NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins

[Ythan]

Confirm.

[Ythan]

It's discreet btw.

[Ythan]

Wait what?

[Ythan]

Vote: The Mask

Cause obviously scum cover their faces. Also first on the list!

Since we're voting in circles,

vote: Parabollocks

....... uh oes.

Unnecessary amount of explanation for RVs. Eeny, meeny, miny,

vote The Mask

[Ythan]

Hey, Swag.

You've been browsing this forum for a while now. How's it going?

-Ether

This seems like a legitimate concern to me. Why no vote?

[Ythan]

And he's saying that in a game I'm in too.

[Ythan]

You're an acquired taste Ythan.

I mean, you still skim the border of the socially acceptable frequently, but meeting you IRL helps with the appreciation of playing with you.

Lmao. This is going to be a fun game.

[Ythan]

I started that Idher wagon.

Why is this important?

[Ythan]

Slaxx is in full control of this account until we are well out of RVS. Reg hates RVS.

He needs to post something.

but ythan seems to be trying too hard

There is no argument you could make that is stupider than this one.

[Ythan]

In fact,

unvote vote Parabollocks

for odd selective voting in the context of the post he placed that vote.

Explain.

[Ythan]

I don't buy it. Either your backtracking or your new vote. Why exactly are you voting Oversoul?

[Ythan]

You got 1 from me, he's no less active than a big handful of other players, and no. Parabollocks wagon go go go.

[Ythan]

Taking RVS seriously.

It's not as if you're making any effort to get us somewhere more useful. You haven't made one valuable post all game.

then, i put my real vote onto oversoul, as he needs to be pulled out of the wood-work.

Implausible.

[Ythan]

Could you give your reasons?

both me and hiraki.

Well Hiraki I was kind of following Idher, but I realize he isn't scum, and do you really need an explanation?

What on Earth is this. You need to explain why you suspected either of these players with real reasons.

anyways, besides the point, still waiting on swag.

You're not the only one, stop trying to look productive.

[Ythan]

It's not as if you're making any effort to get us somewhere more useful. You haven't made one valuable post all game.

You realize that I was looking for reactions, no?

I'm serious now, and I have been for awhile.

If you can say I have no valuable posts, then lmao.

Making dumbass posts all day and then saying you were reaction fishing isn't exactly a new excuse.

[Ythan]

Ythan, you're starting to look like one of those black and white guys. >_>

There is absolutely no substance in this post. If you mean to make a point here then make one.

[Ythan]

I never said that thing you just quoted me as saying. I didn't say it in other words. I didn't suggest it at all. You're attacking me for, what, playing mafia? Confirm vote.

[Ythan]

I said you made a fluff post. Which you didn't fix, by the way, you just started complaining about the scrutiny.

[Ythan]

Your 1 and 2 are not logically..logical.

[Ythan]

And if I say it, will you come up with another excuse to omgus me?

[Ythan]

You are not good to have in this game. Checking possible roles to see if we have a good alternative to lynching you.

[Ythan]

1. Sways eagerness to get the game started and constant observation of the thread as shown in post #23 reads as a town-tell. Mafia would have no instant need to rush into the gamestart as they would be much more interested in discussing thoughts and tactics in the mafia QT. I don't find his L-1 vote a scum-tell purely due to his lack of experience.

2. Oversouls claimage over the ownership of the Idher wagon reads as a town-tell, I don't see scum openely taking responsibility as an Idher town-flip would put them in an awful position, similary I don't see Oversoul bussing Idher.

1. You're exaggerating his activity and framing it as townish when there is no reason to take it that way.
2. You're making assumptions that you have no reason to be making.

[Ythan]

2. Uh, no. What scum newbie comes in, RVSs someone, sees a bandwagon has formed on that player, and then totes about it. That isn't scum behavior at all.

And you think it's town behavior? Just because it would be dumb for scum doesn't mean it's town. It's null at best.

[Ythan]

You're the one who brought his newbie status into this and yet the rest of your argument falls apart when you don't sweep that under the rug.

[Ythan]

You're the one who brought his newbie status into this and yet the rest of your argument falls apart when you don't sweep that under the rug.

...No, it really doesn't.

Regardless of whether he is a newbie or not it is still a towntell. I think the fact that he is a newbie makes it more of a towntell.

