Mafiastuck (GAME OVER TOWN WINS!)

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/confirm

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Just posting to say confirm in thread is stupid and I hate it. For further reference look here

Anyone who posts in tics or anything annoying will be insta voted.

We confirm so that the game doesn't start out with half the town inactive :/

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I think he means that confirming by PM with the thread locked is better.

Yeah, I'd agree with that, keeps it from having a couple pages at the beginning before there's actually gameplay.

But then you'd have no idea when the game is going to start. I see half the people have confirmed so Im like this is going to start in a day, but if only a couple people have confirmed I can wait a couple days.

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Combatenigma and nacho voting for Noir and calling each other scum is pretty scummy. Noir hasn't even started the game, so I dont know how they expect him to step up his game.

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VOTE: Combatenigma

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Wow... that is a whole lot of nonsense to absorb. And Deasvail is the nonsenseiest of the nonsense. His votes are all cop outs, too.

Unvote
Vote: DeasVeil

Really, there's not a post in between these two posts, care to explain?

Man Noir is helpful... So much useful analysis and well built theories.

Vote: Noir

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Sorry about my activity got swamped at school on short notice. Looking into Tazaro.

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Phillammon, Titan, and Noir

Scum as far as I can see, when asked for a scum list he outs 3 people only on of which he has even remotely hinted as scum. He isn't even voting for good reasoning his vote for Cheery is a sheep of what Nacho asked him.

I am polarizing. Some say I'm to burn at the stake. Some think I am town, pure and simple.
Vote for someone who does not have as much town reads on them

this is terrible reasoning coming from Tazaro, but not terrible reasoning in general
it's hard as fuck to work on the entire game, so lots of people have a town read on someone, they are a poor lynch
not all of those motherfuckers can be scum, after all

Tazaro, you should probably vote Cheery Dog, though.
And everyone else can keep trying to explain why they are finding him town.

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Cheery Dog: scum, too
The only one I haven't really vocalized with details was Noir.

Why Cheery though? Of the four he is the 2nd to last guy you have information on, your only voicing on him was that he wasn't making as many townie remarks. If you really wanted to lynch him you would have focused at least as much energy as you did with Phil or Titan.

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Just wanted to see his reaction as the majority got more imminent. Looks like a more scum reaction than town, it seems more like he is challenging the town than trying to help/giving up.

VOTE: Unvote
VOTE: Tazaro/Pachendale

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It has been pointed out that xtopherusD voted for Tazaro for very shitty reasoning. Im pretty down eith pressuring him.
VOTE: Xtopherus

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Question: Does everybody agree that we don't want to mislynch?
If you answered no, screw you. But if you answered yes, you'll agree that we don't want to lynch town.

How do we avoid lynching Town? We make sure that scummy things actually originate from scum. How does that happen? Discussion. What's the core of discussion? Having substance to discuss. Why do I bring this up now? Well...

I still want xtoph dead after his 958.

This is useless. 958 was a long post. Saying "it means he should die" cannot lead to discussion. No discussion means a higher chance of a mislynch.

So, Maenara. In the interests of the Town, what is the problem you do have with that post?

This is Maenara's reasoning, yet other people have voted for you Tazaro vote post. If you are so pro-discussion why have you not addressed any of the other accusations made?

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Question: Does everybody agree that we don't want to mislynch?
If you answered no, screw you. But if you answered yes, you'll agree that we don't want to lynch town.

How do we avoid lynching Town? We make sure that scummy things actually originate from scum. How does that happen? Discussion. What's the core of discussion? Having substance to discuss. Why do I bring this up now? Well...

I still want xtoph dead after his 958.

This is useless. 958 was a long post. Saying "it means he should die" cannot lead to discussion. No discussion means a higher chance of a mislynch.

So, Maenara. In the interests of the Town, what is the problem you do have with that post?

This is Maenara's reasoning, yet other people have voted for you Tazaro vote post. If you are so pro-discussion why have you not addressed any of the other accusations made?

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God Damn Phone!

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Xtoph: Regarding 1536, why wouldn't you just say that since we don't want a mislynch, we shouldn't lynch you?

You mean to tell me that if I were to say I would be a mislynch, you'd believe me and move on?

Saying it how I did meant that Zdenek and the rest of the players could read and see where I'm coming from. I phrased it in an objective way so that no matter who you believe is scum you will agree that Zdenek's comment was not actually helpful. Everything I said in that post is common knowledge. If I say "I am Town", that's not common knowledge (and therefore has no basis), doesn't help anyone, and is just as bad as what I was trying to call out.

You said when you get back you were going to address some of the points made against you. This post has none of that, you say you are open for discussion, but you avoid it when it involves scum reads on you. My question that remains unanswered is: why you voted for Tazaro when you believed he wasn't scum? Your reasoning was that D1 was squeezed dry, but that means you think you have enough information to come up with a scum reads. From my perspective your vote post looks very much like a scum bus.

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You said when you get back you were going to address some of the points made against you. This post has none of that, you say you are open for discussion, but you avoid it when it involves scum reads on you. My question that remains unanswered is: why you voted for Tazaro when you believed he wasn't scum? Your reasoning was that D1 was squeezed dry, but that means you think you have enough information to come up with a scum reads. From my perspective your vote post looks very much like a scum bus.

The first problem here is that I said I'd do this when I got back

to a computer

, which has not been able to happen for any sustained length of time yet.
The second (and main) problem is that you've misread my final D1 post. I never meant to imply that there was enough information for things; rather, the opposite. Day One was dragging on without going anywhere and showing no signs of change, and because of this I had no solid scumreads. And I knew that having three or four flips happening would help with that.

