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Post Post #73 (isolation #0) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:10 pm

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I forgot to bookmark this thread, so I didn't realize it was live.

VOTE: camn

I don't care if you did it as Town. Mass nameclaiming at this point in the day is an anti-Town suggestion. Don't ever do that as Town again.

FOS: Incognito
: Weird first couple of posts, then the dice-rolling to decide who was scummier. Not liking it.
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Post Post #78 (isolation #1) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:08 pm

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camn wrote:As if I am taking suggestions from YOU regarding what is town play.

My eye sockets cannot contain the depth of my eye rolling.

I'm sorry, we've never played together before. So your vehemence towards me is baffling at the least. Further, I have an excellent record as scum...so if you don't trust my opinion on good Town play, trust it on bad scum play.
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Pine wrote:I forgot to bookmark this thread, so I didn't realize it was live.

VOTE: camn

I don't care if you did it as Town. Mass nameclaiming at this point in the day is an anti-Town suggestion. Don't ever do that as Town again.

FOS: Incognito
: Weird first couple of posts, then the dice-rolling to decide who was scummier. Not liking it.


So you're not voting her for being scummy, just doing something anti-town?

UNVOTE: Haylen
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Interesting. I didn't say that.

PE: Again, what part of calling her anti-Town and voting for her was confusing? By no means do I have certainty of her alignment (I'm not a daycop) but I feel it is the best lead we have right now, IMO. Jumping on bvoigt's lame-but-probably-honest accusation before I had a chance to respond is pretty scummy of
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Post Post #80 (isolation #2) » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:51 pm

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You're the only person it makes any sense for that to be directed at. PE stands for preview edit. You posted while I was writing mine.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #3) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:51 am

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I'm pretty sure I didn't stutter. I voted because Camn's actions are anti-Town. (Note for the stupid: "anti-Town" is a synonym for "scummy".)
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Post Post #89 (isolation #4) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:17 am

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No, I said it's anti-Town, and if she's ever done it as Town, she shouldn't do it again, because it is inherently anti-Town. In other words, it was really bad play when she did it as Town, and just because she's done it before does not excuse her current bout of scummy behavior.

You speak English? Because I'm being pretty damn clear here, and you're doing everything in your power to turn a simple statement into something it was not.
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Post Post #91 (isolation #5) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:20 am

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I've answered your question several times. I'm not going to do so again.
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Post Post #98 (isolation #6) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:23 pm

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camn wrote:Hmm.

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He knows I am town. He wrote that post knowing I am town. Then he voted me knowing I am town.

QED.

No, I don't, or I wouldn't be voting for you.

Next time you play as Town, don't do something that staggeringly anti-Town, and people like me won't get an immediate scumread on you.

This time, though, you did it and I have a scumread from it. If you're Town, you're doing nothing to dissuade me.
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Post Post #101 (isolation #7) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:44 pm

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ANTI-TOWN ACTIONS ARE BY DEFINITION SCUMMY.

YOU'RE SPLITTING HAIRS INSTEAD OF DOING ACTUAL SCUMHUNTING. THEY MEAN THE SAME GODDAMN THING.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #8) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:48 pm

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Incog, your first couple of posts just struck me oddly. I can't really put my finger on it, but it comes off as nervous and too-eager to make a good impression. Then when you had two people you were expressing suspicion of, you used a random number generator to choose which to vote for, instead of logical deduction.

It looked out of place to me, but not a definitive tell one way or the other. Suspicious, but not damning. Hence, FOS.

I am deliberately choosing to ignore camn et al for now. This debate has rapidly devolved from rational to mudslinging and strawman attacks, and I will not be a party to that. I am considering replacing out, as this is not the kind of environment I want to play this game in.

@Mod: Hey Pie, can you do something to reign in your players? I'm not easily offended, but this just isn't fun for me.
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Post Post #113 (isolation #9) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:00 pm

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I don't care about semantics, Incog. I care about the aggressive, personal attacks and the unwillingness to engage in rational debate in preference to hair-splitting and "la-la-la I can't hear you" attitudes.

