Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[ProHawk]

Dang, I mean I'm down to lynch riot now but if he flips scum I'ma have to start taking this game more seriously

Is it just me or does this not make much sense?

[N]

Vote Count 4.09

Mitillos

( 3 ) Nachomamma8 , CF Riot , Human Destroyer

ProHawk

( 0 )

Bacde

( 0 )

Cheery Dog

( 0 )

zabriel

( 2 ) ProHawk , Mitillos

CF Riot

( 0 )

Nachomamma8

( 0 )

Human Destroyer

( 2 ) Cheery Dog , zabriel

Not voting:

Bacde

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-03-26 06:42:49)

[Cheery Dog]

All three were town. The known scum, KMD was found on the Wisdom wagon along with Jalyn. Personally, I find it highly unlikely that both scum were isolated on a town-wagon that gets night-killed that night to reveal his alignment as town. I will not lynch Jayln/Nacho today based on this VCA finding unless a substancial amount of evidence is presented as to why he is scum.

I think this possibly needs more analysing before we rule out Nacho completely as the Wisdom wagon as ebbing and flowing all of that day 1, but I guess he can be safe for today.

[CF Riot]

From a purely technical standpoint I'm not conf town but if you use your brain, it makes 0 sense for me as scum to have stopped the mislynch on McQueen when I did unless we're both scum and even then it would've been pretty risky and not something I'm likely to do. So yeah, you should just accept that we're both town and role with it.

[Cheery Dog]

There's the option of you being scum and wanting to keep a derptown that likes to random hammer around. (which if you're scum I think is a lot more likely than claiming to save a partner)

[ProHawk]

Cheery's logic sounds pretty plausible to me... although I think there are better lynches than Riot today.

[Mitillos]

The Puck started by voting fuzzy (Bacde). He then moved to tiger (CF), after there was a wagon on him (3 other people). Jalyn replaced him and unvoted. Then, when there were 3 others on Wisdom, she voted Wisdom. Wisdom wagon lost a bit speed, but kmd joined it as well. Then everyone other than these two left it. I really don't think that the final VC clears Nacho in any way.
The only thing that casts doubt in my mind is how kmd voted Jalyn. If it was bussing it looks slightly off.

[ProHawk]

Like I said, if you want to push Nacho, you are going to have to do better than that.

[Mitillos]

I gave my reasoning for Jalynscum after I voted her on day 2 (see post 1464). Her push on me was essentially baseless (look at post 1343), her voting was nothing more than coasting (following D_O and mcqueen on Wisdom, with a scumread on mcqueen and then following CF on me, when mcqueen was still a viable scumread). I'm not sure what more you would need, when your reason for being against a Nacho lynch has to do with precisely her voting patterns.

[ProHawk]

Not voting pattern, just how the vote fell at the end of the day. Haven't gotten to any patterns yet.

[ProHawk]

Yo Mitillos, what was going through your mind after chkflip turned up as town?

[ProHawk]

After going through the more players' ISO's, I have come to the following conclusions:

HD

: There is a lot that strikes me as town, and yet a lot that strikes me as scum in this slot. He was very active and very vocal in the first day which is not often characteristic of scum, but he has since lost interest and has retreated to the side-lines.

HD's targets Day 1 (RachMarie Lynched): Tiger/Riot,

Mollie/B&B

,

Wisdom

, Mit,

RachMarie

.
HD's targets Day 2 (Chkflip Lynched):

Chkflip

,

KMD

.
HD's targets Day 3 (KMD Lynched): McQueen/Bacde, ProHawk, Mit.
HD's targets Day 4: Zab, Mit.

The biggest problem I see in HD's posts is that a lot of them seem feigned, especially his reads. He is largely inconsistent throughout the game with his reads and his votes. I am not going to go into a lot of detail here about it, but if anyone wants to see the evidence, I would be more than happy to present it.

Mitillos:

Mit's targets Day 1 (RachMarie Lynched): HD,

RachMarie

Mit's targets Day 2 (Chkflip Lynched):

Chkflip

Mit's targets Day 3 (KMD Lynched): McQueen, Jalyn,

KMD

.
Mit's targets Day 4: Zabriel

This cat is super, super cautious when it comes to voting. I don't really have much time to meta him and see if this is his normal play as town, but I generally feel gut-scum for players like this. There have also been a few scummy posts from him, especially recently. However, the vote and attack from KMD doesn't read like a bus to me, and him being wishy-washy on KMD also doesn't seem like he was trying to get any credit from a KMD scum-flip. I could be wrong though... while I would like to think that I was the person Mit saved from death, it may be skewing my view. All-in-all, as I mentioned in my VCA post, a Mitillos flip would shed some light on the counter-wagon to KMD's wagon. Another fact that is bugging me is he claimed the day before the no-kill. Why would scum chance trying to kill someone who might have been priested when they could have just killed the priest himself?