K that makes more sense, you needed flips to help out your reads.

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Whoops UNVOTE: Xtopherus

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Looking at the two top lynch candidates I think malscalp is more scummy. The scummiest thing I see about Avox is his very weak Tazaro push(that is non-existent Tazaro push). malpsacp is far more scummy as he has soft defended confirmed scum multiple times and never voted for buldemar who he was flipping out about for confirming scum(still have no idea wtf that is about).
VOTE: Maenara

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Lol, too many Ms UNVOTE: Maenara
VOTE: malscalp
@Cheery I was talking about the consensus in the thread. From a quick feel I think that they are the most considered candidates. I personally haven't seen anything scummy of you.

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Guys, lets get this straight. Do you think Tazaro, not Pasch, just Tazaro, is scummy enough to get lynched? I know this is not the only thing to take into account, but it would be nice to know after all why people are going back to that wagon after it lost some steam when Pasch replaced out.

Tazaro is always townish. Nothing else happened and I'm sick.

For all you zombies out there, this is why I think malpascp is scum. Both these posts are very soft defenses of a now confirmed scum.

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Brood want to answer the question of do you think malp is the type of person to buddy a partner that obviously? Meh, the wagon on him is better then mae or cheery too.

~Mehdi

If he was aware of his buddying he wouldn't have done it in the first place, town or scum. His stance on Buldermar is terrible too, too many posts to quote though, but the gist of it is he freaked out over buldermar's scum claim but didn't even vote for him.

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What's wrong with the Maenara and Cheery wagons specifically?

The conception of the Cheery Wagon was DV, Pandorica jumped in so I suspect Pandorica saw an easy slip to push.

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Malpa stop freaking lurking!!!

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Is Fate always like this?

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@Zdenek a ctrl-F fail on my part. But even so, malpascp's reaction to the buldermar scum claim is super counter productive. He flips out over the scum claim, arguing why Buldermar cant take it back, and posts the most irrational way possible. He could have just voted and left it at that, the fact that he just blatantly screams scum at buldermar doesn't help convince any townies whatsoever. For example look at this:

Die. DeasVail gave you the chance to unclaim and you didn't. Nice play.

P-Edit: gotta love it.

He posts this literally less than a minute after DV asks for the unclaim. How is anyone supposed to respond to that? The fact that malp was pushing buldermar in the most belligerent manner possible confuses the town far more than convince it of the scumminess of the claim. A

About that first quote, malpa wasn't actually responding to anyone in particular. Everyone on the page with that post had been accusing Tazaro not saying he was town (except Nacho but he didn't say townish either). This means he was telling someone that Tazaro has naturally townie traits, but that he was seeing townie traits himself.

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Dont ring me.

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Why are you asking me stupid questions?

It's not stupid at all. There's a reason for it.
Why not just answer?

Why are you asking me what my read on the obvtown whose wagon I'm pushing is when it's plainly obvious to fucking everyone that he's town?

How in god's name is he obv. town?

How is he obviously scum? You've found one contradiction on his part, what about the rest of his posts? They glean more townie to me.

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@xtopherus Have you gotten to a computer yet?

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this game is annoying. too many people thinking they're super cool self-evident master scumhunters and making minimalist posts barely explaining their cases which doesn't provide realistic pressure on their targets, doesn't persuade people to vote with them and only serves to make them hard to read.

Why are you asking me what my read on the obvtown whose wagon I'm pushing is when it's plainly obvious to fucking everyone that he's town?

Fucking hydras.

How is he obviously scum?

I didn't say that. You arguing on behalf of S&R / leaping to Zeta's defense does not sit well with me at all.

Vote: Broodking

As far as the whole Malpa thing goes. I think he's playing like scum - came under pressure and has mostly vanished since then and what he's had to say has been unhlepful, but he's also claimed V/LA, so I'm a bit unsure. I'll have to check at some point if he's the sort of player who goes to pieces when he comes under pressure as scum.

This seems more like OMGUS if anything. Im asking a legit question it doesn't matter if sunman started it. You voted for Zeta so you obviously thought he was scum. The way I asked the question was more to point out the irony on the matter. The truth is through, a good portion of your filter contains back and forth between you and Zeta, who thinks you are scum, yet in the end you can find only one post to justify a vote on him. That makes your vote seem less about Zeta being scum, and more like you OMGUSing him. If your vote was so justified as well, why are you voting for me now?

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@Zdenek He's V/LA but actually posting. He is actively lurking despite the pressure on him, townies don't do this.

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I have made an easy 5 step method for YOU to be pro-town.

1) Look at first post, and notice the two light green mafia flips.

2) ISO Malp.

3) Notice his relationship to the two light green flipped scums and his useless posting and shitlurking trying to blow away his wagon.

4) Vote Malp.

5) Spread the news to others to support Vote Malp 2012.

If you give Malp your vote, good people of Mafiastuck, you’ll have a lynch which hears your voice—which fights for your cause of lynching scum. Don't let the voice of the few be overwhelmed by the voices of the unhelpful. It is your duty, your obligation, people of Mafiastuck, to help lynch scum. So vote Malp, good people, and know in your hearts that you’ll be making the right decision.

I'm

Malp

Titan and I approve this message.

