Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[Cheery Dog]

blah blah some reasoning.

also hi.

I assume based on claims that mcqueen can only be on a scumteam with Riot, and I don't see that as something they'd do, so either they're both town or Riot is scum wanting mcqueen kept alive anywa, I'll consider them both town.

Now based on that and my own alighment, I have a 50% chance of hitting scum by voting somewhere else.

maybe I should read more information that just vague reads ins from before I joined. but I really don't feel like it.
Out of everyone not mentioned above, who wants voted?

[Cheery Dog]

Why were you on the reach wagon if it's as bad as yourself?

[Cheery Dog]

Well therefore the same thing is here that we don't know that you're a bad wagon at this stage, so that argument is invalid.

[Cheery Dog]

Cheery stop being scummy and vote Mit for forgetting he was supposed to think Rach was scum.

I've not fully convinced that her doing that was a scum action yet though.

I did think she was scum. I was wrong. As you are right now, for thinking that I am scum. Which is kind of what I was getting at.

what about in relation to chkflip?

[Cheery Dog]

@Cheery: A mislynch is a mislynch.

So why did you only bring up the one on Rach?

[Cheery Dog]

and the odd thing is you put both of them onto L-1. (which I don't feel like doing to you when I don't trust this playerlist to not quicklynch again)

[Cheery Dog]

@CF: 1) So, what is the argument? 2) I already responded to that, when mcqueen said it. 3) He was NOT a confirmed townie, before you made your claim. At that point he had been a mislynch hammerer.

@Jalyn: Again, voting someone who's being replaced and hammering them are two different things.

@Kmd: Meh.

And because there have already been two rushed hammers:
Claim - Doctor, N3. That was why I picked Rach's mislynch, to bring up.

I did think that was possibly the reason why you chose that one, and I feel it would have worked better had you not been on the Rach wagon, but from the little I've read in this game, I'm willing to Believe it.

[Cheery Dog]

Even if you believe it (not sure I do personally), you don't think he could have been scum planning to claim N3 doc from that point on?

Yes it's possible, but I don't think with the content you had been giving about people on both mislynches, I don't think scum would actually have done that unless they're not reading the thread.

and you're not sure if you do, when you're on the wagon and wanting someone to hammer, yeah I don't trust that at all.
VOTE: kmd

[Cheery Dog]

Meaning during days 1 and 2 I didn't talk about it. Day 3 was the first I brought it up

The day 3 mention is the mention I was talking about.

It was the page before mit called himself as bad a lynch as rach.

[Cheery Dog]

So scum chose to vote the way they did on Days 1 and 2 based on something I said on Day 3?

You're reading my post wrong. I was talking about mit's probable soft claim.

[Cheery Dog]

N4 is just a little too convenient for me.

They're within nights 1-5, what makes a night 4 stand out?

[Cheery Dog]

@Mit (or other possible night 3 docs?) who did you protect?

and night 3 cop results?

we should be able to PoE this and I don't need to develop actual reads.

[Cheery Dog]

I'm not sure I see the prohawk attempted kill, but then I guess I don't have a read on him and just see confirmed town.

Going with at least one other scum on the mit wagon, and I like cf riot's analysis there.

VOTE: human destroyer

[Cheery Dog]

Even if you believe it (not sure I do personally), you don't think he could have been scum planning to claim N3 doc from that point on?

I don't think kmd was likely bussing Mit there due to this post I voted him on, though it does mean prohawk isn't as confirmed town.

[Cheery Dog]

First, his activity has been waning, which is characteristic of early-eager scum turned complacent and tired of keeping up a ruse.

I'm too lazy to look, but given the speed of day 1 compared to what I have seen here, is anyone not actually effected by a waning activity level?
(though 7.5 to <1 is quite major even with that, I may end up agreeing with your case anyway)

[Cheery Dog]

I think the HD lynch is still a good option, my browse through his iso didn't tell me town (though it didn't give me scum either, so I'm just going to trust that's more likely as other times I've picked up him being town quickly), so I'm happy with remaining on this wagon.

[Cheery Dog]

I don't think I've actually managed a Zab town read with past games I've had with him, even though he has been both alignments against me (where as HD has only been town in completed games I've been in with him). I don't trust my meta on him as much, but I suppose if it comes down to it, I'm feeling relatively the same there.

There's a lack of interaction (at least by name) with kmd, but then it's the same with everyone else as well.

