The Brave and the Beautiful 2: Fairy Tales ÔÇô Game Over

[Robocopter87]

VOTE: Robocopter87

[Robocopter87]

The same person I would have voted without the dice!
Not changing my vote .. He is obv-scum ..

Vote: kunkstar7

Possible buddy to Robo, but Robo is clearly the scummiest so far.

[Robocopter87]

Given LL's vote
- was not on kunstar
- And avoided the current biggest wagon (Iece)
+
Iece's vote on Fate

I feel confident enough to make an early scum team call of {kunstar, Iece, LL}.

Cool, this means I can ignore your posts for the remainder of the game, since they're going to be as crap as this one was.

I mean, you're calling scumteams on Page 2? What makes you confident enough to be able to do that? What connects us together, beyond the fact that I chose not to vote for either of the two you're calling scum with me?

And why exactly do I need to add my vote to either of the two biggest wagons in RVS?

UNVOTE: Robo

I'm intrigued by your reaction to his post. He posted a simple idea scumteam from the information thus far in order to show his opinion and get things rolling.

And you blast out at him. Yes, nailing a scumteam so early on isn't very probable but that doesn't mean he shouldn't start scumhunting.

I dislike your reaction to his post.

And because this post puts you brightest on my scumdar right now I'll vote you.

VOTE: Lady L

On another note,

The scumteam of Kunkstar, LL, and Iece seems a little far fetched.

Though LL's reaction was scummy and I do think she is scum, I don't see any connection with her to the other two you called scum, ooba.

So, my thoughts.

• LL's reaction to ooba's post == scummy
  
• Ooba's scumteam doesn't make much sense to me.
  
• But even though it doesn't make sense, LL is still scum

[Robocopter87]

@Robo: Please outline exactly what makes my reaction scummy. I want to know what part of my post made you think I was scum. The only information you gave me in your post was "this reaction is scummy". What was scummy about it? What parts of the post expressed this scummy trait? Be specific.

Of course.

Cool, this means I can ignore your posts for the remainder of the game, since they're going to be as crap as this one was.

I mean, you're calling scumteams on Page 2? What makes you confident enough to be able to do that? What connects us together, beyond the fact that I chose not to vote for either of the two you're calling scum with me?

And why exactly do I need to add my vote to either of the two biggest wagons in RVS?

The bolded part is the one that got me the most.

The first thing you say to his suggested scumteam was this. How it sucked. You blasted out at him. You had an angry reaction the suggestion that you were on a scumteam. To me that tells me that you are angry that he has pinned you down as scum and hes right.

Your first reaction to calling you scum was for you to immediately defile his post. To discredit it and try to make it false.

And to me that just means you are scum and don't want to be put on any scumteams on page 2.

Mainly the bolded. Your attitude towards his post.

The questions toward the validity of his post were more sensical but still its clear you were trying to discredit him.

Thats what I found scummy about your post. It was your reaction.

[Robocopter87]

So frustration and lashing out at people is now a scum tell?

Why then, have you not voted Fate?

By your logic, any discrediting of another player is scummy.

And yet, Fate does this in his post about HavingFitz.

Your selective use of this reaction tell is noted.

Though, this has no reflection on Fate's alignment. It can be equally attributed to you being scared of voting Fate.

But thats the thing, why were you so frustrated and lashing out at such an obviously ludicrous post? There was no call for anger, there was call for thinking it was ridiculous. But suddenly you flip out and start calling it all stupid.

I don't see Fate OMGUS-ing people.

Discrediting of havingfitz and your discrediting of Ooba was a completely different scenario.

I don't think Fate is scum or town. I have a null read on Fate thus far. I don't see him doing anything scummy, but I also don't see him as supertown. At such an early point in the game I have multiple null reads on most of the player list. I have no intention of voting Fate.

Oh, and Robo?

I am confirmed to myself as town.

He claims I am scum.