So if this doesn't markedly improve, I will be replacing out.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #10) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:37 pm

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Camn provided a reference where she'd done it previously as Town. The first bolding is NOT present tense. It is past tense.

The second bolding is not present tense, it is future tense.

Rewritten for clarity:

I don't care if you did it once as Town. Mass nameclaiming at this point in the day is an anti-Town suggestion. In future games you play as Town, don't do it again.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #11) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:13 pm

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They're not mutually exclusive.

Acting scummy (oh hey, I
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Post Post #118 (isolation #12) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:17 pm

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^Last sentence is an oversimplification. Acting scummy and giving Town false leads is bad Town play, but that is not the entirety of what qualifies as bad Town play. This whole debacle over splitting hairs also qualifies, but is not also scummy.

In fact, the objection I had is
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Post Post #123 (isolation #13) » Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:26 am

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For the last fucking time, this one with no frills or equivocation:

Yes, I found Camn's play scummy, most noticeably in the stunningly anti-Town suggestion of a massclaim.

Yes, I always meant this.

Further, I find Camn's reaction to my suspicion even MORE scummy than my initial reasons.

If I could not vote for Camn, I'd be voting for Green Crayons or Incognito, in that order. The latter's reaction to suspicion has allayed some of my doubts, but does not clear him.

Finally, I do not deal in absolutes. That is the province of scum and Masons, and I am neither. I will, however, have to remember to write clearly and use small words with this group.
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Post Post #195 (isolation #14) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:30 am

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There were no posts on the 16th (or 15th, I think) whose timestamp ended in :02, Magua. The time Peregrine is arbitrary and perhaps sarcastic, indicating (to me) that Pere doesn't have a good response. Possible 'scumslip'.
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Post Post #212 (isolation #15) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:56 pm

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I'm V/LA, camn, how much detailed activity do you want from me?

I get home Tuesday evening. You'll see a big up-tick in activity then.

Also, you seem to define "pro-Town" as "doesn't suspect me". Not an encouraging attitude, though I'm starting to see you as less likely to be scum despite it.
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Post Post #213 (isolation #16) » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:58 pm

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What open questions for me do you have? It's very hard to go archive-spelunking from my phone. Your moronic "dare" doesn't count.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #17) » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:45 pm

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I landed in Syracuse safe and sound, just figured y'all should know. Content coming tomorrow. This game is second on my list of priorities.

Gah. Midwestern accent is even creeping into my typing.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #18) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:14 am

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Magua wrote:Pine is probably town, but not as strong as Haylen.

Peregrine kind of pointed this out already, but it immediately went up as a red flag to me too.

This is a major reversal on your part, and I cannot recall ever seeing reasoning on where I went from one of your top three scum picks to one of your top two Town picks.

----

In other news, I way overslept today. I blame jet lag. This thread is my second or third priority, but I'm going to have to do a full re-read, as there have been days while on vacation where skimming was the best I could do.

PE: As scummy as Pere is (and always is to me) that's a fairly major character, if I'm reading this cast page right (I've never seen the show). I'm inclined to believe the name claim is legit, though it now occurs to me that I cannot speak to role or alignment. Someone who's seen the show, please. I suppose it is important for me to go watch it or something, so I can use flavor to assist.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #19) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:40 am

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I just read a plot summary, and it seems to me that the Mafia could be drawn from two different factions.

They could be Rotti Largo and his two children that are scheming to take control of GeneCo (Luigi and Pavi), or it could be nameless Repo men against the Town.