This guy claims to be 6-0 as mafia in his signature. If this is true I really can't see him make the obvious mistakes in bussing and buddying that his ISO with respect to Tazaro and Pandorica would imply.

But those are two of the three people he has posted on (excluding you) and they both flipped scum. That's a pretty steep coincidence believe.

@malpa You shouldn't be posting if you are V/LA, then!

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This seems more like OMGUS if anything.

You've never stated a read on me, so how is it OMGUS?

You voted for Zeta so you obviously thought he was scum. The way I asked the question was more to point out the irony on the matter. The truth is through, a good portion of your filter contains back and forth between you and Zeta, who thinks you are scum, yet in the end you can find only one post to justify a vote on him.

I was mainly voting him because of his garbage attack on me - that catch-up posts are scummy, followed up by his obviously failed examination of the games I provided as meta, and the fact that he tried to justify himself on the grounds that he doesn't need to consider the content of posts or the situations under which they are made in order to find them scummy. He continues to be scummy because he's now moved the goal posts on why he finds me scummy - at first it was the stuff above, but now it's mostly gut. But I'm bored with him, and now I want to get a better read on you.

why are you voting for me now?

Because I hacked your account and saw your role pm.

OMGUS in terms of me disagreeing with you. Zeta's responses seem more of a stubborn townie though, he disagrees with you but he does it in an unmoving manner rather than biting. I cant find the post where he moves from that justification to vote for you though.

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^Awkward jokes about "hacking his account n saw ur role pm" which are forced

So Fate's scum. Town Fate would have kept his mouth shut and let BroodKing respond.

OMGUS in terms of me disagreeing with you

You think that I think you're scum because you're disagreeing with me? What gave you that idea.

Because you are doing the same thing with Zeta, your first few posts on him were disagreements, then they blossomed into a scum read. Can you come up with motive behind why I would be pushing malpa or things I am saying wrong since my initial posting on malpa? It feels to me like you are digging to much into statements rather than the words in between them. Its true that scum have statements do have contradict, but if you can't find a motive it doesn't do much to convince anyone.

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Claim sounds fake to me. The role name should have came in the second post about his role not the third. Although Titan was pretty much his only scumread, it doesn't make sense that he would take a shot, because he is one of the most vocal players in the game and townie in a lot of people's eyes.

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If you're done with setup spec, I have something else to point out.

Kankri Vantas. First appearance,

ACT 6 INTERMISSION 3 (The first walkaround). Release, August 30th 2012. Personality takes the community by surprise.

First post of this game:

Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:21 pm

Anyone see where I'm going with this?

That's a month a apart! The OP said that there are to be no spoilers for three days. Am I missing something?

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...Oops. I read the 8 and I saw the oct and completely failed to... Okay, my bad. UNVOTE:

Ignore me. Really.

Even though that is wrong, what is convincing you malpa isn't scum? Is the claim legit in your eyes?

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^Awkward jokes about "hacking his account n saw ur role pm" which are forced

So Fate's scum. Town Fate would have kept his mouth shut and let BroodKing respond.

OMGUS in terms of me disagreeing with you

You think that I think you're scum because you're disagreeing with me? What gave you that idea.

Because you are doing the same thing with Zeta, your first few posts on him were disagreements, then they blossomed into a scum read. Can you come up with motive behind why I would be pushing malpa or things I am saying wrong since my initial posting on malpa? It feels to me like you are digging to much into statements rather than the words in between them. Its true that scum have statements do have contradict, but if you can't find a motive it doesn't do much to convince anyone.

Even if this was true, it's ridiculous to assume that because once I had a disagreement with someone that blossomed into a scum read that it's going to happen every time. However, it's false because I didn't find Zeta scummy for disagreeing with me. I found him scummy for the things that he said during our argument.

Can I come up with a motive for pushing Malpa? Of course I can, there are fucking piles of possibilities.

What the fuck does digging into statements rather than the words in between them even mean? It looks to me like you are just posting nonsensical and meaning garbage that you think will sound good.

You're being vague, what do you find about Zeta in your argument. I only see disagreement in his response to you and at the very most I see a stubbornly wrong response. This is an important distinction because the way you scumhunt, that is looking for statements that are wrong, doesn't actually find scum, because being wrong is a null trait. If you think someone is wrong in their statement, then you obviously disagree with them. So I can conclude that you find scumminess in statements you think aren't correct.

"Digging into statements rather than the words in between them" means looking for motive in posts. I realize the statement's wording is really fucked though, so I understand how you could misunderstand. About the motive, do any of them make sense with how I am posting though? Sure I could make up a list of stuff about anybody about motive, but the list wouldn't make sense with how they are posting. I want you to give me a motive of why I would be pushing malpa or if you don't see a motive behind the push.

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^Awkward jokes about "hacking his account n saw ur role pm" which are forced

So Fate's scum. Town Fate would have kept his mouth shut and let BroodKing respond.

OMGUS in terms of me disagreeing with you

You think that I think you're scum because you're disagreeing with me? What gave you that idea.

Because you are doing the same thing with Zeta, your first few posts on him were disagreements, then they blossomed into a scum read. Can you come up with motive behind why I would be pushing malpa or things I am saying wrong since my initial posting on malpa? It feels to me like you are digging to much into statements rather than the words in between them. Its true that scum have statements do have contradict, but if you can't find a motive it doesn't do much to convince anyone.

Even if this was true, it's ridiculous to assume that because once I had a disagreement with someone that blossomed into a scum read that it's going to happen every time. However, it's false because I didn't find Zeta scummy for disagreeing with me. I found him scummy for the things that he said during our argument.