[Cheery Dog]

There are possibly more doctors that might make a successful save, so at this stage the half-mislynch that has been gained by the successful protection last night (unless it was a no kill in which case we should be taking advantage) should not be wasted while there is a chance of gaining that full mislynch (which I for one don't want to have to use, but a backup may be vital)
If we mislynch today and no saves tonight, then tomorrow is a okay time to no lynch, but not today.

[Cheery Dog]

Prodded

I'm not sure I'd call one of them scum based solely on their claims, unless Jalyn claimed to avoid having PH as conf-town.

So you agree that Mit is likely town?

[Cheery Dog]

I believed his claim yesterday, and still do, so yes I think Mit is town.

and the kmd's post near the end of yesterday that I believe was a slip means they're not partners.

[Cheery Dog]

I feel like I should listen to that confirmed town somewhat (also because N is the mod)

But before I possibly do, can I her nacho's role claim?

[Cheery Dog]

@HD: Because I think we should. We have a scum flip already. Finding both the other scum should at least be a viable endeavour now.

(someone should put at least have a vote down on one plausible scum if they're wanting others to have a partnership reads)

[Cheery Dog]

I think I've metioned that in a previous game with you, it's a self-contradictory stance to expect someone to be able to do something you're not able/willing to do yourself.

Not neccessary scummy, but it doesn't help the read of the person pushing in that fashion.

[Cheery Dog]

I'm against it sorry.

[Cheery Dog]

I'd prefer a Nacho lynch over a Mit lynch, actually I'm not in favour of Mit being lynched at all for some reasons explained slightly earlier in the day about probably not being partners with kmd.

I'm fine with any of HD/zab/Nacho and probably not anyone else at this stage.

[Cheery Dog]

All three were town. The known scum, KMD was found on the Wisdom wagon along with Jalyn. Personally, I find it highly unlikely that both scum were isolated on a town-wagon that gets night-killed that night to reveal his alignment as town. I will not lynch Jayln/Nacho today based on this VCA finding unless a substancial amount of evidence is presented as to why he is scum.

I think this possibly needs more analysing before we rule out Nacho completely as the Wisdom wagon as ebbing and flowing all of that day 1, but I guess he can be safe for today.

[Cheery Dog]

There's the option of you being scum and wanting to keep a derptown that likes to random hammer around. (which if you're scum I think is a lot more likely than claiming to save a partner)

[Cheery Dog]

I'm game to go for the Zab lynch as I said before, and thaose last two posts do look like they could be scum looking for towncred (1. saving the doctor and 2 ending a long day)

and I have nothing to convince people HD is the best lynch since I'm lazy.

VOTE: zabriel

I think the zabriel/tigerzone stuff at the start of day could actually be a weird form of distancing, but not sure.

[Cheery Dog]

Assuming you meant C rather than H, yes that's where my thoughts have put it now.

I may have to read more into the thread to determine how likely based on Riots posts it is in compasion, but it's where my money will be should we get a zab-scum flip. (also actually examine the tigerzone/zab interactions rather than going off I know something similar happened)

[Cheery Dog]

My gut from skimreading HD's ISO tells me he is likely scum, but I haven't looked any further into it.

and how both zab and HD voted each other today tells me they're unlikely teammates. I don't recall any major things done by HD than allow me to connect him to anybody either so you don't have that read at this stage.

[Cheery Dog]

Fuck it I'm bored and they're probably scum together anyway

UNVOTE:
VOTE: zab

Is that a lower level read you had compared to when you were voting zab earlier?

[Cheery Dog]

whats up whats up guys

confirmed town in the HOUSE

I take it you can't have confirmed anyone else at this stage?

Anyway since my call of the scumteam has had the around member die, and claims from yesterday with that.

VOTE: mit

[Cheery Dog]

Tomorrow if you turn out town would be better so we can have all actions performed.

[Cheery Dog]

Which is the bigger threat to scum, a doctor with an action left or a doctor who has failed to protect already?
A cop with an investigation they can gain a guilty with or one who has had their clear die?

[Cheery Dog]

Actually, if massclaim happened today, everyone would get their actions in.

mcqueen's slot claimed Night 5 Doc a while back, so we definitely have

at least

one of those.

I'd support a massclaim at this point.

I rather see them already performed.

[Cheery Dog]

Though my lack of reading this thread means I hadn't seen (or remembered if I read it as something before I replaced in) mcqueen's claim.