Of course I'm going to say his post is "false" and make it look false.

You know why? Because it is.

Your logic fails to hold up in any meaningful way.

Of course you are going to say your town. What else would you call yourself?

Yes, he did think you were scum.

Waaaaaaaaait.

Why, "Make it look false"?

Are you saying that instead of saying whats wrong with it you have to make it appear false instead? Why do you need to give it a veneer of false when it has obvious flaws in it already?

My Logic is holding up by your very actions. I posted that you had a scummy reaction to a post, you then asked why it was scummy. I gave you an answer. You Quadruple posted!

Actually, the more I read that reasoning by Robo, the more I twitch.

Unvote; Vote: Robo

Your one reason was only that I was "trying to discredit his post". Yet, he calls me scum in the post, which to me, clearly makes it false. Why are you ignoring that contradiction, Robo?

Now hold on a second, I covered this so-called "Contradiction"?

Did I not post that his reasoning made no sense?

• LL's reaction to ooba's post == scummy
  
• Ooba's scumteam doesn't make much sense to me.
  
• But even though it doesn't make sense, LL is still scum

The reason that

I

think you are scum is because of your reaction.
The reaction was scummy because of a question.
The question being,

If Ooba's scumteam suggestion was so futile, why did you react so violently towards it?

Kunkstar7, why are you voting for Iecerint? You didn't even mention him in your post.

This.

Ooba needs to post.

And this.

PEDIT x4:

Kunk changed his vote, so scratch the part about explanations.

@Fate: Why is Iece town?

ANOTHER PEDIT: Please stop ninjaing me.

Yet another PEDIT: I asked nicely.

[Robocopter87]

Robo, have you ever played with LLD before?

I have not. I am pretty sure, but not 100%. I don't recall any time we have.

Oh, and look: Robo made another set of bad posts. I'll get to those when I'm not on my phone.

You are the Discredit-o-matic. Yes, please respond to the posts when you have time.

[Robocopter87]

Yes, it was terrible. I know. Jeez.

I'm working on improving my playstyle, because I totally hate the way I played and how badly it was.

I did win though. And I was town.

[Robocopter87]

In TBATB 1, the scum were not given Fake Claims. It could have possibly been added on in this one.

Also, TBATB 1 was total power roles. As I suspect this one to be.

I'm sticking to the LLD wagon.

[Robocopter87]

[cps]
She made an avatar bet when she was a fucking POWER ROLE?

Wht the fuck are you clowns doing

why isnt she dead

No SERIOUSLY[caps]

You put Caps in your [caps] tags. Probably makes that lowercase.

[Robocopter87]

I called her out on a single post she made and she quadruple posted in retaliation

and

voted me for it.

[Robocopter87]

>___>
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Seriously?

If so, Why?

If not, Who?

[Robocopter87]

I lost a post when the thread locked, but a couple thoughts in response to Robo:
-TBATB1 had one scum with a fake claim who was also a delayed death-miller(death-GF?)
-There were delayed, framing, and limited reveal mechanics in place which could result in almost any townie flipping with death-miller flavor before the delayed reveal
-In TBATB1, scum were drawn from "villains" or "evil" characters, but it wasn't such a strong distinction that they would necessarily need fake claims. I could easily see the same thing happening here; mafia could be drawn from good, evil, or ambiguous fairy tale characters. Regardless, are you trying to say that LLD's claim is plausible, but it is probably a fake claim? Sounds like unnecessary confirmation bias.
--Also, given the Ariel claim and the Disney inspiration for the character art, there is a possibility for LLD-Ursula with a disguise/fake as Ariel.

Yes, thats what I'm saying.

I'm saying that this game is probably all power roles like the first, and that just because somebody claims a power role, doesn't mean we should back off fully. But rather ponder the situation. I have pondered and I think LLD is in still scum.

I am not backing off the lynch just yet.

[Robocopter87]

Sorry guys, had some RL stuff to do.