Can I come up with a motive for pushing Malpa? Of course I can, there are fucking piles of possibilities.

What the fuck does digging into statements rather than the words in between them even mean? It looks to me like you are just posting nonsensical and meaning garbage that you think will sound good.

You're being vague, what do you find about Zeta in your argument. I only see disagreement in his response to you and at the very most I see a stubbornly wrong response. This is an important distinction because the way you scumhunt, that is looking for statements that are wrong, doesn't actually find scum, because being wrong is a null trait. If you think someone is wrong in their statement, then you obviously disagree with them. So I can conclude that you find scumminess in statements you think aren't correct.

"Digging into statements rather than the words in between them" means looking for motive in posts. I realize the statement's wording is really fucked though, so I understand how you could misunderstand. About the motive, do any of them make sense with how I am posting though? Sure I could make up a list of stuff about anybody about motive, but the list wouldn't make sense with how they are posting. I want you to give me a motive of why I would be pushing malpa or if you don't see a motive behind the push.

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Malpa pushing buldermar without intent to lynch, voting Pandorica very early in the game and contradicting that vote with a town read and him defending Tazaro to try and hold off the lynch.
Buldermar and Pandorica were pushes on people without intent to lynch, and defending Tazaro prevents a lynch of a scum buddy.

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EBWOP: Bulder and Pandorica were pushes without intent to lynch. I've addressed the Tazaro and Buldermar interactions in my ISO. I can requote them if you can't see (although it should be obvious).

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You're being vague, what do you find about Zeta in your argument. I only see disagreement in his response to you and at the very most I see a stubbornly wrong response. This is an important distinction because the way you scumhunt, that is looking for statements that are wrong, doesn't actually find scum, because being wrong is a null trait. If you think someone is wrong in their statement, then you obviously disagree with them. So I can conclude that you find scumminess in statements you think aren't correct.

"Digging into statements rather than the words in between them" means looking for motive in posts. I realize the statement's wording is really fucked though, so I understand how you could misunderstand. About the motive, do any of them make sense with how I am posting though? Sure I could make up a list of stuff about anybody about motive, but the list wouldn't make sense with how they are posting. I want you to give me a motive of why I would be pushing malpa or if you don't see a motive behind the push.

I was pretty explicit about what I think of Zeta, here look:

I don't believe that Zeta believes in his argument that scum provide catch-up posts because the same reasoning that his using here can be ascribed to Nacho's 1290: his official re-read, but Zeta didn't say hide nor hare about that.

Later he finally votes a townie and tunnels on him aggressively.

This is part of Zeta's case on malpa - that he's tunneling on townie Buldermar.

I had not noticed buldemar's claim until very recently. Moreover, I try to focus on a small range of suspects per day.

But he hadn't noticed the claim, so where did his town read on Buldermar come from? Hint: nowhere, it's manufactured for the purposes of his case.

On top of that there is the deliberately narrowed focus in a multiscum game.

Well, you don't need to, since you're scum, but town would because actually considering the circumstances under which posts are made and the content of player's posts are what matters.

which was in regards to:

I think that your failure to actually consider the circumstances under which I replaced in and actually consider the posts reads at best as lazy and thoughtless.

Why would I need to consider either of those things?

After I presented him with something that he should have found scummy, based on his argument against me:

Also, I've presented him with something by all rights, considering his case on me, he should find scummy, but rather than offering an opinion on it, he just makes an excuse for not talking about it.

As you should be able to see, I did not, think that he was scum over a disagreement. So what are you talking about?

One scum motive for pushing Malpa is fucking clear: a case has been made against him that's gained a lot of traction, so your vote on him won't be questioned, and it's a great way to blend in. Just for clarity, I'm not trying to argue that voting for Malpa is scummy, but BroodKing is trying to argue that there's no scum motivation in such a vote, which is just foolish.

Your first post is good, but the whole argument about him not taking into account the situation is a moot point. You say yourself he could be lazy and thoughtless, both traits that are null. That interaction itself seems more like a disagreement, because he is being stubborn and you have a good point. What is the thing that was Zeta-scummy that you did? Also, looking through your correspondence, again, I noticed you were misinterpreting the quickness of links post. Is that still a factor in your Zeta vote?

Last thing, you never answered the question I originally asked. I'm arguing that you have not find a motive in

my

posting. You said yourself that situations differ, how is my motivation different from say your motivation for voting malpa?

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You're being vague, what do you find about Zeta in your argument. I only see disagreement in his response to you and at the very most I see a stubbornly wrong response. This is an important distinction because the way you scumhunt, that is looking for statements that are wrong, doesn't actually find scum, because being wrong is a null trait. If you think someone is wrong in their statement, then you obviously disagree with them. So I can conclude that you find scumminess in statements you think aren't correct.

"Digging into statements rather than the words in between them" means looking for motive in posts. I realize the statement's wording is really fucked though, so I understand how you could misunderstand. About the motive, do any of them make sense with how I am posting though? Sure I could make up a list of stuff about anybody about motive, but the list wouldn't make sense with how they are posting. I want you to give me a motive of why I would be pushing malpa or if you don't see a motive behind the push.

I was pretty explicit about what I think of Zeta, here look:

I don't believe that Zeta believes in his argument that scum provide catch-up posts because the same reasoning that his using here can be ascribed to Nacho's 1290: his official re-read, but Zeta didn't say hide nor hare about that.

