Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

vote:Jason

He'll flake if he's scum.

[Nero Cain]

I'm just mucking around. No malice meant.

[Nero Cain]

In general town are more likely to be ignorant of flavor than scum. Scum are more careful in knowing everything before playing.

If you think this why are you voting Jason?

Though I guess its possible for him to be scum and fake a town tell/go for an easy lynch.

[Nero Cain]

stupid

[Nero Cain]

he is, you are correct.

[Nero Cain]

Zora didn't stutter.

[Nero Cain]

Hey Thad, RVS is over.

[Nero Cain]

nope never heard that one. I guess it makes Zabriel confirmed scum right?

[Nero Cain]

Av what do you think of his possible town tell?

[Nero Cain]

KK does need to cut out the foreplay and get to the action.

[Nero Cain]

lets move my RVS vote!!!

vote:Zoroaster

[Nero Cain]

Jason is likely town and I don't particularly like any of the other three votes on him.

[Nero Cain]

Jason's "townslip" is null to me. I think it could go either way.

I agree with this however, unless Jason starts acting scummy I'm willing to give him town Knuts.

Nero's criticism of the jason wagon comes off as a little funny after he just jumped off it.

No. Just no. I didn't join any Jason wagon. Yes I voted Jason but that was just RVS. You earn 5 scum Sickles for trying to rewrite history.

[Nero Cain]

Why are you role fishing?

[Nero Cain]

That isn't a role fish and you know it. I never asked him for his role OR his character name. It's a simple exercise. If you are going to speculate that roles may not match flavor, wouldn't you check yourself before posting?

So Jason says that we shouldn't assume Snake is even in this game and that even if Snake is in the game we shouldn't assume its a town role/scum role. You then ask if he has flavor that backs this up.

Thats deffiantly a fish. Tell me, how would knowing Jason's flavor help you in scum hunting?

I don't see where Jason town telled.

Of course he coud be faking it here but scum are usally more careful so Jason missing something big earned him some town knuts.

Jason

... that rc vote couldn't really suck any harder.

Nowhere more useful to put it?

You know PV also voted RC. Why the selective scumhunting?

Mod-If its not too much trouble could you but vote couts in order from highest to lowest. E.X.

jasonT1981 - 3 (zabriel, Zoroaster, AurorusVox)
rapidcanyon - 3 (rapidcanyon, PeregrineV, jasonT1981)
BloodCovenant - 3 (Shahrizai, Yates, I Am Innocent)
Zoroaster - 2 (ThAdmiral, Nero Cain)
Yates - 2 (Kublai Khan, Benmage)
Amrun - 1 (Melmond)
Benmage - 1 (Acosmist)

@Zabriel

-Why are you ignoring everything? I mean eventhough KK's vote on you was on page 1 I didn't think it was "RVS" and I thought it was a srs accusation. And then you accused me off jumping off a Jason wagon that I never joined but you have no response to my accusation?

[Nero Cain]

Is Zoroaster and zoraster the same person?

[Nero Cain]

Nero,

why did you vote zoarster?

Why not? I don't like any of the three players on Jason but I'm ignoring AV a bit since his reads are

ALWAYS

terrible and his lack of good voting isn't alignment telling. But with Zabriel ignoring another post its time we pressure and seriously consider lynching him.

vote:Zabriel

[Nero Cain]

You can pressure him without voting if that's your little hearts desire.

Sure but a vote is a much better indication of desire then say a FOS or questioning. Lets say Tammy did pressure Zab without a vote. I can almost guarantee that someone would be all like "oh Tammy you's so scummy. Why u b attackin' Zab with no votes?!?" So its like a damned if she does, damned if she doesn't situation.

[Nero Cain]

Ben, stop.. just stop talking.

I concur.

[Nero Cain]

I buy Acosmist's claim. Usually, when someone claims out of the blue early in the game, they are usually town trying to alert someone of a unique nature of their role (PGO/miller) etc. So, that's one person I am happy to have call town.

Are you even reading the game? Ben has pointed out that there's a long history of scum fakeclaiming stuff. At the same time its also expected? of town to claim stuff like that early. Acomist's life depends on his play. start's being a lurky fluff monster then we kill it.

Though I find it rather odd that Ben is devoting so much time into trying to throw doubt onto Acomist but isn't voting.

1. I haven't found a better target?

Zabriel is a better target.

[Nero Cain]

*If he starts being a lurky fluff monster then we kill it.

[Nero Cain]

I am more enlightening everyone to previously effective scum tactics. I think this is the second time you've made false undermining statements regarding me.

But Ben, all but a few of the playerbase have been here awhile. So there's little need to enlighten. That's cute. Ben pushed back.

I am not a fan of anybody on the Aco wagon.

no one is voting him. lol

Why do people think this is town? Zab is ignoring

EVERYTHING

directed at him. Slot needs death.

[Nero Cain]

The color of the sky would have been an awesome topic. But in all SRSness, all but like 3 of the players are new so spending several posts ranting about how scum in the past have done lolfakeclaim. No it looks very much like you throwing gasoline on him. And its even odder that you have a town read on the slot but you feel its so necessary to "educate" the playerbase that he could be fakeclaiming. Stance makes no sense coming from town.

As far as your "Nero iz makin' false statements about me!!!" Bullshit. I had pointed out that you had lightly attacked Jason for his vote on RC but not PV. That's not a false statement in the least.

[Nero Cain]

Maybe earlier, still it looks like Zab isn't paying attention and light defending you.

MOAR VOTES AND COMMENTS ON ZAB.

[Nero Cain]

AV blows too. Dude is posting it up all over the site, Has no real content in this game, Hops on an EZ/lame Jason wagon. And then votes Yates for...being the leading wagon?

Between Zab, AV and Ben I'd love to spill one of their blood.

[Nero Cain]

Hey THAD, stop postering and vote him. His "I'm pretty sure some of the pressure on him is scum" but not voting for anyone that was putting pressure on Aco looks like a "my buddies be casting doubt but I can't vote them" statement. And even if they aren't its a

IIOA

statement.

[Nero Cain]

Wait. What is this Zab wagon? He simply looks like someone not paying attention to the game to me. His ISO is all of 8 posts of -meh- What am I missing, here?

Quite a lot Yates.

First he jumps on the easy/lame Jason wagon.

Then he criticizes me for jumping off of the dumb Jason wagon that ended up forming.

And then he's like "welp I'm not doing anything since I'm playing high"

He's ignoring

EVERYTHING

coming his way.

And I don't think he's scum hunting at all.

@Zab

-Did you think KK's vote on you was SRS or RVS? If you thought it was serious why did you not respond?

Why did you not answer Ben when he asked what you meant by "playing high" and what did you mean?

Why did you not respond to

Nero's criticism of the jason wagon comes off as a little funny after he just jumped off it.

No. Just no. I didn't join any Jason wagon. Yes I voted Jason but that was just RVS. You earn 5 scum Sickles for trying to rewrite history.

If you think scum are the one's pressuring Aco why are you not attacking any of them?

I don't feel very confident in my reads until day 2 usually.

What would change between day 1 and 2?

Acosmist seems town, and his claim seems legit. I think the FOXDIE part seems like a good explanation to the role.
Right now, out of what has been posted, Yates seems the scummiest to me. His role/flavor fishing doesn't seem good, especially because I get the feel that he's experienced enough to know that that isn't a good thing to do.
I need to do some ISO's and stuff though.

cool beans though we are talking about Zab now. What do you think of him?

[Nero Cain]

Wait. What is this Zab wagon? He simply looks like someone not paying attention to the game to me. His ISO is all of 8 posts of -meh- What am I missing, here?

Quite a lot Yates.

First he jumps on the easy/lame Jason wagon.

Then he criticizes me for jumping off of the dumb Jason wagon that ended up forming.

And then he's like "welp I'm not doing anything since I'm playing high"

He's ignoring

EVERYTHING

coming his way.

And I don't think he's scum hunting at all.

@Zab

-Did you think KK's vote on you was SRS or RVS? If you thought it was serious why did you not respond?

Why did you not answer Ben when he asked what you meant by "playing high" and what did you mean?

Why did you not respond to

Nero's criticism of the jason wagon comes off as a little funny after he just jumped off it.

No. Just no. I didn't join any Jason wagon. Yes I voted Jason but that was just RVS. You earn 5 scum Sickles for trying to rewrite history.

If you think scum are the one's pressuring Aco why are you not attacking any of them?

I don't feel very confident in my reads until day 2 usually.

What would change between day 1 and 2?

Acosmist seems town, and his claim seems legit. I think the FOXDIE part seems like a good explanation to the role.
Right now, out of what has been posted, Yates seems the scummiest to me. His role/flavor fishing doesn't seem good, especially because I get the feel that he's experienced enough to know that that isn't a good thing to do.
I need to do some ISO's and stuff though.

cool beans though we are talking about Zab now. What do you think of him?

[Nero Cain]

DEATH TO THE PONY ALT!!!!

[Nero Cain]

First of all

AV blows too. Dude is posting it up all over the site, Has no real content in this game, Hops on an EZ/lame Jason wagon. And then votes Yates for...being the leading wagon?

Between Zab, AV and Ben I'd love to spill one of their blood.

FUCKING GO ME!!!

I betcha I die tonight 'cause scum thinks I'm the dv.

you may be right about AV actually, looking in ISO

Given the flip, this post looks a bit bad. If Jason is scum with AV then he might be saying that I was "right" for some town cred.

I don't think much of any of the votes on me. They aren't really high on my list of shit I care about

Bleh. On one side of the fence. Scum wouldn't be so blisteringly anti-town. On the other side I just don't care and find the hydra/alt slot scummy and derpy as hell. And I'm fairly ticked off that he's not responding to me.

I'm pretty sure some of the pressure on him is scum looking to push a mislynch.

pressure on Aco was stupid town

Hello cognitive dissonance.

and is it just me, or is there a distinct lack of posting for a game this size?

no its lurkergate. And given that AV scum was mad lurking we probs have other scum lurking.

Kise has failed to meet activity requirements so a search for a replacement will now begin. If he posts within the thread before a replacement is found he will remain in the game.

BloodCovenant has recieved his first prod.

YEEEEEAAAAH READING NOW

/CONFIRM

the only reason why i'm playing the game, thank god your back in.

You are the biggest fucking douche on this site.

lol @ PV scumhunting AV after he got shot.

he's calling Nero town and saying that he seems genuine.

My bolierplate warning.

No scumtell is EVER 100%.

But at the same time, scum are also very likely to call their pusher town in an attempt to get the pusher to back off.

[Nero Cain]

Fair enuff but why are you not persuing any of the people putting pressure on Aco?

[Nero Cain]

I'm starting to dislike the zabriel wagon. Has the non-resistant feel of a wagon on town.

We should probably still be killing it since its nothing but a distraction/mislynch bait and a town night action magnet.

Wow, first time I've seen a daykill before.

Not much information.

From what we've got out though, it looks like flavor is matching the works pretty well, since if I remember right Psycho Mantis is the guy that can read your mind and keep you from doing things. Roleblocker fits that well.

I'm not sure we're dealing with coaching. It's possible, but it seems like the kind of thing you'd say to create fake associative tells. I don't know AV's scum meta, but it felt a lot like the last micro I played with him. He was arrogant, but he managed to peg the scum team pretty early in that game. I have townread on Yates, but if we're dealing with

two mafias,

Jason might not actually be a bad vote.

For now, I think I'm going to jump over to the KK wagon because I agree with the points put forth by RC and Kise.
VOTE: KK

This post is just full of fence sitting/IIoA.


what do you mean two mafias?

He either is scum and knows that the size of his scum team is too small to be the only one or he thinks there are mafias. Why you needed to ask that is beyond me.

vote:Zab

[Nero Cain]

As far as your "Nero iz makin' false statements about me!!!" Bullshit. I had pointed out that you had lightly attacked Jason for his vote on RC but not PV. That's not a false statement in the least.