I don't really know how to explain this any more plainly to you. You're wrong. If you're both wrong then fortunately you're a hydra and not two wasted votes.

[Ythan]

Ethos is speaking in ridiculous absolutes imo.

[Ythan]

For now Parabollocks can you provide links to your offsite scum-games.

Specifying only scum games invalidates what you are pretending to be doing here btw.

Ethos is speaking in ridiculous absolutes imo.

What was the point of this post?

To criticize you for using ridiculous absolutes. Selective ones, as Spyre contributed.

[Ythan]

Unvote

We lynch off of this wagon.

Hiraki was the last vote on the wagon before he made this post.

[Ythan]

I'm honestly baffled as to why people aren't reading the taking credibility for the wagon as either

1. Indicative they are both scum
2. Indicative he is town

Because your argument is dumb.

[Ythan]

a lot of unbiased posts

holy crap, i must be a terrible player.

And Parabollocks was able to respond to this and yet not to points and questions against him.

[Ythan]

1) Do you believe Oversoul would come in, vote Idher and instantly attempt to claim credit for the wagon start if they were partners together?
2) Do you believe Oversoul would come in, vote Idher and instantly attempt to claim credit for the wagon start if it were to result in a town-flip?

1 is definitely possible. 2 is not out of the question.

Our reads are not rock solid, if they were we would be yelling for everyone to unvote Para however I believe it's needed to mention them as we attain them.

This has absolutely nothing to do with your dealing in absolutes.

Spyrex, chill. Right now it is Reg Vs. Spyrex and Ythan Vs. Slaxx, though Ythan has decided to completely close the discussion off with insults, which is fine with me, I'm fucking tired of his dense ass anyway.

Lol what. I'm not doing anything like that. Flail scum flail.

[Ythan]

Scum is in Hiraki, Ethos, Parabollocks. Will vote for any of these lynches.

[Ythan]

What do you call "Your argument is dumb" if it isn't closing off discussion? It sure as fuck isn't opening discussion up.

If you can't get simple facts through your head I'm not going to waste my time pounding them in for more than a post or two.

Tell me exactly how I respond to "You argument is dumb".

Stop making dumb arguments.

Also, lol@ calling me flailing scum. Here's a protip: look at my scum games. I don't flail as scum. And I'm not flailing here either, at all. I'm sticking by this read because despite what you say its logical and it makes sense to me. If you don't like it, okay, fine, we have a difference of opinions, it happens. But I'm right and you're wrong, ftr.

Yeah no. Your self-meta and refusal to call your flailing spade a spade doesn't mean shit.

[Ythan]

That was two separate questions actually.

That's how you posted it.

Are you seriously going to be doing this all day.

[Ythan]

Ethos you're being completely fucking daft. I've been attacking you for the ridiculous way you're covering for Oversoul. I can't say whether either of them is scum at this point. The fact that you think you can raises a lot of flags.

[Ythan]

You're just going to keep doing what you're doing regardless of reality. And that's fine.

[Ythan]

Oversoul, you've yet to make a useful post.

Moving on.

[Ythan]

Well, no. Use can come from a bad post, but not in your favor. You should explain how I am wrong without resorting to "Because you're arguing with the guy who says I'm town." This is important and doing it quickly as if you're telling the truth will only help.

[Ythan]

Wait. Oversoul/Ethos. In a theoretical situation in which one of you would die but it would clear the other one, which would go first?

[Ythan]

Can you not answer a simple question, or do you just not get the term theoretical? Nevermind you put my mind at ease. Ethos is scum.

[Ythan]

Since you've clearly missed the point of my question, I was making sure you weren't masons. Since you had absolutely no idea what I was getting at I am satisfied that you are not.

[Ythan]

Your clueless reaction absolutely contradicts that understanding-claim.

[Ythan]

Being a mason was the only town excuse I could come up with for your play.

[Ythan]

The briefest of readings over our conversation reveals that excuse to be completely bullshit.

[Ythan]

Glasses to, what, show me where I'm calling you scum because we disagree on logic? Are they some kind of zany cardboard things out of the back of a comic book? Your inability to even reference the real reason you've being attacked is bad news.

[Ythan]

It's a scum qt, he claimed not-mason.

[Ythan]

There is minimal snark in this thread. Ethos's active head is just super whining about every little thing and failing to engage in any sort of real dialogue about his actions.

