Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[Human Destroyer]

/confirm

[Human Destroyer]

N does sound kinda like a girl's name lol

VOTE: zabriel

I'll probably end up reading him as scum later anyway, so let's just get the inevitable over with

[Human Destroyer]

Because he's always scummy.

It's really his degree of scumminess we're all waiting for.

[Human Destroyer]

Why did you sign up for this game if the first thing you were going to do was PL zabriel?

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:

[Human Destroyer]

@tigerzone:

I don't like the way you're tunneling him.

If you really thought he was a completely useless player, you wouldn't have signed up in the first place.

This policy lynch looks like something you came up with after getting a scum role PM to justify a tunnel on someone who isn't really scum and go for an easy PL.

Therefore:

VOTE: tigerzone

[Human Destroyer]

confirm. let's just get this out of the way as soon as possible, lynch zabriel as soon as the day starts regardless of his alignment thanks

that's the most zabriel's going to be posting for about a few days now, please lynch him before he gets back guys.

Don't want to lynch zabriel this early.

Really and truly, I don't want to lynch ANYONE this early. Considering, you know, it JUST started.

Looks to me that you do expect this lynch of yours to go through

So that "argument" of yours is quite invalid

Also your OMGUS is very, very transparent

[Human Destroyer]

Except your reasoning is that my reasoning is shaky.

Which it isn't. It's pretty clear-cut and sturdy.

And remind me, how is this scummier than an iffy policy lynch on a player who hasn't even done anything in-game yet?

[Human Destroyer]

fuzzy, what is

your

opinion of it?

[Human Destroyer]

What matters isn't what happens, it's what you

intend

to happen. Which is a PL of zabriel before he does anything. Which is a scummy and anti-town stance.

Scumhunting 101: It's intent that matters.

[Human Destroyer]

It is scummy.

Lynching someone before they say anything is a way to deprive town of information.

That's a scum tactic.

[Human Destroyer]

It is scummy.

Lynching someone before they say anything is a way to deprive town of information.

That's a scum tactic.

It's not like zabriel wouldn't have the chance to say

anything

until he gathers 7 votes. I disagree this is a scum tactic.

Considering zabriel's playstyle, this is actually very likely what would happen

Really, there's no basis for a policy lynch yet, and it seems to me like tigerzone's looking for an easy lynch. I'm going to repeat this question to everyone:

If tigerzone thought zabriel played in an anti-town manner and disliked playing with him, why would he join a game with him?

P-Edit: Love you too mollie <3

Now tell me why this policy lynch ain't scummy thx

[Human Destroyer]

How exactly is tiger an easy lynch?

A policy lynch is pretty much by definition an easy lynch. Why? It lynches someone for playing in an anti-town fashion, so people will agree with it. So how is

he

not pushing an easy lynch?

[Human Destroyer]

See, the main reason why his whole playstyle so far has been inherent bullshit is that anyone that is going into a game should check the playerlist to see if there's anyone in there that they absolutely refuse to play with based on playstyle.

Signing up to a game where the first thing you do is going to be "POLICY POLICY POLICY" is inherently anti-town.

Before you say something about playstyle, I don't make generalizations about anyone's playstyle until I feel I have enough experience with them to confidently make such generalizations. So to say someone usually plays in an anti-town manner, I very well expect you to prove it's part of their playstyle and not scummy.

Using that logic, I don't think tigerzone would come into a game like that; he would look to be pro-town. Therefore, I think his zab PL is complete fabrication and he's scum.

P-Edit: No.

P-P-Edit: Ironic that I happened to address that before it happened.

[Human Destroyer]

i came in here WANTING to policy lynch zabriel, but not expecting that it'd actually go through. if it went through, fuck yeah, if it didn't, then whatever.

[Human Destroyer]

No because he would've already elicited the reactions for the whole deal, meaning he wouldn't need to keep up his supposed "reaction test".

Why are you assuming it's a reaction test anyway?

[Human Destroyer]

Quick notes on players not named tigerzone and zabriel:

-fuzzybutternut gives me noob vibes, very slight town gut read
-I don't like Wisdom's defenses of tiger that are supposedly based on "past experience" with him. If one makes a claim, they have to prove it. It feels like he's just pulling things out of his ass.
-I also don't like how mollie has suggested a wagon on me but hasn't actually followed through on it.

[Human Destroyer]

You've still made a claim you haven't proven. Show me where tiger plays anti-town as town, and I just might believe you're not pulling things out of your ass.

Also, I remember from reading some of zabriel's games (I did so not-too-long ago for a different game) that he's mislynch fodder. He's an easy lynch, stop denying it.

His insistence on tunneling someone who is a pretty easy lynch before the game has even fully started is troubling; town has no good reason to start tunneling someone for their past play before anything's even happened in game.

[Human Destroyer]

tiger is an easy lynch because he's being anti-town and people who don't know him mistake that for scummy.

I don't think Tiger has any finished games yet. Meta is going to be hard to talk about.

Wisdom, you have some splainin' to do.

[Human Destroyer]

Generally when you say a vote is good

You make the vote

[Human Destroyer]

Good luck with that one. The statistics of me being lynched on day one is 0

Micro 108 says hi~

[Human Destroyer]

Did slimer just have a good idea?

[Human Destroyer]

Oh

I didn't read the setup closely enough >.>

Also ITT Proof that Wisdom is tunneling.

LAST POST FOR TONIGHT BECAUSE ARGH ENGLISH

[Human Destroyer]

Hi ProHawk!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mollie

Full post after school

[Human Destroyer]

D_O is town

Also why the fuck is this tiger wagon getting traction AFTER I get off it :l

[Human Destroyer]

I'm not sure I like Wisdom's defend everyone attitude. Does he normally do that as town?

Mollie's sticking to her RVS vote on ProHawk while expressing strong suspicions on me is bad. I also think her ProHawk scum read is OMGUSy and bad.

Also ProHawk I've started posting more in my games, I just need to get used to it. It gets harder the farther I postpone posting.

Also, I don't like the policy lynch flavor this tigerzone lynch is taking on. Yeah, his disrespectfulness was rude, but I despise policy lynches. Go check my meta if you really need proof, I hate them despite my alignment.

[Human Destroyer]

oh god you really are scum this game aren't you

Was in response to Pro's first post.

[Human Destroyer]

Do explain why her vote is still on ProHawk when we're not in RVS then

I'd love to hear it

[Human Destroyer]

What?

It makes no sense to vote for someone you don't have a scumread on, and I know mollie is a rational player.

Bringing up meta as to why she doesn't have a scumread on ProHawk is complete bullshit

[Human Destroyer]

@Wisdom:

How is it not a scum read?

She literally stated "You're scum aren't you!"

That is literally what a scum read is; thinking someone is scum.