Its not necessary, because there's nothing wrong with selectivity in questioning. Slightly different yet similar scenario: I want to question players A+B over something they both did (like RC/PV) But I want player A's answer to be uninfluenced. I ask him first, than I ask player B... Always motives. For me, it was more a focus thing. Deal with 1 thing at a time to not be too distracted doing too many things.

+ the unnecessary jape at me selecting a segment from Jason telling me to stop talking.

Do you just post for the sake of reading your own posts? I read it the first time. So why you feel the need to repeat yourself is beyond me. From my POV you lightly attacked Jason, I think its plenty reasonable to ask why you were only asking/attacking one person and not the other. And even if you thought my question was unnecessary...unnecessary=//=false. That's pretty derpy, dude.

What did you learn from Jason?

Why did you never follow up on the subject with PV?

Update: I officially declare zabriel full of fail

FIFY!!!

I'm starting to dislike the zabriel wagon. Has the non-resistant feel of a wagon on town.

We should probably still be killing it since its nothing but a distraction/mislynch bait and a town night action magnet.

Come on this is bad justification.

So in your opinion we should let him live so he can active lurk and do nothing the whole game while he sits there and eats up information targets and (if town) makes an acceptable scapegoat that scum can tunnel on.

If he's town he should be modkilled anyways + town loose games 'cause town are to afraid to policy lynch n crap. Would you really want to trust this guy in LYLO?

That last post from IAI sucks dick!!!. I think its a slight scumtell to ISO since you should be reading the whole game instead. + it looks like jumping on the highest wagon instead of trying to find who the scummiest player is 'cause THE WHOLE "CATCHUP" POST IS DEDICATED TO ZAB. I simply do not get a town vibe from this 'cause I think you'd have more to say then just about one person.

I have an incredibly desire to switch gears and kill IAI.

[Nero Cain]

I haven't answered the getting high question because I feel like it's the kind of thing that takes away from actual discussion since it's not exactly a game question,

I'm not actually interested in it but I want/ed to start seeing you do something. But you know what? I did ask you a bunch of game relevant questions. So why are ignoring those?

[Nero Cain]

Bad like Midas bad.

[Nero Cain]

I'm scum with KK?

[Nero Cain]

If you think scum IAI would just blindly hop on the easiest wagon when BC is the #2 wagon and that is who I voted the whole part prior to the day kill is just dumb.

Unless the leading wagon is a buddy then yeah, I think you'll hop on.

Though my problem is that instead of taking the time to get back home and retype what you supposedly lost your whole "catch-up" is about Zab and nothing else that has happened. That's why it looks like you A.) really really wanted to get a foot on that wagon and B.) really really wanted to get a post in so you wouldn't get called for lurking. Neither of which gives me town vibes.

@nero, i just noted two possible slips where he indicated more than 1 scum team. interesting shit man.

I doubt even scum would know if there are more teams. I think it is best to wait to day 2 to see if its possible. Can't tell anything now.

BUT

Given the flip was just 'Mafia Roleblocker' I am thinking just one team. As there was no faction name etc.

If you join a game and your scum team is small then its pretty easy to guess.

I think its shitty but I have been in games with two unnamed teams.

I have no issue with IAI asking Ben for his scum reads, Ben saying no doesn't fill with joy. Though I do agree that IAI should. Ben needs to do it as well.

Gonna have to agree here. IAI is asking for a lot of information, which could be the start of a kill-list for tonight.

IAI Asking for a list of who someone thinks is scum is actually a kill list?

I must be missing alot in my drugged state tonight.

Yes. He asked for Ben's biggest town reads too.

edit: Zab owned Jason. lol

Multiball is catchy but its a stupid term.

[Nero Cain]

IDK, at this point I wouldn't mind running up both Zab and IAI but we can only lynch one person.....

Roles are meant to be random so its not like an inexperienced player can't be scum. I have serious issues with him not answering questions about his game play. Though at the same time his "scumminess" could just be inexperience. Scum take who they want to lylo, its our job to try to weed out distractions and stuff that gives town less of a chance to win. And the slot is scummy anyways so it needs death.

But between the two I don't really care who gets strung up.

[Nero Cain]

So in your opinion we should let him live so he can active lurk and do nothing the whole game while he sits there and eats up information targets and (if town) makes an acceptable scapegoat that scum can tunnel on.

If he's town he should be modkilled anyways + town loose games 'cause town are to afraid to policy lynch n crap. Would you really want to trust this guy in LYLO?

I don't even think you can accuse him of active lurking. At worst he's not answering

some

questions put to him.

Wait, why should he be modkilled? Where did that come from?

It's nowhere near lylo, why do you feel you need to reduce this argument to an absurd abstraction like that?

Lemme ask you a question Thad. If you had serious questions about my gameplay and therefore my alignment and I ignored them you'd have a scum read on me correct?

I have more to say on this but I'd like your answer first.

Don't think highly of the noise Nero is making

Me? Noise? WTF?

Oh, Nero denies responsibility for the kill. Maybe it's ~wifom~ but he might be back on the cart.

look who's hunting for the dayvig.

I agree with PV that Snifits "skipping" doesn't do anything for me.

I have seen, once, scum self vote.

I'm also annoyed by the fact he is replacing out because I tend to give people that replace in leeway,

this is exactly why scum replace out.

Instead of try to smooth things over and explain away the heat on him he just leaves with saying a bunch of nonsense. And there's a distinct lack of scumhunting too.

[Nero Cain]

Lemme ask you a question Thad. If you had serious questions about my gameplay and therefore my alignment and I ignored them you'd have a scum read on me correct?

I have more to say on this but I'd like your answer first.

Probably, but (and this might not sound fair) I hold you to a higher standard.

Only probably? I had figured that you'd defiantly have a scum read on me but I wanted to hear it from you. The point was that its ant-town to ignore questions. Asking question and getting responces can greatly influence those reads. Therefore not responding to questions is hindering our reads on him

AND

him being inexperinced has nothing to do with him avoiding questions.

It's nowhere near lylo, why do you feel you need to reduce this argument to an absurd abstraction like that?

Not boiling anything down. I find the slot scummy and therefore want the slot gone (since thats what I'M supposed to do;lynch scum) but,

AS AND ADDED BONUS

, this slot shouldn't even get a whiff of lylo if it continues to play like this. If that was my sole justification, as you seem to imply, then it would apply to like over half the playes on this site...

I'm also annoyed by the fact he is replacing out because I tend to give people that replace in leeway,

this is exactly why scum replace out.

Instead of try to smooth things over and explain away the heat on him he just leaves with saying a bunch of nonsense. And there's a distinct lack of scumhunting too.

True, but I think its poor form to use replacing out as a scumtell, because there are often genuine reasons behind it.
[/quote]
I agree though no one is doing this. Replacing out is null. I was merely stating that scum do replace out since there are playeers like you that will give replaced slot leeway/townie points.

I've only read the first 5ish pages so far and the

IaI ISO

.

Whats the name of that tell again?

Scummy:
Jason

Nero Cain

dat OMGUS

[Nero Cain]

^^^^
::good posting::

[Nero Cain]

^^^^
::good posting::

that was meant to be directed at Kise

Whats the name of that tell again?

I IsO'd him BEFORE replacing in you idiot.

A lil' defensive there eh?

[Nero Cain]

I might be replying to all this bullshit later. Though I will say that I didn't even find Yates scummy. I asked why he was fishing and then explained how it was fishing but never even voted him. AP's desperate attempt to link me and BC might be trying to get his buddy some town cred. And given that I was the one the "lead" the IAI wagon and then I'm AP's top scum read for a bunch of bullshit makes me think this is just a OMGUS in disguise.

vote:AP

[Nero Cain]

Nah AP's not for lynching.

Melmond votes are good though.

nope, we kill the stupid and scummy avian slot

[Nero Cain]

Didn't you claim to have read IAI's ISO? In his 288 he's responding to me after I called him scum and now you're all like "well I didn't read it." Shit makes no sense. Continue with the lynching of the liar bird.

[Nero Cain]

Is AP usually this terrible?

[Nero Cain]

you do know what he's doing right?

[Nero Cain]

AP mudslings and Nero responds

Spoiler:

Spoiler: NeroCain wall with responses

Wait. What is this Zab wagon? He simply looks like someone not paying attention to the game to me. His ISO is all of 8 posts of -meh- What am I missing, here?

Quite a lot Yates.

First he jumps on the easy/lame Jason wagon.
1.

Lol, Jason deserved/s votes. Zabriel being on the wagon is not scummy

Then he criticizes me for jumping off of the dumb Jason wagon that ended up forming.
2.

Yes, YOUR interactions with the jason wagon are scummy. not Zabriels

3.And then he's like "welp I'm not doing anything since I'm playing high"

Smearing, misrepping. There are also other lurkers (like IaI, AV, Shah). Why are you misrepping Zabriel and accusing him of not participating.

He's ignoring

EVERYTHING

coming his way.

And I don't think he's scum hunting at all.
4.

Its not good scum hunting, but he at least has opinions on the Acosmist claim and suspicions thereof.

5.

@Zab

-Did you think KK's vote on you was SRS or RVS? If you thought it was serious why did you not respond?

Because not responding is totally a scum tell. Not.

Why did you not answer Ben when he asked what you meant by "playing high" and what did you mean?

Really? Who cares. You are just posting for the sake of posting now.

Why did you not respond to

Nero's criticism of the jason wagon comes off as a little funny after he just jumped off it.

No. Just no. I didn't join any Jason wagon. Yes I voted Jason but that was just RVS. You earn 5 scum Sickles for trying to rewrite history.

If you think scum are the one's pressuring Aco why are you not attacking any of them?

6.

I don't feel very confident in my reads until day 2 usually.

What would change between day 1 and 2?

I don't know. A flip? Maybe 2?

Acosmist seems town, and his claim seems legit. I think the FOXDIE part seems like a good explanation to the role.
Right now, out of what has been posted, Yates seems the scummiest to me. His role/flavor fishing doesn't seem good, especially because I get the feel that he's experienced enough to know that that isn't a good thing to do.
I need to do some ISO's and stuff though.

cool beans though we are talking about Zab now. What do you think of him?

7. LOL, stop redirecting Melmond's attention.

1.lol no. AVscum was on this wagon since it was an EZ hop. It doesn't nessisatily mean that Zab and Zor are scum just b/c they were on a wagon with scum but it does show that scum hopped on the Jason wagon and that others may have. Your position that Jason deserved votes is fucking derpy. He's atleast 50% confirmed town.

2. There was no

WAGON

. A wagon sprung up after I RVSed him but I never joined anything. Hence Zab's and your point is full of fail.

3. He was asked about this. He didn't respond so that's his fault not mine.

4. Opinions=//=scumhunting.

5. It can be, yes.

6. Well we've had a flip so he can start doing shit now.

7. But the Acomist crap is so page 4. We are long past that and its time to disscuss other players.

no its lurkergate. And given that AV scum was mad lurking we probs have other scum lurking.

1.Because obviously one lurking scum means that more are. Derp.

lol @ PV scumhunting AV after he got shot.

2. That is a town tell if anything though.

But at the same time, scum are also very likely to call their pusher town in an attempt to get the pusher to back off.

3. What? Nope. Nice excuse to keep pushing Zabriel though.

God I hope as I read further someone corrected this^.

@zabriel Sometimes mods will not include main characters (I know crazy). And also sometimes they won't include them, BUT they will give them to scum as SAFECLAIMS.

This makes Zabriel town though, no? I mean as long as were giving jason town points for slipping . Except Zabriel is too new to likely be pulling a BS stunt.

4.

FoS Kublai Khan

for his Zabriel case. Nope. For someone willing to give townpoints to jason for slipping, you don't see Zabriel's

misunderstanding of safe claims

to be townie? Especially considering hes not likely to be "purposely town slipping". Nope. And more nope. And a token 'why' tossed to Thadmiral about why he thinks the Zabriel wagon is shit.

That last post from IAI sucks dick!!!. I think its a slight scumtell to ISO since you should be reading the whole game instead. + it looks like jumping on the highest wagon instead of trying to find who the scummiest player is 'cause THE WHOLE "CATCHUP" POST IS DEDICATED TO ZAB. I simply do not get a town vibe from this 'cause I think you'd have more to say then just about one person.