[Ythan]

Idk about reg but I am done arguing until we get some fresh thoughts in here.

When you don't follow through with things like this it just looks like you want an excuse to stop posting.

[Ythan]

The crux of your reasoning

Oh I see.

You can't read.

I apologize for my tone then.

[Ythan]

Some posts.

Spoiler:

1. Sways eagerness to get the game started and constant observation of the thread as shown in post #23 reads as a town-tell. Mafia would have no instant need to rush into the gamestart as they would be much more interested in discussing thoughts and tactics in the mafia QT. I don't find his L-1 vote a scum-tell purely due to his lack of experience.

2. Oversouls claimage over the ownership of the Idher wagon reads as a town-tell, I don't see scum openely taking responsibility as an Idher town-flip would put them in an awful position, similary I don't see Oversoul bussing Idher.

1. You're exaggerating his activity and framing it as townish when there is no reason to take it that way.
2. You're making assumptions that you have no reason to be making.

2. Uh, no. What scum newbie comes in, RVSs someone, sees a bandwagon has formed on that player, and then totes about it. That isn't scum behavior at all.

And you think it's town behavior? Just because it would be dumb for scum doesn't mean it's town. It's null at best.

Ethos is speaking in ridiculous absolutes imo.

For now Parabollocks can you provide links to your offsite scum-games.

Specifying only scum games invalidates what you are pretending to be doing here btw.

Ethos is speaking in ridiculous absolutes imo.

What was the point of this post?

To criticize you for using ridiculous absolutes. Selective ones, as Spyre contributed.

[Ythan]

You are literally trying to through flak at me every opportunity you get.

Fucking cry about it. I'm criticizing your actions. If you don't like it go to Neopets or something.

[Ythan]

Ythan: your post here failed to conclude anything. Finish the task please.

He hasn't posted since then.

[Ythan]

You're using selective and ridiculous absolutes. And that's one part of why I'm calling you scum.

[Ythan]

You are literally trying to through flak at me every opportunity you get.

Fucking cry about it. I'm criticizing your actions. If you don't like it go to Neopets or something.

Go fuck yourself Ythan, there was no need for this at all.

Well you won't quit trying to frame my play against your slot in whatever bullshit way you choose to as an attempt to undermine me without addressing me. So yeah fcai.

[Ythan]

Ythan: I don't care. Draw a conclusion.

I drew a conclusion and included him in my three scumreads. Did you make it that far?

[Ythan]

1. We never mentioned his activity and we've explained our reasoning behind our read on him.

Activity as in the activity you were discussing, not his posting frequency.

2. We've already discussed this and it boils down to a different opinion on logical conclusions that can be drawn or not.

No, see, you're lying. And you're framing it as something on which we can't hope to come to an agreement so you can avoid supporting it.

This is the defintion of disagreement on reasonable logic.

You're disagreeing with my reasonable logic.

[Ythan]

You're using selective and ridiculous absolutes. And that's one part of why I'm calling you scum.

They are selective to you, not me. I'm totally up for the fact that I might be wrong, but don't think I am. I use ridiculous absolutes a lot, its just what I do. Yeah, its self meta, but its what I do. You can literally look back at any of my recent games and see that I have adapted a new strategy of committing to town reads and lynching based on PoE in the non-town read pool. It happened in nightless. From my point of view, it looks like you are calling me scum because I am wrong. And I realize that some of those tells were stretches but they were literally from pregame to our current page we were on before this started. So yeah, some of the tells would be stretches at first. Its the beginning of the game, so its to be expected. What specifically is scummy about the selective absolutes? Where specifically are we being selective?

-Slaxx

No, they're selective. You picked one specific player to apply one very specific opinion to to the exclusion of all the intelligent things you could have contributed.

[Ythan]

Ythan: I don't care. Draw a conclusion.

I drew a conclusion and included him in my three scumreads. Did you make it that far?

Why did you not post this in your original reply?

ninja'd
Ethos: will do

...

Because it's

obvious

? He placed the latest vote on a wagon then backed off it with the explanation that it was moving too fast for his liking. How many interpretations of that can you make. It was clearly a criticism and I'm awaiting his response.

[Ythan]

God Ythan give me specifics. Quote me, tell me why you believe the thought process is incorrect.

