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yeah buddy system wont work here. im willing to give the fakevoting system a try here (i was a major proponent of it in wih3) but it went really poorly there and generally made the game pretty unfun.
i like the sacrifice idea. it would allow a mislynched townie to do some final good for the town and possibly force scum to finish him with rage if they dont want him healing.
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theres also the question of whether or not we want to publicly claim rage expenditures to discern between scum and town rage. im leaning in favor of as it could force scum to save/publicly use an amount of rage equal to what a townie would haveadd me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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nah matt im with quidz here. rage has to be public. its a way for us to keep scum accountable for a certain portion of their rage and will help us discern between scum/town rage.
FOr example, assume that most townspeople would have accrued 3 rage at a certain point in the game and a ton of rage just got dumped. forcing proof that everyone has the amount of rage they should have (3 minus whatever they claimed to use before) then scum are either caught here or must spend 3 less rage for scum purposes than they otherwise would be able to. this may or may not be possible but theoretically i like it as an idea.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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hey matt can you explain your town read on me pls?
also i havent had a chance to actually read a lot of the shit i missed yet but is the main argument against matt still his contradictory meta and heavy use of ate when attacked? cus the latter at least he does p much as both town and scum.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 412, Voidedmafia wrote:Can explain more (or go more in-depth to flesh these out) when I get home, but to give a rough outline of the rest of my reads:
town:
Kayne
Yos
In post 455, Voidedmafia wrote:Kayne's ISO has been bereft of scumhunting (beyond light prodding in Matt's direction for reads and such). His theory discussion is fine-ish, but it's not really enough to sway me in any one direction, so he's null.
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vote yos
pretty split between wanting to vote yos, lld and tierce but it looks like theres others who agree with yos so seems like a good enough place to start.
btw kids this is town matt. also town: quadz kinetic and iirc scoobers. everyone else im undecided onadd me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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unvotechanged my mind. i went back to cherry pick some bits that gave me scum vibes, but on second thought im not sure why i reacted him his early posting as gut scum so hard. also i actually think his play around matt is relatively town motivated.
vote tiercegive me a minute and ill go pull out the bits of tierce that make me cringe.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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nm im not gonna quote anything thats a pain. reasons why tierce is scum: shitty interaction with matt (shit was gross as hell), "pv is scum for posting votecounts" *proceeds to post votecounts*, her entire play around the pv wagon, her sentiments expressed in post 499 and general gutness.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 705, scooby wrote:In post 700, kanyeknowsbest wrote:yah scoobers is town i forget why i had him as town before but it doesnt matter nemore. ur wrong abt matt tho.
why do u think yos is scum scoobs?
STRATEGIC POSTING, LURKINESS, EXCESIVE APOLOGIZING, HIS CASES SUCK DICK, NOT NORMLA TOWN YOSA, HE BUSSDE MATTP WHEN HE WAS HATED THEN SWTICHED TO SOME DUDE, ETC
yah strategic posting was the 1 that triggered me b4 i think. ill have 2 read his iso again 4 the others 1s thanks m8.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 1049, MattP wrote:Kanye, you seem to be backing out of your townread on me, why's that?
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In post 1056, kanyeknowsbest wrote:seems like a odd thing 2 guess @add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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fyi this is what i do in games where i have only one or two reads im confident in and also cant gain ne traction in my scumreads. activity is not an alignment related tell for me. as for whether my town read was decreasing on you? it wasnt. not sure why you read it that way and i still have you as a townread right now. i guarantee you if i was scum in this game who had secured a townread from you id be playing a lot more aggressively than this (hint, i know youve looked at a few of my scum games and seen how aggressive i can get when im a universal townread.) go read my play in the previous wih, its turning out to be pretty damn similar (also it was the last time i got lynched as town)
let me talk a little bit about why i think youre town. do you remember back to early game where i didnt call you a town read a single time? remember how you read me as town and automatically assumed id do the same to you since weve been broing out so hard recently? thats a town mindset. youre town, and that youre losing your townread on me breaks my heart m8.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 1122, MattP wrote:
This actually literally confirms Kinetic as townIn post 1118, Kinetic wrote:In post 1117, Yosarian2 wrote:2. Town have no obvious reason to not want to rage-dump. The town can lynch people basically just as easily with or without rage-dump; rage dump can make the lynch happen slightly faster, and it might theoretically be relevant in some endgame situations, but it's pretty unlikely that a town rage-dumping at this point is going to hurt the town (at least not if we stick to The Plan (tm) and keep everyone at max hp).
If everyone has rage: What do scum have? That has been the question that has been rolling around in my mind this entire game. I've been trying to figure that out, what mechanics could it be. Is it simply more rage? Maybe, but if that's the case, rage-dumping would be useless. Scum would just have enough rage to both cover the "town amount" and perform extra kills.
What if it's actually connected to the town's rage though? What if scum gain extra rage every time the town rages? What if the scum are able to redirect someone's rage use? What is the scum can use rage for something else? What if the scum have both rage and another mechanic and rage dumping means nothing but gaining townie points?
And we have Yos who is the proponent for it, running blindly into the field, and yet he's immediately down when someone who he should realize equally over thinks these things is showing trepidation.
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