I have an incredibly desire to switch gears and kill IAI.

5.ITT: Nero Cain preemptively prepares to jump ship to an IaI wagon pending general response. The town motivation behind your posts is blinding.

Why would you [IaI] join a game to be v/la for the first two weeks... Mind blowing...[/quote
6. This

1. Is this your first large? Scum lurk like crazy in larges.

2.Cool but I never said anything about it being scummy. Read better.

3. You either have no experience on this site or you are an alt playing like he's new since scum call their pusher town all the time.

4. Defend Zab harder!!! Zab wan't saying anything about that he didn't understand the term fake claim. How you got that, idk.

5.Yep. I looked into my crystal ball and it told me that there would be a IAI wagon forming soon. *facepalm*

6.We'll let Ben answer this but I don't think he was saying anything about IAI being a town read for that.

[Nero Cain]

you do know what he's doing right?

I think I do, actually.

IMO, I think he's just mudslinging and trying to make things personal so he and/or his buddies can be all like "herr derr Nero doesn't like AP" so silly players will be less likely to vote him"

His slot needs death and he needed it 6 pages ago.

[Nero Cain]

lol @ AP thinkin' I called him town.

Melmond is fairly scummy I guess but there are scummier players in the game like you, snifit and Zab.

[Nero Cain]

bump

STOP IT!!!

We'll post in your shitty just hold the fuck on.

[Nero Cain]

Why not just post something after reading everything with your conclusions, rather than FoS'ing everyone in the game?

'cause he's scum and wants to be active while not really doing anything.

@AP full case on melmund plox?

[Nero Cain]

AP are you a Pidgey alt?

[Nero Cain]

AV voted Jason in RVS.

No. His vote on Jason was defiantly a wagon hop.

And I am OMGUSing you (in your alternative universe anyways), and I'm not calling you town. But that is apparently ALSO a scum tell to you. So you are apparently an idiot scum

What is this crap? I've been here longer than you (unless you are an alt). There is no scum playbook, no they do this but don't do that. No scum tell is 100%, the most accurate tell is probably the [for lack of a catchy name] "posting it up in other threads with ignoring a certain game" Not all scum will give a pusher a town read but some do in an attempt to get the pusher off their backs. Some scum will OMGUS (as you have) some scum will flat out ignore accusations. Tells are nice and all but intent is probably a better indication of alignment.

This is all rhetorical since I don't trust you to give me a fair answer but lets say you had called a slot scum, slot comes under immense pressure, slot replaces out, new occupant of the slot calls the pusher of the old occupant scum. Would you not find that suspicious? Would you not think OMGUS? I'm betting you would.

"

BUT I DIDN'T SEE WHERE YOU CALLED HIM SCUM/PUT A CASE ON HIM

"

Which is a load of bullshit since you've pointed out 2 or 3 times that you read IAI's ISO. In IAI's ISO he's quoting me and responding to me. So your claiming to have read his ISO + not have seen me call him scum is a big ole' fat lie and if you are lying about one thing...

Zabriel flat out DID NOT UNDERSTAND the concept of a fake claim. Do you honestly think he is scum and gambiting. And if you don't think scum have safe claims, then ?

I don't really see him claiming that scum would never claim Snake and the Ben reminding him that it could be a safeclaim as Zab not understanding a fake claim. I have been in a game without fake claims but most mods do give them. I can see where you are coming from but I think its null at best. Zab could easily be scum and call ACO town with the rational that "scum wouldn't claim that" 'cause you know....they couldn't.

Zabriel said he was smoking weed. Who cares? Why are you interjecting this in there as an argument against Zabriel?? It was a horrendous thing to talk about after he brought it up and don't pass off the fact you are trying to make Zabriel look scummy for it onto Benmage.

Context is everything. Zab has been ignoring

ALOT

of questions. Ben had asked what he meant. I asked him if he ever answered that. But this does bring up a important question. Why are you selectively scumhunting? I'm a scumread for asking if Zab ever answered this but Ben is a town read for asking this? lol wut?

But I don't even get why you are bringing this up. I was responding to "Why would you [IaI] join a game to be v/la for the first two weeks... Mind blowing" All I said was that I don't think this was Ben trying to caim IAI was town for that as you seemed to imply.

and no, I'm not a pidgey alt. Thanks for the smear/misrep though.

What is wrong with you? Asking you a question is not smearing/misrepping.

[Nero Cain]

Do I need to read them or can someone summarize them for me.

Just a bunch of useless arguing. IAI replaced out and his replacement obviously isn't potty trained since he's filled the thread with crap but obviously I'm a bias source.

[Nero Cain]

And I'm selectively scum hunting? How? I have at least 5 people on my FoS list the last time I checked.

1.You should read
2. Do you even understand the term selective scum hunting?

[Nero Cain]

@Kise, Ben

-Is this really scum or is his derpyness just inexperience?

[Nero Cain]

no. you fucking go back and read it.

[Nero Cain]

you hadn't read the wall but you found where I accused you of selective scumhunting but it was to hard to read the sentence after that explained it....schools have really gone down hill these days.

[Nero Cain]

zabriel - 5 (

jasonT1981

,

Kublai Khan,

Zoroaster

,

Cybertronix,

BloodCovenant

)

Really doubting that everyone on the Zab wagon is town. Kind of nullish on jason, I think BC and Zoro are town. I would not at all mind a Cybertronix wagon.

KK is also orange but you rather wagon a softer/weaker target in cyber?

[Nero Cain]

I don't care about OMGUS at all. Its not a scumtell. I've seen town OMGUS harder than scum actually.

This is actually true. I was guilty of it Day 1 of this game (The Mystery at Lake Village) and The Director did it for the next two days in a row.
I agree with this in a sense since scum need to be more careful than town but that doesn't mean that scum don't OMGUS.

IDK, I kinda think AV scum would be less likely tell his buddy to sheep him but idk.

[Nero Cain]

I don't care about OMGUS at all. Its not a scumtell. I've seen town OMGUS harder than scum actually.

This is actually true. I was guilty of it Day 1 of this game (The Mystery at Lake Village) and The Director did it for the next two days in a row.

I agree with this in a sense since scum need to be more careful than town but that doesn't mean that scum don't OMGUS.


IDK, I kinda think AV scum would be less likely tell his buddy to sheep him but idk.

FIFY, Nero!!!

[Nero Cain]

Het hypocrite scum!!!

Since you don't like *your* questions ignored why don't you tell me about 538 where both KK and Cyber are colored as scum reads but you much rather wagon the softer Cyber.

IDK, I kinda think AV scum would be less likely tell his buddy to sheep him but idk.

Wait. What? Are you saying scum have day talk?

Are you kidding me?

AV told Cyber in game to sheep him.

[Nero Cain]

AP, whats your Amrun read?

[Nero Cain]

Amrun is hardcore stalling. Probs scum.

I think there's a good chance that Cyber is less likely to be an AV buddy. While its a decent assumption that we have multiple scum teams since its a large, its not confirmed. And the only other players that would know this mutlteam scum is scum.

+You have a scum "read" voting your other scum read...and you aren't questioning your cyber read which seems non-townish.

+you are a scum read.

[Nero Cain]

I concur with Nero. Amrun lurk is a bigggg scumtell. I'd be willing to string that slot up.

Just for lurking??

no. She was posting all over the site while not reading the 5 pages she promised to read but IMO, she should have been fully caught up with how active she is.

[Nero Cain]

8 posts in name of the wind

1 post in political corruption

3 posts in GD

Just shut up and play and stop being a whiny lil' prick.

[Nero Cain]

How did you know my middle name was insensitive?!?

[Nero Cain]

Are you retarded?

Are you retarded?

dems hostile werds. She's a big girl, she can take it.

[Nero Cain]

What is the likelihood of there being multiple teams? And would a flip from a 2nd team make that obvious or probably not?

Very likely. 2 scum team games are all the rage these days but I wouldn't expect more than 6-7 scum.

And yeah...if a second team flips its confirmed we have a 2nd team...

[Nero Cain]

Conversely, there is literally NOTHING more important in Nero's life than mafiascum and you are ruining his experience. No friends. No job. No pets. Just a dark room under the basement stairs where he is fed nothing but generic Mountain Dew and Twinkies. Stop being so selfish.

shit doesn't even make sense. It was so

absurd

of me to suspect her slot in a game of

mafia

. Clearly its impossible for her to have a scum pm since someone in her family died. Its okay for her to call me retarded but its not okay for me to think she's being whiny. Please stop saying stupid shit this game.

Hey AP, what made yo get off of Melmund again?

[Nero Cain]

no one said anything about replacing out ITT.

[Nero Cain]

They were accusing me, I think. I never said you should replace out.

edit: Oh Yates said you should?

So why am I "retarded" for *gasps* suspecting you of being scum (which you yourself admit to ignoring the game) but not Ben?

[Nero Cain]

Is AP scum?

[Nero Cain]

AP, what did I do on page 1-3 that earned ,e a scum read?

[Nero Cain]

At nero:on phone watching Giants game, but you kept a RV up despite berating others for doing random votes and saying it was over.

lol nope. My only random vote was on Jason. Please die liar scum.

[Nero Cain]

You voted jason randomly.

Then you called yoir jason vote Random

and took it off

Are you on drugs? Why would I leave my random vote on Jason when there was actual content?

[Nero Cain]

So...you found me scummy for randomly voting Jason and then taking that random vote off of Jason? Yea, your on drugs or something.

[Nero Cain]

There was no reason to move my vote yet. There was content in the thread to post about. I had already given my opinion.

[Nero Cain]

and why you couldn't say this when you called me scum after reading page 3....means its some made of bird poo.

[Nero Cain]

why you're not voting Cyber?

already explained.

Would anybody be interested in killing that scummy as fuck snifit?

[Nero Cain]

but I see some interest in IAI in the last couple of pages which I'll be looking at after I take a break.

votes BC

No objections to the IAI wagon from me.

His vote still rests on BC

Melmond votes are good though.

You guessed it, still BC!!!!

so I might to rethink my vote. Not sure if I want Cyber or Melmond instead.

And fence sat.

Oh, Nero denies responsibility for the kill. Maybe it's ~wifom~ but he might be back on the cart.

I don't know what "back on the cart" means but it looks like he wants to find out who the daykiller is.

And yeah, he is hardcore buddying AP and its not like he's not buddying just 'cause AP said "inb4"

[Nero Cain]

lemme read him again, i reread cyber and I don't think he looks scummy.

[Nero Cain]

meh. Memond has a few scummy posts. He'd be a better lynch that Cyber. You have town reads on both AP and Snifit right?

[Nero Cain]

I believe parroting is usually a better scumtell.

I don't care about OMGUS at all. Its not a scumtell. I've seen town OMGUS harder than scum actually.

This is actually true. I was guilty of it Day 1 of this game (The Mystery at Lake Village) and The Director did it for the next two days in a row.
I agree with this in a sense since scum need to be more careful than town but that doesn't mean that scum don't OMGUS.

IDK, I kinda think AV scum would be less likely tell his buddy to sheep him but idk.

Oh and amrun , when looking at cybertronix, please note that avox told cyber to sheep him onto Yates.

Fuck. You're right. (again) That's a super-ballsy move for scum to make.

Fuck it, I'm just going to sheep Tammy. She's reading the game better than I am right now.

Am I being parroted?


I have a null read on BC. I guess he could be scum and keep sugesting a PL b/c he knows they aren't scum/aren't in his scum group.

[Nero Cain]

Zab talked himself back into the leaning scum pile with that Jester nonsense.

but it was Melmond that suggested jester. The hell is wrong with you Yates?

vote: Melmond

[Nero Cain]

I'm tossing Yates back into my null pile. This is like the third or 4th time his made false and derpy statements like this.

[Nero Cain]

I've played with him like thrice. He's derpy but I don't remember him being this bad.