Why are you arguing this so much? In fact, why does it matter at all to you?

[Human Destroyer]

Okay, he's made one post and you're automatically deciding he's town? How exactly does that work?

Because I've played with him as town before and this is exactly how he plays.

Duh.

[Human Destroyer]

"You're scum this game aren't you" is equal to me telling slimer "Should I get you lynched this game?"
She's trying to read him, she has not expressed any scumread.

Tell me then, why hasn't she expressed any sort of follow-through? You seem to know quite a bit about her thought processes, so maybe you know?

[Human Destroyer]

Have fun!

P-Edit: No, my problem is that you don't have any proof and that

every

defense of yours is meta.

[Human Destroyer]

Like seriously Wisdom the gist of what you've done this game is:

"lol player x is not scum because *meta point of them doing something scummy as town here*, but they aren't necessarily town either"

[Human Destroyer]

*sigh* that isn't my point

My point is that he's using these supposed meta tells as ways to completely discredit cases

when he doesn't even necessarily think the person he's talking about is town.

[Human Destroyer]

So if I play against anyone who loves meta, all I have to do is do everything scummy as town and then it goes from scummy--->null. Got it. Thanks for sharing your Wisdom. Wisdom.

Yeah this explains it best

I'm not disproving any sort of case on D_O; his post resembles his posting in his town game, so I'm calling him town. That should be pretty evident.

[Human Destroyer]

This is all beside the point. The reason she is scum is

A) She is staying out of a large heated battle between two people that are likely both town.
B) She is making jabs into the argument, without directly engaging in it.
C) She won't vote for people she claims to be scum - voting hesitance.

The fact that she claims to not know where her vote is, well that is just silly in and of itself. She didn't the last game I played town with her. She was more than confident to place votes and seemed to be very competent. And she wasn't worried about sticking her neck out.

A is something scum does often

B is something scum does often

C is something scum does often

That's not a playstyle issue; she's emitting scumtells. Trying to disprove scumtells without taking a firm stance in the actual argument makes me

Strong FoS: Wisdom.

It looks like hesitance to take a stance on his scum buddy from my perspective.

P-Edit: Because it's a post that comes from a town mindset.

Why should I wait to call someone town if I'm relatively sure they're town? It makes no sense.

[Human Destroyer]

ProHawk and D_O get the fuck off your stupid PL and lynch Mollie or Wisdom.

I'm pretty confident in both of them being scum.

[Human Destroyer]

Show me where she does it, and I'll actually believe you believe in that stance; your meta case is positively bullshit and based on the fact that clear scumtells are somehow nulltells.

What?

Posting reads does

exactly

that; it puts your thoughts out there so people can really see what you're thinking and see whether it comes from town or scum.

[Human Destroyer]

I don't do appeasement.

Sorry.

[Human Destroyer]

My god fuzzy you're thick

His post? See it? It looks like his fucking townplay. The reads look like they genuinely come from a town mindset.

My god, the fact that you find it scummy that I think D_O is town is such a piss-poor case.

[Human Destroyer]

Show me the specific examples, I can't be arsed to read through a whole game

[Human Destroyer]

I find him town for a post I think comes from a genuine town mindset.

How is that in any way scummy?

[Human Destroyer]

Show me the specific examples, I can't be arsed to read through a whole game

When I say this I mean:

-Show a specific example of A
-Show a specific example of B
-Show a specific example of C

[Human Destroyer]

Except, I'm not basing it on only meta

That post is townish without meta, meta just seals the deal

[Human Destroyer]

Your case on me still sucks, my wagon is shitty, and everyone currently on it should get the fuck off

THE CASES OF MY WAGON:

tigerzone - OMGUS
Wisdom - tigerzone is an "easy lynch", so my pushing of him is scummy.
fuzzy - Stating a town read based on one post is scummy.

Tell me where my super devious scum motivation for doing things is, and maybe I'll come back and write up a wall proving why you're wrong

Right now we should be lynching mollie and Wisdom, so the fact that we aren't doing it is bad

P-Edit: @Mitillos I got stronger scumreads from mollie and Wisdom. I also might have been tunneling...a little...

[Human Destroyer]

Oh do tell where your null read on mollie went away

I'll be happy to hear it

(spoilers: that looks like a scumslip to me)

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah you're scum together

Thanks for confirming that

[Human Destroyer]

Well you did

So I'm not really underestimating anything

[Human Destroyer]

Except you did

So you're not a townie

I can go on and on if you'd like, but we won't get anywhere

[Human Destroyer]

Hey so

no

Considering you have actually been acting scummy I have no plans to stop pushing you

[Human Destroyer]

I can't

But I think mollie's the scummier out of you two

So I'm voting my scummiest read

[Human Destroyer]

Yes.

I'm pretty sure she's going to flip scum though so it won't matter


P-Edit: ProHawk's case is actually very good. Your whole meta case without any attempt at proving it is inherently bullshit because the things mollie's doing are legitimate scum tells.

[Human Destroyer]

No

Burden of proof is on you

You need to show me where

specifically

she does these scummy things as town

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: prohawk

this is a serious vote, lol

cue for wisdom to trolleytrack on me all game

in other news I just recently learned that N is a guy, I thought he was a girl all of this time and made up this sisterly love bonding in my head for like months now so I will probably be trolling him cos he can't ignore my posts. it will be like a car accident that he can't resist rubbernecking and it will probably be the best central park game ever.

hey wisdom do you want to lynch hd?

cos I am thinking I do!

stop it about ongoing games

don't make N do something, it is hard for him

liking wisdom for town

fuzzy jesus christ can you possibly look any scummier, but I happen to know that you can

I am good for my hd vote for now

You pretty clearly support it.

Notably, with no reasoning or anything.

You make no mention of ProHawk until your "You really are scum, aren't you?" comment, then never talk about him again until prodded to

Get lynched

[Human Destroyer]

No

Burden of proof is on you

You need to show me where

specifically

she does these scummy things as town

fuck this shit

VOTE: hd

TOOK YOU FUCKING LONG ENOUGH GOD

[Human Destroyer]

No

Burden of proof is on you

You need to show me where

specifically

she does these scummy things as town

No, I don't. If you're town and have interest in scumhunting, do the research yourself.

Incorrect.

When someone makes a claim, they're the ones that have to prove it.

I.E. you.

I'm not interested in reading it because I simply don't have the time nor energy. Therefore, you have work to do.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wisdom

Mollie if Wisdom is actually WKing you I apologize for attacking you

If you're scum I don't apologize

But yeah he's pretty much scum

You probably are too though so don't get your hopes up

I mean seriously, his outright refusal to actually prove his claim with specific examples from the games he's citing, his fencesitting on mollie...it's just so fucking scummy.

