Open 304 - Hard Boiled, Game Over. Was DY's Dystopia saved?

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: HellloooNewman

[DemonHybrid]

So, who else is town? Raise your hand!!

*raises hand*

vote - DemonHybrid

OMGUSROFLOLSOB!!!!!!!

You're okay people.

Unvote, Vote: Chesskid3

Chesskid wagon go

[DemonHybrid]

You're still mad about donner party aren't you >_>

I'm mad about your avatar. Poor bulbasaur can only hold so much weight.

[DemonHybrid]

unvote
vote: nameloc

The softclaim or whatever you want to call it is completely null and pushing it seems forced.

Except RedCoyote was the one who brought it up and voted Chesskid.

Unvote, Vote: Scott Brosius

Chesskid is fine.

[DemonHybrid]

But I think you're scum so

it doesn't matter.

He's not pushing chesskid due to his vig/track business. He's pushing him because he thinks he's generally scummy.

[DemonHybrid]

You're ignoring the possiblity that I'm the vig and lying on purpose, or do you really just not believe in reverse psychology?

Yeah, I really had hoped that no one had to mention this.

RC, Chesskid is town. Come onto the SB wagon with me. You too, CK.

[DemonHybrid]

You're ignoring the possiblity that I'm the vig and lying on purpose, or do you really just not believe in reverse psychology?

Yeah, I really had hoped that no one had to mention this.

RC, Chesskid is town. Come onto the SB wagon with me. You too, CK.

I'm already on the SB wagon, son

You aint voting.

[DemonHybrid]

welp, I joined this game to be the tracker/vig and choose vig and be batman

didn't happen, fml.

Going to be disinterested

because this setup is lame other than vig >_>

vote: scum brosious

Wait, then the mod is missing CK's vote on the votecount.

[DemonHybrid]

Note: Improperly formatted votes were ignored, also rule 5 was updated to reflect that using the provided vote tags count as a legal vote.

I think he's talking about you, CK. Revote with his real name.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote chesskid3

You trolled part of the Superhero mafia, lulz.

So, who else is town? Raise your hand!!

*raises hand*

vote - DemonHybrid

OMGUSROFLOLSOB!!!!!!!

You're okay people.

Unvote, Vote: Chesskid3

Chesskid wagon go

I am disturbed by the lack of hand raising.

Hand raising? What do you mean by that?

Then vote him.

Anxious much? We have a

bit

of time before the DL. I think I'll vote when I'm good and ready. K, thanx.

Well do you have any suspects atm?

Deity is so obviously scum. Those questions are so transparent and useless.

[DemonHybrid]

So, it's Scott Brosius, DeityKabuto and who?

Not RC, Chesskid, don_johnson, Newman or Nameloc. The other 4 need to post more.

[DemonHybrid]

3, sorry. I didn't disclude myself when counting the rest of the playerlist.

[DemonHybrid]

If Deity is scum, so is toffee.

Unvote, Vote: DeityKabuto

Actually, they are not, if you read his posts, they don't sound all that serious, but he is stern and forceful with his words. I really want to know what he's thinking right now, but why are you trying to defend him?

I didn't say a word about who you're questioning or defending who you're questioning in regards to your questioning of him. I instead said that your questioning itself is transparent and scummy.

Never mind, forget Scott Brosius. This guy is so non-genuine, it hurts. He doesn't even have a scumread yet, so can we lynch him, please?

[DemonHybrid]

And no, "chesskid cuz of meta" doesn't count as a scum read.

[DemonHybrid]

If Deity is scum, so is toffee.

How, please?

I happened read a game with Deity as player, I think this is just his style.

"It's his style."

Um....











no. That's a red herring and that's also as transparent as polished glass. Never blame something legitimately scummy like that on "I think it's his playstyle".

[DemonHybrid]

CK, get off of nameloc and get onto Deity. nameloc is a townie who can't explain himself that well. Start looking at motivations and weird play, not obviously mistaken play.

[DemonHybrid]

@Deity:



no.

We've been waiting 3 1/2 pages for you to make clear concise reads based on evidence, by the way.

[DemonHybrid]

That is what usually happens in some games, but how I want it is, lynching people once we've gotten "strong" evidence.

And that's why you're scummy. You can't get strong evidence unless you immerse yourself into the weak evidence to build cases.