[Nero Cain]

town

4.
5. Kise
10. Acosmist
8. PeregrineV
15. ThAdmiral
6. Cybertronix
18. Tammy
19. Kublai Khan
16. jasonT1981

notes-slot 4 was empty and there's not enuff content from Shahriza to judge but lets see what mykonian does. Kise should

probably

be in the null pile but I suck at reading Kise and I'm willing to let him ride on the town side for now.

null

20. rapidcanyon
7. BloodCovenant
12. Yates
9. Amrun

scum

11. Zoroaster
13. Benmage
14. AngryPidgeon
3. zabriel
17. snifit
2. Melmond

notes-I still think AP is lying about not seeing where I called IAI and many of his points against me are just flat out wrong. Ben is pretty interesting. I don't really get his "Well Aco is a town read...but hey guys he could be faking" + for self proclaimed "best player on the site" I don't like him sitting there and not doing a whole lot. That said I usually have a scum read on him 'cause well I just find him infuriating, which he probably does on purpose. Not sure if its being so new but Zoro just gives me a weird vibe. He doesn't seem to make alot of sense.

[Nero Cain]

I see Cyber's wagon is smaller so
Vote: Cybertronix

You don't vote people based on the size of thier wagon. You vote based on weather or not you think they are scum unless...

[Nero Cain]

no, I'm with Ben here. Prolonging days for the sake of prolonging days is scummy

but what does seem rather odd is he's "like lets end the day but I'm going to vote someone who isn't going to get lynched while calling one of the leading wagons scum."

[Nero Cain]

That is a good point.

[Nero Cain]

Spoiler:

1.Nero, why the hell would I lie about that??

I do not think OMGUS is a scum tell. Are you saying I lied about not seeing your case so I could attack you without being accused of OMGUS?
I'm not lying
2. Why is Cyber a town read?
3. Which points?
4. Even if I did think OMGUS is a scumtell, why would I then intentionally go for you instead of, I don't know, BloodCovenent/Zabriel/etc?
5. Cross-replacement OMGUS is still lolz.

1. I have no clue. All I know is that you said you ISO'd IAI and then you were all like "gosh, I never saw where you called IAI scummy."
2. I've already explained this. I think AV would be less likely to tell his buddy to sheep him and Cyber's ISO just doesn't look scummy to me.
3. Off the top of my head, you were lying that I found Yates scummy for his "fishing"; only BC said it was scummy. You claiming that I called you town is horrible.
4. Scum do OMGUS. You seem to be drifting between "I didn't OMGUS." and "Well I did...but its a towntell."
5. I think I asked you this before and you never responded to it, which is fine since its rhetorical but I think you'd be fairly suspicions that right after you call a slot scum they replace out and their replacement calls them scum but you actually didn't even vote me until I said you committed a scumtell. And you never gave any reason why I was a scum read in the first place till later.

no one said anything about replacing out ITT.

To be fair, you've certainly implied it.

to be fair, no I didn't.

nero calls me town while my predescor has 4 posts.

not exactly. True your slot is in the town pile but that's b/c I think there are scummier slots in the game. What was the point of listing all the players in the game and stating weather or not you've played with them?

meh. Memond has a few scummy posts. He'd be a better lynch that Cyber. You have town reads on both AP and Snifit right?

Point them out pls.

Why do you want me to do your work for you?

Good boy, Nero Cain. Good boy. Who's a good boy? You are.

*wags tail*

But I was legit asking if Tammy was sheeping me but I did want to make it clear that I was the one that said the sheeping thing first since both you and Thad seem to have just ignored it, not that I care about "credit". I mean Thad thinks I'm sheeping Tammy with my Cyber town read.

[Nero Cain]

Also, why do you "care" about my Cyber town read when you are voting melmund? lol

+

How convenient that RC shows up when his name is called...

[Nero Cain]

Yeah NC the wagon I was on and really helped launch too.

But I read some of Acos last posts... daring us to lynch him.

DO YOU WANT A PGO IN LYLO?? I don't... So lets give him his wish and end him.

We can discuss his lynch the next day. I'm agreeing with you that we need a lynch. For you to say "we need a lynch but I'm going to vote someone that has little or no chance of going through today." is just stupid. If you believe we need a lynch then vote one of the top wagons and help us reach a lynch. You've been weird this entire game. If you are town please stop this "teehee Ima be anti-town!!! WEE-EEEE!!!" + you had a town read on Aco earlier...

[Nero Cain]

I have read the game up until my last wall post.

So what has he lead the town to do?

You don't think I'm leading at all?

[Nero Cain]

ok, starting the read of this monstrosity now.

@KK. Kuribo then, I guess. I don't know korlash other then by name.

nero calls me town while my predescor has 4 posts.

not exactly. True your slot is in the town pile but that's b/c I think there are scummier slots in the game.

What was the point of listing all the players in the game and stating weather or not you've played with them?

Bolded stinks.

So you think POE is bad? I'd say there are going to be no more than 6-7 scum. Between, Melmund, RC, Kise, Snifit, AP, Ben, Zab, Zoro, I feel I has a nice batch of suspects. So unless you are claiming scum and knowing that any of those scum reads are wrong then I don't see how you find my "not scum read" on your slot unlogical.

saying that anyone who votes you is scum and that's how we should catch them...

I'm pretty sure that's the way half of this site plays now days.

Same. Though it's a coin flip at this point. While AP has done nothing to shake my suspicion of him, Melmond has been miserable. Acosmist has been weird. Zab has been scummy.

uh ooo. Yates with a good post,

JasonT is very much on to Kise me thinks.

Zoro is still scum.

1. Why is playing subpar a scumtell?

'bc Alts and even more experienced players will sit there and play badly/"pretend to not know what is going on/on to play" and chalk it up to newness or being "off".

This isn't a newbie game. Stop looking for "tells" and start looking for intent.

I think Benmage was more directly responsible for the IaI wagon.

lol no.

[Nero Cain]

bc Alts and even more experienced players will sit there and play badly/"pretend to not know what is going on/on to play" and chalk it up to newness or being "off".

This isn't a newbie game. Stop looking for "tells" and start looking for intent.

I hope that was directed to RC.

No, you.I'm not going to do it (so don't ask) but I've seen many many many many town players get lynched for "scum telling" and scum skate by for "not scum telling" Tells are nice and all but

most

experienced players are able to avoid them.

I'm pretty sure that's the way half of this site plays now days.

Are you now admitting that OMGUS is a null-tell >.> <.< >.>

ok, so you are admitting to playing scummy to try and attract scum. Wich is just WIFOM.

Lets policy lynch this fool.

[Nero Cain]

and I'm not really liking the "shut up or I could put you in the naughty corner" tone either.

Well you would save me one less stamp if I take you off my x-mas card list...

and I'm not really liking the "shut up or I could put you in the naughty corner" tone either.

You need to finish reading the game before commenting on post 800+ stuff...

This.

The fact that Melmond and AP are avoiding each other makes me think they could both be scum. To that end, I'd be willing to vote Melmond if the wagon hits 8 before Frankenstorm knocks out my internet.

AP *may* have been distancing from his buddy since he was so sure Mel was scum then some crap Cyber wagon popped up.

I'm getting a little burned out on day 1 discussion

This. Day 1 should have been over like 6 pages ago.

[Nero Cain]

Nero-I wasn't exactly Sheeping you with the cybertronix thing but through thread evidence I guess I was.

Oh I know. I guess you just missed it. Like I said I wanted to clear the air since Thad accused me of sheeping you and I think KK missed it too but we're all town (I think) and we gotta help each other find the scum.

[Nero Cain]

All this Mastin eg stroking ismaking me very hot and horny.

I love you Tammy. XOXO

[Nero Cain]

Well Cyber is likely town and he's [Mastin] good in the sack (but Tammy is better)

VOTE:Snifit

Dude is flying way under the radar and his quick vote on townMEL instead of explaining his "this wagon is smaller so I'll vote it" is scummy scummy scummy.

One other point is that Mel was a counterwagon to AP who was a counter wagon to Zab. I think its very likely there's scum in Zab/AP.

Kise needs love to, some folks need to vote him.

[Nero Cain]

Two more things.

There's probably scum in those players tat were all like "oh we might have two scum teams"

and my computer at home is acting wierd so my net acsess might be spotty for the next few days.

[Nero Cain]

And if Snifit flips scum? Do you think his massive budding of AP would make AP more likely town or scum?

[Nero Cain]

ok so tell me why are you fluff posting well out of RVS?

[Nero Cain]

Nero, you're accusing me of fluff posting? Good Lord.

yes. If you're saying that your vote wasn't serious then its fluff 'cause why in the world would you put a non serious vote on someone only to put a "serious" vote on a player later. It makes no sense from a town perspective.

[Nero Cain]

Ok....Why did you put a joke/non serious vote on cyber only to vot Mel when it was clear he was getting lynched?

lol....you just called your vote on cyber non serious but now you "I knew I wanted to vote Cyber or Melmond"

Just die.

[Nero Cain]

Its funny you accuse Mastin of ignoring RC (even he's pointd out that he found RC scummy and thought he and snifit were scum) while you are ignoring snifit...

[Nero Cain]

All I've seen from you is "Townies sometimes lie" wich is just a light defense of snifit. What is your actual read?

[Nero Cain]

IDK, when I first joined this site I wasn't all that good (and I still don't think I'm

that

good) but still better than alot of people. So scum would call me town all the time since they knew I was town. After returning from rumspringa, I've been getting more and more town calling me town...though I'm still incredibly cautious/parinoid. Mastin has said before he though I was a good player so maybe he's being truthful...maybe not...idk.

[Nero Cain]

Just to know and because i think it helps, can someone tell me if there has been any sort of claims before i read?

I claim sexy mofo.

Don't think of Snifit as

lying

thing of him as

backtracking

.

The way it seemed in my head was

ZOMG YOU GUYS ARE LAZY TO CALL ME OUT ON MY VOTE WICH WASN'T SERIOUS BTW.

Which brings up the question why are we "lazy" as opposed to "scummy" Sounds like he knows we aren't scum.

Well the vote was serious but the reason I gave was a joke…

Which brings up the question why did he give a joke reason instead of trying to et the town to lynch Cyber.

[Nero Cain]

Hey Pidgey, remember what we spoke about.

[Nero Cain]

Mykonian, what is your read on snifit?

[Nero Cain]

So...a player from 2008 has no read...are you scum?

[Nero Cain]

AP and Mykonian are defending Snifit really hard....

[Nero Cain]

bbl

[Nero Cain]

If Snifit flips town (mystically by some form of voodoo magic) what would your reads on Mastin, me and RC be?

Why are assuming that Snifit won’t flip scum? My reads would still be the same and I don't see any reason why they would o rshould change. Now if Snifit flips scum then RC would be a town read.

No. I'm just someone who has learned not to shout reads when you don't have them. And snifit falls in the category of players I've been wrong about more then I've been right.

Well get one. I mean I’m terrible at reading noobs but atleast I’m taking a stance. And if I’m wrong then I’m wrong. Avoiding taking a stance is terrible.

I care that you are linking me with Snifit

Why are you so afraid to be linked with him?

@Snifit. Meh... more odd that he thinks Nero is a good scumhunter.

Well if cared more about thegamethenyour own egoyou'dseewhathesee's.

[Nero Cain]

This whole "lets out the messanger for the sake outting the messanger" just seems like fishing.

Tell me how this would help in scumhunting, Ben?

[Nero Cain]

Tammy, stop deflecting and tell Mage why you suspected BC.

[Nero Cain]

If we think it's scum, tammy should claim this.

lol @ fencesitting on a fishing pole.

I NEED SOLID SOFTCLAIMS ABOUT YOUR KILLS

I give you 2 mins

bolded is lame as shit.

[Nero Cain]

If Tammy flips town dayvig then Ben is probably a mafia rolecop.

I never breadcrumb. I think they are dumb. Please kill someone today Tammy. (not Ben)

[Nero Cain]

TAMMY SHOOTING BC DOESNT NEGATE THAT I HAVE A GUILTY ON HER.

That would mean she's an sk...day sk. Or you are lying...

[Nero Cain]

If Tammy has more shots she is not mafia.