P-Edit: Have I not made myself fucking clear enough?

You

have made a claim.

You

have to prove it.

I

should not have to prove or disprove your claim until after you prove it.
That is how burden of proof works.

[Human Destroyer]

THAT'S NOT HOW BURDEN OF PROOF FUCKING WORKS

YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOUR OWN FUCKING CLAIMS

I DID NOT MAKE ANY CLAIM ABOUT MOLLIE'S META, THEREFORE I HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE

YOU HAVE IT PRETTY MUCH COMPLETELY BACKWARDS

JESUS CHRIST

P-Edit:

-Avoiding major arguments between town (assuming it was town v. town) is scummy because it's a way to keep attention away from you.
-If it actually was a town v. town argument, stoking the fires distracts people from your scumminess.
-Hesitance in voting because you aren't sure how it will make you look and you want to think about it from a tactical angle; town don't need tactics, they need to find scum.

[Human Destroyer]

Linking me to a game=/=showing me proof that mollie performs these scummy actions as town

You have to actually show the specific places where she did that

Otherwise I'm forced to believe you're pulling things out of your ass

[Human Destroyer]

MY FUCKING GOD YOU AREN'T LISTENING

I DIDN'T MAKE A CLAIM, THEREFORE I HAVE NO REASON TO GO PROVE IT FOR YOU. YOU MADE A CLAIM, SO YOU HAVE EVERY FUCKING REASON TO GO PROVE IT.

SO STOP BEING ALL SELF-RIGHTEOUS WITH YOUR "OMG ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LOOK THROUGH THE GAMES I LINKED MUST BE SCUM" BECAUSE GUESS WHAT: I DON'T REALLY FUCKING CARE.

MOLLIE HAS BEEN ACTING GODDAMN SCUMMY, AND YOU'VE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO DISINTEGRATE IT WITH BULLSHIT META TELLS THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE REAL.

THIS IS A WHOLE CROCK OF BULLSHIT BEING USED BY THE SCUMTEAM TO PAINT ME AS SCUMMY.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'M DONE WITH IT.

[Human Destroyer]

My point is that the accusations are not bullshit.

They are viable scumtells that work in finding scum.

But you're too busy being scum to care and you're pushing on me for the shitty reasoning that I was pushing a supposedly easy lynch and that I won't go read a game when I'm busy playing in about 10 other games and have real life to take care of.

Even if you're town, you're far too blinded by meta for your reads to be anywhere near good.

[Human Destroyer]

[Human Destroyer]

If this town is actually retarded enough to lynch me, you make it up by lynching Wisdom and mollie, in that order.

[Human Destroyer]

I don't play to a meta lol

[Human Destroyer]

No

I intentionally change my play every game despite my alignment

I do it specifically to avoid meta tells

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah but I've said you're scummy for *reasons*

Wisdom said those reasons aren't valid because meta

Therefore he needs to show how they aren't valid specifically

I already said I'm done discussing this

FTR in M102 I remember you voting whoever the fuck you thought was scummy at the time (talking about D1 because you got culted later); during the argument between me and tigerzone this game you stayed out of it, while in M102 you went into the thick of things and threw your vote around as a pressure tool.

[Human Destroyer]

-That wasn't personal at all. I found tigerzone scummy so we were having a 1v1 and:
-You stoked the fires by interjecting with "Hey, I support this lynch, so fight harder!" without actually saying anything meaningful to the argument.
-lol

So a ProHawk that isn't posting is one that isn't right in the head

Seems legit

[Human Destroyer]

Yes.

[Human Destroyer]

Wait we're not talking about the same argument

I'm talking about me vs. tiger

You're talking about PJ vs. tiger

[Human Destroyer]

jesus christ can we plz lynch hd

If this town is actually retarded enough to lynch me, you make it up by lynching Wisdom and mollie, in that order.

[Human Destroyer]

That wasn't a frustration post, that was an extremely serious post

[Human Destroyer]

I've already found scum

I'll finish scumhunting when I get the scum flips I'm anticipating

thx

p-edit: wait wtf just happened

[Human Destroyer]

Actually Wisdom

is

scum:

If this town is actually retarded enough to lynch me, you make it up by lynching Wisdom and mollie, in that order.

Notice how he slowly starts to back off his scum read after this comment?

[Human Destroyer]

If this town is actually retarded enough to lynch me, you make it up by lynching Wisdom and mollie, in that order.

Okay, can anyone that has played with HD confirm that this hard tunneling and frustration are part of his town play? Because that's what I'm starting to think.

Are you sure mollie? I think his frustration looked kind of townish.

HD, I am town, and if you want to show me you're town, you'd better get out of your tunneling and start hunting actual scum.

tiger is right, The Puck's reason for jumping on the policy lynch looks fake.
Not that Siveure's related post looks good either.

I think we need to move in that direction.
VOTE: The Puck

Look at this opportunism to get the hell off my wagon

LOOK AT IT AND BEHOLD

THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN TRULY ENLIGHTENED MAY NOW TAKE THEIR SEAT ON THE WISDOM WAGON

Everyone else I smh at

[Human Destroyer]

idrgaf if you vote me because you're scum

sooooo

[Human Destroyer]

ProHawk no

At least join the Wisdom wagon before you go

[Human Destroyer]

^What?

No it isn't; I just never play the same way twice.

[Human Destroyer]

*facepalm*

No

"I don't play to meta" means I purposely (try to) play differently every game so people can't read me based on past games

Not everyone does that, which is why meta tells are viable in some cases

[Human Destroyer]

D_O pls be enlightened by #337

You'll thank me later

[Human Destroyer]

D_O did ProHawk explain it better than I did, if so get the hell on the Wisdom wagon

I want this lynch dammit

It will be GLORIOUS

Also CF you should lynch Wisdom too but you should read and form your own opinions first

[Human Destroyer]

so does hd's cos he is basically trying to meta me on meta he has but somehow is managing to ignore.

Bullshit.

I made one off-hand comment about what I remember of you without even putting that much stock into it; that's not a meta read.

[Human Destroyer]

False.

I didn't do anything near tunneling, kept calm the whole time (except in obvious jest), and pointed at everyone but.my scumbuddy

Here I just found 2 scum

[Human Destroyer]

Nope, you're both scum

You aren't convincing me otherwise with just saying "omg stop tunneling"

[Human Destroyer]

What's your beef, destroyer? Who's scum and why?

Are you joking

Read my ISO and all will be made clear

(It's Wisdom and mollie)

[Human Destroyer]

I've just been skimming since I went on a trip

I'll read it after TF2 sessions

[Human Destroyer]

Before I say anything, I'd just like to note that one person is using my town meta to call me town (D_O) and one is using my scum meta to call me scum (Mitillos). Make up your minds people!