[DemonHybrid]

Jeez, this is already turning into a Jets vs. Sharks type of deal. A nice even split of people who believe completely different things.

Does anyone else other than CK, Newman and I find Deity's line of questioning and desire for strong evidence before he lays down a single read scummy? Then come to the Sharks, homie.

[DemonHybrid]

Jeez, this is already turning into a Jets vs. Sharks type of deal. A nice even split of people who believe completely different things.

Does anyone else other than CK, Newman and I find Deity's line of questioning and desire for strong evidence before he lays down a single read scummy? Then come to the Sharks, homie.

It's called playing fair, the right way. You guys need to be more proper like me.

No, it's called being lazy and creating a mirage of scumhunting when you aren't doing any at all.

[DemonHybrid]

Jeez, this is already turning into a Jets vs. Sharks type of deal. A nice even split of people who believe completely different things.

Does anyone else other than CK, Newman and I find Deity's line of questioning and desire for strong evidence before he lays down a single read scummy? Then come to the Sharks, homie.

It's called playing fair, the right way. You guys need to be more proper like me.

No, it's called being lazy and creating a mirage of scumhunting when you aren't doing any at all.

Right now this conversation is really biased

Biased? I presented a case against you. Your questioning is transparent and weak, and it's obvious you put up a veil of fake scumhunting in order to stay in the background and not have to do any work.

You are not

scum hunting

, you are just

questioning my odd behaviors

[DemonHybrid]

So I don't like Diety's posting, but I REALLY don't like how Demon is attacking it.

What?

You have a bunch of lines of "I don't like this." "It feels wrong." "This is a thinly veiled *thing that I clearly explained I was doing*."

You know, not once have you explained WHY you don't like the reasoning.

That post (and it's your first...whew) is ALL kinds of scummy and I'm willing to erase SB from my scumreads to put you on there.

I mean:

I don't like this line of reasoning. And I don't like your line of posts DemonHybrid.

Why?

Don't like the Chesskid vote then recant.

Why? It was a valid RVS vote.

Don't like the DeityKabuto case for asking questions to get scumhunting going.

You didn't even read my case. I'm voting him because he's doing no scumhunting. He's asking worthless questions in an attempt to look like he's scumhunting, and either you're his scumpartner or you bought it.

This is a thinly veiled request for scumreads... just like Deity did.

I don't care whether or not Kabuto has scumreads. It's clear that his reasoning for his questions and his delay to wait for more information is bullshit, so I'm not interested in his reads because I feel they won't be genuine. He missed his chance ever since his first post.

This feels... wrong. Don't like it, but it's mostly gut.

Gut.

Reading through Diety in ISO, I don't like his meta case, but he is not pushing it hard, and only early. I do think his "odd behavior" comment is legit, he's trying to pull his own meta in, which while annoying (I hate meta), I don't find it as scummy as Demon does....

Back and forth, back and forth back and forth but wait, Demon is scummy for trying to make sense of it. Yeah.

You've explained nothing except a possible "you're being a hypocrite by asking for scumreads" which is wrong and is something I wasn't even doing in the first place.

[DemonHybrid]

Speaking of dog pictures, I will use dog pictures to explain my scumreads. I feel that's the post potent way to get my message across.

DeityKabuto:



toffee:



Surye:



These speak a thousand words, I feel.

[DemonHybrid]

That's a bit too strict, in my opinion. If it's obvious, let the vote count. If someone votes for "SB", it'd be understandable that they could either mean smashbro or Scott Brosius, but "Scum Brosius" isn't allowed? That just interrupts the flow of the game.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

Vote: Surye

Let's see your reasoning, though most likely I'll agree with it. I'd just like more people convinced of a Surye or Deity lynch over a nameloc lynch, because this is an awful and absolutely shit wagon.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Surye

Straw man. Chesskid's made his motivations very clear. He felt like the reasoning was implied, but that's no reason to counter-argument.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Surye

Straw man. Chesskid's made his motivations very clear. He felt like the reasoning was implied, but that's no reason to counter-argument.

Explaining why I don't like something is not strawman. I have to explain my perspective on it in order to convey my opinion on it.

You're attacking something which is an altered point in order to weaken his argument. The fact that he didn't write an implied reason for his vote doesn't make his vote worthless.

