TT; Book 1: Bible Verse Mafia - Game over!

[VisMaior]

Well too bad. Better luck next time. Go town...

[RoadBird]

Hmpf! You get a little flu and you miss all the fun

[VisMaior]

Well, at least you did not cpntribute to the sillyness that is lynching a claimed doc/hider based on FRITZLER of all people...

[Cadmium]

Vote count:

7 VisMaior (Fritzler, Commodore Amazing, mith, LoudmouthLee, VitaminR, Glork, Dragon Phoenix)

not voting (5): Ameliaslay, inHimshallibe, RoadBird, the silent speaker, VisMaior

Deathscene coming up.

[Cadmium]

One witness is not enough to convict a man accused of any crime or offense he may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

VisMaior - Psalm 32:7 - lynched

It is now night 5, deadline:

17 March 2006 10:00 am MST

[Cadmium]

All choices have been sent. Day will start tomorrow.

[Cadmium]

And they shall declare: "Our hands did not shed this blood, nor did our eyes see it done."

Dragon Phoenix - Acts 28:18 - perished to death
Glork - Acts 4:30 - struck to death with a wooden object

It is now day 5, with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Mackay will be replacing inHimshallibe. Unfortunately, I replaced him just before he came back.

[VitaminR]

Can someone explain to me what happened Day 4?

[Mackay]

*waves to everyone*

I have read the thread already, but I may need to do so again. Coming out of day 1 it seemed obvious to me that mith was mafia. I read through a long way with this preconception, only to see him have a corresponding verse to other players,

and

be cleared by a cop.

So, like I said, I want to read again. But for now, here is a list.

* Ameliaslay (replacing Coron)
* Commodore Amazing
* Fritzler
* Mackay (replacing inHimshallibe)
* LoudmouthLee (replacing Iammars)
* mith
* RoadBird
* the silent speaker - resurrected night 4
* VitaminR

IIRC, we have mith, Roadbird, and VitaminR all confirmed-ish by one another's verses. We have myself and mith again cleared by the claimed cop, LML, who appears to have lost his powers. I am willing to assume for now, at least, that the silent speaker is still innocent following his resurrection (however, the Job link makes me rather uneasy).

Provided LML is being truthful, we only have three options remaining. That would be Fritzler, Commodore Amazing, and Ameliaslay.

Fritzler's behaviour yesterday, obviously, rings huge scum bells. But it also raises a lot of questions, if he

is

scum. He made the statement "BTW-anyone who gets a pm from me-don't mention it in thread from now on". This basically gives him an out if he were lying about the PM - he could simply claim that nobody was willing to admit having received a PM due to the fact that he asked them not to. But this kind of lie would indicate that he was not able to send PMs at all, and seeing as LML backed him up, this would necessitate their being evil together.

But if they were, why would they make it so blatant? Besides which, I am still inclined to trust LML despite a couple of things which have made me uncomfortable now. He gave three innocent results - I cannot see his verse being naive - and due to the fact that there are two killing groups out there (perishing and hitting with stuff, yes?) he could not have

known

of the innocence of anyone outside his group, were he mafia.

Which then leads me to the conclusion that Fritzler

can

send PMs. But if THIS is the case, why does he not want the information revealed/people talking about it/confirming him? And why did he insist so strongly upon VisMaior's death?! Is there such a thing as an evil PM-sender?

Gah, this is all so circular. I do think, however, that Fritzler owes us a big explanation. I would also like to know more about how LML allegedly lost his powers. For caution's sake. Is recruitment a possibility?

[Mackay]

Did quick post-filter. I still trust LML.
Therefore, I just don't KNOW about Fritz. Gah.

I want to take a closer look at all three unconfirmed.

[Mackay]

(sorry for the triple post) Would also like to hear more from the silent speaker.

[Mackay]

Oh boy!

I was labouring under the impression that there were two groups of baddies - one which killed by whacking with things, and one which killed by "perishing". But the "perisher" has hit two seemingly separate groups of baddies. This did not even click until now.

The presence of a cult seems more and more likely. My apologies to CA, who mentioned it first. (I only noticed because I was going through his posts looking for things to attack)

Forget what I said about the three unconfirmed - if there is a cult, everyone's a suspect again. And my prime suspect for "cultist" is LoudmouthLee. However, I do not wish to vote him, as obviously there would be an original 'recruiter' out there who got LML into the cult after he got three choices in. If this is the case, then I am in agreement that the "perisher" is, in fact, a vig.