I was going to do a PbPA of D_O vs. Wisdom but...lolno too long

So let's do this simply:

D_O's original accusations of Wisdom:

• Wisdom says a lot of things he doesn't really mean.
  
• Wisdom defends more people than he actually attacks, i.e. buddying.
  
• Dodging his question of "If Mollie is scum, can you read her?" and why Wisdom cut that out of his post.

Wisdom's responses:

• Claims bullshit.
  
• Says he was only shooting down bullshit accusations based solely on playstyle, but refuses to take a stance on the people he was actually defending.
  
• Answers the question vaguely with a "How should I know?"

D_O:

• Complains that Wisdom didn't answer why he cut the question out of his post.
  
• Complains that Wisdom hasn't actually proposed a way to read Mollie; rather, he just deflected the accusations on her and simply called her null.

That's actually something that bothers me. Deflecting accusations on someone, proceeding to call them null, then not really making an effort to read them looks like scum behavior.

Wisdom's #390:

THIS POST IS REALLY BAD AND HAS SCUMSCUMSCUM WRITTEN ALL OVER IT

• Claims that D_O is misrepping by saying Mollie is unreadable, yet that is D_O's opinion, so it can't be a misrep. (This is a discredit to his attacker without actually refuting anything)
  
• Asks D_O whether he thinks people can be read on meta, which is the exact opposite of D_O's point, since he thinks Mollie can't be read for this reason.
• Asks D_O to show proof that Mollie
  can't
  be read (D_O counters with a general meta look that shows that she plays anti-town regardless of alignment), although D_O had just asked him for proof that she
  can
  be read. He's dodging his burden of proof again.
  
• Says pointing out accusations against someone =/= defending them...but that's exactly what defending someone is. So now he's pretty much lying. His complaint that D_O is misrepping him is still an attack with no basis used as a discrediting tool for the skimming reader.

I don't even really need to look at the rest. #390 is all sorts of bullshit, and Wisdom's lack of even trying to read Mollie and Slimer after calling them null, is, in fact, scummy.

[Human Destroyer]

If Wisdom was town, he'd be voting and pushing D_O, the person who supposedly is making complete bullshit accusations against him, not a lurker who isn't even responding to pressure

Just sayin'

[Human Destroyer]

• Claims bullshit.

Which it was. I have not said a single word that I don't mean.

Don't have plans to harp on this because it isn't really provable so

Says he was only shooting down bullshit accusations based solely on playstyle, but refuses to take a stance on the people he was actually defending.

Which is because I defended nobody.

You

call it defending. But it's not defending exactly because I don't take stances.

Which is fence-sitting. Which is

still

scummy.

Answers the question vaguely with a "How should I know?"[/list]

Wtf is this. No. I never dodged any question or cut anything out of any post. This is a blatant misrep of D_O. I answered his question instantly.

Why would I know who can read her and who can't?

• Claims that D_O is misrepping by saying Mollie is unreadable, yet that is D_O's opinion, so it can't be a misrep. (This is a discredit to his attacker without actually refuting anything)

Maybe the term misrep does not accurately mean what I said, but his repeating "Mollie is unreadable" and using it as a fact and as an argument is something terrible. For lack of a better word, I call that misrep.

He said she is unreadable based on past games. That's not a misrep in any way.

Asks D_O whether he thinks people can be read on meta, which is the exact opposite of D_O's point, since he thinks Mollie can't be read for this reason.

Asks D_O to show proof that Mollie

can't

be read (D_O counters with a general meta look that shows that she plays anti-town regardless of alignment), although D_O had just asked him for proof that she

can

be read. He's dodging his burden of proof again.

The burden of proof was on D_O. He made an extraordinary claim that "mollie is unreadable". Nobody has to prove someone is readable because by default everyone is readable. His claim "Mollie plays anti-town always" is bullcrap since mollie does not play anti-town.

He said pretty much "Based on her meta, she's unreadable." There's a difference between showing someone a general playstyle and something that someone specifically does that they do as both alignments, which was my problem with you and fuzzy earlier. So he asked you to show him a scum game where Mollie is successfully read and lynched. Which you didn't. So.

Says pointing out accusations against someone =/= defending them...but that's exactly what defending someone is. So now he's pretty much lying. His complaint that D_O is misrepping him is still an attack with no basis used as a discrediting tool for the skimming reader.[/list]

As I explained, I don't consider that defending. It would be defending if I called them town and attacked valid reasons against them. The reasons were invalid (omg your playstyle is bad you must be scum) and I didn't call anyone town. This doesn't count as defending in my book.

No.

The objective definition of defending someone is refuting accusations made against them.

That's what a defense is.

Saying not taking a stance makes it not defending is inherently bullshit.

I don't even really need to look at the rest. #390 is all sorts of bullshit, and Wisdom's lack of even trying to read Mollie and Slimer after calling them null, is, in fact, scummy.

How do you know I am not trying? I am, in fact.

Then tell me why nearly all of your interactions lately have been with your accusors and, in fact, not Mollie nor Slimer?

There are 2 possibilities. Either you're still biased as fuck and still tunneling on me, or you're scum. My exchange with D_O should tell you I am town after all these illogical statements D_O pulled off ("omg mollie is unreadable") and after all his misreps, but no, you found them all reassuring that you're right and that I'm scum. This doesn't look too good for you.

Or you're just mad that you're caught and trying to paint me as someone that shouldn't be listened to.

P-Edit: This post is so much bullshit lol

Firstly, he just let it slip that he knows I'm town even though he said in his previous post that he was considering me as possible scum

Secondly, he's trying to justify a vote park on a lurker instead of someone who is making a supposedly bullshit case against him. That's scummy because it means he's unwilling to engage D_O and keeps insisting that he must be tunneling town to make excuses not to engage.

[Human Destroyer]

Someone asked why I think D_O is town

His play is very similar to this game FMPOV

[Human Destroyer]

Agree with Wisdom, HD's Tiger vote is easy lynch.

The only response I have for this is "No u". So no u

HD (129) discrediting Wisdom and giving cutsie smiley face excuses rather than defending self or pursuing target.

So I'm going to go defend myself from claims of me being scum from things that aren't scumtells, when the person who called it out in the first place realized it wasn't a scumtell too?

Yeah, have fun with that.

HD (187) Acts upset (or w/e, emotion, call it what you want) about Tiger wagon gaining steam after hopping off but doesn't get back on. Probably worried about looking too eager. I feel if town he'd just be happy his suspect is gaining attention and push.

Pretty sure I was looking for Wisdom and mollie lynches by this point; was no longer interested in tigerzone, and I also didn't like the policy lynch flavor it was taking on.

HD (210) He is an echo. His opinions are not original.

