Two-Headed Mafia 2 - GAME OVER!

[ibaesha]

And the squabbling between heads begins so soon!

vote:Glork(and MoS)

for using craplogic!

Which craplogic was that?

FoS: re2fan

Appears to be looking for an excuse for a vote rather than a reason or no reason all (random).

[ibaesha]

Big reaction to a FoS. So you're saying his vote on MBL for clearly joking was also a joke?

[ibaesha]

I thought Glork was just being a dork. There's no logic behind it at all, therefore it can't be craplogic. I suppose it could be crap, but I have no reason to trust Yos/TSS anyways.

[ibaesha]

You're the one that appeared to be saying he was joking, therefore I was asking you for clarification.

This game is going to be weird. If you didn't know what he was thinking... why defend it by saying he was joking, then backtrack when asked for clarification by saying to ask him.

[ibaesha]

Like?

[ibaesha]

Cuz I told him to.

[ibaesha]

<3 Pooky.

[ibaesha]

Pretty sure that an eon/re2fan wagon would be a good place to start.

[ibaesha]

Even if it was lurker hunting, that's pretty typical for Yos.

[ibaesha]

Pooky for short.

Pooks = affectionate short

[ibaesha]

Fritz: I realize you're annoyed at Coron's attempt at divinity, but can we move our vote back to eon/re2fan-scum?

[ibaesha]

Eon: Not suspecting anyone is suspicious. Every post from the two of you has been defensive in tone. None appear to be looking for scum. This is interesting considering that two other pairs are being voted for based on 'overdefensiveness'. It makes me wonder why you two have slid by without much notice. Anyways, at this point it's pretty doubtful anyone would be 100% sure that someone is scum unless they were scum themselves. It's even more doubtful that they could prove it. Not being 100% sure is no reason to hold back on suspicions or we'd never get anywhere.

I was going to wait for Fritz but in light of this latest post, I'm happy to move our vote back to where I think it belongs.

unvote: vote eon/re2fan

[ibaesha]

I'm trying to figure out wtf your point is SL?

You came in here and said that H2 claimed scum when he hadn't posted. You've then attempted to push his lynch for reasons which I really haven't understood yet. I'll agree that his assessment that you're trying to push any lynch for any reason is a misrepresentation of what you've done. You've tried to push -his- lynch for any reason, though.

[ibaesha]

OMG THANKS FOR POINTING THAT AFTER I ALREADY SAW THAT AND REPLIED.

Yes, this is helpful too.

Tell me what you're doing to find scum, plz. thx.

[ibaesha]

Ibaesha i know you want to destroy me =]
Anyway how can i help to find scum if everyone attacks me and i can only write replies to those posts.

Yes, I think you're scum and therefore believe you should be destroyed. And you weren't being attacked for quite a while. In fact, my other head unvoted you. During that timeframe, you added nothing to the discussion. You only returned once attention turned your way again.

What do you think of Mini Neo/sprotalic?
What do you think of H2 da Tizzle/Themanhimself?
What do you think of those pushing for their lynches?

[ibaesha]

Don't start the Too Townie business with me. It just pisses me off.

I asked those three questions because they directly correlate to what was going on when you fell off the radar.

[ibaesha]

Being a newb doesn't make you any less likely to be scum. I will admit to difficulty in differentiating between newb-scum and newb-town. However, I'm obviously leaning towards you and your partner being the former.

[ibaesha]

So you disagree with your partner PJ's assessment of Eon/re2fan?

Also, Glork's vote was moved by MoS.

My problem with eon/re2fan isn't lack of content. It's that the content is all defensive in nature and the only time they deem it necessary to contribute/post at all is if someone votes for them or they are under attack.

[ibaesha]

No, I'd be defending myself while accusing other people. But that's me.

Do tell. What were you considering when there was no pressure on you at all and it was on two other pairs of heads?

[ibaesha]

Eon: You weren't being attacked for a while and in fact my partner unvoted you. I am referring to that timeframe. I have asked you questions about it and I have tried to get you to weigh in what happened during that time and all I've gotten is that you're suspicious of sprotalic but no reasoning why. You were under absolutely no pressure at all and your defense of 'we've been under attack' does not fit the circumstances.

re2fan: You're hoping it picks up soon? If you felt the game was stalling, why did you not contribute? Do you think sitting back and doing nothing unless attacked is helpful if you are indeed town? Did you have thoughts about the people being pressured?

I'm starting to think that you guys may not be scum, but I am really not impressed at all with your approach to the game. It appears to me that the only defense that is viable is 'We are newbies and we don't speak fluent english" both points that do not eliminate you as possible scum.

Also, Eon teach your other head how to use quote tags. Thanks.

spectrumvoid: I've read bits and pieces of several of your games and I'm suspicious of your latest 'eon plays like this everywhere'. You are a proponent of not allowing people to get away with 'playstyle' and not following 'metagame' so what is different here? I'm not saying you should be voting for them if you don't believe they're scum, but the reasoning behind your dislike of the wagon seems to be contrary to your usual stance.

[ibaesha]

[ibaesha]

Eon: Just for clarification purposes.

FoS: re2fan

Appears to be looking for an excuse for a vote rather than a reason or no reason all (random).

Big reaction to a FoS. So you're saying his vote on MBL for clearly joking was also a joke?

You're the one that appeared to be saying he was joking, therefore I was asking you for clarification.