Do not lynch until she has shot today and/or everyone has checked in.

If she flips wn dayvig lynch Ben and anyone that CC's her.

[Nero Cain]

Ben is right, Tammy should shoot. Though I'd like dead Snifnit.

[Nero Cain]

I did neighborize Tammy. I'll read up on the res of the thread later.

[Nero Cain]

STOP POSTING SO I CAN CATCHUP!!!

[Nero Cain]

can we please lynch scum instead of randomly wagoning a townie

So you know that Snifit is town?

With that said, I got a town vibe from all his personal attacks on poor old Amrun/me.

Did someone spike your birdseed?

Non-rhetorical question: Why is it bad to out the messenger?

If you out the messenger you out Town? Am I missing something here?

Explain why it's bad to out town.

it gives the scum extra info.

AS IF THAT WASN'T ENOUGH, a Tammy wagon SCREAMS of being scumdriven, because of the above--the scum want her out of the game.

I agree, but what’s your read on Mage?

Ben is just really bothering/annoying me this game. He waits till LONG after the reset to vote Tammy. Lolololol

Hate to burst your bubble for thinking I'm town (again ),

What game did you claim mafia in?

I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe we have an SK that received a message, got neighborized, AND killed scum

how is that impossible?

He had plenty of time the other night to say "oh crap, Tammy is scum." Instead, he ALSO challenged Ben's result.

You should read my posts. I did both. Tammy does look extrmely scummy now but Ben could be fakeclaiming. Still trying to make it look like I'm stalling is terrible and scummy.

but really didn't share anything in the neighborhood.

Bullsnork!!! I shared just as much as you did.

True Nero? Say IT TO MY FACE THEN BRUH

OH ITS ON ASIAN BOI!!!!

I THINK JASON IS ONTO KISE!!!!

Nero Cain: How can someone be so abrasive? I considered replacing out on reading some posts.

lol. You funny.

And I strongly doubt scum-Ben has an investigative role if there aren't two teams. So ya.

................................

This makes no sense whatsoever unless you know there's not a scum investigation role.

Both Mykon and Yates have some incredibly derpy posts but town can be derpy as well. So I’m a bit null.

Mastin’s calling me a good scumhunter and that I’m town is just a lil’ thick. I guess that AV could have told his buddy cyber to sheep him. Still was a dead Snifit and Zoro.

[Nero Cain]

now I'm derpy.

I wonder if it has anything to do with suspecting you.

nope. I think it has to do with your alignment.

[Nero Cain]

scum is an umbrella term and I said she's playing like scum now. And I said as much earlier how you missed that is beyond me.

Weather she's mafia or sk doesn't particulary matter to me. If she flips mafia then MYKO is probs her buddy.

[Nero Cain]

I dunno. I can see it from both sides. I think the extra kill would be helpful but I know that she could not help. If you guys lynch her fine, if you guys keep her alive that great. I would

LOVE

to have kills on Zoro and Snifit.

[Nero Cain]

MOI replaces a scum slot?!?

[Nero Cain]

@mod please stop prodding me. I'm still v/la and will be for a while since I have no home computer. Now if you don't think my activity is up t par you can feel free to replace me but I'm not a flaker.

[Nero Cain]

Not Snifit?!?

[Nero Cain]

Thank you mafia for shooting derpy ass Ben!!!!

From Nero and myk I could understand the “Lulz, I’ll just call MoI scum for reaction tests” posts. You I expect better of. Stop being bad.

There was no reaction test, I actually found Zora pretty scummy.

The fact that everyone is forgetting here is that this can confirm our cop.

No. I mean he’s a flipped cop now but I think he easily could have been a mafia rolecop.

Nero if you're around, can you confirm that your action is instant and therefore not blockable?

its instant.

Fffffffffffff bengame died.

Oh look. A "well that sucks" post.

@Nero – since you neighborized the Serial Killer N1 is it fair to say her QT contributions made you think she was Town since you weren’t voting for her despite the Guilty from Ben?

No they didn't but thats not why I wasn't voting and I said as much. I'm simply didn't care. Tammy had to go eventully but I would have liked to see some scummy lurkers dead via bomb.

Nero: Needs to play. V/La and all but i kinda have him as town so yeah.

then buy me a new computer.

[Nero Cain]

@ACO-What is your kill flavor?

Can we PLEASE agree on a good scum wagon? Zabriel? Elscouta?

so MYK isn't scum?

mykonian - 3 (Kise, MagnaofIllusion,

AngryPidgeon

)

So why are you on this wagon AP?

[Nero Cain]

Also, Am I the only one that thinks Luna Lovegood sounds like a pornstars name?

[Nero Cain]

Obviously Mykonian is a good vote. I've been pushing that wagon all Day and no one was biting. Im trying to get Acosmist/Yates/Mastin to stop being dumb (or in Mastin's case possibly scum) and agree on a good lynch. Mykonian SHOULD happen, but I don't think it has enough support. Ask me how my Elscouta compromise wagon is going.

What are your top 3 picks for scum?

I agree that MYKON is a good wagon and apparently I did not ask the right question so let me try again.

In 2508 you said “Can we PLEASE agree on a good scum wagon? Zabriel? Elscouta?” But you are voting for Myk in the latest vote count so why was his name left out of 2508? And gimmie a bullet on why you think myk is scum.

My top 3 scum reads are you, Myk, and zab but with you voting Myk it looks like I’m wrong about one of you.

@ACO

-So when someone targets you it will say “player X has been killed by FOXDIE” or something to that extent, yes?

So you are a Town Neighborizor who can’t ever be blocked?

You do know that the scum blocker is dead and there's not a guarantee of a town one right? But you are also experienced enough to know that outguessing the mod is stupid. So why are you doing it? All I know is that I sent in he action and the mod made us a qt within the next 20 mins.

its instant.

So you are a Town Neighborizor who can’t ever be blocked?

You must be connecting the dots like me.

I want Nero to confirm more town before I call for his head though.

So why did it take MOI before you said anything?

its instant.

So you are a Town Neighborizor who can’t ever be blocked?

You must be connecting the dots like me.

I want Nero to confirm more town before I call for his head though.

What am I missing here?

That one of Kise or MOI is scum. They are both way to experienced to be using out guess the mod.

@Nero

- how many people have you recruited to your QT?

Uno

It contained one partner (ooba) who Nero put in his lynch list, distanced from (calling him scum), but never actually pushed or voted.

ONLY…

Scum A:
Kise
NeroCain
Shadow Dancer

LYNCH ALL LIARS!!!

So you think if thought being a Town Dayvig meant Benmage was scum. Yet you were telling Tammy not to shoot Benmage. Why? Did you not think she was Town?

You should read better as this has already been addressed. I was willing to buy Ben's guilty on Tammy. He was either a cop or a mafia rolecop. Its pretty simple logic.

[Nero Cain]

vote:MOI

[Nero Cain]

My top 3 scum reads are you, Myk, and zab but with you voting Myk it looks like I’m wrong about one of you.

This is a BS reason to clear someone. (But I am town, and Myk isnt)

Did you not use your role last night? Is it X-shot?

@Nero: What changed your mind about Kise? Also Cheery/Snifit?

I haven’t

cleared

anyone. In my experience scum are less likely to vote their buddies, that’s not to say that it doesn’t happen but once one flips scum the other gets some town points.

Didn’t use it last night. Yes it’s x-hot.

Here’s the thing. MOI is being stupid. I talked to Tammy last night and she confirmed as such. What MOI is accusing me of is that I’m lying about it being “instant” and therefore I did not talk to Tammy last night. Even if MOI isn’t scum and just having a newbie moment, his “case” is still bullsnork and Kise cheerleading an obvious bullsnork case doesn’t give me good vibrations. And scum often “shadow” so they can be all like “I’m not scummy for following,

HE’S

scummy for leading!”

Haven’t really changed my mind on the snifit/cherry slot. Snifit was awful but it’s not like only scum can be awful so I wanted to give Cherry a chance but he’s done squat all.

its instant.

So you are a Town Neighborizor who can’t ever be blocked?

You must be connecting the dots like me.

I want Nero to confirm more town before I call for his head though.

What am I missing here?

What good is a mafia roleblocker if he can't block threats to his group? Can't block the neighborizer? Can't block the PGO? Can't block the daykiller? Lions tigers bears OH MY!

Ok. This is serious!!! Someone is replacing experienced players minds with that of a newbie.

First of all. The mafia roleblocker was dead before I sent in my action therefore he couldn’t have blocked me. He couldn’t block the daykiller since his action was likely to be night only. He couldn’t block the PGO since it’s a

PASSIVE

action.

My role doesn’t say anything about being unblockable but with the roleblocker dead and me receiving a qt within an hour then that means I now have an unblockable power.

@EVERYONE-THOUGHTS ON MOI AND KISE DERPING IT UP?

[Nero Cain]

me

[Nero Cain]

I don't believe MoI has derped up in that post you quoted, I wouldn't have thought your actions would go through during the night either.

So you think that Tammy and I are running some "lolz gambit"?

Kise is 100% town.

how so?

Nero LOL yeah because its a scum claim to say "Oh no the cop died" shut the hell up.

yea it is.

I do know that fact. Do you know that regardless of that the Mod not waiting til the end of the Night to establish the QT communicates to you and the person you Neighborize that there are NO remaining blocking roles? Do you understand that this makes me suspect that your answer?

This doesn’t even make sense.

TAMMY CONFIRMED THAT I SPOKE WITH HER LAST NIGHT.

So this whole “Nero getting a last night is fishy but I’m just gonna pretend that Tammy didn’t confirm” looks like scum trying to discredit my

CONFIRMED

role.

Here’s my question to clarify – does your Role PM specify your action is “instant”?

No

Why didn’t you recruit last Night then?

Didn't want to.

No, it isn’t “just simple logic”. You strongly felt Benmage could be a Mafia Rolecop but didn’t push Tammy to shoot him? Because Serial Killer Tammy shooting Scum Benmage would have been a Win Win for Town had your ‘suspicions’ been right and you were Town. If you answer was "I wasn't sure" ... whelp ...

So I shouldn't have given Ben the benefit of the doubt that he was town? Lol

@Nero – What alignment do you think the Messenger is?

Depends on who claims it.

"dipping my feet to taste the water",

You can use your feet to taste?!?

Filter out my Town reads of

Angry

and

Cheery

Mind=blown

[Nero Cain]

Okay, why is he scum?

he's discrediting like a mofo. I'm a confirmed Nieghborizer and he's trying to throw water on it. He also came in the game and tried to discredit the cop.

me

Hey look Nero has no time due to technical issues to makes posts yet is Johnny on the spot quick responding to Thor's "Who should I sheep" comment as if he's active lurking scum.

This is

so

cute.

If your role doesn't say anything about it, it's extra fishy that you get shit instantly. I don't think Ben would have got his result as soon as your powers kick in, and in fact I think Tammy said the secret messenger was sent to her at the END of night phase.

So your theory is that Nero scum nieghborized SK Tammy, convinced Tammy that we spoke last night but really didn’t? lol

I guarantee there’s scum in Kise, MOI, Cherry. This is the biggest derp I’ve ever seen on this site. All three are claiming that I really didn’t talk to Tammy last night.

[Nero Cain]

Nero should name claim.

Why?

[Nero Cain]

@Nero: It took Tammy ages to name claim. Does your fakeclaim not match your role?

Thats it. *glares* I didn't want to claim since scum may not have been given safe claims but they prob were so...

Hal Emmerich

MoI/Kise aren't arguing that you arent a neighborizer. I think they are arguing that you are a scum neighborizer due to setup spec. I dont necessarily buy that as I think that would involve sloppy modding.

I'll admit, its hard to understand thier points. But this is what it looked like to me

MOI: Nero is scummy 'cause his action isn't instant.

Kise: Yea me too

NC: But I spoke to Tammy last night...

Why shouldn't the mafia's roleblocker have been able to block you?

'cause the mafia roleblocker was dead you tool.