Mk. Show me exactly one instance of someone else saying each thing I said in that post.

Couldn't find it? Exactly.

HD (242) Reads as faux confidence. I don't think his reads are really this strong.

They are actually. I always have strong early game reads like this.

Wisdom (327) First scummy post he made imo. Right after Mollie votes him, HD is also voting, not sure who else, but decides to play the "Hey guys, don't forget the lurkers" card which is huge cop out. He's right, and the lurkers are lurking, but the timing of the post is suspect.

Ding ding ding, you're a winner.

(p16) d_o town-vibes.

So I'm not the only one that sees it? Good.

If Wisdom is scum, Mollie-scum buddy? If Wisdom is town, HD scum? D_O scum?

Most likely yes to the first one, no to the second and third one.

Calling D_O scum if Wisdom is town is odd considering your general townvibes you seem to be getting from him. Is the associative tell that strong to you?

P-Edit: I know but someone asked again, I think it was Kmd

[Human Destroyer]

^^^ @Mod: Can you fix those quotes please?

I don't know how you managed to fuck up so bad. ~N

[Human Destroyer]

D_O is town despite your alignment

I seriously don't think the associative tell is as strong as the objective townread I have on him

[Human Destroyer]

You didn't seem to have a problem when Mitillos did that to call me scum. Noted.

Anyway, his posts also give me a general townvibe too, so it's not like it's

just

meta.

[Human Destroyer]

I never attribute a specific aspect of someone's posting to a townread I have on them.

Pretty much, I look at a post, and my gut says "This is pretty much town"

[Human Destroyer]

#399 and #512 do in particular jump out at me as town though if you need me to go to the specific post level

[Human Destroyer]

You didn't seem to have a problem when Mitillos did that to call me scum.

Tell me, Wisdom, why is it that you allow Mitillos to read me based on one game

he didn't even play

and you don't allow me to read someone based on a game I

did

play with them?

Double standard much?

[Human Destroyer]

Right now, my gut is telling me to

Unvote

Vote: HD

His play is reminding me of how he was in one of the games I stalked (one of the recent Newbie games, I think). He was scum in that one.

@Disturbed: Yeah, sorry, I do that sometimes. I'm saying I think those are null-tells (defnesiveness, OMGUS). And no, I haven't played directly with HD, but as I said, his play here reminds me of one of his scum games, that I watched.

@Hawk: Good luck.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh you found it

P-edit is broken apparently

[Human Destroyer]

Actually, you are wrong.

His question was specifically asking each person if they figured they could read mollie, and

if they couldn't

, we should policy lynch her.

[Human Destroyer]

"How are you going to know if she got a scum role in this game?"

Asks how people are going to be able to read her.

"If you can't read her, then she's just a liability and needs to go. End of story. "

The "if" is there for a reason.

If

people don't have a way of reading her and she plays anti-town, she should be lynched on policy.

ANALOGY:

How do you know if today's going to be sunny or cloudy?

If you don't have a way of figuring it out, there's no use trying.

The "If you do have a way..." sentence is implied by the nature of the question, since it makes the second sentence null.

Comprendes?

P-Edit: I allow others to do policy lynches, I just don't promote them nor get on them (Lynch all Liars is an exception).

[Human Destroyer]

He wanted to know if and how you could read her

You answered "Are you proposing a policy lynch on her?"

That's definitely not an answer.

P-Edit: lol Zabiano

[Human Destroyer]

I mean don't get me wrong it's all fine and dandy you asked the question

It's the fact that you really procrastinated answering the actual question is what D_O is finding scummy

[Human Destroyer]

Well, actually it does make sense. Let's have a flowchart:

ProHawk calls out 3 things he finds scummy from Mollie-->

You proclaim them to be null tells based on meta-->

D_O asks if and how Mollie can be read because he realizes she plays a scummy town game

That's actually a pretty normal thought process

Also I don't care how you interpret the meaning of the question, really you should answer questions directly and THEN say how you interpreted it

[Human Destroyer]

Well

If someone plays in a scummy way as town, you can claim it to be null.

If doing scummy things is null, then that person becomes impossible to read (which is in a way good for them I suppose)

Therefore, he thought "Can she even be read because of this?" and asked the question

"If and how" is a very direct question btw. "If you can read mollie, how can you read her?" Like really that's a question with pretty obvious meaning

[Human Destroyer]

If Mollie plays this way every game, then why should we keep her alive?

How are you going to know if she got a scum role in this game?

I don't care if she plays this way as town, how are you going to figure out her alignment if she's scum?

Just going to bold this for you.

"How will we know if she got a scum role PM if she plays in a scummy way every game?" is what I see from that bolded part alone.

[Human Destroyer]

He's fuzzy's replacement though

[Human Destroyer]

Could

Mitillos, mcqueen, Kmd, Wisdom,

and

zabriel

please do the following:

List your scum reads in order from scummiest to least scummiest with short (1-2 sentence) reasoning as to why.

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP: Meant to say Slimer, not Wisdom. Fail.

[Human Destroyer]

Majiffy

You're almost as bad at alt-slipping as I am

Get it together guy

[Human Destroyer]

HD - Suck my balls, you jackass.

Oh god the irony

Also by Rev do you mean D_O

Because Rev isn't in this game

[Human Destroyer]

Hey folks

So I found a better wagon

You should all follow me on it

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mitillos

His vote park on me made me take a closer look at him

He's doing really well at this blending in business and the fact that he can't even formulate any sort of reason for calling me scum except for an extremely weak meta case (based on a single scum game, and my very first one on the site) is bad.

His only other scumread is Siv, an extremely non-controversial target. Should also mention that he actually has evidence for Siv-scum, but not for HD-scum, yet apparently I'm somehow more worthwhile to push. I also find it weird that he wouldn't push a wagon on a more quantifiable scumread of his that has more votes on it.

Pretty much I don't like the conservative way he's been playing and it looks like he's trying to fade into the background by attacking relatively non-controversial targets.

[Human Destroyer]

People I'm down for lynching today:

{Mitillos, Wisdom, Siv, mcqueen}

Majiffy/mollie slot has moved up to null for me.

[Human Destroyer]

Human Destroyer is annoying as fuck, don't really care what he is.

Love you too

The foreground is taken by pointless back-and-forths between Wisdom and whoever is accusing him at the time.
Conservative play is not a scumtell.
Non-controversial targets are non-controversial because they are obv.scum. Otherwise they would be controversial.

Keep trying.

1) Yes but you chose to stay out of it; you could've even tried to break it up and say "HEY! THIS GUY OVER HERE! HE'S SCUM YOU SHOULD LOOK AT HIM MORE CLOSELY!" But lolnope, you just let the argument continue. (If Mitillos flips scum I'd almost be willing to call Wisdom town)

2) Yep, avoiding treading on anyone's toes is certainly not a scum-motivated playstyle. No siree.