Later he finally votes a townie and tunnels on him aggressively.

This is part of Zeta's case on malpa - that he's tunneling on townie Buldermar.

I had not noticed buldemar's claim until very recently. Moreover, I try to focus on a small range of suspects per day.

But he hadn't noticed the claim, so where did his town read on Buldermar come from? Hint: nowhere, it's manufactured for the purposes of his case.

On top of that there is the deliberately narrowed focus in a multiscum game.

Well, you don't need to, since you're scum, but town would because actually considering the circumstances under which posts are made and the content of player's posts are what matters.

which was in regards to:

I think that your failure to actually consider the circumstances under which I replaced in and actually consider the posts reads at best as lazy and thoughtless.

Why would I need to consider either of those things?

After I presented him with something that he should have found scummy, based on his argument against me:

Also, I've presented him with something by all rights, considering his case on me, he should find scummy, but rather than offering an opinion on it, he just makes an excuse for not talking about it.

As you should be able to see, I did not, think that he was scum over a disagreement. So what are you talking about?

One scum motive for pushing Malpa is fucking clear: a case has been made against him that's gained a lot of traction, so your vote on him won't be questioned, and it's a great way to blend in. Just for clarity, I'm not trying to argue that voting for Malpa is scummy, but BroodKing is trying to argue that there's no scum motivation in such a vote, which is just foolish.

Your first post is good, but the whole argument about him not taking into account the situation is a moot point. You say yourself he could be lazy and thoughtless, both traits that are null. That interaction itself seems more like a disagreement, because he is being stubborn and you have a good point. What is the thing that was Zeta-scummy that you did? Also, looking through your correspondence, again, I noticed you were misinterpreting the quickness of links post. Is that still a factor in your Zeta vote?

Last thing, you never answered the question I originally asked. I'm arguing that you have not find a motive in

my

posting. You said yourself that situations differ, how is my motivation different from say your motivation for voting malpa?

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That's 14 right? Don't ring me, I've got a call.

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Sorry I disappeared, internet sucks at my grandmas.

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About the vig plan, I think the plan is pretty much useless, unless you guys have someone else to lynch. I haven't seen any big pushes by other town members so I'm going to disagree with this plan. Malpa has not even shown interest in the plan given his last post.

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People saying that claiming JK is scummy should just vote themselves and shut up for the rest of the game.

I just skimmed the last 10 pages, and still don't know if Mehdi is shooting me tonight.

I'm wondering why didn't anyone made some detailed ISOs on Cheery and AV, but I'll do it myself tomorrow.

Your V/LA is over. How can you not see what Medhi was trying to plan? Guys, we need to lynch this guy for not even considering this plan. I'm not even going to consider lynching Avox until I know this scum is going to die.

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Bitches. My role is easily confirmable. No sane town lynches me today. And I still don't say shit, because even that way, I shouldn't get lynched, so you don't fucking deserve it.

You said yourself you weren't sure on Medhi's plan, are you going back on that statement?

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No I didn't shoot n1. Cheery counter wagon was why. As for brood I'd kind of shoot multiple people at once if possible not one.

Wouldnt it be easier to have shot me and let Cheery be read the next day. Im struggling with the logic behind your shooting Cheery, you were bouncing around on him for a long time.

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Mae he was bread crumbing a innocent. Cops claim guilties or tunnel a lot more then that. How do I go from trusted yesterday after being unsure to not trusted?

Brood if I shot you I would also be voting cheery. So what exactly did it change? Honestly I just think one of the counter wagons was ideal and cheery was often mentioned as another suspect.

This maenara wagon, proves the change. Cheery is much easier to lynch based on the fact that there was a counter wagon yesterday. How did people's suggestions feed into your shot?

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Meh, thought on it and with all the vig curiousity well I'm one. And unlike some others I like my kill directed so I was debating claiming (treating it somewhat like a second lynch where I care on opinions of who to shoot, but still have control over it). I shot no one last night (hadn't read enough to shoot). Aradia 0_0. Minimal flavor which just deals with time powers that can be used to beat people and like for breaking things. Curious where cheery got all roles have flavor (sounded like he had long flavor) when mine was fairly short.

Titan I'd need more on avox to shoot him. Brood or cE I'm leaning towards (cE more since while scummy none of you want to lynch the super lurker so shooting him would work well).

Really? I thought your whole reason for claiming was getting your kills directed. I get the counter wagon thing now though. I just find it wierd why you had been mentioning vigging a lot of other people when your overall plan was to vig the counter lynch.

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Hey, everyone. Let's play Dissect-a-Post!

Tammy probably did.

"Let us open our post with a light-hearted statement, to appear less threatening." - What does scum do? Worry about how people see them. How do scum feel when posting? Anxious and paranoid. Who uses joking around to make themselves seem less aggressive and worrisome? Scum.

Anyways

"Please don't pay too much attention to this post, I really don't like attention." - This word, this single word, just serves makes the above light-hearted statement seem worse.

fate opinion on philla/brood?

"Please tell me which player I can get lynched without risking my position." - Asking assertive players for their reads is typical scum-play. A townie would rather ask one of the quieter ones, as they're the ones that are hard to figure out.

That and vifam's play when mae was pushed doesn't look scum

"By which I, of course, mean that my own play was, by inference, equally towny, which will make me look better when Maenara flips town." - He is careful not to point out that he's doing the exact same thing as Vifam. When I, and presumably Vifam as well, then flip town, he'll be made to look townie by association, without ever having taken the risky action of pointing out his own good deeds.

