Fall of the Matrix: Game Over!

[MrBuddyLee]

/confirm

[MrBuddyLee]

Some studies have actually shown town day 1 lynches to be less accurate then random, probably due to scum manipulation.

More likely due to lazy fuckface scum hiding out and not posting while town eats their own.

ps. hi

[MrBuddyLee]

Llama, do you still find DeathNote scummy?

[MrBuddyLee]

@Surye

, you haven't indicated suspicion of anyone besides Vez today. Who else do you find scummy? Two or more names, with accompanying reasons, will suffice.

Hypothesis: Vez is lynched today and comes up vanilla town.

@Surye

, if that happens, which two players will you find the most suspect based on the way they've played Day One?

[MrBuddyLee]

AGar, please clarify the exact reason behind your vote on Furcolow. Also, do you still think Surye is scum?

I have a much higher percentage of being a town-aligned-PR than Vezokpiraka's 0%.

Do you think Vez is scum? If not, who is scum? Why are you not voting Llama, who you've already outright called scum? And why, specifically, is Llama scum?

I'm trying to be impartial, but there are evidence that may support his(Furcolow's) innocence.

Now that we are discussing his(Furcolow's) lurking habits, the scum bag should show up

Smells funny.

vote: ToonFighter

[MrBuddyLee]

Wow look at all the scum come buzzing around the easy lynch targets. Irony

Can you please be more specific?

[MrBuddyLee]

The Vezo and Furc wagons are full of opportunistic scum looking to get easy lynches on notorious players.

Is this glib, or are you on the record as thinking Vez and Furc are town?

[MrBuddyLee]

@AGar, Primate and LlamaFluff:
If you were scumpartners with vez in this game, would you advise him to claim vanilla town right off the bat?

[MrBuddyLee]

The Vezo and Furc wagons are full of opportunistic scum looking to get easy lynches on notorious players.

Have been on the "bad" wagons: 14

SensFan

, DeathNote, Surye, Albert B. Rampage, Medicated Lain,

Porochaz

, Yosarian2, Furcolow, Amrun

SensFan, Porochaz (on both "bad" wagons)

, Toon Fighter, BrianMcQueso, Cogito Ergo Sum, LlamaFluff, AGar

Not on bad wagons: 8
Kison, Primate, CPE, Hez, IS, vez, Zindy (FOSed Furc), MBL,

not voting: 3

Bamboomancer, fuzzy, GummyBear (not voting)

Approximate number of scum in this game: 6

Prediction:
1-2 non-voters are scum
2-3 people on the "bad" wagons are scum
2 people not on bad wagons are scum.

Confirmation of hypothesis:
Checked several vezopiraka D1 townclaim games. Found one with LlamaFluffscum in it. 3/4 scum staunchly defended townclaiming townie vezopiraka. From their Quicktopic:

Just a heads up, I will probably be strongly opposing the idea of a policy lynch throughout the mid part of the day.

Also, can I mildly oppose the policy lynch idea in-thread?

Im still pushing policy lynches hard.

Revising hypothesis:
Scum who know this guy are no more likely to be on his D1 wagon if he is townclaiming town. Scum who have never played with the guy before--tough to say. Odds of most scum bandwagoning a townclaiming townie vezopiraka: slim-to-none. They are worried about how it will make them look come future days.

@Vez, have you ever claimed VT D1 as scum?

[MrBuddyLee]

You seem to have missed the point of my post--that scum are more likely to be image-conscious on the vez issue if he's townclaiming town.

[MrBuddyLee]

Your image-consciousness has been noted.

[MrBuddyLee]

I see you didn't quote the names of the scums. One of them was llamafluff. And you also didn't say that the game had a special lynching mechanic and they were deciding who to save. It was against me, ani and gandalf. Gandalf was scum and Fate wanted him dead. Llama wanted ani dead just because of policy and he saved me over gandalf to make Fate like him.
I really don't like the fact you quoted that but didn't give the context.

I said three of the four scums defended you, which is correct and is the point--IS is incorrect to state that the obvious scum play is to be on your wagon when you townclaim, and in fact, scum in the past have postured on this exact topic to make themselves look better.

[MrBuddyLee]

scum defended me in order to buddy to Fate.

They aren't buddying to anyone in this game.

Really? So the people defending you most stridently (AGar, Primate, Llama) definitely aren't scum?