3) Zab already asked this, but when did you go from "Siv is too silent to be scummy" to "Siv is obv-scum"?

Your push (or lack thereof) on me is very telling; you've literally just said "lol HD's posts don't look like they come from a pro-town mindset", tried to push a weak-as-shit meta case on me, and then parked your vote there without even attempting to convince others to vote me.

Seriously, Mitillos is scum.

I got it this time.

[Human Destroyer]

No you don't you annoying fuck

ur mean

[Human Destroyer]

1) No, I didn't. What with all the bullshit happening in the foreground, I didn't have any actual scumreads. Until, you know, I voted for you.
2) No it isn't. Wanting everyone to hold to a single playstyle, specifically the one you favour, is short-sighted.
3) See above. And Siv isn't obv-scum to me, but if he's "not controversial" which was your assertion, that means that others want him lynched too.

Your case is terrible, you've got nothing except a bunch of poppycock and you're either scum, trying to go for a mislynch, because your previous attempts at this failed, or just bad at figuring out what constitutes a scumtell and what is simply confirmation bias.

Once again, keep trying.

1) Again, you could've tried breaking up the supposed bullshit and actually attempted to scumhunt...but instead you waited till it was over then just pushed a terrible case on me with nothing resembling solid reasoning. I.E. you wanted the town distracted I.E. you're scum.
2) Not wanting to tread on anyone's toes has a giant amount of scum motivation; the tl;dr of it is that it avoids giving you enemies that will end up wanting to lynch you later, since scum thinks in a purely survivalistic mindset.
3) No; non-controversial means scumreads no one will scream and attempt to murder you for. That doesn't necessarily mean obv-scum players; sometimes it means null lurkers, like it does here with your Siv read.

lol, I should try calling a case on me poppycock and see how far it gets me.

Your case on me is poppycoc- oh wait, that doesn't apply here, you don't

have

a case on me, just a terrible vote park with no attempt to convince anyone else of my supposed scumminess.

[Human Destroyer]

Also I like how everyone's catch-all defense this game seems to be "loltunneling"

(Hint: That's not anything resembling a good defense and you should feel bad for using it)

[Human Destroyer]

I like how everyone uses "Hint:..." when they want to be condescending now.

Eh, I think it's an interesting way to phrase a condescending sentence. Try it, it's pretty fun.

[Human Destroyer]

I think I see what you guys mean by too much posting

5 pages overnight wtf

You guys are lucky I'm sick in bed and have time to read all this shit

[Human Destroyer]

CF, Mollie thinks you're scum. Help me convince her otherwise by placing your vote on DO.

That's a really shittastic threat

[Human Destroyer]

Don't really feel like getting into a posting war right now because Mitillos's defenses aren't really any good so it isn't worth it

HD does do hard tunneling and iffen you want I can provide a game where he hard tunneled on me and neither of us was scum in it.

I tunnel as scum too so this is a shit reason to townread me

[Human Destroyer]

WTF????

There are one shot cops, one shot docs, and 3 mafia goons

There are no 3rd party players in this setup


VOTE: Slimer



Pedit, no Siv was being his usual lurky self bah...

EW EW EW EW EW EW

HOLY FUCK SCUM ALERT

CALL THE PRESSES

THIS VOTE IS OPPORTUNISTIC AS FUCK

UNVOTE:
VOTE: RachMarie

[Human Destroyer]

Alas, I have found a meaningful contribution to the hydra.

Check out the awesome sig.

Oh god

I died when I saw what that video was

[Human Destroyer]

Actually, she

would

have access to it, she just wouldn't have had a chance to

say

anything.

Also, that's a really stupid reason to townread someone. But since you aren't voting McTard, I invite you to place your vote on DO or Rach.

^This except really your vote should go to Rach because she's a scumbutt

[Human Destroyer]

Why are you guys always like "hey let's post heaps while N isn't here, but then stop right before the end of the page and then post heaps again"?

We're actually all collaborating in a QT

just

to fuck with you.

There should be a mafia game where we actually do this~

[Human Destroyer]

First read ... Milt

I don't want him to go away. I want him to keep talking. I want to read him more. I think he's scum and I want to get more info either to support this, or change my mind. Why are you so opposed to discussion in a game about discussion? Afraid you might make too many slips?

This quote feels very much from a Town perspective. Town want and need discussion, Scum usually want to shut it down.

Putting Milt in the Town pile...

Zabriel
Zabriel seems his towny self not his scummy self, going to double check a couple of our past games together to be sure. I have time since he is currently V/LA but leaning town for now.


Looking at Wisdom's ISO now

No Mitillos is scum

You cherry-picked a single quote and were like "LOLZ HE'S TOWN"

Zabriel whatever haven't really paid attention to him

[Human Destroyer]

For now I am placing you in the town pile because your motivations seem more towny than scummy. BTW I will say that yes my predecessor is a lurksack, but lurking is not a scumtell, town do it too. My bf is well known onsite for being a major lurker.

This is such a giant cop-out reason to townread someone (Yes I can be as hypocritical as I fucking want to be thank you very much)

Also calling something your predecessor did not scummy when no one was really saying it was scummy is a scumtell

[Human Destroyer]

HD

Going in the town pile... The amount of rage he showed feels more like town rage not scum trying to appear like town. Yes he does tunnel. Here is a game where even though he periodically voted for other people he hard tunneled me. (Bonus you get to see Majiffy, Mollie and I in this game as well.) I was Town, Mollie was Town and Majiffy was the SK. It was a Cult game.

Oh look

A shitty meta case

You need to compare with scum games too

I tunnel as scum also

[Human Destroyer]

{Fuzzybutternut/Mcqueen, SivDT, ProHawk, D_O} {Puck (Weaker read)}
Scumbutts.

{

Zabriel,

Tigerzone/CF,

Mitillos,

HD, Wisdom,

Slimer}
Townbutts.

KMD is null.

Putting Milt in the Town pile...

Zabriel seems his towny self

For now I am placing [Wisdom] in the town pile

HD

Going in the town pile...

Hey, I bet I know where this story ends.

oh fuck dat

[Human Destroyer]

-snip-

These reads??? Do you have any solid reads???? Seriously dude I could see this in a game where you are on like page 8 or something? But there are almost 40 pages here?

UGGH

Scum....

VOTE: Disturbed One

Shitty wagon jump is shitty

[Human Destroyer]

Predictable....

Bad defense...

[Human Destroyer]

It wasn't a threat?

It does kinda look like one

"Vote D_O or Mollie's gonna scumread you!"

[Human Destroyer]

I don't know who, I know I don't like the fast accumulation.

Hmmm...