[DemonHybrid]

-smashbro_of_the_SSS, I am keeping my vote on nameloc, I am getting a really scummy vibe from him, which I will explain why later. Chesskid... Hmm... he is really playing in an "unexplainable" fashion right now. You can't really get anything out of his posts, or his intention. He's a hard case.

You look worse sitting on the fence about chess, too. This is very obviously town chesskid.

[DemonHybrid]

A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]

As an example...

Jill: "We should clean out the closets. They are getting a bit messy."
Bill: "Why, we just went through those closets last year. Do we have to clean them out everyday?"

What happened here:

Chess: Surye, you wanted to join the bandwagon but you're worried you'll look like scum for it.
Surye: Well, you didn't explain it until someone prompted it, so therefore the argument has no merit.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: DeityKabuto

"You didn't answer the questions people find me scummy for!"

/facepalm

[DemonHybrid]

Um...toffee?

I happened read a game with Deity as player, I think this is just his style.
Furthermore, from the start of the game, I don't think Newman has contribute much about the occurring cases. Let's see... proposing a DH wagon..unvoting..saying his concern about possible future lurking, avoid voting his suspicion (does he have any I wonder...), and... errr... I think that's it! Can't really see his interest in hunting scum, which makes him added to my suspicion list after Coyote.
In conclusion, I don't think Deity's curiosity as scummy.

[DemonHybrid]

You realize that what you just did fits the bill of one scumbuddy having enough of the other and bussing him while avoiding placing suspicion on him at the same time?

[DemonHybrid]

...

[DemonHybrid]

So, does anyone want to lynch toffee for being the common denominator?

[DemonHybrid]

Newman I don't like how you are voting me based on your own bias of an "activity post" bullshit.

You know, we're talking about toffee now. I know you'd like to take the attention away from her, but no.

Unvote, Vote: toffee

[DemonHybrid]

Actually, I'd rather a toffee flip since toffee voted Surye and has weird connections to DK, but I'm okay with a lynch on any of the three. One flip would solidify a lot of things for the other two, so go ahead and pick.

[DemonHybrid]

toffee, you're making this extremely obvious.

[DemonHybrid]

Do you just not care about our cases on

you

? Do you realize that all of us are calling you, Surye and DK buddies?

[DemonHybrid]

LOL, what?!?!

[DemonHybrid]

So, we run up toffee to L-3 and DEITY claims?

That's hilarious.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm like, 95% certain that Deity is on a team with toffee and had a "we're a team" mentality derp moment. toffee's lynch will tell us more about Surye, though.

[DemonHybrid]

I am not fine with Empking dying. I don't really care whether he lives or dies in general, but it is one of the least informative lynches proposed today.

I'm guessing this is the wrong game.

[DemonHybrid]

Here, let me speed things up:

toffee, what do you think of Deity's claim?

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: DeityKabuto

for calling toffee an innocent townie. This could mean super buddying or we are wrong about toffee. Either way, we're right about DK.

[DemonHybrid]

Unless someone switched a letter or mistyped a number

[DemonHybrid]

Seriously, that rule needs to die. It's frustrating, because it's creating non-truthful wagons in votecounts.

Mod: Can you please be more lenient with accepting votes for the aforementioned reason?

[DemonHybrid]

except that rules you out as both hider and vig

good job son

Good job trying to direct the vig.

Also, wow, you completely avoided the point.

[DemonHybrid]

Yet YOU are the one continuing to post.

[DemonHybrid]

Point: If you are scum, then lol.

If you are town, you better be doing all you can to help the rest of us out. Sitting there moping isn't doing anything to help.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

He's very unmotivated and lazy. But he did give off a few town tells. Just remind me never to be in another game with him if he does turn up town, because up until that exchange with Newman, he was awful.

[DemonHybrid]

Sweet.

I agree on the swinginess, but I've seen a lot worse. Games lost in one night. The worst case scenario is a bit iffy, but eh.

Town MVPs are Amrun and Scott. Scum MVP is Newman, who really had me fooled.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm responsible for my death by not reading Amrun properly after DK's flip. Amrun is responsible for Surye's, but turned it around with Newman's.

[DemonHybrid]

If Amrun didn't choose vig, you would have lived and confirmed her as town.

She also wouldn't have been around to shoot Newman. She wasn't counterclaimed and was confirmed town anyway. I hid with the intention of dying and Amrun was a scumread.