Political Corruption Mafia - GAME OVER

[Nachomamma8]

REDCOYOTE WHY DO YOU THINK I AM SCUM
are you third party
i always think you are third party
and everyone thinks you are town, so that's not a good sign

[ActionDan]

thrid parties are very unlikely to exist with traitor scum in 19p. Balance is much much more geared to 4 group scum + 1 traitor.

If there was a 3rd party, I'd call it being benign, not survivor, not SK, not actively killing in any form

[RedCoyote]

You know how I play as scum, so quit acting suspicious of me.

I have told you why I think you're scum. You keep ignoring me. That last post is just another example of that.

Nacho I have had bad vibes on. You pointed out his reversal on Umbrage, but also he has been dodging questions. I feel like he's been trying to diminish my suspicions of him by not taking them seriously. Further, and I know Iec disagrees with me on this, I don't see how he missed NS flipping as a traitor. The role is a little too uncommon to miss, especially when shot on the first night. The things he has been saying have not added up.

[Umbrage]

RC INCLUDES NACHO IN GROUP OF FOUR POSSIBLE SCUMZ

NACHO FLIPS THE FUCK OUT

WHAT

MORE

NEEDS

TO

BE SAID?

VOTE: Nacho

CAN WE DO THIS NOW?

[Nachomamma8]

You know how I play as scum, so quit acting suspicious of me.

I have told you why I think you're scum. You keep ignoring me. That last post is just another example of that.

Nacho I have had bad vibes on. You pointed out his reversal on Umbrage, but also he has been dodging questions. I feel like he's been trying to diminish my suspicions of him by not taking them seriously. Further, and I know Iec disagrees with me on this, I don't see how he missed NS flipping as a traitor. The role is a little too uncommon to miss, especially when shot on the first night. The things he has been saying have not added up.

dodging questions, I always dodge questions
i don't mean to diminish your suspicions. i just don't see how you can find me scummy.
i missed NS flipping traitor, yeah. why is that scummy?

[Nachomamma8]

i will admit that I have been ignoring your suspicion a bit, though.
i just figured that they would have gone away by now
also I am ignoring Umbrage's suspicion because umbrage and I fighting is fun, but it devolves into idiocy waaaay too quickly.

[Umbrage]

SURE THAT'S THE REASON

[Johhog]

Prod dodge busy content soon.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Prod dodge busy content soon.

Also

Kill this with Fire

...

[Thor665]

Well look at his posts and tell me -

Does his complete ignoring of the Fujiko wagon (nothing either way), trying to claim Town cred for attempting to wagon a Mafia Traitor, and a complete lack of signficant scum-hunting since Mid Day 1 move you?

I think you're mistaking me saying I don't buy jis current lurk as a scum case with 'I don't buy there being a scum case' so...

Hell I'd prefer Johhog but I'm not getting that

Why not?
Flip over with me and let's pressure some of the derp votes off useless wagons and it can happen.

Also, seeing as how your Phil vote is useless - how about sheeping me?

Not Voting: Thor665

Vote: Johhog

So...sheep me? Since, y'know, you're not getting Nacho lynched, so...?
Or do you find Johhog townish or something?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Why not?
Flip over with me and let's pressure some of the derp votes off useless wagons and it can happen.

Because it is like 3 days to deadline and no-one has given one sideways glance at Johhog besides me ...

Where the hell have you been prior to this?



UNVOTE: Quar
VOTE: Johhog

I can always flip back even will LA as necessary ...

Also -

MOD - I'll be LA starting today at 5pm EDT until Monday for my usual family duties.

[Yosarian2]

@Yos...seriously? You would be ok with Umbrage making it to a 3 person Lylo? If he is telling the truth and his hated modifier is on a town double-voter, you really want a) a race to see who gets to the thread first [scum or Umbrage] and b) Umbrage deciding who scum is with the pressure of making a decision with zero discussion on that last day of the game.

(shrug) If Umbrage manages to post thread first, he has at least a 50/50 shot of hitting scum, which is better then the town's usual odds during 3 man lynch or lose.

Am I "ok" with it? I'm not real happy about the possibility. Obviously, though, a 3 man lynch or lose with umbrage is better then a 2 man, well, lose or lose without him. If he's town, and I think he is, he's still more useful to us alive then dead.

[Amrun]

N replaces Quaroath effective upon posting.

[N]

UNVOTE:

I see deadline is soon. I'd better get to readin'.

[N]

Can someone please give me a run-down of the top three or four wagons so I can see if I'm reading things right?