[MrBuddyLee]

@Gummybear

and

@Medicated Lain

, what do you think of Vez's 15+ posts? You seem to have a meta on the guy.. so how do his posts in this game compare to his posts as town/scum? (And I'd prefer if you went deeper than just the two vanilla-related posts he's already been attacked for.)

unvote Toon Fighter, vote: Medicated Lain

Claiming you're all about the information and then voting a player who hasn't posted yet--does not compute. Your previous vote on vez looked opportunistic as well. You've taken the time to FOS AGar twice and yet you vote a nonposter over him? So sketchy.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm caught up now, and I have a much higher percentage of being a town-aligned-PR than Vezokpiraka's 0%.

I am a vanilla townie, like Vezokpiraka has claimed

Furc, why'd you hint at possibly having a power role when you started getting in trouble?

[MrBuddyLee]

Youre likely to find a bunch of scum in that list, just sayin'

I agree. Which would you say are the worst votes in that list? Let's lynch those voters.

[MrBuddyLee]

Prozac, take a good read of all of Amrun's posts, and tell me what you think. She looks pretty town to me, all in all, even though I disagree with the whole "porochez is pushing easy wagons" argument. I'm not really clear about why you're voting for her.

Amrun always looks town. Read carefully.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm caught up now, and I have a much higher percentage of being a town-aligned-PR than Vezokpiraka's 0%.

I am a vanilla townie, like Vezokpiraka has claimed

Furc, why'd you hint at possibly having a power role when you started getting in trouble?

He dodged this question too, I believe.

[MrBuddyLee]

The lack of effort MBL is putting into this game is really starting to concern me.

That sounds sincere. How 'bout a pointed question instead of a dead-end observation?

[MrBuddyLee]

By not lynching him on D1, we are, IMO, putting our LYLO fate in the hands of a not-necessarily-existent vig, and that is not an ideal situation.

How about we lynch scum a few days in a row right off the bat, catch yet MORE scum by seeing who protects those scum, and avoid going to LYLO altogether?

I despise your idea that a policy lynch is the best way to play D1. It's a waste of everyone's time unless the target of the policy lynch is scummy for other reasons. I also think it's absurd that you and your teammate, when

specifically

asked to assess Vez's 33 posts, focus only on the one he made May 2nd that allows you to policy lynch him. What about his comments on 5-10 other players in the game? Are those Vez comments scummy or townish?

Tempted to switch my vote to you guys... it's highly unlikely that two halves of a hydra can agree that a policy lynch is the best course of action on this particular D1 unless they're a scum hydra. Your direct avoidance of a question probing your policy lynch is super scummy.

[MrBuddyLee]

Who asked us to assess Vezok's posts? Neither of us saw anything in those regards.

Your hydra specifically responded to this question without actually answering the question:

@Gummybear and @Medicated Lain, what do you think of Vez's 15+ posts? You seem to have a meta on the guy.. so how do his posts in this game compare to his posts as town/scum?

(And I'd prefer if you went deeper than just the two vanilla-related posts he's already been attacked for.)

All you gave me was crap about his survivalism. You totally avoided commenting on vez's suspicions. I find it scummy of you that you made no effort to read vez's suspicions to see if they confirm or refute your anti-town assessment of him.

MBL, I'd really like to see you come up with another reason we're scum other than "wow, I can't believe I've never seen a hydra actually agree on things and play the game in a hydra as it should be."

I called you scummy because you dodged a question and avoided giving further definition to your vote. Now I'm calling you scum again because my pressure caused you to switch your vote instead of standing firm on your principles while answering my question.

=============================================================

What kind of shit attack on gummybears is that?

Gummybears has been a huge pile of useless, but that's what you attack them for?

Are you on the record as saying Gummy's dodge of the vez question is not scummy, Amrun? How about his switch to Furc in response to my pressure, a switch which disguised his failure to answer the original question about his vez vote?

[MrBuddyLee]

However, the thing about them moving their vote as a response to your pressure is reading more like pure after the fact fabrication to me. I think their post indicates pretty clearly why they were changing their vote, and deadline is a valid reason to doo so.

Fabrication my ass. Gummy was perfectly happy sitting on vez 2 hours earlier. Llama and I attacked, and Gummy changed vote. And now wants to pretend it's due to suddenly being made aware of deadline? Naw.. That's suspect. After all, Patrick, Furcolow, and two others all made the deadline very clear Tuesday:

We've got 5 days to make an educated decision.