(unless he's scum with mae which I don't think is true).

"Look, ma, I built a town cred!" - Getting townreads on what he sees as safe bets prone to night-kills, in an attempt to look better when they die. Again.

Then hinted cop innocent.

"Also, I pay attention. Aren't I good?" - Affirming a popular opinion, as to seem to be in agreement with a large amount of players.

That post was bad, Mehdi. Try again.

Looking over Maenara I get a reeally bad feeling. This post feels alot like trying to create a case out of thin air. Notice his vote is still on Avox. Stuff like this sums up his whole filter though, he creates a bunch of fluffy implied statements, and then goes back on them.
VOTE: Maenara

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@Nacho, BroodKing, Shinori, Sanjay, torg: Will you help lynch AVox or not?

@Zeta: Get on the AVox wagon, you already said you want to lynch him.

Im fine with either, they are both scum. Ideally I want Maenara dead first, because he seems like a more competent player (more likely to be a scum PR).
VOTE: Avox
S&R needs a gun.

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This is not happening I am the PR role: Wayward Vagabond. Im looking for someone to bear the ring!

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Basically I am searching for Derse and Prosphit members. Derse being evil and Prosphit good. If I find a good guy I can give him my ring and he can use it for what I assume to be a KP (based on the flavor). If he is bad I can tell you guys. If I get found by a baddie, via death or RB, he can take my ring. I used my actions on Robo and Cheery, and I got they are both not part of Proshit or Derse. This means based on Cheery's flip they are Blue faction or possibly Boxcar members (I am 90% sure green felt are derse members). I am planning on reading S&R based on the fact that they keep asking for a gun.

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EBWOP: Wayward Vagabond is the role name.

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Ctrl+F ring and you'll find very out of place "dont ring me"s before the end of day 2

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K, to clarify. I personally haven't read much of Homestuck, so I am guessing on what Derse/Prosphit alignments are in this game. From what I have gathered reading the homestuck wiki, Green Felt are somesort of ultra powerful faction, so I assumed Derse. The actual flavour of my post is that I am looking for people from these factions, and they can use my ring to shoot people.

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EBWOP: KP = Killing Power

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K, to clarify. I personally haven't read much of Homestuck, so I am guessing on what Derse/Prosphit alignments are in this game. From what I have gathered reading the homestuck wiki, Green Felt are somesort of ultra powerful faction, so I assumed Derse. The actual flavour of my post is that I am looking for people from these factions, and they can use my ring to shoot people.

What on the wiki made you think the Green Felt were likely to be from Derse. Especially as opposed to black scum?

Mostly the fact that Green Felt is so powerful and part of the Homestuck. Black scum is a sub plot from what I have read in Homestuck, not involved in the story. Based on the flips I was thinking pre D3.
Green Scum (Derse)
Black Scum (black)
Prosphit ???
Towns People (blue)
I suspect the majority of people are in the Blue, Green, and blue factions, and Prosphit and Derse based on D3 to be minority town and mafia PRs.

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K, to clarify. I personally haven't read much of Homestuck, so I am guessing on what Derse/Prosphit alignments are in this game. From what I have gathered reading the homestuck wiki, Green Felt are somesort of ultra powerful faction, so I assumed Derse. The actual flavour of my post is that I am looking for people from these factions, and they can use my ring to shoot people.

What on the wiki made you think the Green Felt were likely to be from Derse. Especially as opposed to black scum?

Mostly the fact that Green Felt is so powerful and part of the Homestuck. Black scum is a sub plot from what I have read in Homestuck, not involved in the story. Based on the flips I was thinking pre D3.
Green Scum (Derse)
Black Scum (black)
Prosphit ???
Towns People (blue)
I suspect the majority of people are in the Blue, Green, and blue factions, and Prosphit and Derse based on D3 to be minority town and mafia PRs.

What on the wiki made you think POWERFUL FACTION = FROM DERSE?

Also, did you read about the ring at all? And what happens to it? And who takes it?

It wasn't from the wiki, it was from the acutal in game flips. After N1 there were three factions, green, black and town. My role PM mentions Prosphit and Derse so of those factions I looked up the evil ones on the wiki. Black didn't seem like Dersites given their more earthly powers (they're mafia), so I assumed that. The ring's power may be used to kill according to my posting flavour. My job is to search for the guys that can use it and give it to the good guys.

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VOTE: Unvote
Why is my vote on Avox? It should be on Maenara seeing as he's the scummiest person here.
VOTE: Maenara
Medhi, I don't the way you are pushing DV to vote for me. I feels like you are forcing him to vote me.

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K, to clarify. I personally haven't read much of Homestuck, so I am guessing on what Derse/Prosphit alignments are in this game. From what I have gathered reading the homestuck wiki, Green Felt are somesort of ultra powerful faction, so I assumed Derse. The actual flavour of my post is that I am looking for people from these factions, and they can use my ring to shoot people.

Are you saying that either prospit or derse members could use your ring to kill someone? So basically you could help either faction? I'm a little confused.

No, Derse can take my ring if they kill me. I can only give the ring to Prophit members.

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Yeah, but you're pressuring him on a townread he hasn't had motivation to create till now. I wouldn't have a read on myself at this point in the game, I'm not playing ultra-tellingly right now. I dont get what you are implying about mae, I might have missed something, so please enlighten me.

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Fuck Im so bad
UNVOTE: Maenara. Im gonna reread the thread.