RachMarie/Mitillos/Wisdom

It really has a nice ring to it, doesn't it.

Like seriously this defense of Rach is so much fail considering you can't even find a person that got on the wagon who's particularly scummy

[Human Destroyer]

Except I said she's already got a scum read on him.
Kind of hard to demand ransom when you've already told everyone you shot the hostages.

Okay then maybe it's more of a bribe?

"Vote D_O and Mollie will townread you!"

?

[Human Destroyer]

I think I see what you guys mean by too much posting

5 pages overnight wtf

You guys are lucky I'm sick in bed and have time to read all this shit

do you know what is awesomely ironic about this post?

hd then posts 12 more times

^_^

[Human Destroyer]

I don't like the speed of this wagon too much. Looks like a good chance for scum to hop on a lynch most people support.

This looks like you're trying to form a defense based on wagon speed. Am I correct?

[Human Destroyer]

Well for starters the "I never claim a PR as scum" is blatant self-meta WIFOM

[Human Destroyer]

If I were to just base it on the Wisdom NK, chkflip and/or Mitillos are scum. Maybe add mcqueen to that.

VOTE: chkflip

Largest wagon is largest, my D_O townread was slowly eroding all day, plus that Rach quickhammer sucked.

[Human Destroyer]

ProHawk can you link me your case to Kmd? I'm too lazy to go find it myself, but I remember you making it.

[Human Destroyer]

It isn't that I don't read

It's just that I was too lazy to go dig it up again

Can you give me your thoughts on posts from Kmd after that point and/or not related to attacking you in some way, shape, or form?

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kmd

[Human Destroyer]

In general order of strong->weak

{Fuzzybutternut/Mcqueen, SivDT, ProHawk, D_O} {Puck (Weaker read)}
Scumbutts.

{Zabriel, Tigerzone/CF, Mitillos, HD, Wisdom, Slimer}
Townbutts.

KMD is null.

Checking for a pattern in the Wisdom nightkill now...

[Human Destroyer]

Oh

Wow

Both people suspected mcqueen

I WONDER

VOTE: mcqueen

[Human Destroyer]

Cue mcqueen's dismissing of NK spec as WIFOM right abouttttttttttttt now

P-Edit: lol

[Human Destroyer]

Oh

Wow

Both people suspected mcqueen

I WONDER

VOTE: mcqueen

I seriously doubt all three scum decided together to kill players who suspect mcqueen specifically unless the other two are playing fucking flawlessly. Do you think this is possible/likely?

It's a stupid move as scum, I agree, but the pattern is starting to show; when it comes to nightkills, 1 is WIFOM, 2 is a pattern, 3 is when it usually gets to the point where you can't ignore it.

Quite frankly, the Wisdom kill makes no sense from anyone except mcqueen or chkflip, who flipped town. BATB makes more sense from a few more people's perspectives, but even they had some suspicion on them, so it makes no real sense. There are far more people that don't really have suspicion on them that aren't dying, and I find that weird, so it looks like mcqueen is trying to take out the people that suspect him.

[Human Destroyer]

Names pls.

You, me, ProHawk, zabriel, slimer, maybe Jalyn

The latter three would make pretty good information-less kills too

[Human Destroyer]

I would argue you and Jalyn were called suspect by more people than B&B and ProHawk was roughly equal, but that aside, I don't see why your paranoia of these townish people being alive leads you to vote McQueen since... ya know, he's not on this list.

mcqueen isn't a paranoia vote, the Wisdom kill only makes sense from him and the BATB also makes sense from him.

[Human Destroyer]

50 pages for day 1 and 5 for day 2? The fact that if you average them out you get a reasonably count does not make it reasonable. Sorry for not making it in day 2, Sunday and Monday are my busiest chore days. Speaking of which, I'll be around for a few more hours today and then will have limited time until Tuesday, probably.

What if I want to vote both wagons, because I think they're cross-bussing scum?

Vote: chk

His responses are not convincing. Also, "Rach is never helpful"? We had that PL crap yesterday already.
That's L-1, incidentally.

@CF: Fair enough, I suppose. And no one else has piqued your interest, at all? Seems unlikely.

@queen: And he asked to be replaced. His replacement would most likely have claimed; most players do, when at L-1.

Why would you put him at L-1 when he'd already requested to replace out? I understand the point of looking at the person that hammered, but it sits wrong for me to vote for someone bringing them that close to a lynch and then calling foul because the next person didn't wait to see what the replacement said.

VOTE: Mitillos

When mcqueen flips scum

You're next

[Human Destroyer]

No. When I'm Scum, I don't kill people because I don't like them.

The point is that you would kill people that suspected you, not people you didn't like.

[Human Destroyer]

All you can do is beg, so...?

You think I'm actually begging. Are you a dumbass, or what?

I'm not going to lynch myself.

...

God damn it,

SOMEONE FUCKING LYNCH THIS PIECE OF SHIT!!!

I literally refuse to believe this is anything remotely resembling bussing

[Human Destroyer]

What do I do?

SLIMER

Be a good slimer

and lynch mcqueen

[Human Destroyer]

mcqueen/Jalyn/kmd

This is real

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:

Way to crush my dreams man

[Human Destroyer]

IMO Kmd and ProHawk are not scum together

Neither are ProHawk/Mit; on second glance Mit doesn't look like the mcqueen counterwagon it claims to be

If ProHawk flips scum I'd definitely look at Jalyn

[Human Destroyer]

ProHawk you were buddying me all game weren't you

Dammit I fell for that so hard

[Human Destroyer]

ProHawk/Jalyn/{zabriel, slimer}

VOTE: ProHawk

[Human Destroyer]

Sorry no I'm stupid

Real scumteam is ProHawk/Mitillos/slimer

I apologize for that original scumteam guess.

[Human Destroyer]

Hmmm

CF Riot

Slimer or Kmd

Pick one

[Human Destroyer]

Human, how many names you gonna throw out as scum today?

As many as I have to.

[Human Destroyer]

I'm already voting him silly.

[Human Destroyer]

I think I'm going to give the votecounts in this game some pretty colors tomorrow.

Fun, yes?

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mitillos

I'll take some of that wine. I have an immunity to poison.

[Human Destroyer]

Soooo...

Someone gonna hammer?

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah Mit would be town now.

Conf-town list:

Mitillos
ProHawk
Bacde

I guess CF Riot gets townpoints for claiming cop at a weird time too.

Leaving:

Cheery
zabriel
CF Riot
Jalyn

My reads have been fuck all this game so

VOTE: zabriel

Sheepity sheep sheep

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP: I listed CF Riot twice. He's not in my lynch pool today FTR.

[Human Destroyer]

CF Riot, that wagon analysis is really bad.

Firstly, ProHawk was a townread of mine D2, I liked his case on Kmd, and therefore sheeped it.

