Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[Wisdom]

I didn't specifically say "tiger is town" in the beginning, but I said many times that his motives were pro-town and was even questioned on how I am so sure about it by fuzzy and others.
I said it clearly when I said

So we're lynching town today? Cool.

when people wanted to policy lynch him.

[Human Destroyer]

Someone asked why I think D_O is town

His play is very similar to this game FMPOV

[Wisdom]

You've told us that already in 230

[Human Destroyer]

Agree with Wisdom, HD's Tiger vote is easy lynch.

The only response I have for this is "No u". So no u

HD (129) discrediting Wisdom and giving cutsie smiley face excuses rather than defending self or pursuing target.

So I'm going to go defend myself from claims of me being scum from things that aren't scumtells, when the person who called it out in the first place realized it wasn't a scumtell too?

Yeah, have fun with that.

HD (187) Acts upset (or w/e, emotion, call it what you want) about Tiger wagon gaining steam after hopping off but doesn't get back on. Probably worried about looking too eager. I feel if town he'd just be happy his suspect is gaining attention and push.

Pretty sure I was looking for Wisdom and mollie lynches by this point; was no longer interested in tigerzone, and I also didn't like the policy lynch flavor it was taking on.

HD (210) He is an echo. His opinions are not original.

Mk. Show me exactly one instance of someone else saying each thing I said in that post.

Couldn't find it? Exactly.

HD (242) Reads as faux confidence. I don't think his reads are really this strong.

They are actually. I always have strong early game reads like this.

Wisdom (327) First scummy post he made imo. Right after Mollie votes him, HD is also voting, not sure who else, but decides to play the "Hey guys, don't forget the lurkers" card which is huge cop out. He's right, and the lurkers are lurking, but the timing of the post is suspect.

Ding ding ding, you're a winner.

(p16) d_o town-vibes.

So I'm not the only one that sees it? Good.

If Wisdom is scum, Mollie-scum buddy? If Wisdom is town, HD scum? D_O scum?

Most likely yes to the first one, no to the second and third one.

Calling D_O scum if Wisdom is town is odd considering your general townvibes you seem to be getting from him. Is the associative tell that strong to you?

P-Edit: I know but someone asked again, I think it was Kmd

[Human Destroyer]

^^^ @Mod: Can you fix those quotes please?

I don't know how you managed to fuck up so bad. ~N

[Wisdom]

no to the second and third one.

So if I'm town it means D_O town?

[Human Destroyer]

D_O is town despite your alignment

I seriously don't think the associative tell is as strong as the objective townread I have on him

[Wisdom]

And that's only because of meta?

[Wisdom]

And because

of only one game

, to be precise?

[Human Destroyer]

You didn't seem to have a problem when Mitillos did that to call me scum. Noted.

Anyway, his posts also give me a general townvibe too, so it's not like it's

just

meta.

[Wisdom]

What in his posts give town vibes other than that he agrees with your scumread (which isn't a townvibe but just satisfying your ego)?

[Human Destroyer]

I never attribute a specific aspect of someone's posting to a townread I have on them.

Pretty much, I look at a post, and my gut says "This is pretty much town"

[Human Destroyer]

#399 and #512 do in particular jump out at me as town though if you need me to go to the specific post level

[Human Destroyer]

You didn't seem to have a problem when Mitillos did that to call me scum.

Tell me, Wisdom, why is it that you allow Mitillos to read me based on one game

he didn't even play

and you don't allow me to read someone based on a game I

did

play with them?

Double standard much?

[Wisdom]

I only have to say that if your gut says "D_O must be town because Wisdom must be scum", you'll be probably wrong about both. That's why I asked you to read our exchange but apparently you didn't do it with an unbiased mind.

[Wisdom]

Where did Mitillos do that? I don't even remember it.

[Wisdom]

Nvm, found it. Yeah, if that's his only reason and he keeps pushing you for it, it will be bad.

[Human Destroyer]

Right now, my gut is telling me to

Unvote

Vote: HD

His play is reminding me of how he was in one of the games I stalked (one of the recent Newbie games, I think). He was scum in that one.

@Disturbed: Yeah, sorry, I do that sometimes. I'm saying I think those are null-tells (defnesiveness, OMGUS). And no, I haven't played directly with HD, but as I said, his play here reminds me of one of his scum games, that I watched.

@Hawk: Good luck.

[Human Destroyer]

Oh you found it

P-edit is broken apparently

[Wisdom]

So tell me HD, since you find 512 pro-town (lol)...
Do you agree that "I cut part of his post out" to be anything of importance/a tell/ something? Do you even accept that as valid?
It's probably the last time I'll refer to that because it's ridiculous but here goes;
His question is this:

@ everyone defending Mollie, riddle me this:

If Mollie plays this way every game, then why should we keep her alive? How are you going to know if she got a scum role in this game? I don't care if she plays this way as town, how are you going to figure out her alignment if she's scum?

If you can't read her, then she's just a liability and needs to go. End of story.

which in short says "Mollie is unreadable, nobody can read her, we should policy lynch her." This much is summed up in the last sentence of this quote: "If you can't read her, then she's just a liability and needs to go. End of story."
In my very next couple of posts, I quote this last sentence (which essentially has all the meaning D_O wanted to pass with this qestion), and directly answer to him "So you want to policy lynch mollie?"
To speak with quotes:

If you can't read her, then she's just a liability and needs to go. End of story.

I strongly dislike this. What, are you proposing a policy lynch on mollie now? Who said that nobody can read her?

Therefore I immediately address his question's meaning, and I have quoted the last part which sums it all up. How can he claim that I cut his question out/ didn't address his question/ dodged his question and all this stuff he's saying?

Am I wrong here? Try to look at it objectively and tell me where I am wrong.

[Human Destroyer]

Actually, you are wrong.

His question was specifically asking each person if they figured they could read mollie, and

if they couldn't

, we should policy lynch her.

[Wisdom]

That's not what his question says.
He doesn't ask "can you read mollie" - he has already determined that nobody can read her, and therefore she should be lynched. Read it and you'll see it.

[Wisdom]

Also look at his answer, he confirms that his purpose was to propose a policy lynch.

If you can't read her, then she's just a liability and needs to go. End of story.

I strongly dislike this. What, are you proposing a policy lynch on mollie now? Who said that nobody can read her?

Yes, I am.

No one said they couldn't read her, but who said they could actually read her? If Mollie plays anti-town every game, then there is no way to prove what her alignment actually is. If she got a scum-role, we'd be none the wiser from her playstyle.

[Human Destroyer]

"How are you going to know if she got a scum role in this game?"

Asks how people are going to be able to read her.

"If you can't read her, then she's just a liability and needs to go. End of story. "

The "if" is there for a reason.

If

people don't have a way of reading her and she plays anti-town, she should be lynched on policy.

ANALOGY:

How do you know if today's going to be sunny or cloudy?

If you don't have a way of figuring it out, there's no use trying.

The "If you do have a way..." sentence is implied by the nature of the question, since it makes the second sentence null.

Comprendes?

P-Edit: I allow others to do policy lynches, I just don't promote them nor get on them (Lynch all Liars is an exception).

[Wisdom]

That's not how I read it.
The "If you can read it" translates to "Since you can't read her" for me. It looks like he has already determined that nobody can, because in his mind mollie always plays "anti-town" (which she doesn't). And all that without ever having played with her.

But that's besides the point. Did I dodge his question or did I address it? Isn't "you cut my question out of your post" a bunch of crap or it isn't?