Open 314: CSL Express [SCUM WINS]

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/confirm

[SigmaEXE003]

Neil.

Get an avatar.

Several people have told me to. To answer again, No. I will not. I have a sig, if you want to remember who I am, remember my sig. I do not need to get an Avatar.

You also don't need to get an attitude. Just appease them and get an avatar. It's not too hard to do a Google image search.

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Vote: yourfriendlynoggin

If the mod voted for you, you

must

be scum.

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What a Tragedy..

Oh, I see what you did there.

Unvote
Vote: TheLonging

[SigmaEXE003]

Note that "Exactly" option on Images?

What?

You can set the dimensions as a search parameter. So you could search "Dwayne Johnson" on Google images and set the dimensions for 100X100. Or you could find one you like and resize it yourself.

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Neil getting an avatar would actually increase the chances of a town win in this game.

How so?

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It's just easier to remember reads this way, when I think someone is scum, I don't want to remember a blue screen, I want to remember their avi.

... I don't see it. An attempt to look pro-town maybe? Or perhaps an attempt to prolong this phase of not really doing anything. Either way, seems pretty scummy. For now:

Unvote
Vote: Vifam

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ugh I know it's early in the game but that is some flimsy reasoning

I thought it was obvious that it was more to provoke discussion by the fact that I said "for now."

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We need something to provoke discussion. A vote with a reason, no matter how flimsy it is, will generate discussion. The point is, when a vote is to apply pressure and/or start discussion, it'll probably be removed after it receives commentary, and that's when I call it a temporary vote. A non-temporary vote is when you're actually looking to lynch someone. Sure, all votes are subject to change, but usually people stick with a vote as long as possible if they actually have a scumread on that person.

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Got a reason?

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As for scum hunting, I really don't like how fast Vifam's wagon formed. I'm making note now that one of jakesh97, SigmaEXE003, Hiraki, or don_johnson is scum.

Vifam, out of everyone on your wagon, why did you vote DJ? Even though he technically placed the vote to put you at L-2, all of them are obviously comfortable with your lynch for them to be wagoning you...

I don't see it. None of us said or implied that we were fine with a lynch.

Because Don-john was the one who wanted discussion to happen, a lot faster, and that totally contradicts that with him putting me at L-2. He could be trying to apply pressure but I feel like a player who really seemed like he wanted to discuss things wouldn't act so rashly, unless he was scum.

L-2 is not a dangerous position to put someone at, especially not on page 4. Any competent player would not hammer on page 4 and not without a damn good reason. It would be their own death sentence.

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not playing stupid. just pointing out that you are assuming everyones intentions. some players vote for pressure. yes, every vote carries a certain inherent intent to lynch, but you seem to implying something much more devious. like some sort of quicklynch attempt was being made. lighten up. and don't call me stupid.

QFT

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Now tell me, how does putting me at L-2 create any discussion other than the tunneling of me?

My guess is at that point we would all begin to take sides. There would be the people who support the bandwagon, the people who are against the bandwagon, and the people that are neutral to it. The supporters would defend why they like the bandwagon, those against it would argue why it's not a good bandwagon, and this would eventually lead into discussion about something else. Maybe one person would take too much effort to support the bandwagon, and then everyone who could see the inherent scumminess of the bandwagon would form a wagon on that person, and the process would repeat itself, but this division would have more information to work with. Of course, this is only one possibility. The point is discussion about one thing, no matter how ridiculous, will eventually lead into more serious discussion. This is why RVS is supported here.

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A real vote? Without a reason?

Mind enlightening us?

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There is no town reason to with-hold content. I hope you realize this.

he says as he witholds content.

unvote, vote: hiraki

anfrew, come join the shotty/dj voting block. neil too.

Short posts and withholding your thoughts are entirely different. Hiraki posts his suspicions when they come up. Neil admitted he has reads but just doesn't make them known. Not the same thing. While on this subject...

Unvote
Vote: Neil

Until you stop withholding your thoughts and/or give us your reason. Because I don't see any reason townies would hesitate to post their thoughts.

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ALSO OF IMPORTANCE:

Sigma jumped on Vifam's wagon when Vifam was at L-2, with little to no case as well. It looks like over=enthusiastic scum really wanting a mislynch. Considering I have a town read right now on Vifam, I'm confident that Sigma knows both of us is town, and is looking to push an easy lynch, to end the day. Coincidence that the two main wagons he was on, were the only two main wagons in the game? I think not.

Hey chucklefuck, I placed the second vote, not the L-2 vote.

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Thank you. I was waiting for someone to make this point and call me out on it. To be fair though, the point I wanted to make, is that Anti-Town does not equal scum. Scum does not equal Anti=Town. I gave an open door for scum to try and push this easy lynch on me, and you took the bait. Townies have no reason to try and pursue "easy mislynches" the way you are with me.

I admit, (and have admitted), some of my actions have been anti-town

. However, a townie wants to lynch scum, not anti-town townies. You cannot possibly claim I'm scum, as there is no case to be made against me because I'm town, and

all my posts have come from town motivation

. Others have seen that, the only people who don't are... well, yeah. One of them is tunneling me obviously, one of them is just glad to have gotten the wagon off his back, and the other... well I'm not sure about him. He seems smart, so I'm still curious why his vote lays on me still. You however, I'm pretty sure are scum. You took the bait, took the trap, and now you're attempting to push the easy lynch by putting me at

L-2

due to "lack of content" and not due to "you're scum." I was waiting for someone to take it, and now that someone has I'm confident with where I place my vote.

VOTE: SigmaEXE003

... Check out the two bolded parts. Seriously...

Anyway, you saying you're town won't make people believe you're town. And you do that a lot. The only ones who need to make such a huge point that they're townie or pro-town are scum.

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I'm saying Town's desire is to find scum, not anti-town people. Anti-town can be both town or scum motivated. It's a playing style sometimes, or a specific gaming style for that game. It's not always pointing one way or another, so being Anti-Town is, in and of itself, null.

Sure, our ultimate goal is to lynch scum, but having anti-town people around makes that harder. You know, anti means against, so against the town. If you're working against the town, we may as well get rid of you to make our job easier.

Yes, Townies say they are town, Scum say they are town. Null point?

Bolded Point: Opinion stated like a fact. I like it. You're sneaky. The "fact" is, scum do say they are town a lot, but so does a townie about to get lynched? Another, might I say, NULL point. So drink coke, and play again scum!

The point I was trying to make is not solely that you say you're town a lot, but that you don't defend yourself along with it. You just say "There is no case to be made against me since I'm town." But we don't know if you're town. So that won't change our opinion of you. Not only are defenses of that sort a scumtell (from personal experience), they won't even work if you're town.

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He answered that...

If I vote Neil, I must be bussing if there's a scumteam of me and Neil.

ISO 35.

~Fixed

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EBWODP - Failed quote tags, but you get the point.

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are you and hiraki masons?

First off, I don't think this game has masons. Second, no, we're not, I just read the thread.

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Hiraki, and Sigma: Have you guys played together before? A lot, or just once or twice?

Nope, never.

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Where have I been a jerk?

When you made that signature...

Anyway, Neil, I don't really think we have similar playing styles. Maybe in this game, but not overall. I think he knows what he's doing, though. When I believe someone's right, I'll side with them. Simple as that.

Anyway, as for the rest of it, I don't believe town can trust anyone. Especially not in a nightless game. I believe since the mafia doesn't have the power of a night kill, they'd make a better effort to lead the town into mislynches and look pro-town. You never know who you're trusting. It's better just to form reads on your own.

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Can we all agree to just forget this game happened? 'Kay, cool.