D3, ProHawk became a scumread. Why would I vote with my scumread if I think they are scummier than the person they are voting? It makes no sense from a perspective of ANY alignment.

Like seriously, that wagon analysis tells pretty much 0 about my alignment.

[Human Destroyer]

"Dude, that wagon analysis doesn't work, voting Kmd would've made no sense FMPOV where my reads were."
"Nope, I'm ignoring everything you say and pushing my crappy wagon analysis case."

Fun talking to you.

[Human Destroyer]

Here's the thing though, if you're scum, then you can make your reads whatever you want them to be to benefit your team. So like, if you thought maybe I should try to keep Kmd alive today, you could change your read on ProHawk to give yourself a reason to vote someone else. Plus you basically just said, "I thought Kmd was scummy, but I also thought ProHawk was scummy, so I voted Mitillos." That doesn't make you look good when Pro and Mit are probtown and Kmd is deadscum.

I said ProHawk/Mitillos/3rd person scumteam

Look at my reads again. I have ProHawk as town Day 2, and like his case against Kmd. Therefore, I sheep it. ProHawk looks considerably scummier with CF Riot and Bacde both being prob-town. Since his most probable scumpartner is Mitillos and Mitillos has the bigger wagon, plus Mitillos is objectively scummier, AND has been a scumread since D1...why WOULDN'T I be on the Mitillos wagon?

Read m0ar

Hey HD, why Zab?

I'll answer that question with a question. Why

not

Zab? He hasn't exactly been the embodiment of pro-town play, and you'll see his vote on me is actually pretty shitty (although that's a post-vote reason).

[Human Destroyer]

wat

I just posted here I swear

[Human Destroyer]

Spread a little thin HD?

Maybe

[Human Destroyer]

I wish you luck.

It's not easy.

[Human Destroyer]

Prodded

I'm not sure I'd call one of them scum based solely on their claims, unless Jalyn claimed to avoid having PH as conf-town.

[Human Destroyer]

@HD: Who is zab's remaining partner?

I haven't started looking yet. Why do you ask?

[Human Destroyer]

Prodded

I'm not sure I'd call one of them scum based solely on their claims, unless Jalyn claimed to avoid having PH as conf-town.

So you agree that Mit is likely town?

At this point? Yeah.

[Human Destroyer]

It's late game, I'm tired, I'm kind of just ready to lynch somebody and see what happens.

Meh this is sort of the way I feel too

How about we just lynch zabriel and go from there

[Human Destroyer]

^That was a really scummy post

Consider this an intent to hammer

[Human Destroyer]

^That was also a very scummy post. If you think I'm scum, you should be voting me, not asking others to vote me first, so you can hammer.

You're already at L-1

What are you talking about

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Mitillos

Awkward

[Human Destroyer]

Isnt Riot conf-town though

[Human Destroyer]

Oh, I'm a sillypants.

[Human Destroyer]

but he has since lost interest and has retreated to the side-lines.

yeah pretty much

(prod dodge?)

like this game is sorta boring to me

my early reads were horribly wrong and I still haven't been able to recover from it

[Human Destroyer]

Fuck it I'm bored and they're probably scum together anyway

UNVOTE:
VOTE: zab

[Human Destroyer]

How is he going to claim if he isn't here and probably won't be coming back

[Human Destroyer]

Like I'd agree with you had this not been a player who lurked out and who no one seems to want to replace

Sooooooo

[Human Destroyer]

no not really

mit just went higher

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: Mitillos

Easy win is easy.

[Human Destroyer]

VOTE: HD

You been goin after easy stuff all game HD. Lets get on this.

Because becoming disinterested in a game is entirely exclusive to scum.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh wait, lets see this WHOLE string, cause it is scummy as all get out. ESPECIALLY when you see who you switched your vote to and never returned to.

If I were to just base it on the Wisdom NK, chkflip and/or Mitillos are scum. Maybe add mcqueen to that.

VOTE: chkflip

Largest wagon is largest, my D_O townread was slowly eroding all day, plus that Rach quickhammer sucked.

Easy wagon is... easiest. Amirite HD?

ProHawk can you link me your case to Kmd? I'm too lazy to go find it myself, but I remember you making it.

I feel like people aren't reading a word I am saying **sigh**

He isn't scum cause he is a lurk-sack. Click on the link and feast upon my words.

...at least you're consistent I suppose.

It isn't that I don't read

It's just that I was too lazy to go dig it up again

Can you give me your thoughts on posts from Kmd after that point and/or not related to attacking you in some way, shape, or form?

Completely ignored anything I said. Is just skimming and taking it easy, which isn't scummy in and of itself, but when combined with the crap he wrote against me earlier, it makes sense as scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kmd

...this isn't scummy, this is me seeing if the Kmd wagon is worth my while.

[Human Destroyer]

And yet I was the zabriel counterwagon and I'm not scum?

[Human Destroyer]

I phrased that incorrectly.

Yet I was the zabriel counterwagon, and I'm still scum?

[Human Destroyer]

Early Day 4

Counter to zabriel

[Human Destroyer]

Actually, if massclaim happened today, everyone would get their actions in.

mcqueen's slot claimed Night 5 Doc a while back, so we definitely have

at least

one of those.

I'd support a massclaim at this point.

[Human Destroyer]

Not really.

If everyone wants me to go first, I'll go first.

[Human Destroyer]

What, are you another VI who wants to prove he's right by lynching himself? I'm coming across many lately.

I'm not trying to prove I'm Town or Scum. I'm trying to prove something else. And I honestly feel the only way to do this is by lynching myself. Besides, even if I somehow live until then, I doubt we'll make it to the point where I'll get to use my role, anyway.

I'm a Night 5 Doc.

Here you go.

[Human Destroyer]

Night 5 Doctor

!!!

Popcorn to Cheery I guess?

[Human Destroyer]

ProHawk, it makes sense to lynch Mit first; if he's actually town, you're confirmed town unless Nacho flips town as well

[Human Destroyer]

I would rather lynch scum today than mis-lynch and lynch scum tomorrow.

I think Mit

is

the last scum though

And even on the off chance he isn't, his town flip would give us a confirmed town more than Nacho's.

[Human Destroyer]

Mit would have confirmed you as town if he was town.

Jalyn protected Bacde, who is already confirmed town.

P-Edit: It's still possible, I just find Mit more likely now that he's no longer conf/likely town.

[Human Destroyer]

This is the only post and the only evidence/case you have against Mit.

You mean other than the latter half of Day 1 where I attacked him nearly the whole way through, right?

[Human Destroyer]

Well now it's PoE.

It doesn't matter anymore, this is autowin. I'm not really gonna bother digging everything up right now if it's going to have no purpose.