206.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:08p,

CrashTextDummie

votes

Oversoul

in post 211.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:32p,

Nero Cain

votes

Oversoul

in post 218.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:37p,

Cephrir

votes

Oversoul

in post 219.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 02:45p,

Bulbazak

votes

Oversoul

in post 237.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 02:56p,

Om the Destroyer

votes

Red Ryu

in post 250.

[Slandaar]

Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?

[Om the Destroyer]

page 9

Oversoul wagon is meh and feels lazy, I much prefer Red Ryu

If you'd like to tell me the scum motivation for doing what's basically claiming you know there's another killing role in the game (implying another scumteam, vigilante, or SK, and I don't really know how you'd know anything except another scumteam as scum), please talk to me.

Nacho why are AD and RR town?

[Om the Destroyer]

^ ~

[Oversoul]

This activity from HD makes me think he is town.

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho: But the massclaim in Amurika also allowed Peregrine to escape being lynched for 2 days, because he wrote off any reason given as having to do with his name claim. He made it to Lylo because the claim gave him cover. The role and name claims became a distraction more than a help, and scum, especially Peregrine, were able to get farther than they should.

But that ended up happening because you guys started playing the "oh, I don't think he's scum because his name fits" game. We have no names to worry about here.

Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?

They aren't, necessarily. I became a little more favorable to massclaims with possible SKs after how that game turned out, though, but I've always been a fan of them as I said several times. I just didn't want to massclaim when I already had several strong scum suspects that were probably going to get lynched.

This activity from HD makes me think he is town.

That's stupid.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

B&B, then.
So yes.

cephir and arc

not getting the same signal as nacho, I am getting more of a mixed one

cephir is majiffy's read and arc is mine; she just reads as null at this point

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?

what are you even talking about here

[CrashTextDummie]

While yes, it did eventually result in the scum lynches, it also resulted in a large amount of town lynches.

I obviously didn't read the whole game, so I don't know why the town stopped lynching scum after D4. Fact is that the game was incredibly and unusually front-loaded with scum lynches, and massclaim helped with that. D1 massclaim very rarely outright breaks a game, but it's an excellent strategy out of the gate, and that game proves it.

And also gives scum a road map of who to kill.

If the at least 2 killing roles you claimed are in the game belong to different flavors of scum, giving them a map of who to kill is actually not that bad at all. It improves the chances of double-kills and leads to inter-scum WIFOM on the juicy targets.

What if there are masons or other wise roles that can't really interfere or directly catch mafia? What then?

The lynch pool gets reduced by however many masons there are. Masons are pretty safe from being killed as long as there are more imminent threats to the scum around and confirmed innocents become more of a hassle for them as the player count decreases.

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Why

did

you want to soft-claim pre MC-suggestion, Oversoul?

[ArcAngel9]

This activity from HD makes me think he is town.

I think that is OM....

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

page 6

rofl was towntowntown

Lots of buddying from B&B, they can be scum with Ryu. Thor is probably town. So is Cephrir I think?

~

who are we buddying exactly?

[Bulbazak]

@Nacho: Fair enough. Still don't like them.

[Nachomamma8]

Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?

what are you even talking about here

Reference to an old game.

Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
B&B, the skull stands for Destroyer.

[Om the Destroyer]

This activity from HD makes me think he is town.

I agree with Nacho, activity is not a town tell?

This activity from HD makes me think he is town.

I think that is OM....

How do you get Om from ? Not to mention the fact I've referred to Om in the third person at least once.

page 6

rofl was towntowntown

Lots of buddying from B&B, they can be scum with Ryu. Thor is probably town. So is Cephrir I think?

~

who are we buddying exactly?

Thor

~

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?

what are you even talking about here

Reference to an old game.

Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
B&B, the skull stands for Destroyer.

okay.

why are you telling me what the skull stands for

[Bulbazak]

Bulba, but are you willing to this game?

No.