-Slaxx

Yeah I JUST quoted like four posts I had made at you from before this all blew up. It is inconceivable that you have this much trouble keeping up. You're obfuscating, and that's giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[Ythan]

I'm not playing the "repeat the same shit over and over to stubborn scum" game. Lynches don't require unanimity. They require a majority. I don't need to convince you to self-vote to get rid of you. Everyone else can read your posts.

[Ythan]

They're doing an excellent job at eliciting emotional responses from each other and I see no reason for town players to do that

Town doesn't know town is town.

First you said you couldn't answer because he hasn't posted since then

now you say it's obvious?

I never said I couldn't answer it. You asked me to do something with my question and I said he hadn't been on. You asked for how it related to my read and I told you, as if it wasn't plain enough to begin with.

[Ythan]

disproved them

This is THE worst kind of misinformed egotistical play. Please don't come back and post more this time.

[Ythan]

If not for cart-before-horse paranoia I'd leap from the rafters buttt Ythan what do you think of para-ethos?

I haven't looked at relationships like that yet. I can though.

[Ythan]

I have scumreads on both of them. Para has not mentioned Ethos. Ethos has discussed Para as far as calling a town read I don't really buy.

[Ythan]

Had he been a mason it would have excused some part of his suspicious play. I did not reveal the purpose of my questioning, or that it related to masons in any capacity, until he made it completely obvious that he had no idea what I was getting at.

You just used 126 as support for Para being town? Because he asked for reasons why he was being suspected? That is a huge stretch to chalk something up in his favor.

[Ythan]

@Ythan: whaaatever this is clearly something we're going to disagree about for all eternity

@Regfan: explain how you've deduced The Mask mafia

Let me rephrase:
Ythan, you're town, right? Why do you post stuff like

You are literally trying to through flak at me every opportunity you get.

Fucking cry about it. I'm criticizing your actions. If you don't like it go to Neopets or something.

and

The crux of your reasoning

Oh I see.

You can't read.

I apologize for my tone then.

?


SpyreX I do not understand that post rephrase please

Why am I not being nice as town? Is that what you're asking?

[Ythan]

Hiraki is the scummy player least connected to other scummy players. Not ideal for d1.

[Ythan]

Have you met me? Players who approach the game with that kind of attitude have elicited this response from me in every alignment you can imagine. Once the let-me-complain-about-everything-instead-of-defending-my-play slot who happens to also be scum is gone I'll be much nicer.

[Ythan]

Does Ethos have any reads to which he is willing to actually commit, because I keep seeing them qualify their reads.

[Ythan]

You need to quit taking every single thing as an insult. I'm asking you to commit to something. And yet you just use that as another excuse to bitch and moan and avoid the question.

[Ythan]

Ythan, I haven't taken it as an insult nor have I attempted to bitch and moan about your play

Then your partner at least has an excuse for not answering questions.

[Ythan]

It is not unreasonable for a v/la player to make a post or two.

[Ythan]

What, Ethos making an unreasonable leap?

[Ythan]

Amrum, in Speed Mafia, and oh jesus christ I thought skeet just meant to slide by but I just looked it up, I'm going to find myself the nearest cliff and jump.

SpyreX, again, I've said this the similarities between Spare Me Mafia and this game read as strong.

Ythan, can you rephrase or explain Post #295, I'm having difficulty understanding it.

Regfan.

If your partner is freaking out then at least he has a good excuse.

[Ythan]

Your slot has been dodging a lot of posts in favor of playing the victim.

[Ythan]

No, see. You act like you've "proved" something or other in the responses you make. You do a fine job of clicking the reply button but you do a very poor job of actually resolving anything.

This is not new.

It's been going on while you have been posting so you must know.

[Ythan]

Those were the early basis of my case against you. Your shifty play in I would say more than 50% of your posts since then and your overflowing generosity with minor scum points have not helped.

[Ythan]

You incurable fool. I'm doing my best not to play the beat scum over the head with their own goddamn shortcomings game. You can be lynched without your own participation. Your errors are plain to see with half a brain.

[Ythan]

In the morning or afternoon when I'm not swamped I'll swift through your iso for you. So I can hammer into that thick skull of yours not only that there more than you address but that you do a poor job of holding up what you offer against those points you do address.

You just say NOPE PROVED IT LOL.

[Ythan]

last time I pointed out all the flaws in your arguments

The absolute shittiest type of player on this site is the one who can't grasp the fact that simply providing answers to points is distinct, by an incredible distance, from proving anything, and often from even providing a satisfactory excuse for bad play.