Because with 4 days to go

Hopefully that'll be before the 22d (that's when the deadline is, right?)

Deadline will be Sunday, May 22nd

It stretches belief to say that GummyBear was unaware of the impending deadline after reading those four posts.

Especially considering one of the people reminding us was the person (Furc) GummyBear claimed to ISO:

Furc is playing scummily, as well as dumbly, like we said before. There's no change in our position after an ISO on him.

What really happened is:

* GummyBear was aware of the deadline
* GummyBear was happy being the only person on the vezwagon approaching deadline
* GummyBear left their vote on vez
* Llama and MBL poked at GummyBear 2 hours after they reaffirmed their vez vote
* GummyBear switched their vote to Furcolow 19 minutes after MBL's post, saying "Fine." which is clearly an emotional response to being attacked.
* GummyBear pretends that the pressure had nothing to do with their vote change

Gummy's behavior stinks to high hell today.

@GummyBear, you're continuing to dodge my vez question. What do you think of vez's post history with respect to his suspects and other posts of his not related to your policy lynch? Also, please give details on why you think Furcolow's play is scummy (other than self-vote and "timing of posts").

ps. check out how Gummy attacked Albert B. Rampage for his Furc vote:

I think the only thing we disagree with ABR on is him ignoring the fact that Vezok's lynch is an even easier scum mislynch than Furc. Also, his vote-switch to Furc not long after declaring the wagon as full o' scum is bad. Saying that he 'hates self-votes' is... sort of a justification, but he still gets scumpoints for it.

And now Gummy is totally thrilled to be on the Furcwagon. ABR gets scumpoints for being on a wagon he called "full o' scum", so what does Gummy get for following ABR on to

that same wagon

?

[MrBuddyLee]

Unvote, vote Medicated Lain

Pressure vote to change avatar

Dear Albert,

Your joke vote, putting ML in the ballpark, gives me the heebie jeebies. Shit or get off the pot, son.

Love,
MBL

Furcolow (6) - (SensFan, Toon Fighter, BrianMcQueso, AGar, Surye, creampuffeater)
Surye (5) - (Internet Stranger, Zindaras, vezokpiraka, Kison, Cogito Ergo Sum)
Medicated Lain (4) - (LlamaFluff, Yosarian2, MrBuddyLee, Albert B. Rampage)

[MrBuddyLee]

What do you think of ML, Albert?

[MrBuddyLee]

Amrun: Looks town to me. MrBuddyLee (who also looks town to me), can you go into more detail about Amrun?

She's good scum, at least in other games. In this particular game, she's a bit loose with the facts, and fairly image conscious, but she's not on my primary radar at the moment. I don't like little white lies like:

I haven't been on either wagon... I tried to get on vez wagon real quick, but forgot to unvote and changed my mind anyway. Thanks for the misrep, MBL.

Accusing me of misrepresentation when she actually did try to get on the vez wagon but made a clerical error? That's pretty political, and a bit yucky.

[MrBuddyLee]

Im looking for another suspect within the voting patterns, but I cant find the trifecta, someone who jumped on Vezo, Furc and Surye bandwagons. Until something obvious like that comes up, im sheeping Amrun.

Vote: Toon Fighter

Please give your analysis of ToonFighter's play.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: Porochaz

several reasons:

1. Voting another "deadwood" policy lynch (ReaperCharlie) when 2-3 of his main suspects are still alive. (DeathNote and AGar. I'm guessing Frank and Valerie are Furc and vez?)

The 3 top lynch candidates.

1, Frank, beyond what happened before, the voting is horrible
2, DeathNote, her posts have gotten incredibly bad - I might go into this later, but as I prefer Frank just now
3, Valerie, Ive made my reasons clear on him already

The bandwagon analysis isn't a great indicator in my view as both whether you like it or not have done things to warrant votes.

If I was to put a 4th person on the list it would be Agar, mostly due to his fierce stance on the val wagon, its the aggressiveness not the stance which bothers me. However Im not willing to put a vote on him until I had ISO'd him and done some looking at his meta.

2. Extraordinarily high post to content ratio. Very image-oriented.

3. If Amrun was killed by scum/SK targeting another scum faction, Porochaz was really the only person to go after her aggressively yesterday.

[MrBuddyLee]

Im looking for another suspect within the voting patterns, but I cant find the trifecta, someone who jumped on Vezo, Furc and Surye bandwagons. Until something obvious like that comes up, im sheeping Amrun.