[Nero Cain]

And I still think neighborizer and messenger are redundant 'powers' to both be of use to town, though fun

oh so the messenger is scum and you and MOI want to throw doubt on my confirmed role so the messenger can squeak by.

[Nero Cain]

Once I flip town the messenger likely won't claim. But the only way I'll die is if I get shot (since it should be fairly obvious that I'm town) and you likely won't kill me Kise.

Should the messenger claim today?

[Nero Cain]

What's so awesome about your Neighborizer claim? Seems like there's some confusion about when your power triggers.
Wanna clear that up for me?

There's nothing "awesome" about me role. Its just that it was confirmed that I spoke with Tammy

LAST NIGHT

and all of Cherry, Kise, MOI are all like "you lie. You're lying getting it last night." Now Kise is slightly backtracking and saying that "oh you did speak with Tammy last night but now I think you're scum 'cause a messenger/nieghborier don't mix"

[Nero Cain]

Also that I'm not sure of why it would be instant - let me remind you I haven't read the game from before I replaced in. though how were you talking to Dead person last night? And how did she confirm that

So why haven't you read the game?

Tammy was still alive when I talked to her and she said as much in the thread. Last night is night 1 but I can see how that might be confusing.

[Nero Cain]

@Nero what is your flavor?

I have X codecs to give away.

its instant.

So you are a Town Neighborizor who can’t ever be blocked?

You must be connecting the dots like me.

I want Nero to confirm more town before I call for his head though.

This post looks like, to me anyways, MOI and Kise trying to claim that I was lying and that my role wasn’t instant/I did not receive a qt instantly and therefore I could not have talked to Tammy last night as we claimed.

Hey look Nero has no time due to technical issues to makes posts yet is Johnny on the spot quick responding to Thor's "Who should I sheep" comment as if he's active lurking scum.

I also think these quick jabs like this come more often from scum then town.

his flip flop on the Messenger

Lol no. Kise was already suspect for active lurking but his cheerleading an obvious bullshit case is derpy/scummy as fuck. Now he’s chain lynching or trying to buy the messenger some town cred by accusing me of being scum so it looks like he’s trying to buy some limited cred for his buddy.

[Nero Cain]

vote:acomist

WHAT IS YOUR KILL FLAVOR?

[Nero Cain]

nien.

He's claimed he has Foxdie, I just want to know

EXACTLY

what his kill flavor will say and I'm getting tired of asking.

[Nero Cain]

but you haven't.

[Nero Cain]

show me where you have.

[Nero Cain]

No, I asked and you said you hd Foxdie then I asked you to clarify what a death from your slot would actully say and you haven't done that.

[Nero Cain]

Now Nero has already stated that he was ambivalent to Benmage’s claim. He believed Benmage was either a Town Cop or a Mafia Rolecop.

Now that I’ve laid out the stage what should Town Nero interested in furthering his Wincondition done?

The correct answer is – Neighborize Benmage.

oh look, a "Nero didn't do what I would have done therefore he's scum"

Get your head out of your arse.

He’s scum so he’s just being obtuse.

Now after the fact he’s now claiming it is a limited use ability (X-shot) as retroactive justification.

Lol no. I never said anything like “I didn’t target last night ‘cause I want to save my shots” Keep putting words into my mouth, I’m sure you’ll fool someone.

You get bonus scum points for continuing to float the concept that confirmed Role means confimed alignment when your claimed Role doesn’t in any way track as such.

So you do this all the time and its ok but when I do it its scummy? Way to slip.

Just a reminder for those not paying attention ....

The deadline for Day 3 is 9 PM EST on November 30, 2012.[/b][/color]

Deadline is in approximately 60 hours. Unless you want to be scrambling right at deadline it's probably best to consolidate wagons now.

I'm on Els but would support wagons on Mykonian, Zab or Nero also.

Time is running out. Please help my scumteam secure a mislynch.

FIFY!!!

[Nero Cain]

Well part of me really wants to vote MKY ‘cause that ELS wagon was defiantly a counter wagon.

I’m also really sick of Aco ignoring a bunch of things.

I really really really dislike MOI. He’s too experienced to be playing outguess the mod. Ditto for Kise. That said Kise leap frogs over MOI for shadowing.

Nero, opinion on the Thor kill?

I'm sad.

So yeah. I still think MoI is likely Town for my own reasons [mostly meta].

and these other reasons are?

5. Zab is also scummy as hell. Read my old case on him. Zab is probably not town and this point is a self-fulfilling prophecy because MoI already expressed interest there.

So for no reason whatsoever you hop off a viable scum lynch to chainsaw MOI?

Please explain why you didn’t Insta-Neighborize Benmage Night 2. “I didn’t want to” isn’t an explanation that supports your play from a Town perspective. Especially given you per mastin can do more than 1 person a Night.

I don't like Ben. This is interesting. Thor's slot was a town doc yet he didn't protect Ben since that's the town thing to do right? So I guess the mod screwed up and Thor is really scum ‘cause he didn’t do “what a townie is supposed to do” I really feel like this “Nero didn’t do what a “townie” should have done” is more likely to come from scum.

So you do this all the time and its ok but when I do it its scummy? Way to slip.

Hey, look – more mud-slinging.

Link to support this statement or admit you are fabricating

In out last game, (the revolution one) you were a claimed friendly neighbor. I questioned your claim, you therefore thought I was stupid for it since you were "confirmed". Of course you

were

confirmed to one player but still you

WERE NOT

confirmed to me and the rest of the players.

But I never once said anything about me being "confirmed town" 'cause I have a

CONFIRMED

role. Take your lies and get off my case.

Why not have Nero do it?

Why not have the messenger do it or another role?

And I'd rather keep the messenger private for now
Nero is known and if he DOES flip scum then messenger is prob-town for the claim alone and can claim that when need be. Contrarily, if the messenger flips scum then Nero is prob-town for the claim and can just be NK'd immediately.

This post is all sorts of terrible. As soon as I flip town the messenger is gonna shut up. If your gonna speculate that me and the messenger have different alignments then for this to work you’d need the messenger to claim. But you don’t want it to claim. Stance makes no sense. Also whts this junk about “and can just be NK'd immediately”?

Bonus:Why should I target AC INSTEAD OF THE MESSANGER?

@Jason: What? In the context of D2, Acosmist's post makes perfect sense especially considering what mastin had been saying around then.

Is this a reply to 3006? If so this makes no sense at all.

I have scum reads on all of MOI, AP and Cherry. It’s very interesting that they are all bunched up together. I did not like Snifit and Cherry hasn’t done anything since joining this game. Note also how Kise spent the early game calling Snifit scum but we haven’t heard a anything from him lately.

I think its time we get rid of Cherry.

Vote:Cherry

[Nero Cain]

Is AP normally this dense or is it a scum pm?

Im only operating under the assumption that you/MEssenger

aren't scum/scum

.

Lets just say that your right, that the messenger is scum. As soon as I flip town the messenger

ISN’T

going to claim. If you think that a scum messenger would claim after the town neighborizer flips then you are either scum or just plain dumb. Your stance makes

NO

cents. If you think we’re different alignments then you’d

WANT

the messenger to claim so that way when I flip town you can lynch the messenger.

Friendly Neighbor and Neighborizer are not the same role at all.

Never said they were.

My 3007 makes plenty of sense. IIRC Mastin was talking about VOTING HIMSELF if it meant not lynching Tammy. He definitely flat-out admitted to voting people he thought were town just because they were better lynches than Tammy (his opinion). And Jason just went back in time and fishes up this bullshit of yours and posts it out of context? I need to go back and read like 3 pages if I want to see the whole story about why acosmist said that, but I don't care to because the semantics case you/Jason are making of it is terrible anyways.

…………………………………

Are you sane? Mastin and Tammy have nothing to do with that post. Snifit was being wagoned. Aco comes in and is all “can we please lynch scum instead of randomly wagoning a townie” so I asked him is snifit town. How you think that’s out of context, idk. Nor do I get this “the semantics case you/Jason are making of it is terrible” What semantics case?

Is he scummy or not?

oh deffiantly. Does he actully have a scum pm? Maybe. These days mafia is more or less just a guessing game. Most town play derpy as hell these days for lulz/improve scum meta. I'd lynch other players over him though.

@Aco Why have you not claimed your kill flavor? What is it? What is your read on Cherry?

[Nero Cain]

No, I think its possible you are both town or town/scum. I just don't think its likely at all that you are both scum. I thought I was clear about that?

ok.

So I flip town. What do you do next in regards to the messenger? I guess nothing sense you've already said he could be town or he could be scum. Well if he's scum he's not going to claim. This looks like a ball of fence sitting.

That post is not a slip.

‘Cause he isn’t on your team? With what authority can you make that claim? I mean if you have the

OPINION

that Aco scum wouldn’t say that then fine (and yes scum do claim townies are town all the time) but you cannot say, as an uninformed majority, that he’s town.

[Nero Cain]

What am I sitting on the fence about? I proposed a plan and laid out the pros/cons of it and pushing for it.

So your plan is: have Nero target Aco. If Nero dies and flips town then???

Your plan seems incomplete.

Im saying THAT POST doesn't mean anything. Its null. And calling it a slip is bullshit.

So your telling me that even if Aco is scum he wouldn't have slipped? lol That's pretty dumb. IF he's scum that post is more than likely a slip unless he's buddies with snifit. So it sounds to me like you pretty much believe that he's a town parinoid posion owner. Wich brings up an interesting question. Why would you as town want to sacrifce another town player to the PGO?

[Nero Cain]

@Aco Why have you not claimed your kill flavor? What is it? What is your read on Cherry?

[Nero Cain]

So your plan is: have Nero target Aco. If Nero dies and flips town then???

Then acosmist is confirmed town and unable to be NK'd. That was kind of the point.

So what does this tell you about the messangers alignment?

don't have a clue about cherry

then help me lynch him.

[Nero Cain]

Nero knows I am scum, so he is going to target me. Right Nero?

No. I'm out of shots. MOI

knew

I was out of shots so that’s why he said this

inb4 Nero claims to be out of uses / refuses to do so.

He was setting me up.

Scum are most likely in Moi, AP, Cherry, Kise.

@Mastin you said you knew who the messenger was? Why are you waiting to tell me tonight instead of just announcing it ITT?

[Nero Cain]

I agree

[Nero Cain]

but at the same time if the messanger is scum he's just gonna lie about targeting Aco. If AP has a PR we can send him!!!

[Nero Cain]

How could MoI know you were out of shots.

I claimed to have 3. Tammy is 1. Mastin is 2 and Thor is 3. Anyone with basic counting and reading skills should have known I was out wich turns out to be MOI and only Moi.

Fine, have the messenger do it. But Nero needs so much death if messenger flips town.

Funny how before you learned I was out of shots that you did not want the death of the messanger when I flipped town. Also note his belief that we could be a town/town paring and now thats "impossible"

[Nero Cain]

but at the same time if the messanger is scum he's just gonna lie about targeting Aco.

Lol? Why are you backpedaling away from your counter-plan?

ok, put yourself in scums shoe's (if they aren't already) The general idea is that if Aco is targeted and the attacker doesn't die then he's scum. So if a scum player were choosen do you think he'd actully target the PGO? NO!!! He'd lie about it and get an Aco lynch the next day. Simple logic.

Though Aco needs to claim his kill flavor ASAP.

[Nero Cain]

If Aco isn't lying about his role then a player will die the next night or atleast that's how posioners works.

[Nero Cain]

PeregrineV - 4 (Cheery Dog, AngryPidgeon, zabriel, Kise)

HOLY CRAP!!!!

That PV wagon is so horribly scummy. Unless there's a bunch of CHERRY HATE IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS i'LL BE JOINING THE ap WAGON.

[Nero Cain]

But could you see the Mod posting

Some player, Role and Alignment, killed by FOXDIE Night X?

If so shut the hell up about it. If not let’s discuss exactly why you don’t think that’s viable.

Deff. Which is why I keep asking him to confirm what his flavor is. Wait a second....didn't you accuse me earlier of not asking the mod to clarify things is a scum tell? But when ACO doesn't clarify with the mod its not a scum tell? Hello selective scumhunting.