Do you want to be that guy?

[Ythan]

Um.

I checked the possible role list for crybaby.

Ethos is fakeclaiming.

[Ythan]

Having a pretty rough, stressful night outside of this game.

Although I still think Ethos is doing everything I say they are doing.

[Ythan]

Okay, I'm left with just one single question I'd like answered. What the heck did all that accomplish? Because I don't think it accomplished anything but the negatives I noted above.

It's pretty easy to tell what the purpose of a conversation is by reading it and it's pretty easy to figure out that not every exchange in a game is intended to accomplish a specific goal.

[Ythan]

Hopefully you come back tommorow with a fresh set of eyes and an open mind because this is getting ridiculous.

Did you not read the second part? You're still flailing scum.

Btw it looks like town is noticing too so

unvote vote Ethos

While ythan really stills reminds me of a player i used to play with who constantly try his hardest scumhunt but just didn't pull it off really well, he is also dense.

This lacks any attempt to dispute any of my reads. But I think you're scum so this doesn't surprise me.

Like i said, Ythan takes conclusions and doesn't take a hard look at things on the surface, while ethos (as i've seen) does, Ythan disagreed with how ethos looked at my #36, make a giant shit-storm, etc.

Be specific unless you're just trying to undermine my reads.

tunnel

You have opened a can of worms you are going to regret opening. Do you know what tunnel means? Do you have any desire to explain how that applies to my reads against you and two other players? Are you just throwing out buzzwords?

I like that Hiraki started contributing in a big way. I'll go back to mull over the specifics more carefully when I'm done just catching up.

unvote; vote: swag

... I dunno, I still think there's something behind him lurking when the game started. Haven't read the 11 pages I missed but I see 6 votes on Para so lol, no.

This does not bode well for you.

Starting to get into lots of walls. Going to just steamroll through and read individual players in iso later.

The fact that he's not just replacing out of this game but is also doing so in [Redacted] should be a sign that his recent actions are more likely extremely frustrated town rather than flailing scum.

Lol obvious scumbuddies.

[Ythan]

Yosarian2 replaces Parabollocks.

Aw man.

You're using selective and ridiculous absolutes. And that's one part of why I'm calling you scum.

Ythan, can you explain why that’s a scumtell?

Is this a serious question? Cherrypicking ridiculous baseis for reads.

[Ythan]

Well part of the way through my read it looked like the Ethos wagon might be gaining ground on his buddy's but I guess Para really picked up the slack.

unvote vote Yosarian2

[Ythan]

Is this a serious question? Cherrypicking ridiculous baseis for reads.

I don't think his comment about oversoul was a ridiculous basis for a read at all. If someone makes a big deal about how they started a wagon, it probably means that they want to take credit for it and think it's a good wagon. That's really just common sense, Ythan, and it's kind of bizzare the way you've spun it up into a huge case.

Well part of the way through my read it looked like the Ethos wagon might be gaining ground on his buddy's but I guess Para really picked up the slack.

unvote vote Yosarian2

Ok, so why are you voting me? The guy I replaced was an idiot, but he wasn't scum.

Go figure, you're attacking my attack on you. And calling your predecessor an idiot isn't going to accomplish anything. We all know he was an idiot. You're still scum.

[Ythan]

It looks like it's 5/4 Para/Ethos now. Can we just pick one. They're both scum.

[Ythan]

Now, if you actually want to say what it is that Para did that you think is more likely to come from scum then from dumbass town, then feel free to say so.

If you were being sincere I expect you would read my iso.

[Ythan]

I'm looking and I don't see it.

[Ythan]

I'm not creating a false dilemma. I'm specifying my own two obvscum reads. They happen to both be powerful wagons, which is another thing I haven't noticed in Quil. I'll take a look though.

[Ythan]

Did you not read further than that?

[Ythan]

There goes Quilford.

[Ythan]

Did you not read further than that?

Is there a reason you're making me play guessing games, and are so reluctant to actually explain the reason for your vote?

If you have an actual case on me, make it. If you don't, go find scum.

I have been poking holes in his play. This is clear. You replaced into a horrible slot and are doing the best you can with a bad situation.

