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Ranmaru wrote:I mean, essentially. Does more players = higher chance of games with good skill sets, or no?
Not in my experience; it's very 'random', mostly determined by playerlist and to a smaller degree by setup, in my experience. Larger games have a higher chance to have a VI, for example, but also that VI is a smaller percentage overall (usually). Complex setups can either attract good playerlists or be totally distracting and derailing to 'basic mafia' skills.Retired as of October 2014.- Mr. Flay
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In post 64, zoraster wrote:I think we need to think about getting more mods into the system.
Interesting, since the old problem was too many mods for the playerslots. Or do you think it's that mods are running fewer games/year?
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I'm just not buying that the Micro Queue is choking off the Large Theme Queue, modwise. The audiences are SO DIFFERENT.
We just went through a glut of newly-qualified Large Theme mods after the backlog in MN/Open cleared last year. That might have spiked the number of moderators for a bit... the datapoint for that is to look at, overall, how fast are Large Themes starting/filling. Not a snapshot of playerslots.Retired as of October 2014.- Mr. Flay
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Also, it would have taken me forfuckingEVER to complete ten games on site as a player. Not everyone plays multiple games at once, even as a newbie.
3/5/7/9 months and at least one game played in the queue you wish to run games in seems fair, if we're going to go that route. I also like some amount of minimum-RL-days-stayed-alive, but that can wait on automated game data.Retired as of October 2014.- Mr. Flay
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Quite simply, I'm not persuaded that people will play like Survivors any more than they already do. And if you keep the requirement for RL-days-alive low but realistic, it just eliminates the "played 1 game, got quicklynched D1, went on hiatus until time-to-mod expired" phenomenon that occasionally gets attempted.In post 130, Mehdi2277 wrote:Flay can you answer this for the staying alive thing:
In post 124, Mehdi2277 wrote:I wouldn't add length alive as a way to get experience. Making every player a part survivor if they want to mod quicker isn't a good idea (that and I'd say being night killed early is better then being lynched in lylo).Retired as of October 2014.- Mr. Flay
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I think I agree with quadz, given the data we have available. If there were a shortage of players, we'd be seeing games cancelled. If anything there MIGHT be a shortage of willing mods, but it's hard to say right now (I haven't run anything since the Rollback, but that's because of time, not inclination).
That said, I can definitely sympathize with zoraster; we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. [cue discussion on automating signups and mining data that way]Retired as of October 2014.- Mr. Flay
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Eh. Ideally a completed Large [X] and a completed [X] Theme (2 if Micro) would qualify you for a Large Theme, but I'm not sure that would fly with the userbase. We have enough trouble with the chokepoint of Mini Normal. And then there's the possibility of just making a Large Normal with 14p. *shrug*
I'm not sure how the current scenario ISN'T subject to Thok's Law, though. If anything playerslots being down is making it worse sitewide, yes?Retired as of October 2014.- Mr. Flay
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I've seen this repeatedly, and I have no idea what to do about it.
It's making people not want to join games if they're not spammer-posters.In post 225, Magister Ludi wrote:And with such high posting day one, come the next few days with lower posting it is easier for people to get 'bored' with the slowness.Retired as of October 2014.- Mr. Flay
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In post 280, zoraster wrote:In post 277, Mr. Flay wrote:The number who play 10+ at once has always been vanishingly small (as a percentage).
as a percentage of players or a percentage of player slots? because if you have a guy who is alive in 10, that's 1.5ish% of the total player slots, which isn't insignificant. Still, limits and what have you are crude at best measures for preventing site flaking having an outsized effect on the site.
As both you and cfj noticed, there are several ways of looking at player distribution. Even 1.5% is still small given that not every 10+ player flakes, of course. But we shouldn't encourage that behavior in unproven scummers.Retired as of October 2014.- Mr. Flay
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[citation needed]In post 289, Zachrulez wrote:a large majority of players who clearly know how to set limits themselves
No one is saying that limits will stay where they are now (or grow smaller) when they become sitewide. In fact most serious proposals reward non-flaking by increasing the limits to nearly the stratospherefor those who prove they can handle it. You assuming that this is about distrust or condescension really is off the mark.Retired as of October 2014.- Mr. Flay
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*shrug* What I notice, also anecdotally, is that people are STILL flaking on one game and signing up for another, or another two, almost immediately. I still see people have RL crisis up on them and have to drop several games, no matter how many they're playing. I don't play/have the stats to say what their average gameload is... but I doubt you do either. Overall I think our problem isn't so much with limits as the Total Lack of Consequences for Flaking.In post 295, mastin2 wrote:I don't have stats showing this, that people who play in a large number of games (say, 5+) are doing as I say. But from my subjective view, I've DEFINITELY noticed this trend. That people who play in more games, as a whole, are typically
Also, Zach, I likewise have no idea what you're talking about regarding disability.Retired as of October 2014.- Mr. Flay
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It's hard to tell how many people actually want them, but I've seen a few grind away for weeks in signups. Willing to believe that had more to do with moderator than Normal/Theme, though.In post 328, JacobSavage wrote:Out of interest, the Large Normal queue, why is it so small.
I mean for themes there seems to be mostly more Larges than smalls but it is quite the opposite.
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