Fall of the Matrix: Game Over!

mozamis · Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:22 am

/comfirm.

mozamis · Post Post #33 (isolation #1) » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:59 am

WOOHOO PREGAME!

mozamis · Post Post #55 (isolation #2) » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:11 pm

Amrun wrote:My point is that a speedlynch on vezok is going to give uss ZERO information for going into day 2. It literally wastes an entire day.

That seems the key point. Day one has to be spent looking for scum, surely, rather lynching someone on a PREGAME comment?

mozamis · Post Post #61 (isolation #3) » Sun May 01, 2011 2:18 am

this is all nonsense.

mozamis · Post Post #70 (isolation #4) » Sun May 01, 2011 7:20 am

@ Hezlucky and the other person: fair enough, I should have explained. I meant that all that stuff about lynching that guy who claimed VT is nonsense. Molehills,mountains etc.

vote mr budy lee

-just to say hi buddy

mozamis · Post Post #71 (isolation #5) » Sun May 01, 2011 7:21 am

Kison! sorry.

mozamis · Post Post #72 (isolation #6) » Sun May 01, 2011 7:22 am

Yosarian, we don't know Voz is a VT. He just claimed that. So we dont have ANY info on him.

mozamis · Post Post #75 (isolation #7) » Sun May 01, 2011 7:45 am

Not with you. Why do we assume that because he has claimed VT, he is either VT or scum. How do we know he is not a cop, serial killer, vig etc etc etc
How do you know there arent any other options?

mozamis · Post Post #83 (isolation #8) » Sun May 01, 2011 10:03 am

SensFan wrote:
mozamis wrote:Not with you. Why do we assume that because he has claimed VT, he is either VT or scum. How do we know he is not a cop, serial killer, vig etc etc etc
How do you know there arent any other options?

If he's a Cop, then he's not a Townie. Therefore he's lying. But Town doesn't lie. Therefore, he's not a Cop.
If he's a Serial Killer, then he's not Town. Therefore, he's not Town.
If he's a Vig, then he's not a Townie. Therefore, he's lying. But Town doesn't lie. Therefore, he's not a Vig.
By induction, my thesis holds that he's either a Townie or he's not Town.

I just meant he could be town but a PR. (A cop is a townie etc) Though I grant you, I can't see why he would lie about it.
My point really was that I just think we should be entirely neutral about his claim. I do see what you mean. I just think we should ignore it really.
ps induction is inference from experience -you meant a priori reasoning

mozamis · Post Post #103 (isolation #9) » Sun May 01, 2011 10:21 pm

Agar looking town to me.

mozamis · Post Post #135 (isolation #10) » Mon May 02, 2011 8:29 am

@Mod -Mr BuddyLee isn't voting for me, I'm voting for him

mozamis · Post Post #160 (isolation #11) » Mon May 02, 2011 1:22 pm

Internet Stranger wrote:Oh right. Vezo happens to mention the standard boilerplate town victory condition in a theme game and now he is scum incarnate. You all cant keep calling him stupid but then vote for him over some dastardly scumslip. If he is as stupid as you all say, then he clearly didnt bother reading the first post or his PM thoroughly.

If he is scum, lynch him because he is scum, not because he is an idiot. Im inclined to believe him for now because he wont last to the end of the game anyways. Despite that, I would still be ok with getting rid of him, but I like my suggestions (Surye and Kison) better.

Think everyone should look at this carefully. Seems a totally accurate analysis.
Maybe the guy is not the best player.Maybe he is scum. Maybe he was just having a laugh. But we can't lynch him on: 1)Claiming VT early
2)Not posting his role PM properly.
And if you'll forgive a bit of WIFOM, I find it hard to believe that scum wouldn't check page one for the VT role pm.

