Mini 1407 (Game Over)

[Cheery Dog]

Vote Count 3.3

Rob13 (2) Lincolm, Bub Bidderskins
projectmatt (1) Master Mew
havingfitz (1) Rob13
Junpei (0)
Master Mew (0)
Bub Bidderskins (0)
Lincolm (0)
Empire (0)
DeasVail (0)

Not voting: DeasVail, projectmatt, Junpei, Empire, havingfitz

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 Deadline:

(expired on 2013-02-10 05:45:24)

[DeasVail]

I'll say again that it would really help if one of the Rob-wagon supporters could tell me why Rob basically saying that denis was town at D2 start doesn't come from someone with a cop result.

Otherwise, I'm looking at Mew maybe or Fitz (although I agree with Empire that Implosion was townish). Junpei replacement I'm looking forward to.

[DeasVail]

Sorry about the prod CD.

[Cheery Dog]

DeasVail has been prodded.

Still searching for the Junpei replacement, if you can help get people interested, please do.

pedit, That's too quick a response, I don't like it. good job, carry on (it's almost as if you were attempting to avoid it by posting as I was sending it It's still down as a prod though.

[DeasVail]

My attempt to lurk as much as I could without a prod didn't work!

[Lincolm]

I'll say again that it would really help if one of the Rob-wagon supporters could tell me why Rob basically saying that denis was town at D2 start doesn't come from someone with a cop result.

He said he have "not guilty" result. Maybe, because we don't know. What I thinking, he believe Denis is town, but also he believe Denis is Tracker.

Basically because he didn't think about Mafia Godfather. He already played 3 Normal Minis, so I think he already know about many roles.

Also this that you mention:

Based on denis's play earlier in the game, I thought he may be lying as town. He seemed like

that guy.

I later voted because his response made me think he hadn't performed a gambit. I was evidently wrong. He is, in fact,

that guy.

He said about that:

Denis' follow-up post made me as sure as I could ever be that he wasn't gambitting, although I was still hesitant to believe him. I voted accordingly. To a certain point, I have to trust that the only person in the game that I know for sure is town other than myself is doing what's best for town.

I believed he was a tracker because I don't think town would fake-claim without provocation on Day 1 and I knew he was town.

[Rob14]

So denis? Why don't you like post #751?

Also, if I were scum, why would I not want to address the possibility that denis could be a Mafia Godfather. If I were forced into fake-claiming cop as scum, wouldn't it make a lot more sense for me to say "well, I have an innocent on denis, but based on how aggressively he's been playing and this recent lie, he could very easily still be a Mafia Godfather." If I had done that, I wouldn't have derailed what was probably going to be an easy mislynch for the scum team based on denis' gambit.

Where's the scum motivation in my claim?

[Lincolm]

No, there is no scum motivation, but you have no cop motivation. I have seen 1 cop, they keep their result as they think of Miller and Godfather, then they said it, but you not.

[Rob14]

So I should have fake-claimed after you released the info that I had investigated Denis for the sake of keeping my results, meanwhile allowing a Denis wagon to probably lynch him despite the fact that my result makes him much more likely town than scum?

Yeah, sorry man. I totally should have kept my results in that situation.

[Lincolm]

Totally evasive now. You know what I mean.

[Rob14]

No, I don't. You said I should have done something that would have been absolutely absurd in the situation that I was placed into. It was an absurd accusation and I treated it as such.

[Rob14]

You also fully ignored the fact that I

did

sit on the innocent until you forced me into a situation where I had to claim.

[Lincolm]

Oh right, it is absurd. Tell me your read on Denis in day 1. Because only your result "not guilty" so you change your read on Denis like that? Tell me why.

[Rob14]

My read of denis was that he was likely to be scum. I got an innocent on him. Considering that denis is from EM, I figured that, given my investigation result on him, he was probably just an idiot and apathetic townie. Him being a Godfather was a possibility, but the risks of killing a claimed tracker with an innocent result on him were far to high when he wouldn't make it to LyLo as scum anyway.

[DeasVail]

There's unlikely to be a godfather if it's only a 1-Shot Cop.

[DeasVail]

Rephrase since it was bad wording anyway: If you're a 1-Shot Cop and there is no other cop in the set-up it is pretty safe to assume your result is reliable.

[Empire]

Dodging the prod for now, really interested in hearing from Junpei's replacement at the moment.

[Master Mew]

@DeasVail: Please explain why you keep listing me as plausible scum, I think it's only fair that I ask. Or if it's PoE please explain your townreads on everyone else.

[DeasVail]

Part of it is that others are townreads. Part of it is that I find you slightly scummy and nothing about you has made me think town.

If I want to push your lynch I will go further, but I really want to sort out my Rob read right now, and I really want the people who think he's scum to give me a reason I can accept for scum looking so much like a cop.

[Cheery Dog]

I found a replacement by bugging him enough times, welcome N!

[N]

VOTE: Mew

[projectmatt]

Dodging the prod for now, really interested in hearing from Junpei's replacement at the moment.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Is there a reason why rob hasn't been lynched yet?

[Master Mew]

Because you need three morw people to agree with you for that to happen, which is unlikely given that you still have yet to do this:

I am very threatened by your subtly foreshadowed FoS.

Yes, obviously Rob is scum 'cuz reasons and anyone who disagrees is his scumbuddy. Look, I'm sorry, but you're not going to strong-arm me into joining your wagon -

persuade me he is scum with anything other than mere obstinance and I'll reconsider.

[DeasVail]

Is there a reason why rob hasn't been lynched yet?

Yeah, I don't get why you haven't tried to convince me considering I've basically been screaming "I might end up sheeping you!" over and over.