I plopped in to do stuff on my Modded games but didn't come into here.

But why was I prodded? Makes no sense, it hasn't even been three days at this post.

Anywho, I should be more active now. I've done a quick skim. Will go back more in depth soon.

Thyough I wantz LLD lynch I'm afraid it just ain't happening.

UNVOTE: LLD

[Robocopter87]

Okay. I have a few things to address. My unvote on LLD, then a flavor thing I saw, and then what my thoughts are on the current lynch candidates.

Reason I unvoted.

In the beginning of the game I found LLD scummy, blah blah blah, stuff went down, and I kept my vote. Then LLD claimed. With the claim the wagon basically disintegrated at the thought of possibly killing a town role. The thing is, from what I can tell, SpyreX was a powerrole.

The reason for my belief in him being a powerrole was the flavor of his death.

She'd been minding her own business, caring for the Lost Boys with all the tenderness of a Real Mother, when a surreptitious figure had sneaked up and fired upon her with a cold ruthlessness, then disappeared without a trace.

Dearly they fought for their hard-won Mother's survival, but all they knew of medical procedure they had learned from her, and their poor little hands faltered at the task of staunching the flow of blood. With her last breaths, she thanked them gently for their efforts, calmly made known her deep love for each of them, and spoke with wistful tears of how she would miss them so. They begged her not to leave them, Lost and without a Mother. But in the end, her head lolled to her chest and with a last, longing look, her eyelids fluttered gracefully closed for the final time.

This.

The first thing I noticed was the description of the killer of Wendy, a surreptitious figure. Cold Ruthlessness. This leads me to believe that this is Flavor Confirmed Scum. No Town aligned role I can think of would be described like that.

Then, I saw the part saying,

"but all they knew of medical procedure they had learned from her"

. Medical Procedure. Town flip. This has to be a powerrole.

So, Spyre's death kinda solidified my thoughts on a total PR based game along with LLD's claim.

So if everybody is a powerrole, I think that claiming a powerrole isn't exactly a free pass.
But then other wagons came up, and I finally got real with myself and just decided, the LLD lynch just ain't happening, yet.

Game mechanic fishing stuff aside. People are voting Iece, and they are voting Kdub.

@The Kdub lynch.

I personally don't see Kdub's as extremely scummy. I don't see them as Lynch worthy. But apparently everybody else does.

If

it comes down to a deadline, I would be willing to hammer Kdub. But for now I am not going to.

@ The Iece lynch

This is a wagon i could jump on. Iece's response to Fitz have been calling scum to me. Fitz's case on Iece is good. And I agree with it in its entirety. I approve a Iece lynch. But I am not going to place a vote yet due to the fact that I have my own suspicion.

I am suspicious of Amrun.

I decided to ISO Amrun just now and I am not suspicous anymore.

I felt there was a lack of content recently but I think its par for the course and that certain players (Cough cough bv310 cough) have done a lot less.

So there is my opinion of the happenings so far.
Any questions I will answer.

[Robocopter87]

Robo - This is a BatB game. Everyone's a PR in some way.

Thats not confirmed, its implied.

[Robocopter87]

@Amrun: What are you talking about? I was talking about SpyreX, who was Wendy. Not Ariel.

Also, LLD wagon == good. I thought it wasn't going to happen but I am on it.

VOTE: LLD

[Robocopter87]

Ummm... Okay. I guess change of plans then.

[Robocopter87]

Meaning I have no clue what is going on besides the fact we just lynched Kunkstar without much discussion.

[Robocopter87]

Yep.

[Robocopter87]

Woot. I was N1 kill. Because they thought I was Cop.

I rock.

[Robocopter87]

What were my reads before I died?

Ooba
Sathoris
Kast

EVERYONE


O RLY

YA RLY

DAY ONE READS ARE DAY ONE, TROLL MOD

FTFY

[Robocopter87]

MoI just reached new levels of Awesome.