Read Post 3012 in full and then look at the excerpt above. Note that in 3012 (or frankly in any of his recent posts) Nero does not address Kise directly at all. No quoting him or anything. In fact 3012 ostensibly is listing even more play from me Nero is trying to pass off as scummy. So Nero is saying “Well, Kise is more scummy than MoI” yet he’s not actually posting anything about Kise and is posting lots of things about me. This is scum wanting to disengage from their read since they are losing the battle badly on their play.

lol. This is lots of words but not saying anything. I commented on Kise. Stop being dumb. Are you upset that you had to share a line with him?

They are not and either you are Town and now permanently wear the VI tag (like predecssors Furculow, Drmyshottyissik, and other terrible, terrible players) or are scum.

I'm so hurt MOI. I'm constantly fucking right (though not all the time) as where you powerlynch town like crazy. But then again you’re scum and just trying to ruffle my feathers so meh.

Well this is quite hilarious. You are a Confirmed Neighborizor. Congrats. I never suggested you weren't a Neighborizor. I suggested you were a Scum Neighborizor. Regardless, your role says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about your alignment which is the only thing that is important to the game. So why were you yelling so much about being confirmed when you can EASILY BE A SCUM ROLE? Hmmm? You were trying to say that you being a Neighborizor meant your play couldn’t be suspected which is clearly incorrect.

no. Your first post was clearly stating that you thought I was lying. How was I supposed to know that were claiming that I was lying about my alignment when I looked like you were accusing me of lying about being a nieghborizer altogether? Did you suspect my play? No. You suspected my role. You know what this looks like? Scum backtracking to put a case on me after you found out I was confirmed. You know that I’m not that hard to mislynch but I’m experienced enough to not be “low hanging fruit” I have no chance of getting you lynched unless we 1 vs. 1 (which I’m sure you’ll back out of.) So let me congratulate you, AP and Kise on winning.

1. Not Neighbozing the Cop (addressed, again, above)
2. Repeatedly flip-flopping on his stance on the Messenger (first he is only scummy if a scummy player claims the role, then he became confirmed Scum to Nero here. Now he’s going back and forth between saying the Messenger should target Acosmist and saying if he’s scum he’d just lie about it. He's like a fish out of water on the floor ... hopping from position to position desperately trying to get a breath of relief yet still suffocating under his own scummy play.
3. When I brought up Nero’s play in Star Wars Mafia he attacked me for Lying about his partner. When I corrected who his partner on the list was and demonstrated how his behavior to that partner was just as I had claimed he’s never addressed that.
4. The last is a bit of relational information that isn’t scummy directly since none of them have flipped but here’s a bit that I’d like to remind everyone about –

lol
1. And? That doesn't mean I'm scum and if you are town and think that's some sort of tell then you are fucked up. But since I think you're somewhat intelligent, you probably have a scum role.
2. There's not any reason to suspect the messenger since I don't know who it is but its incredibly odd that you, Kise and AP seem to be trying to protect the messenger.
3. Ok. So why write Obba?

Note that despite requests neither Nero or Mastin have shared the posts Thor made in the QT.

Only that Mastin did. Hi liar scum.

And I'm saying that is meaningless. You aren't willing to test a hypoTown role that is weak (Neighborizor) on a hypoTown role that is deadly to scum if confirmed (PGO).

And how is my role any weaker than a messenger? Its not.
.

He sheeps Nero (who, as we recall,

stopped avoiding the thread convienently within minutes

of Thor asking who to vote) and then askes Nero why I am scum. Not a push at all.

Keep the pot shots coming. You know I'm on v/la. Hell you've said that you'll be waiting awhile for my responses to your bullsnork. But its sooooooo scummy that I happened to be on the day that Thor replaced in.

You'd almost think scum would want free kills.

They do. Hence why they want to "test" his claim.

(since Im posting less lists than usual)

Why are you posting less lists than usual?

Your reads--similar to AP--seem rather focused, on specific players. Why is that?

Linking me with pidgey. Doesn't matter what pidgey's alignment is why the hell are you trying to connect us out of nowhere?

And that question is pointed as hell.

Tunnel vision is not a scumtell.[/

quote]
It can be, yes.

Did Nero straight-up lie?

no. MOI's correct that I only claimed X-shot. Did I "lie" on purpose? no.

+

I find it funny that he finds this scummy but he's allowed to fill my mouth with things I never said.

The reason I think he's a mafia neighborizer is due to apparently being unblockable.

He’s dead. He’s dead. The mafia roleblocker was dead. Therefore he couldn’t have blocked me even if he wanted to. Stop pretending like he could have.

Oh look, Cherry doesn’t have any scumreads….

Why didn't you come up with a plan to target Acosmist/someone else on Night 1? Surely you recognize that your ability is basically useless unless you can use it to confirm someone nigh-unnightkillable with your death, right? Why waste it on random people? Why use up two last night?

I targeted Tammy night 1....

I'm town. I know it, the mod knows it and

3 of MOI, Cherry, AP, Kise

scum knows it. This whole "well if they were town they'd suicide themselves" is pretty stupid logic.

[Nero Cain]

...??? I suggested the messenger target Acosmist immediately after you claimed no more shots. And then you retorted back with "Oh well testing Acosmist isnt really worth it anyways"

Well

that

certainly absolves you of any and all suspicion.

Your dance is funny. You think ACO is likely town meaning you believe his claim but you want to go ahead and “test” a claim you already believe. Lol

I’m to dull to catch crumbs (Why are you looking for crumbs?) but if mky is the messenger and Matsin doesn’t mind sending a town read to his (potential) death then that seems kinda scummy.

Cheery wagon? Cheery wagon!

Would it trouble you (or even Nero for that matter since he started it) to give an explanation for why?

snifit + you having no reads

What was the logic behind your play strategy?

Don't really have any though I did want to target town and create a psedo-masonship.

+This looks a lot like the crap coming from MOI.

Why did you decide today that Acosmist's kill flavor needed to be known and tested?

I didn't. I'm not sure who brought up the "lets test ACO's claim!!!" but I think if so many players are onboard with this plan then Aco should out his kill flavor that way if he

IS

targeted and his claimed kill flavor doesn't show up then he's lying.

This was a poor answer. Let's say that the Mafia Roleblocker did not die on Day 1. Why would town have an ability to neighborize that is instantaneous and therefore Mafia cannot block it?

Are you scum? This is the dumbest question

EVER

!!!! If the roleblocker was still alive would my role still be instant? I don't know, don't care. These what if questions are downright stupid.

The way Nero is accusing me of defending the messenger when I absolutely never did other than to say that setup spec makes me think messenger/Nero aren't a team is lol (if Nero is town then why does he care?). And he falsely said that I backed my plan down about targeting Acosmist when he said he was out of shots. I never did, I recommended the messenger do it. Nero did call the plan useless at that point though.

As I mentioned above: this dance is funky.

AP: I doubt that Nero/messenger is a scum/scum grouping but it could be scum/town or it could be town/town. Look at me fence sit!!!

AP: I think ACO is town but I have no issue with sending someone to their death!!!

AP: If the messenger flips town we should lynch Nero.

Note: But didn't want then messenger lynched when I flipped town. Also didn't explain why the messenger shouldn't have been sent (but that was before he learned I was out of shots)

There are two entities. Both benefit from having Tammy gone, but each loses something by making the kill. Would scum have killed her? Probably not.

I disagree. Scum fear death. Scum couldn't have blocked her and she repersents a second lynch durring the day. Scum beneifitted more by lynching Tammy then town did. Scum

NEEDED

her gone. I wouldn't be to terribly supprised to find 2 or even 3 scum on her wagon.

And if Nero is somewhat likely to get lynched down the line anyways, so if he is town it prevents that as well. And if nero or Acosmist is scum, then doing this makes even more sense.

.....................

my death still lessens the number of town so yes....its basicly scum getting an extra kill. But I've never understood

WHY

its important to send me as opposed to other PR's which might get lynched.

Nero Cain's role claim means his play makes no sense

no. stop shadowing MOI.

[Nero Cain]

vote:AP

[Nero Cain]

And of course no one is on when I am.....(well scum AP is)

I don't really think that the messenger should target ACO unless he claim's his kill flavor. And even if he does? Meh. I’m not the biggest fan of this plan though I do get why folks like it. I’ll leave it up to the messenger’s discretion.

Tammy - 10 (Cherry, Kise,

Benmage

, pidgey,

WrathChild

, MagnaofIllusion, Acosmist, AngryPidgeon, mykonian,

Elscouta

)

^^^^^^
Those are some very very very good scum suspects.

[Nero Cain]

Are you scum?

Lol, sheep Scum KKs case Nero. Jsut keep throwing more shit out there.

you do know I've been calling your slot scum since day 1 right? And you accuse me of sheeping. lol

Just shut up and die scum.

[Nero Cain]

LOL no. KK started this wagon on me and you are now participating and calling me scum. Its a preemptive way of going LOL KK is scum Tomorrow! His AP case sucked anyways, I was voting AP for my own reasons. But seriously KK is scum.

ummmm no. I have a null-town read on KK and lean town. I think his "what if" question towards me is boneheaded with a side of scummyness and in the back of my mind Kise may have been distancing from him but meh I think there are scummier slots. Likewise I’ve felt your slot was scum since IAI and your poor stances haven’t helped. Could you be just poor town and not scum? Sure. If a miracle happens and you flip town then its

NOT

going to instantly make me dissolve my town read on him as you seem to suggest.

+ There is no “are now” I’ve been calling you scum for a long long time so stop pretending like I haven’t.

Anyone still talking about us lynching the SK like it was bad needs to replace out, delete their account, take a sledgehammer to their computer, take off, and from orbit, nuke their house.

like you are a big pile of pro-town play. Mafia presents a bigger challenge then a lone known cereal killa'. As far as I know no one is calling it “bad” just that it it wasn’t the most pressing matter.

ACO why have you not claimed kill flavor yet?

[Nero Cain]

I have a null-town read on KK and lean

town

.

please die in pile of flames.

[Nero Cain]

not a read; a gut reaction. but nice try.

[Nero Cain]

'cause we are hanging your buddy AP.

[Nero Cain]

Well Nero is being obtuse and did invent a reason not to die to me, yeah? OK I could lynch him.

This whole "look Nero didn't want to target Aco and potentially die" is rubbish. I'm town, I believe I can help. Why would I want to kill myself when we could just lynch your derpy/scummy ass?

So you have to be scum to be this stupid. He said his kill flavor is death by Foxdie. Why should he keep answering your pointless questions?

So how do you know that the mod will say "playerX has died by Foxdie night X"? You don't. It’s pretty simple to answer this. Why won't he? Further more I don't like his "a player will die sometime during the game"

This is classic scum mud slinging and has the nice little bonus of attacking me personally (which you would be doing if you thought I was Town) and turning around and calling me scum (which would mean I’m not terrible but doing a great job if it were true).

Are you claiming that 'cause I'm "attacking you personally” that I secretly think you are town? lol How is that any different than you thinking that I'm a VI. Its not. Sounds alot like you can dish it but can't take it. I've also had a scum read on Zoro since day 1 and you've done nothing to help with that so I'm not "turning around" and doing anything. Just keep lying, scum.

no.

Your first post was clearly stating that you thought I was lying. How was I supposed to know that were claiming that I was lying about my alignment when I looked like you were accusing me of lying about being a nieghborizer altogether?

Did you suspect my play? No. You suspected my role. You know what this looks like? Scum backtracking to put a case on me after you found out I was confirmed. You know that I’m not that hard to mislynch but I’m experienced enough to not be “low hanging fruit” I have no chance of getting you lynched unless we 1 vs. 1 (which I’m sure you’ll back out of.) So let me congratulate you, AP and Kise on winning.

Nope.jpg. The bolded is clearly not true at all as evidenced by Kise picking up on exactly the same thing I did – that your claim made little sense as Town. I like that you try to shift (you didn’t suspect my play) when I’ve piled up a mound of “This play from Nero isn’t Town Motivated” evidence showing just that.