[Ythan]

No see it's because Yos came into an unfortunate player slot and is now continuing his predecessor's attempts to take the heat off of his scumbuddy through what meager means he has left given his own precarious position. It is sad to see Yos only enter this game in an already doomed slot.

[Ythan]

I don't see what about my attack you consider overblown. If you could actually pick something out then you wouldn't be having this problem.

[Ythan]

I also think that Ythan has more information than just reads...

This is a weird thing to say considering we know all the roles that can appear in this game.

[Ythan]

I also think that Ythan has more information than just reads...

This is a weird thing to say considering we know all the roles that can appear in this game.

Ya, but we don't know who has what, Benedict.

Except none of the roles present in the game could inform my suspicion, genius.

[Ythan]

It's 4-4 but if I do this

unvote vote ethos

then ethos has five!

[Ythan]

The replacements in this game!

[Ythan]

I also think that Ythan has more information than just reads...

This is a weird thing to say considering we know all the roles that can appear in this game.

Ya, but we don't know who has what, Benedict.

Except none of the roles present in the game could inform my suspicion, genius.

You sure?

Not all roles need day/night actions to give information.

Should I forgive your density/noobishness/stupidity here too?

[Ythan]

You were trying to get at something but it comes off as you haven't read the roles.

[Ythan]

You were trying to get at something but it comes off as you haven't read the roles.

Not necessarily.

Empking is Empkinging.

I don't know if this a veiled attempt at mocking me, but I am going to assume it isn't.

Ythan, I am getting at something and I have read the roles (although rather poorly as Reckoner can attest for ). I would rather not share until after the first night to see if any certain situations change.

You know there was no n0 yes?

[Ythan]

Oversoul may be scum or he may not be scum. He's not priority.

[Ythan]

You were trying to get at something but it comes off as you haven't read the roles.

Not necessarily.

Empking is Empkinging.

I don't know if this a veiled attempt at mocking me, but I am going to assume it isn't.

Ythan, I am getting at something and I have read the roles (although rather poorly as Reckoner can attest for ). I would rather not share until after the first night to see if any certain situations change.

You know there was no n0 yes?

Yes...

Do you think I think you are a bookie?

In order for me to have any role information that would inform a suspicion on d1 there would have to be a n0. You're full of shit.

[Ythan]

So the way you choose to say you suspect me

is by saying you think I'm bussing

let me check your stated suspicion of my suspects.

[Ythan]

Oversoul indicates that I am bussing and yet has expressed no suspicion that I see in a cursory iso read against my suspects.

[Ythan]

If you think I'm bussing then you think they're scum. And you are not paying attention, Yos already corrected you on how the bookie works.

[Ythan]

Address, please, my point that you are accusing me of bussing players you seem to be, if not defending, not suspecting.

[Ythan]

He's saying I'm bussing them to gain town cred. Which means he believes they're scum. Which means he's not being honest.

[Ythan]

I never liked how Ythan immediately latched on to the aspect that Ethos/Para was scum. Although he has convinced me I just found it really strange he could read both of them with such a large amount of ease.

Also, T Booker, you will find that I am incredibly inconsistent. In almost everything I do in real life I am inconsistent. I don't know what it is. I have these little epiphanies (or so I think ).

I DON'T THINK YTHAN IS BOOKIE!!!

Three down.

[Ythan]

And if you do decide to lynch me you are only giving the Mafia a by for that day.

AtE

He's saying I'm bussing them to gain town cred. Which means he believes they're scum. Which means he's not being honest.

I am being honest. I don't know what to think of Ethos and Para anymore. I used to think both of them were townie, but after what has happened I am not so sure.

Now you guys are making me doubt myself and my thoughts on Ythan.

This contradicts your accusation against me at the most basic level.

Also lol partial mason claim. Especially considering earlier.

[Ythan]

So you claim to be a mason

which makes you think there are other strong PRs

so you don't want to claim your buddies

No part of that progression makes sense.

[Ythan]

Learn to read, I believe there are FEW strong power roles.

I read that as "a few". That's one point against you we can erase. Half of a point actually. Good job.

[Ythan]

Ok. What the hell is AtE? Too many acronyms to memorize.