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PM = Private Message. Wayward Vagabond is my role name, Vagabond defected from the Dersites which is why he helped the Homestuck kid in the beggining of Act 2.

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I will target Zdenek tonight.

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Haven't iso'd or anything, gonna make the vote anyway.

Vote: DrippingGoofball.

Brood really needs to get the fuck in here and say what happens to the ring if a) he gets lynched or b) he hands off the ring to Zdenek successfully and is also killed. Basically is the ring some object that is separate from Brood himself (and Brood just happens to have started with it) or can it be "destroyed" by having its associated player die.

Not sure about Zdenek wanting the ring. Don't really trust him, but he's awfully forward about wanting the ring. Gut says town on that. Even better is that, if Zdenek DOES get the ring, then that's a soft confirm that Brood's town. Unless Zdenek and Brood are scum together, but even that's just way too risky.

My bad I missed the questions. If I get lynched the ring is lost, although the ring itself is a separate item from me. Im not sure on the order of the actions (if scum gets to shoot b4 I take my actions), but if Zdenek gets the ring it is his to use.

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Just finished reading D3, haven't come to many conclusions in the way of reads. A lot of the stuff seems to be based upon the flips. That being said I do not see a good reason behind Sanjay's towniness. His joking around on the chopping block and skirting around Vifam seems very strange. I think the N3 should shed more light on the situation.
VOTE: Sanjay

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1. xtopherusD
2. Sanjay combinatorialEnigma
11. Cheery Dog
17. Maenara GaryOak
21. BroodKingEXE
22. ζ (lowercaseZeta)
23. Zdenek Alsark
24. Shrimp85 Guy_Named_Riggs ????
28. Vifam



sanjay scummy as fuck

whoever saids ce was scum gets points

oh holy shit whered this sanjay wagon come from

I think im a bit further than 5 pages behind fffffffffffffffffff

Bumi if youre around did we get a claim out of sanjay? he was shifty as fuck iirc and replaced some crapposter

I'm re-reading backwards, and wasn't looking for any "hints" because it doesnt matter to me when they are both solid town

Sanjays a fine vig target, as is everyone on this fire bomb list:
13. Phillammon
14. torgonitoh [holy shit who IS this seriously?]
15. ActionDan
19. Titan (Ser Arthur Dayne/Tammy)
21. BroodKingEXE
22. ζ (lowercaseZeta)
23. Zdenek Alsark
24. Shinori Shrimp85 Guy_Named_Riggs


with actual SCUM still:
Zdenek
ActionDan
Vifam

I will hammer Sanjay ot end this bullshit of a fucking day but he's been PRETTY TOWN so far

Never noticed how many people Fate wanted dead. Huh...
VOTE: Fate

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Brood since when do you think Fate is scum?

Never, until sane people started pointing out thing he was doing that wasn't consistent. There has been a wider talk about him in the last few pages and I see what they are saying.

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Zdenek was your ring action to save everyone?

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Cause you used it.

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Im assuming the roleblock action was Zdenek's seeing as I have mod-confirmation on him using the ring.

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Sorry about my inactivity. BP vig seems really overpowered, how is scum supposed to kill them?

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I was gone for a day and somehow we've gotten to mass name-claim, and a host of BP roles apparently. Frankly I have no idea what the hell is going on.

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Medhi, who were you going to shoot last night and why?

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This spamfest is more detrimental to town than a BP vig is to scum. Let's just lynch Medhi, the role's not legit.
VOTE: Medhi

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I'm not lying. Mae trolling is the only explanation besides b-modding currently. Vifam you yourself said I don't make sense as scum.

This seems desparate imo.

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About the Zdenek's powers, the mods made a mistake in their PM to me, there was no passive power last night.

[BroodKingEXE]

About the Zdenek's powers, the mods made a mistake in their PM to me, there was no passive power last night.

Explain.

They sent a PM to me saying that Zdenek had used his powers, but they had worded it badly. The really meant he was able to use it.

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I thought he automatically used it based on what the mod said, town got god saves last night. Medhi who did you target last night?

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I think you can kill two birds with one stone, someone roleblocked bumi, which is why Avox never saw him. It's way to risky to have ousted Avox like that. I dont think anyone shot at you last night you did claim BP.

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Sorry V/LA till sunday

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I dont think we should kill Medhi though, his shots have been going to scummy people. Id rather Sanjay get shot, and discussion of other players be addressed. If Medhi, doesn't shoot according to town consensus, we have an instalynch the next day.

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I think the Magua thing was a PR hunt. I figured out a role that Medhi is but telling it would endanger him. Its a 3rd party role, but if I am right town can win with him.

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I think the Magua thing was a PR hunt. I figured out a role that Medhi is but telling it would endanger him. Its a 3rd party role, but if I am right town can win with him.

He's already claimed BP, in addition to having a kill. You cannot possibly endanger him.

There is only one way I can think of that makes this role not OP, and I have seen types of roles like this. If I am right Medhi, has a 3rd party wincon that can be satisfied along with town interests.

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Stop. Medhi's role is to protect Maenara, he is in essence a bodyguard, if Maenara is killed or lynched he Medhi loses. I have seen this role before, and I guarantee Maenara is town (because scum has to kill all 3rd party, Medhi cant kill Maenara). Medhi and town have the same goal, in essence to eliminate scum in order to prevent from dying. Dont lynch Medhi.

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Actually you might be right about the role name I overlooked that , when Maenara comes back can she give her role name so I can confirm this?