And like Internet stranger,Agar and Amrun have already said,I'm much more suspicious of those on his wagon.

mozamis · Post Post #162 (isolation #12) » Mon May 02, 2011 1:25 pm

@ Amrun yeah he got it wrong but that means he is scum? seems pretty weak. incometent or lazy town seems more likely.

mozamis · Post Post #163 (isolation #13) » Mon May 02, 2011 1:26 pm

incompetent, sorry. Oh the irony...

mozamis · Post Post #166 (isolation #14) » Mon May 02, 2011 1:28 pm

LlamaFluff wrote:I dont buy that Vezok-scum realized that VT has no name and no role attached to it, but missed that they have an anti-machine win condition.

unvote
Vote Toon Fighter

I am going to be a little distant these next few days as I have finals tomorrow and wednesday then I am moving thursday.

Confused by this. You think Vezok is scum, but voting Toon Fighter?

mozamis · Post Post #168 (isolation #15) » Mon May 02, 2011 1:30 pm

ah, hang on I gotch ya. You mean "vezok-scum" as in other people think he is scum. Sorry.

mozamis · Post Post #171 (isolation #16) » Mon May 02, 2011 1:51 pm

LlamaFluff wrote:
mozamis wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote:I dont buy that Vezok-scum realized that VT has no name and no role attached to it, but missed that they have an anti-machine win condition.

unvote
Vote Toon Fighter

I am going to be a little distant these next few days as I have finals tomorrow and wednesday then I am moving thursday.

Confused by this. You think Vezok is scum, but voting Toon Fighter?

No, I think vezok is town. I am showing that vezok-scum would have had to read the sample role, notice that there was no name of character, no physical role attached to the role, and then missed that the win condition was different. Which is why I dont buy that it happened, and given a few recent posts from DN, I think he might be playing his normal borderline town-VI play.

Yes I understood after amruns post what you meant. I agree with you. He's gotta be very bad scum to mess that up.

mozamis · Post Post #174 (isolation #17) » Mon May 02, 2011 2:06 pm

I meant, we can't sensibly lynch him for that...

mozamis · Post Post #277 (isolation #18) » Wed May 04, 2011 8:48 am

Amrun wrote:I'm honestly kind of tired of the theory discussion. I agree with the round of prods. Want more content rather than theory. Differing theories are null tells and a waste of time.

quote for truth.

mozamis · Post Post #278 (isolation #19) » Wed May 04, 2011 8:53 am

Porochaz wrote:Im not saying your scum. Im saying your bad for town.

If the guy isn't scum, we dont lynch him.
I totally disagree with all that "bad for town"stuff -its normally just a way of saying " I don't like this person". I do not care if he is the worst or best player in the world, if we don't think he is scum, we don't lynch him.

mozamis · Post Post #287 (isolation #20) » Wed May 04, 2011 10:36 am

vez wagon is looking like cyber bullying.

mozamis · Post Post #295 (isolation #21) » Wed May 04, 2011 12:09 pm

Porochaz wrote:
mozamis wrote:vez wagon is looking like cyber bullying.

Then you should really learn to read.

Whoah, easy. No need to be personal. I just think these attacks on Vez seem a bit too aggressive, rather than rationally trying to figure out if the guy is scum or not. There seems to be a lot of " I don't like him, lynch him". That can't be the best way forward.

mozamis · Post Post #296 (isolation #22) » Wed May 04, 2011 12:12 pm

@Sensfan -see my above post. I just dont think hurling insults at the guy is productive.

mozamis · Post Post #311 (isolation #23) » Thu May 05, 2011 1:08 am

@ mod

how can BuddyLee be voting for me when he has only posted once, "/confirm"?

and @toon fighter Fair point I need to sit down and properly think about the game. So far I have mainly been sidetracked by the Vez claim/argument. Whether the vez wagon was scum initiated or not I'm not sure. My decision on that will probably determine my first proper vote.

mozamis · Post Post #352 (isolation #24) » Thu May 05, 2011 10:52 pm

@Surye -there is no Vez "situation". A pseudo problem has been created by OTHER PEOPLE. Vez claimed. Cool. Its everyone elses reactions that is the issue.
Apologies if that is what you mean by "Vez situation".