DAT SCUM CLAIM.

As town, MOI doesn’t know Kise’s alignment and therefore wouldn’t know if he’s trustworthy or just scum shadowing MOI. But MOI is willing to trust Kise? That’s not town in the least. And you didn’t. You suspected my role and then went back and “suspected” my play.

Link to where Mastin did a run-down of what Thor wrote in QT that occurred before Post 3063. I’ll be waiting.

And, yes, Thor has a post in there, asking why he was neighborized,

but neither I (was away over the weekened) nor Nero had the time to respond to it by the time day had started. So, he's more town than the messenger is.

DIE LIAR SCUM DIE!!!

[Nero Cain]

Re Nero: Did he ever explain why he said MoI knew he was out of shots and was setting him up? And ya, his opinions on testing Acosmist/messengerTestingAcosmist are scummy as hell.

Yes I did. I admitted MOI was right.

No they aren't. I rather lynch him or leave him alone than "test" him. If anyone's opinion is scummy its yours. You think Aco is town but you want to "test" a claim you already believe.


On page 133. There is scum in the players that are using outguess the mod.

[Nero Cain]

So the messanger decided to AP. HRRRRMMMM. MOI is still scum though, dunno if he's bussin' Zab or not.

[Nero Cain]

Infact

vote: MOI

I'll explain better next time I'm at the library. I could also accept a Kise, KK, AP lynch.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, thoughts on the Zab wagon not going through?

MOI never ever ever agrees with me so its prob a town slot that scum MOI is pushing. Or he could be bussing his buddy wich is something I brought up in the qt last night.

@ACO

Why are you not voting MOI?

Why is Nero Cain a townread? How does his claim make sense?

If you are town then you are terrible. Something I was going to bring up later is that my role was already outted as "instant" when Tammy said she talked to me durring n1. How could I have talked to her if it wasn't? Why did neither you or Kise call bullshit on my role then? Why did it take MOI to call my roll into question before you two did? I already asked Kise but he's scum so that’s why he ignored me.

Town instantaneous neighborizer in a game with a Mafia Roleblocker DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

HE'S DEAD YOU SCUM TOOL!!!

Do you still think the messenger is town? VERY important question, considering I explicitly told the messenger to target Aco and that there'd be no excuses for them having not done so

IDK. He could be coasting off the “town Nero didn’t target Aco so I’m town too ‘cause I didn’t target aco.” Though he’s not the lynch for the day. And I HATE HATE HATE this chain lynch logic (from AP and Kise) that one of us must be scum.

Zab's getting lynched. Period, end of discussion.

?????????

Imma have to disagree. Certianly he's better than a no lynch but there are some lynches I'd perfer over him.

[Nero Cain]

dayvig/daysk, same purpose.

Why are you not voting MOI?

[Nero Cain]

Mastin/Nero- I think you both are town. Are you confident that you both are town? Seems mastin is, not sure about nero.

Meh. I’m always pretty paranoid. Mastin coming in the game and being all “Nero is a good scumhunter blah blah” is a bit thick. And I don’t like a few of his stances but I think I’m willing to let him ride the town wagon for now.

MoI, this ain't you

. I realize this game is pissing you off and you are really

obvtown

for that. But there are

persepctives in this game that aren't yours

.[/.

The hell is this crap? You don’t think MOI is playing like usual but his “anger” is obvtown? Maybe it’s just me but this looks a lot like fence sitting.

Nero, it's precisely BECAUSE OF the no-lynch that he has to be lynched. Town, scum, the no-lynch on him was very bad, and if he were to be town, we'd be coming back every single day until he was dead.

OH NOES WE LOST A DAY OF VCA!!!! It’s not the end of the world. I could see where it could be helpful. And yeah if he’s town then scum could just ride on Zab hate until he’s lynched.

SO WHY DID YOU TELL ME THAT YOU WANTED A kk lynch and voted KK TODAY but now have the stance that ZAB UST GO TODAY?

Nero, you insisted KK was townish yesterday. What changed?

Him continuing to be dumb but I'd still lynch like MOI, kISE, YOU BEFORE HIM.

[Nero Cain]

when I say 'this isn't him', I mean I wish he would put effort in Today.

ok. Thats what I didn't understand.

[Nero Cain]

WOW. Zab has only 69 posts while everyone else more than the mod.

[Nero Cain]

i cant make in my head a team that makes sense as scum.

You shouldn't be looking for a team at all. We should be looking for the scummiest person and then look for connections and jazz. Zab isn't a terrible lynch today but I think players like kISE, MOI, AP (maybe Mastin, i HAE SOME DOUTS ABOUT HIM DISTANCING FROM moi) NEED TO BE LOKED AT TOMORROW.

[Nero Cain]

i cant make in my head a team that makes sense as scum.

You shouldn't be looking for a team at all. We should be looking for the scummiest person and then look for connections and jazz.

This is still a terrible stance and I’m very disappointed that PIDGEY DIDN’T RESPOND TO IT. I vaguely remember Mastin using this same stance one game. I’ll have to look it up but if Mastin was scum then Pid might be to and it is a connection between Mastin/Pid.

And if Mykonian flips town, Nero Cain can go too.

????????

and yet I wasn't in your list of 4 scum and didn't you have the stance that one of us was scum but not both?

And nero is not confirmed 3 shot and never will be.

I'm a confirmed neighborizer and unless claim that I've nieghborized them wouldn't the logical conclusion be that I'm ou of shots?

Crazy idea but what are the odds of Mastin/Nero being scum and nero never been a neighborizer, they are just using the mafia QT?

So how does Tammy fit into this theory?

How the bloody hell could anyone think that at this point it would be a good idea to lynch Jason "to have him confirmed"?

So why are you voting Mastin over AP?

I’m for a KK, Yates, Pidgey claim.

[Nero Cain]

Does anyone have a list of all the claims?

[Nero Cain]

And of course no one is on while I am…..

And if Mykonian flips town, Nero Cain can go too.

????????

and yet I wasn't in your list of 4 scum and didn't you have the stance that one of us was scum but not both?
So why are you voting Mastin over AP?

my bad. I read this wrong the first time. Only dumb town and scum play outguess the mod like this.

Mykonian-I think its plenty possible that both of us could be town so I dislike this “outguess the mod” play I’m seeing from so many players. Pidgey, Yates, Kise and AP are doing this. His links with Mastin are concerning and I dislike how much heat that I was getting for not targeting Aco but he didn’t seem to get as much. Whichever players were giving me beef over not targeting Aco but didn’t give Myk any are very likely scum.

mastin2-Mastins stance repeatedly said he had a town read on Myko but wanted him lynched if he didn’t target I do not like that stance.

pidgey-his scumplaining? That he couldn’t find the scumteam is concerning.

Yates-His early gameplay was suspect and for a period of time I had even forgot he was in the game.

AngryPidgeon-His stance that Aco was town but he wanted to test it is lulz. I think his overall play has been pretty poor.

jasonT1981-meh. My read is more null leaning town. Did he loose his vote for today? If so he needs to vote and not unvote until after a vote count. Might be dumb but it’ll make me feel better.

Kublai Khan-I’m going back to me town stance on KK and this is why. I don’t consider KK that great of player (no offense, dude) I think his stance that my role was a scum role since the dead scum couldn’t roleblock me is incredibly nearsighted but I think I can see it from a town perspective.

Acosmist-Ben had a town read on this slot s I’m tempted to have a town read as well. I have a theory but I’ll go into that more on Monday.

[Nero Cain]

@Mod - Did Nero Cain pick up his opening day PM?

Well

now

I did. SRSly, chill the fuck out. I don't have any acsess at home and I'm not at the library 24/7.

[Nero Cain]

And mykonian's role sounds much more plausible then Nero Cain's.

Stop playing like you have a 2012 join date. Playing out guess the mod is getting very tiresome.

AP’s 4020 reads overly aggressive/defensive to me.

Curious, what were everyone's reads on Kise after the Yates flip?

I actually thought that Yates was distancing himself from Kise and I said as much in the qt. If Mastin was scum why would h shoot Kise whom I was planning on pushing?

Gah. Im just having trouble seeing the self-voting coming from town in a situation that could be MyLo.

Did we know for sure it was MyLo though? I know some mods do tell you when it is.

IMO, mods shouldn’t tell you when its Mylo. This was a 21 player game. Scums are usually in the 30ish% range. 5 scum is 23% (or so Mastin tells me) So to get up to 30ish it would be 6 scum.

If we have 3 scum left then yes we are in Mylo

today

.

AP’s alarmist attitude that we are in a lynch or loose situation looks a lil’ like inside information.

[Nero Cain]

AngryPidgeon-His stance that Aco was town but he wanted to test it is lulz. I think his overall play has been pretty poor.

Why is this a poor stance? I dont have sole control over the lynch. A lot of people suspected Acosmist throughout the game, so what is wrong with NOT WASTING A LYNCH to conf-town someone that cant be killed. (In a WORST case scenario)

Follow me here. You had a town read on ACO which means you believed his claim. If someone targeted him they’d die.

THAT’S WHAT YOU BELIEVED!!!

(or at least said you believed) If you believed he was town we’d still be

KILLING

a player so this whole “LOOK I’M SAVING A LYNCH!!!” is a total load of bullshit.

I also don't quite understand "I dont have sole control over the lynch." What was that about?

Without analysing connections, I'd never go to AP

Not the biggest fan of this post. Sometimes scum will

AVOID

a player on their team so there

won’t

be any connections that leads to their scum buddy. I don’t like how you’re writing off AP here.

WHO DID YOU SEND A MESSAGE TO LAST NIGHT?

Ive never been in a lylo as town before and I know better than that >.>

You know better than that but you still votted KK anyways? Your actions don't match your words.

AP GIMMIE A LINK TO YOUR LAST COMPLETED SCUM GAME.

my ring is waiting to be kissed for knowing Yates was scum from day 1, btw.

You knew he was scum but never voted him. I skimmed and all I saw was that you said that he had wierd behavior. I'm lazy and I want to see you do shit so why don't you post your posts where you called him scum

AND

tried to get him lynched.

[Nero Cain]

ACO could be scum, his play is certianly terrible enough.

Jason makes a good point. Did AP start claiming it was Mylo/lylo today or yesterday?

[Nero Cain]

Do you think his claiming it was LYLO may have been an attempt to save Yates?

[Nero Cain]

How the bloody hell could anyone think that at this point it would be a good idea to lynch Jason "to have him confirmed"?

So why are you voting Mastin over AP?

Why did you vote Mastin over AP yesterday?

[Nero Cain]

good job? Its not like scum don't hop on thier buddies lynch to distance themselves. I expect you to comple my request by the time I've come back on Monday/Tuesday.

[Nero Cain]

Why is there no link to a scu game from you AP? You've never been scum on this site?

[Nero Cain]

Post 78: Yates is obvtown

In fact Nero and BC are scummy just for calling that scummy.

AP-Yates conection found.

[Nero Cain]

If anyone is actually paying any attention to anything I say you’ll note that I find outguess the mod to be lame so this’ll probably come off as hypocritical but I have serious doubts about the claimed roles. We know there’s 2-3 scum left so we should look at the setup and see if it helps us peg scum.


So yesterday I was thinkin’ that we had only 2 scum left but as I posted earlier we might have 3. If we have 2 scum then it’s a 16/4/1 setup and 3 scum would make it 15/5/1.


We have 7 confirmed vt claims and 4 unconfirmed for a total of 11. That seems way too high for me. VT’s are usually in the 50ish% range. With a 15/16 member town that would make 9/8 be half.


We know the scum team has a roleblocker and a goon and 1-shot bomber?/extra kill thing. And there was an SK.

Town has a confirmed tracker, cop, doc and neighborizer. (Yes I know my own alignment)

MYKO’S Messager claim is also confirmed but not his alignment.

I think the PPO and Ghost claim seem possible. Though with 3 scum a 9/6 town split means one of the prs are lying and I’d put my money on Jason. Which means that two of the vts are scum and I’ thinkin’ an AP/MASTIN.

Jason/AP/Mastin?