Oh! OH!!

Vote: Fritzler

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that he "knew" VisMaior was evil because he couldn't recruit him! How'd'you like that?!

Once we kill the cult recruiter, then we can concentrate on catching mafia. (IMO at least it's more important to first get the person who is able to "convert" the entire town to evil, yes? Once a recruiter is dead we at least know the cult will expand no further)

heh... just previewed the post... you can see my mind randomly leaping from idea to idea as it progresses!

[Dragon Phoenix]

[mith]

I decided yesterday I'd vote for Fritzler if VM turned out innocent. I need to reread first though.

[VitaminR]

I'd personally prefer to hear from Fritzler and LML before deciding on anything.

[Fritzler]

1 Corinthians 15:1

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

I had no clue what my role is so these were my night choices

N1 choice fuldu
N2 Vismaior
N3-VisMaior again
N4-LML

I found out I could talk with LML, and put together mason recruiter. So I recruited someone n5 that can confirm me if they want to. I falsely assumed that I could recruit any pro-town player, not realizing something like VM the doc wouldn't be recruitable. Ummm.....my bad?

PS Mackay, you're a baller for figuring out the allegiance, except for that whole im pro town thang

[VitaminR]

I'm assuming nothing at all after happened the first three nights?
Any idea how LML's power loss fits in and whether is it permanent?

It seems odd that a cop would be recruitable, but not a doc. I don't think Fritz is lying, though. That would be too obvious.

[VitaminR]

Except of course if VM wasn't a doc, but a hider.

That does seem likely, especially when looking at Glork's verse:

"Stretch out your hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus."

Reads like a doc to me.

[Mackay]

N1 choice fuldu

[*]Fuldu -

Numbers 35:17

- perished to death Night 3

So let me get this straight.

- You recruited Fuldu, who was evil, on night 1.
- You made an unsuccessful attempt to recruit VisMaior on night 2. However, you say nothing about this on day 2.
- You made another unsuccessful recruiting attempt on night 3. In the morning, Fuldu, who you allegedly recruited, turns out to be evil.
- Having had a successful attempt, then, at recruiting someone evil, and an unsuccessful attempt at recruiting someone else, you continue to keep your mouth shut.
- You recruit a claimed cop on night 4, thus stripping him of his powers.
- On Day 4, two days after the first unsuccessful attempt, and after the person you allegedly DID recruit turns out evil, you decide to go rabidly after the person who you were unable to recruit.

Is this really, honestly, what you are saying happened?!

confirm vote: Fritzler

[Fritzler]

I didn't know I was a recruiter, until I recruited LML. I had no clue what I was actually. I put it back together later, and I'm like, oh fuldu wasn't recruitable, probly cuz he was scum. So that means VM = scum.

[Fritzler]

No, I couldn't recruit Fuldu Mackay, hence my suspicon that VM = scum.

[Mackay]

Crap, I've got to go to work.

Just quickly: Just how many bad guys, then, do you think are still out there, Fritz?

[Fritzler]

Crap, I've got to go to work.

Just quickly: Just how many bad guys, then, do you think are still out there, Fritz?

Well, there's nine alive, I know me and lml are town.

We have either three or four masons.

That's 5-6 pro town players right there. Plus TSS was pro town.

6-7. So 2-3 maximum. I'm thinking two, one from a main group, and then the perisher, the SK.

[Fritzler]

PS Have fun at work mackay.

[Mackay]

Crap, I've got to go to work.

Just quickly: Just how many bad guys, then, do you think are still out there, Fritz?

Well, there's nine alive, I know me and lml are town.

We have either three or four masons.

That's 5-6 pro town players right there. Plus TSS was pro town.

6-7. So 2-3 maximum. I'm thinking two, one from a main group, and then the perisher, the SK.

So there were the half-masons with the identical verses AND the "recruiting masons" led by Fritz?

What is your opinion of EnderX's alignment?

VitaminR, you're a semi-member of a mason group yourself. Do you really believe that there is another?

More to say - REALLY gotta go. What's a baller?

P.S. Thanks Fritz!