Looking through Johhog's iso, most of his posts are focused on NS, Umbrage and/or MoI.
Are all the votes on RedCoyote because of his claim? I don't see much else that's scummy about him.
The only thing I can see that's suspicious about Iecerint is that he seems to be making a bit too much of an effort to talk to everyone. (In other words, I don't understand that wagon either but I don't want to admit it.)
And is Umbrage confirmed town because he is Hated, or can Hated apply to scum as well? I've never played with it before and will look it up on the wiki in a moment.

[Thor665]

Where the hell have you been prior to this?

On a 12 day v/la due to adventuring in Greece - why haven't you made the wagon happen without me anyway

@N

The top wagons are - herpaderp vague agreement on lynching your slot due to it being useless.
Johhog because I may or may not be sheeping and acting like it's a new and exciting wagon.
Red Coyote because people are derp and trying to sideline votes rather than securing a lynch in order to grant him some, as of yet, unknown PR ability.
Iec because...I dunno.
Nacho because people are derping hard.
And I think that covers it.

You can tell me your thoughts on Umbrage later - I don't think he's confirmed, but he can't be lynched right now so it's of only academic worth right at this point.
Feel free to toss in on havingfitz too when you get there.

You should vote someone that isn't you.

[Thor665]

@Yos...seriously? You would be ok with Umbrage making it to a 3 person Lylo? If he is telling the truth and his hated modifier is on a town double-voter, you really want a) a race to see who gets to the thread first [scum or Umbrage] and b) Umbrage deciding who scum is with the pressure of making a decision with zero discussion on that last day of the game.

(shrug) If Umbrage manages to post thread first, he has at least a 50/50 shot of hitting scum, which is better then the town's usual odds during 3 man lynch or lose.

Am I "ok" with it? I'm not real happy about the possibility. Obviously, though, a 3 man lynch or lose with umbrage is better then a 2 man, well, lose or lose without him. If he's town, and I think he is, he's still more useful to us alive then dead.

Yo, Yos, i have a dramatic hint for you.
That Phil lynch? Y'know, the one you aren't pushing like...at all? Yeah, that one.
It isn't happening today.

You should move your vote now.
I vote you move to Johhog - but, really, any valid wagon move would be nice.

[havingfitz]

You can tell me your thoughts on Umbrage later - I don't think he's confirmed,

but he

can't

be lynched right now

so it's of only academic worth right at this point.

Why?

[Thor665]

I thought the concept of Governor was that it prevented a lynch - not simply reset a day.
You're saying he is lynchable?

Also, how do you feel about lynching Johhog?

[Iecerint]

Looks like Quaroath flaked off the entire site....

I will make myself read Johhog now.

[Iecerint]

I can see Fujiko being dumbtown. I'm OK to hammer Fujiko, but I'd like everyone to post their thoughts on Dan and get a better claim from him first.

I thought Fujiko was obvscum? I have a feeling that you're trying to sneak away from what you posted earlier, and that doesn't look good in my book.

VOTE: Umbrage
Really, NS being a traitor is enough here. And Umbrage hasn't exactly been playing stellar either. His early refusal to bus Fujiko being the main thing, bussing her only when the lynch was absolutely certain. Notice that he unvoted Fujiko right when the wagon was gaining momentum while still maintaining that she was "obvscum".

YYR is probably town, sadly. His only serious votes yesterday was for NS and Fujiko. ActionDan should also be in the clear by now, considering that the ones behind his wagon was NS, Fujiko and Umbrage.

These are a bit dissonant because D1 he criticized Umbrage for going from FujikoScum -> FujikoTown, but D2 he criticized Umbrage for waiting a long time to buss Umbrage (i.e., implicitly, for going from FujikoTown -> FujikoScum). There's some nuance where the second time Johhog points out that Umbrage unvoted Fujiko at first while still calling her obvscum, but I feel like calling someone obvscum is pretty aggressive rather than being "refusal to bus." It looks like he's trying to construe Umbrage's behavior as scummy without a reality-check.

Not sure why Johhog thinks NS votes have anything to do with alignment or why he thinks not voting someone while calling them scum is something you do to a scumfriend....

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: Johhog

[Johhog]

Back here. The votes on me are ridiculous, and that's an understatement. I will not comment on it further before someone presents a proper case on me.

I've read and the best course of action is to vote LLD. Sheeping, active lurking and an interesting connection with Fujiko are my main points.

UNVOTE: Umbrage
VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

[YYR]

What's the connection between Fujiko and LLD?

[Thor665]

@YYR - If he can't answer that functionally, you should vote him.