Honestly guys, it isn't like Ethos threw a parabola at us. We can work with the information (or misinformation if you so choose to believe) he has given us. (well, that is my guess at least)

Ythan, this was my thought process. Ethos and Para are townie. You jumped in and said one of them had to definitely be scum for their actions. Making me change my mind and feel uncertain. Then you continued to pile drive the fact that they were the best wagon which made me uncertain about you. I felt that Para was more townie than Ethos based on your posts and the posts of a couple of others and that is when I got the idea that you were the traitor and knew that Ethos was scum and had decided to push him in order to solidify your base as a townie.

I am definitely feeling uncertain about my thoughts now, though.

AtE is appeal to emotion which is what you do when you're flailing.

What the fuck does a parabola have to do with this.

You say you can work with the information but you don't say anything concrete.

You're backpedaling from your stated reason for suspecting me. This is because you are lying.

[Ythan]

You are claiming that you breadcrumbed

asking me to out myself

as a scum role.

And here let me look up and show you the not-mason claim. You assuming that buddying must confirm the mason claim is ridiculous.

And you're claiming that you couldn't be lying because you're a vt.

And I'm saying you're backpedaling because the basis of your accusation was that I was bussing scum.

[Ythan]

Okay, so I'm not a mason then. lololol

[Ythan]

Do you not know how to use a phpBB forum?

[Ythan]

I attempted to determine if your scumbuddying may have had the one possible town explanation. Fortunately you've given us plenty more rope before and since then.

[Ythan]

I asked him to convey to me if he were a mason, ie if there were some valid reason for his buddying. Asking me to scumclaim is different and retarded. There is no intelligent reason that you would have done that sincerely.

If you did have some valid reason (?) to be backpedaling it might be a bit easier to take it in stride.

Iso the player in question and ctrl+f.

[Ythan]

I just want to clarify. The majority of my current suspicion of you is based on the fact that you accused me of bussing without expressing any suspicion of the scum I was attacking. If you thought I was a traitor bussing scum you must have thought they were scum. Which you do not seem to have thought.

[Ythan]

I'm not sure that's all plausible but I will sift through it later.

[Ythan]

Agree with Untrod on T-Boner.

This does nothing for Spyrex and Ythan town reads though, more or less making my gut of town on town tearing itself apart look better in my eyes.

Invalid opinion.

I felt if I gave him my role pm it would prove to him that I am town.

I can't imagine any reason a player would think this.

[Ythan]

Ethos claims Mason and four people are still voting for him? Why?

People discuss content int hread and T-Bone ignores it. Why?

[Ythan]

Noise meaning opinions differing from yours, Idher?

[Ythan]

lol!

[Ythan]

Oh wow you're tying yourself to T-Bone on top of it?

[Ythan]

Which head are you and is the other aware of how stupid he makes you look when he signs both names?

[Ythan]

You playing poorly is a sign of stupidity on my part.

[Ythan]

Don't talk shit if you're just going to bitch your way out of it. And don't play shit if you're going to stay.

[Ythan]

This is not relevant outside the game. Pretty sure I like both of you. You're still scum here though.

[Ythan]

I think you're losing track of time.

[Ythan]

By the way, Ethos actually being a mason gives Ythan huge scum points for the earlier mason fishing.

Because you keep ignoring why I did it because you have to at this point.

Let's lynch Ythan now please. I've never seen someone such obvscum as I've seen him these last few pages.

Omgus doesn't suit you. You're not going on anything more than being pissed because I talk shit.

If Ythan was town and saw a mason tell, the pro-town thing to do would be to drop the whole subject and look at someone else.

Then it's scummy if I saw a mason tell. Other than blindly defending a scummy player. Which is a team tell. Which is usually a scum tell.

[Ythan]

We can still lynch Yos, right?

unvote vote Yos

[Ythan]

Your iso.

ctrl+f Ythan

Lol you're rage-tunneling.

[Ythan]

So, now that I'm voting you, are you going to stop blowing me off and start answering some questions, or do we have to put you at lynch -1 before you'll start doing that?

I'm blowing you off because you're bullshitting and have been since your first post. But I understand and am not forming a judgment of you as a player based on this game because you replaced into a terrible slot. <3

[Ythan]

Never said they were masons or scum.

One of the two scummiest players defending the other is a scum tell.

[Ythan]

Pretty much just qq and pay attention to the slot next time you offer to replace into a game next time.

[Ythan]

A post.

[Ythan]

This is an old one, switched back to it.

[Ythan]

I'm gonna duck out. Heavy workload and I only intended to be playing a single newbie at this time. But hey you replaced out of my game too.