Zabriel:

<---------------------- We need to lynch this one today.

Read This Again for my thoughts on the scummy aspect of his ISO.

Zab's targets Day 1 (RachMarie Lynched): TigerZone/CF Riot, HD, ThePuck/Jalyn/Nacho,

Siv/Rach Marie

,

DO/ChkFlip

Zab's targets Day 2 (ChkFlip Lynched):

Chkflip

Zab's targets Day 3 (KMD Lynched): McQueen/Bacde,

KMD

Zab's targets Day 4: HD,

Then we get this little gem...

VOTE: DO
I'd really rather not risk having no protection tonight. I feel pretty okay about the case on DO. I can do this or Mitillos today.

I am not sure if its just me, but he sounds way too sure that Rach's claim is real, and not wanting to risk going without protection sounds faked, real faked.

And this...

Intent to hammer. Is there anything left for us to get done today?

The real hammer comes from post #1197 by Chkflip. He was more than hesitant to follow through with his threat to hammer town.

Too tired to go through Riot, Bacde, Nacho and Cheery at the moment and is a whole-nother can of worms considering they have all been replacements. While Riot has been in for a while, I am willing to ride on his claim and his result especially considering the low number of cop-claims we have he is more likely than not telling the truth. I am a little less sure about Jalyn/Nacho but still don't want to lynch that slot today. Cheery needs to put out a lot more as Slimer gave us literally nothing to work with.

I would love some help lynching Zabriel today, but if you guys can't pull through and vote Zab... I would compromise on Mit.

[Cheery Dog]

I'm game to go for the Zab lynch as I said before, and thaose last two posts do look like they could be scum looking for towncred (1. saving the doctor and 2 ending a long day)

and I have nothing to convince people HD is the best lynch since I'm lazy.

VOTE: zabriel

I think the zabriel/tigerzone stuff at the start of day could actually be a weird form of distancing, but not sure.

[Mitillos]

@Pro: "Shit, another mislynch... What the fuck, mcqueen?" Also "Damn it, I need to study for my midterms."
As for my voting, it was cautious the last time we played, too. It's how I am, irrespective of alignment.
Anyway, I'm already on zab. Can't help you much more than that.

@HD: So you're saying that it's zab with CF?

[Cheery Dog]

Assuming you meant C rather than H, yes that's where my thoughts have put it now.

I may have to read more into the thread to determine how likely based on Riots posts it is in compasion, but it's where my money will be should we get a zab-scum flip. (also actually examine the tigerzone/zab interactions rather than going off I know something similar happened)

[Mitillos]

Sorry, I meant Cheery, yes. The thing is:

I have nothing to convince people HD is the best lynch since I'm lazy.

Assuming you meant C rather than H, yes that's where my thoughts have put it now.

The second quote was saying that CF is zab's teammate. But the first one seems to say that HD is a better lynch than either?

[Cheery Dog]

My gut from skimreading HD's ISO tells me he is likely scum, but I haven't looked any further into it.

and how both zab and HD voted each other today tells me they're unlikely teammates. I don't recall any major things done by HD than allow me to connect him to anybody either so you don't have that read at this stage.

[N]

zabriel has been prodded.

I'm going to search for a replacement unless he posts before I find one.

[N]

Nachomamma8 has been prodded.

[Human Destroyer]

but he has since lost interest and has retreated to the side-lines.

yeah pretty much

(prod dodge?)

like this game is sorta boring to me

my early reads were horribly wrong and I still haven't been able to recover from it

[ProHawk]

So now... just gotta figure out if your retreat is due to what you say it is or not... also Zabriel's being replaced doesn't change me wanting him to get lynched, anyone else gonna help out here?

[N]

zabriel has requested replacement.

Deadline is suspended, I guess.

[Nachomamma8]

done reading, consider me officially engaged while they look for a replacement
mit is a great lynch and i was going to call him and HD partners but they are bussing in a stagnant fucking game so that doesn't make much sense
mit and zab is the feeling right now, but i want mit

[Mitillos]

@Nacho: So, HD is bussing me in a stagnant game and that makes no sense, but I'm bussing zab in the same stagnant game and it does make sense?

[Bacde]

oooh

interesting mit