Admittedly, I still haven't seen the show, and my interpretation (or the summary's) may be flawed, but Luigi sounds like an antagonist.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #20) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:13 am

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I'm watching a copy of Repo! now. I'll be able to comment better on flavor after I've seen it.
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Post Post #302 (isolation #21) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:31 am

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No, Yos, if there's a vig, it's gotta be Nathan. Luigi is plausible as SK, but I'm seeing the Largo family as the Mafia here. Four Mafia is a bit much for a game this size, so there's probably some internal Mafia politics, that would fit with the flavor. I just finished playing a Star Wars-themed game (on a different site) where there were more Mafia than usual, but they had Usurper mechanics in line with the Sith Rule of Two...there's a similar flavor going on with the Largo family here.

Graverobber as third party. Maybe some kind of unique mechanic to reflect stealing from the dead or Survivor. Shiloh is a VT role. Amber may be the non-Mafia Largo, she's the most self-interested and least...evil. Pavi may have some kind of mechanic related to his face-changing. Blind Mag is probably some kind of investigative role. Watcher maybe?

But yeah. I can't see Luigi Largo as Town, and certainly not as a VT.

UNVOTE: Camn <--Holy shit, I thought I unvoted a while ago.
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Post Post #307 (isolation #22) » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:05 pm

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Oooookaayyyy. Looks like the roles bear no real resemblance to the show.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #23) » Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:55 am

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Vote: Incognito


I've had suspicions from the start.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #24) » Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:32 am

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I couldn't, and still can't, see how the Largos are anything other than the Mafia in this. I figured she was going for the "Mafia wouldn't fakeclaim that role, it's too damning" defense. Looks like it produced that reaction from Trip.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #25) » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:02 pm

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Trip, have you seen Repo?
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Post Post #315 (isolation #26) » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:05 pm

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It's like we were playing Lion King Mafia, and one player claimed a hyena. Then they flip Town, while another hyena flips Mafia and Scar flips Town.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #27) » Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:38 pm

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Can't elaborate much from phone, but Incog pointing at those three (which I have no problem with in itself) but singling out Fugi, who just replaced in at the end of the day, and singling him out for non-contribution, looks sketchy to me.
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Post Post #325 (isolation #28) » Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:14 pm

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Seriously, Yos? Fugi replaced someone WHO FLAKED. And you're using lack of content from the slot as evidence? Really fucking lame.

Incog, I offered that as a recent EXAMPLE. Still on phone (I'm camping for a couple days) so full case is pending.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #29) » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:04 am

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@Trip: You seem to be ignoring this post.
Pine wrote:No, Yos, if there's a vig, it's gotta be Nathan. Luigi is plausible as SK, but I'm seeing the Largo family as the Mafia here. Four Mafia is a bit much for a game this size, so there's probably some internal Mafia politics, that would fit with the flavor. I just finished playing a Star Wars-themed game (on a different site) where there were more Mafia than usual, but they had Usurper mechanics in line with the Sith Rule of Two...there's a similar flavor going on with the Largo family here.

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But yeah. I can't see Luigi Largo as Town, and certainly not as a VT.

UNVOTE: Camn <--Holy shit, I thought I unvoted a while ago.
VOTE: PeregrineV

Stating that I believe the name claim, but not the role claim, and voting based on it...there IS no other interpretation other than the scum-being-bold interpretation.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #30) » Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:46 am

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Gah. I'm awake I swear.

Been paying attention, just not had comments come to me. I'll find some time to read through and update.
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Post Post #423 (isolation #31) » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:34 am

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Picking up prod. Skimmed the thread, looks like nothing important has happened since I left for vacation. Vote on Incog remains. Had a good time, even worse 3G access than expected in the mountains.
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Post Post #437 (isolation #32) » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:16 pm

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No, I don't think I will elaborate. I talked about Incog a while back, and he's done nothing either way to sway me. I believe in sticking with early reads and not second- and third- and fourth-guessing them unless there's a compelling reason to do so.

As for lurking, I've been away a lot in the last couple of weeks, and it's just simply hard to get into games that I don't have a lot invested in.
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Post Post #442 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:35 am

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camn wrote:I think decent scum DON'T Switch targets day 2. They stay consistent day after day.