[Cheery Dog]

We'll still have a confirmed town alive tomorrow. (as that's really all we'll get from a night 5 cop)

[Cheery Dog]

Someone claiming night 5 cop anyway.
We can't confirm th

em

.

But since we've ctlly had Bacde's slot claim in the past, and it's unlikely there's another night 5 doc to save him, sure go for the massclaim. My (actually selfish) reasoning against it is pretty much bust by the fact mcqueen had already claimed that.

[Cheery Dog]

UNVOTE:
Let's actually get this done, half of the players have already claimed anyway and unless something magical happens with their claims nothing will happen with it, but go ahead.

[Cheery Dog]

HD, claim and popcorn out please.

[Cheery Dog]

If my soft claim when I agreed to actually doing massclaim want obvious enough, I'm a night 5 cop.

hmmm who is left? Oh right
Prohawk

[Cheery Dog]

I think I'm more inclined to say mit due to all scum being alive when he claimed and therefore in knowledge that if massclaim happened then one scum would be caught out.
I can also see jalyn not paying attention to the number of doc/cops and attempting to stop us having another clear.

But it would have to be a massive gambit if either hd or ph were scum here.

[Cheery Dog]

But then 3 night 5 doctors?

[Cheery Dog]

Actually we can just force a win here.
Lynch one of mit/nacho
I investigate the other.
Bacde protects me
Hd protects bacde
Prohawk protects the person I'm investigating.

Guaranteed Town win.

VOTE: mit
He is closer to bring lynched.

[Cheery Dog]

ProHawk, it makes sense to lynch Mit first; if he's actually town, you're confirmed town unless Nacho flips town as well

Which is what I'm wanting to check with investigating the other one.
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But prohawk is right we should double check bacde's claim first, I don't want to accidentally be able to get killed.

Anyway it still probably is one of nacho/mit

I can see what changed his mind there.

[Cheery Dog]

We just need to follow what I posted before.

The night 5 docs protect the clears (me and bacde) and whoever I end up investing (whichever of nacho/mit we don't lynch today should the game be going.

If they both are somehow town, meaning one of hd/pro is attempting a gambit on nacho/mit being the next two lynches, that will fail on me getting an innocent as the only kill choices that would work and go through are the other going through this plan.

Can you three docs confirm who you are protecting tonight on the bain of being tomatoes lynch and probable town loss on your shoulders should the person you're protecting die overnight.

[Cheery Dog]

And then we lynch either of the night 3 doc claims, I'm willing to switch votes if needed.

[Cheery Dog]

Just relooked at kmd's analysis from day 3, I'm still actually having trouble seeing him being buddies with mit.
And three fact he brought that up knowing if we followed and lynched a living player off the day 2 wagon it would be one of his team dying sends unlikely.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: nacho

And yeah I guess it doesn't matter which of you I investigate as all town will have no powers left after tonight.
I'm happy to do hd instead.

I assume you're wanting to protect me tonight then pro?

[Cheery Dog]

You're missing the fact that I'm confirmed due to me being the only cop claim alive with 3 dead cops in a game that has at minimum 4 cops in it.

[Cheery Dog]

That's why the third doctor is protecting Human Destroyer whom I'm investigating.

[Cheery Dog]

Woot for not having to actually read and still catch scum.

I wanted to use my investigation though

[Cheery Dog]

If you enjoyed this game, tell all your friends!

(especially your bff the scummies)

If you didn't, also tell your friends, but tell them Cheery Dog was modding it!

I'm not going to claim to my friends about fake modding a game.

I've got my own I didn't really enjoy to tell them about!

[Cheery Dog]

Piece of advice if I am in the game and flip town, ALWAYS do a VCA on my wagon lol...

Especially if I get lynched after claiming a PR ugggh.

That would certainly have helped us..

Dammit wisdom, that's pointing too fine a point to it

[Cheery Dog]

Though I believe that's why kmd attempted the vca.

this marks the second game I've been in to have an all town wagon on town day 1. (though I wasn't I'm this game at the time)

Zab and kmd were on chkflips wagon.

[Cheery Dog]

I have had the whole scumteam on my wagon all 3 times I have been lynched as town :p

I've had that happen everytime the whole scumteam has still been alive when I've been lynched as well. (But that's only once so far)
The other 8 times sometimes have the remaining scum sometimes not.
(and even though my wiki says I've been lynched day 1 twice, the second time still had 2 scum die before me due to mechanics)