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I think that my role makes much more sense considering the circumstances, an SK never gets information on other players cause they are going to kill everyone else anyway.

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Uh, if they're is a roleblocker that plan falls apart completely.

It depends on who we shoot really, obviously we wont aim for the towniest person. The only problem I see is that in the unlikely event someone does RB you, we wont get notified as evidenced by AV's lack of knowledge, and we've gained no knowledge except the fact that scum are playing horribly.

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Mods Is Quilford going to replaced on the next cycle?[\b]

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Uh, if they're is a roleblocker that plan falls apart completely.

It depends on who we shoot really, obviously we wont aim for the towniest person. The only problem I see is that in the unlikely event someone does RB you, we wont get notified as evidenced by AV's lack of knowledge, and we've gained no knowledge except the fact that scum are playing horribly.

Do you think scum have a roleblocker that has unused shots?

I doubt it, but why take a chance? Im saying dont aim for Maenara, who according to you is 100% town.

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Vote: Medhi

I've read. This is clearly the right move.

Have you taken any actions in the past few nights?

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Don't you mean odd numbers? At this point though unless something new there's nothing else I have to add for your suspicions counter.

Who would you lynch today and shoot tonight? This would be a lot easier, to judge you from then Medhi is gonna shoot 1/14 people.

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I never planned to. The idea works like this: I shoot someone we think is scummy (buld will yell me and say whoever the town decides), vifam then protects that person and we next see whether they die or not. I'll still be targeting someone suspected so if the doc doesn't work because it's a lie or somehow rb exists it'll cause someone suspected to die.

He has said no which is why lack of kills is so strange.

^^ @Everyone:Why aren't we fine for this plan tonight?

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I mean in my ideal world we are lynching S&R

TBH I think that S&R's opposition to the plan is that they want protection for themselves tonight. If I was Vifam I would give it to them given how towny they appear to the town (most of the town).

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EBWOP: I think that S&R's reasoning opposing...

Getting another confirmed town would be better, than lynching Medhi. Lynching Medhi doesn't tell us anything really, even about Maenara. Dont like DW's play more than DV's though.
VOTE: DeltaWave

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If medhi shoots me and vifam protects someone else I will be unhappy

DV and DW are pretty much interchangeable. Lynch one, test on the other.

I dont think you're understanding the test, if Vifam is doc we know nothing about the guy he was aiming for.

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Why?

I getting a hesitant/unsure posts from you. You say that you have been thinking aloud in the thread, but everything sounds like it has been warped from what you've been thinking. When, I'm thinking I don't think doubting myself.

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If medhi shoots me and vifam protects someone else I will be unhappy

DV and DW are pretty much interchangeable. Lynch one, test on the other.

I dont think you're understanding the test, if Vifam is doc we know nothing about the guy he was aiming for.

So what if we don't? If the doc worked, it's evidence supporting Vifam Town, and if it failed, the dude dies. Win/Win.

Yes, but the guy we lynch doesn't stay in the game. The guy we dont lynch stays in the game with nothing revealed. Vifam is confirmed to an alignment regardless of the alignment of the guy we dont lynch.

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C'mon Brood look at them quotes

Rock and a hard place, I dont like DW's contributions at all, but those are some sexy connections.

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If medhi shoots me and vifam protects someone else I will be unhappy

DV and DW are pretty much interchangeable. Lynch one, test on the other.

I dont think you're understanding the test, if Vifam is doc we know nothing about the guy he was aiming for.

So what if we don't? If the doc worked, it's evidence supporting Vifam Town, and if it failed, the dude dies. Win/Win.

Yes, but the guy we lynch doesn't stay in the game. The guy we dont lynch stays in the game with nothing revealed. Vifam is confirmed to an alignment regardless of the alignment of the guy we dont lynch.

Okay...? Obviously one of the two will stay alive because we only have one lynch. That dude will be the shot target because if it goes through it's good and if it doesn't then mission accomplished.

I have a feeling I'm not understanding you or something.

Im saying that DV/DW not interchangeable because we dont get alignment confirmation on the non-lynched person (unless Vifam is scum). I guess you're right in that we're gonna get at least one scum out of this whole thing, I'm just saying I think that DW's more likely to be scum imo.

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I mean in my ideal world we are lynching S&R

TBH I think that S&R's opposition to the plan is that they want protection for themselves tonight. If I was Vifam I would give it to them given how towny they appear to the town (most of the town).

No Vifam would obviously protect a confirmed town, such as Nacho.

Nacho's been pretty inactive, he would be better to protect a little bit later than now. I'd be protecting the more vocal players inorder to foster a better town environment.

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Why is DV town, Buld?

Basically I want everything out on the table regarding their impressions of DV and myself so that they can't get away with fence-sitting this lynch away.

DV's posting is more consistent with a sarcastic tone, which makes it feel more genuine. He just feels a lot more natural than other players, something that is hard to pull off from the scum position.

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Last night I dreamt that Vifam was a mafia doctor.... weird.

UNVOTE: DeltaWave
VOTE: DeasVail
If this is really what he was really thinking, he wouldn't have taken his vote off Medhi. Just trying to WIFOM bomb the town.

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But I don't really think Vifam is a scum doc..?

What were you insinating with this then???

Last night I dreamt that Vifam was a mafia doctor.... weird.

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GG Town!

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Maenara killing me Really strange that there were only 3rd parties left, so hats off to the people that wanted Medhi dead good call.