MASSIVE WIFOM ALERT.

Not to mention that this is completely false. Good scum DO ANYTHING YOU DONT EXPECT SCUM TO DO.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #34) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:13 pm

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^This is Town.

Good to see you, Thor. This game has done a really piss-poor job of keeping my attention, and you're always good for keeping me engaged.
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Post Post #450 (isolation #35) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:21 pm

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Beats the shit out of me. I'm for Incog, but no one else is.

I was about to deny it was buddying, but I suppose it is. Just glad to have someone I know if going to stir this stagnant, boring game (no offense, iPie, not your fault) up. You appearing to be Town is a pleasant perk.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:46 am

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bvoigt wrote:
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Pine wrote:No, I don't think I will elaborate. I talked about Incog a while back, and he's done nothing either way to sway me. I believe in sticking with early reads and not second- and third- and fourth-guessing them unless there's a compelling reason to do so.


All I've really seen in your ISO about Incognito is that his first couple posts were "weird," and he used the dice tags to decide who to vote. Also, what happened to your suspicions of camn?


@Pine: Is this a correct summary of your Incog suspicions? What are your current thoughts on camn?

What part of "I don't feel like explaining" confused you? I'm not actually entirely sure WHY I suspect Incog any more, as in I'm having a difficult time pinpointing it. It's a general pattern of slight, restrained scumminess, painted across all of his posts, that is getting to me. I honestly can't put my finger on it. Call it an extremely strong gut reaction or hunch, if you want.

Camn...I'm conflicted on. I'm having a difficult time reading her. My Day 1 suspicions were genuine, but I think I held onto them far too long and too stubbornly. It's clouding my judgment where she's concerned, and she ocillates between leaning Town and leaning scum around the neutral section of my scumdar. If I were a cop (spoiler! I'm not) I'd investigate her.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #37) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:47 am

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Also, I don't see the case on Trip. Can someone explain it to me?
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Post Post #464 (isolation #38) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:58 pm

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That's a pretty good summation of my feelings on Incog.
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Post Post #504 (isolation #39) » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:38 pm

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Let's go on the Incog lynch. If he flips scum as expected, I'll be looking hard at Lain. Looks like chainsawing and advocating any counter-wagon that looks like it'll move. Town protecting Town would work more on clearing Incog than just diverting votes and attention.

Long couple of days at work. Bear with me.
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Post Post #545 (isolation #40) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:19 pm

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Yes please.

Sorry for absenteeism, folks. It's been hell week at work. I'll catch up over the weekend.
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Post Post #579 (isolation #41) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:30 am

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Was about to ask for a claim out of Trip, but I ISO'd him first. Looks like I blinked and missed his claim. I find the claim plausible but unlikely. It's just too obscure, when Repo! hardly lacks for enough characters to fill a mini. Otherwise, I'm not an especially big fan of the case on Trip, but Incog clearly isn't the lynch for today, and Trip is. I'll take an informative lynch that some of my Town-reads are advocating over a no-lynch ten days out of ten.

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THIS IS INTENT TO HAMMER.

Trip, please make a final post with your outgoing reads and last words. It will be heartily ignored if you flip scum, and taken seriously if you flip Town.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:21 pm

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I have my smartphone. I'll give Trip until 10:30 EDT (30 minutes before deadline) to post, then make it happen.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #43) » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:23 am

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Just fucked up and was busy. I cannot begin to apologize for that.

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Post Post #596 (isolation #44) » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:22 am

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I did explain. It was a straight-up clusterfuck. I was expecting to have time to myself right before midnight, but I had a crying, homesick camper who was afraid of non-existent spiders in the bathroom to deal with, and missed the deadline by 10 minutes.

I was never 100% on Trip's lynch, and while I will support it if necessary, I feel Incog is the more likely choice.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #45) » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:31 pm

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What defense? I acted hastily D1, got burned, and got cautious. That's a stupid argument, but at least you're trying to find something.
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