This game is going to be weird. If you didn't know what he was thinking... why defend it by saying he was joking, then backtrack when asked for clarification by saying to ask him.

unvote, vote: eon

yea amb,a re yo uever going t odo simpsons deep soutyh?

But anyway Fritzler why did you vote against us, having problem finding different Wagon?

Cuz I told him to.

unvote,vote: coron

fos: eon

Eon: Not suspecting anyone is suspicious. Every post from the two of you has been defensive in tone. None appear to be looking for scum. This is interesting considering that two other pairs are being voted for based on 'overdefensiveness'. It makes me wonder why you two have slid by without much notice. Anyways, at this point it's pretty doubtful anyone would be 100% sure that someone is scum unless they were scum themselves. It's even more doubtful that they could prove it. Not being 100% sure is no reason to hold back on suspicions or we'd never get anywhere.

I was going to wait for Fritz but in light of this latest post, I'm happy to move our vote back to where I think it belongs.

unvote: vote eon/re2fan

So basically, your statement about Fritz reasoning fails because it was based on my reasoning as previously presented. I even said he voted for you because I told him to. I've since given more reasoning for voting you when I re-voted.

I have to admit that right now I find your partner quite scummier than I find you.

[ibaesha]

STD: Quit being a skimmah. There's a lot more behind my vote than what you presented.

[ibaesha]

Well the other two pairs of heads that were being pressured have disappeared now. Hmm...

Re-reading.

[ibaesha]

Lots lurking, isn't there?

[ibaesha]

Actually I was wrong. sprontalic has been posting (re-reading things now). His other head is still missing, but he's asked for Mini to be replaced.

[ibaesha]

Well that was a very opportunistic vote hop and a complete about face when called out

FOS: Spectrumvoid

QFT

[ibaesha]

unvote

Damn, I wanted a cookie too.
But scumvoid is more suspect.

vote: spectrumvoid

[ibaesha]

Me and my other head refuse your cookies.

Cookie haters.

[ibaesha]

So is lordy's.

[ibaesha]

Overdefensiveness is a good reason. One vote shouldn't cause overdefensiveness.

Not really. And I still don't see where he was overdefensive. Plus some people are just that way, experienced or not. I also found your push to be suspicious. However, when I looked at H2/theman's posts I thought that theman's behavior towards sprontalic to be odd.

This is a huge bleep on my scumdar! It starts out as stupid, moves into craplogic, and has a big finale of overdefensiveness. It's a 3 act scum post.

vote:sprontalic

This seems a bit like weak overdefensiveness. Obv scumtactic, but maybe not worth a vote.

FoS:Sprontalic

Wow. I'd vote my other head for this. Please don't. Sprontalic seems to have dropped the overdefensive vibe, so for now

unvote

A strange series of posts when taken into context. I think the 'overdefensiveness' is bad reasoning to base a vote and especially to push a wagon, but there's weird behavior going on here. You never noted any of this though and continued on the 'overdefensive' line and are still attached to it.

It's also noted that your other head made a rather convenient jump to the eon/re2fan wagon.

[ibaesha]

We made that decision together. Please don't single out my other head. Kthx.

I didn't single him out, but I have my facts straight. He moved the vote, not you. And I consider the bandwagon hop something to be noted about both of you or I wouldn't have pointed it out in a post directed towards you specifically.

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: 430

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Save The Dragons wrote:
I did NOT play the n00b card. I am saying that what you're calling scumtell is something that anyone would do had they not played a lot of games, not that H2 Da Tizzle is a n00b and we should forgive him.

Basically, I'm attacking your actions, not defending his.

But what do I know. I'm a n00b.


I disagree. People who are newbs are still likely to exhibit overdefensiveness as scum than town right out of the gate like that over a random vote

I disagree with your disagreement? I think newbs are more likely to not understand random votes and random wagons and respond with a 'what did I do?' reaction regardless of their alignment.

By the way, you seem to be focusing on H2, but what do you think about my observations about theman? I think he's more suspicious out of the two heads myself.

[ibaesha]

Not sure what happened to that 2nd quote. o.O I'm sure you get the point anyways.

[ibaesha]

I'm still liking a spectrum/lordy lynch.

SL/bird are suspicious, but not enough for my vote today. This is because I can see where h2/theman are suspicious, even though it's not for the reasons SL sited. (I'm still waiting for SL to comment on my observations of theman). The bandwagon jump is also less suspect than spectrum/lordy's because of the history of spectrum/lordy before the jump and their responses afterwards.

[ibaesha]

Right now I'm liking a spectrum/lordy lynch over an SL/bird lynch. But I like an SL/bird lynch over an Eon/re2fan lynch.

And yes, I realize I pushed Eon/re2fan rather hard but I think that something productive came of it. I'm less sure they're scum (re2fan is scummier than eon) and more suspicious of those who took the chance to jump on their wagon as it gained momentum. And look who those are ... spectrum/lordy and SL/bird.

Taking into consideration the above:

unvote; vote SL/bird

Oh and by the way:

Stop it with the freaking DEADLINE IS COMING, DEADLINE IS COMING, ALL PILE ONTO ONE PERSON AND WAIT UNTIL TOMMOROW

This really sounds like panic to me. You should know that it's perfectly reasonable (and standard) play for people to shift to the person they find most suspicious out of the leading vote-getters at deadline. Otherwise the day is wasted as Mgm pointed out.

[ibaesha]

Damn Fritz, we're deaded.

Go town?