Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

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Vote Count 1.15

Disturbed_One

( 1 ) BeautyAndTheBeast

Mitillos

( 0 )

kmd4390

( 0 )

Siveure DtTrikyp

( 1 ) kmd4390

ProHawk

( 1 ) theslimer3

mcqueen

( 4 ) Siveure DtTrikyp , mcqueen , Wisdom , Disturbed_One 

theslimer3

( 0 )

BeautyAndTheBeast

( 0 )

Wisdom

( 2 ) Human Destroyer , ProHawk

zabriel

( 0 )

CF Riot

( 1 ) The Puck

The Puck

( 0 )

Human Destroyer

( 1 ) Mitillos

Not voting:

CF Riot , zabriel

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-02-28 20:30:20)

zabriel is V/LA until 28th of Feb

[Disturbed_One]

So, I'm a bit confused as to what I'm actually being accused of here. It doesn't help that the hydra is coming at me with two different sets of accusations.

Considering they are occupying one player slot, I think it's only fair that they compile their list of accusations into one post so that I can address it all. I think that's fair.

[Wisdom]

I don't see why you can't address the accusations if they are in different posts.

[zabriel]

Compiling what they've got would mean that he doesn't have to do any legwork.

[Disturbed_One]

Note to self, oppose all hydras in the future.

Sigh, I suppose I'll type up that response then.

[Disturbed_One]

okay well weird. cos I thought you were asking other players if they had meta on me as being readable. and on slimer too.

2. Then you are either a completely irrational person or scum. What you're saying doesn't add up, there's no logic behind lynching me based on your reasoning.

^^^hd partner spotted

3. Prove it.

4. Maybe I have epically failed. But that doesn't make scum.

I love you people.

that was a serious post btw.

Indeed, as I said I do not usually play that way. The only way I did was because my read on you and slimer3 were anti-town, however I determined quickly through the general reaction to both of your posts that they are typical behavior for you andslimer.

But adaptation isn't a scum tell.

As for the rest of your posts, I demand some sort of evidence if you wish for me to respond to them.

As far as I can tell, your case on me is because I supposedly misrepped what you actually call stupid. My apologies, I wasn't aware such an insignificant factor was a scum tell.

Feel free to add any other accusations you want on that. From what I gather, that is pretty much your grand case here.

Right. On to Majiffy.

[ProHawk]

Prohawk say something game related. You still about the Wisdom wagon? Should I sheep Majiffy and vote D_O?

Have you not been reading my posts? Yes, Wisdom is still on my scum list. I don't care what you do, just make your own choices so you can't pawn them off on someone else when you are being eyed as possible scum. Nothing that has been said has either addressed my points on Wisdom, or made me want to change any of my reads.

[CF Riot]

Oh yeah, I asked you a question a while back. This.

I guess what I don't understand Wisdom is you were on a wagon (McQueen), then you let your scum-read (D_O) convince you that there were only two viable voting choices (HD or yourself), then you say you would rather be on a D_O wagon (who wasn't a wagon and still isn't a wagon) instead of keep your vote on the wagon you were originally on. If you wanted to be on a wagon, you could have stayed with McQueen.

So your reasoning for voting D_O looks contrived IMO when you started talking about wagons and comparing him to HD. It doesn't add up to me. Now you are back onto McQueen. It's quite the hopping.

Quick Prohawk, what is the scum reason for all this vote hopping?

Do this.

[ProHawk]

Did I say there was a scum-reason? My point of his scummy action is the contrived vote for D_O, this hopping is just showing the lack of conviction for his reads which only strengthens my read of his D_O vote having been contrived.

[CF Riot]

Here's why that doesn't make sense to me. Scum never have conviction about their reads, cause obviously they know it's all bs, right? But this doesn't stop them from feigning confidence or pushing their votes as if they're right because that's the basics of the game. So when I see Wisdom flip flopping between 2 people he's been engaging in conversation with for several pages, I don't really see scum motivation for doing that. Especially when we consider D_O had no votes at the time. I feel like as scum he would rather just stick to the one that either has more traction with the town, or that he feels is the safer vote which won't draw suspicion, while voicing that his suspicion of the other if he wants to set up a move to that wagon later. Now as town, I totally see the reason for flip flopping, because as town of course sometimes you question your own conviction about a read and change your mind about what is and isn't scummy about a person. Sometimes in the heat of debating with someone, your gut reaction to something they say is "OMG OBVSCUM VOTE NAO" when later after rereading with a level head you think, "Okay, that still doesn't make sense to me but maybe it's not as scummy as I thought." This is the impression I get from Wisdom's posts. He's indecisive, he's arguing 2 people he suspects, both are saying things he doesn't agree with, he votes one only to have the other say something that catches his eye, changes his mind switches his vote. All this seems like fluid townplay to me. While I do see what you're saying about him, I don't see why any of it points to Wisdom being scum.

[Majiffy]

Ok if you ever make another post without fucking line breaks I will find you and murder you.

[ProHawk]

If Wisdom is having a conflict of reads, its internal because I haven't been able to discern anything like what you are describing... do you have any evidence to support your claim?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Aww, I had such a good post about butthurt lined up, too.

Ok if you ever make another post without fucking line breaks I will find you and murder you.

So these show up in ISO.

Really hate switching accounts. So annoying to remember.

[CF Riot]

lol. I ramble sometimes. Didn't think it was actually that much text until I posted it.

Pro Idk what you're talking about. The evidence of his conflict in his reads is him changing his vote back and forth between those 2 players. You said you noticed "lack of conviction" in his reads. Is that not very nearly the same as a conflict?

[ProHawk]

@Majiffy

Use two different web-browsers.

Riot, lack of conviction reads like fake to me, not "I once believed one thing, and now that X transpired, I have changed my read." Like you are trying to explain.

[Mitillos]

@Pro: Are you saying reads shouldn't change or that when they do, people shouldn't explain why this happened? Because neither of these positions is pro-town.

[ProHawk]

No, what I am saying is people should explain why, if they don't its either fake, or an internal conflict both of which we have no way to determine. I don't recall Wisdom having mentioned any of his reads changing, he just moved-on to the next big thing.

[Wisdom]

Moving to the next thing = my vote on D_O, or my vote on mcqueen?
If the first, D_O was hardly a big thing.
If the second, mcqueen was acting scummy enough to make me confident in voting him, while I was still unsure about D_O and unsure if I had done well that I voted him.

[ProHawk]

Less about what you did, and more about how you did it.

[Wisdom]

Is there any reason I am scum other than this? Because this is really bad.

Also, who else is scum? What are your reads?

[ProHawk]

I will get to a compiled list of my reasons/other reads maybe tomorrow. My other scum-read is KMD.

[zabriel]

Why KMD over the rest of the lurksacks ProHawk?

[Human Destroyer]

Could

Mitillos, mcqueen, Kmd, Wisdom,

and

zabriel

please do the following:

List your scum reads in order from scummiest to least scummiest with short (1-2 sentence) reasoning as to why.

[Human Destroyer]

EBWOP: Meant to say Slimer, not Wisdom. Fail.

[ProHawk]

I feel like people aren't reading a word I am saying **sigh**

He isn't scum cause he is a lurk-sack. Click on the link and feast upon my words.