Vote: Toon Fighter

Please give your analysis of ToonFighter's play.

[MrBuddyLee]

Get of my ass Lee, I dont give a shit about Toon Fighter right now.

You cast the ToonFighter vote 24 hours ago. Forgive me for digging into your irrelevant, distant past.

Just keeping my eye on votes cast for crappy reasons. "Sheeping Amrun" was one of them--it looked about as manufactured as could be. When you place a vote, it's generally an attempt to lynch. In this case, it doesn't appear to have been an intent to lynch, because you abandoned it like a hot potato, so I'm curious to know why you placed it in the first place.

@ToonFighter

, what do you think of Furcolow? Your confidence in his wagon seems to have disappeared:

that only reinforces my confidence on Furc's wagon

[MrBuddyLee]

Ok, that's fine. So you think ToonFighter is town.

What do you think of Furcolow? Yesterday, you said that the Furcwagon was full of opportunistic scum. ToonFighter was #3 on that Furcwagon. Something's not adding up about your play right now, or at least it's not matching your rhetoric from yesterday.

[MrBuddyLee]

Quick question, in general. How many people have we had stridently defending people as town? I can recall Llama, IS, AGar, Albert. Who else?

[MrBuddyLee]

So who do you think is scum who was avoiding bandwagons? I assume you're not talking about Albert here, since he was pretty bandwagon happy, often for fairly weak to nonexistent reasons.

Let me just answer this question as well because I agree with Lainy: MBL gives me the creeps. Read him. He mostly just asks stuff and gives some small inputs, but he avoids giving any actual opinion on both the Vezok and the Furcy wagons. He also nicely avoids the Surye wagon and everything related to it.

@Zindaras: Point out one question I asked about vez or Surye that wasn't an honest attempt to figure out their alignment or the alignment of the players on their wagon.

I pointed out that scum were as likely, if not more likely, to be OFF the vezwagon yesterday, based on my read of a previous game vez did this in. Do you really find the way I stayed off the vezwagon (or Furc or Surye-wagons) scummy? While I drew attention to the fact, based on research, that scum were as likely or moreso to be off that vezwagon?

I was focused on ToonFighter, MedicatedLain and GummyBear yesterday while you were pushing the Surye-wagon. I believe you agreed with two of those pushes of mine. Please clarify if you really think I'm scum.

My main suspects are Internet Stranger, Zindaras, Medicated Lain and Gummy.

I like this list. I also think it's heavy on the "doing seemingly irrational shit" side and misses people who are laying low. Right now I'm willing to give Zindy the benefit of the doubt for his 54 pages of thoughts, even if some of it doesn't add up.

@MedicatedLain

, please explain your evolution of thought on AGar.


Albert posted this early yesterday:

But...Surye....he's always like this. Always has an incredibly scummy plan, even when he's town. You have to catch him later in the game with his connections to scum.

and this:

I am strongly against voting for any players "who make bad choices" other than vezok. Furc, Surye, all wagons that shouldn't happen without lynching vezok first.

and this:

I have experience with Surye being strung up as scum for bad plans like this, only for him to turn out town. And he tries harder than either vezok or furcolow. So yes, I like Surye better.

Trying to get people to look beyond the obvious with Surye. Townish. I didn't like Albert's vez policy vote or the way he slid over to the MedicatedLain wagon, but on the whole, I see his play as townish.

Interestingly, Zindy, you're attacking Albert, who defended Surye stridently, because he didn't come up with with a strong enough alternate wagon. You're attacking me, who came up with good alternate cases, because I didn't say enough explicitly about Surye. Why is your focus on two players who were on the right side of the law yesterday, and for good if not perfect reasons?

[MrBuddyLee]

Kison, you're way thin on suspicions. In fact, after reading your post history, I'm not sure I can peg a single current suspect of yours. If you're not careful, people might mistake that kind of behavior for actual Cult Recruiter behavior.

Porochaz, same applies to you.

GummyBear, same applies to you.

McQueso, Hez, IS, same applies to you.

If you guys were my scumpartners, I'd slit my wrists.

[MrBuddyLee]

Should I just assume that Hez is the only one drinking the SensScum kool-aid? I'm happy to continue ripping his posts apart and pointing out the massive hypocrisy and holes in them, but at this point I'm wondering if anyone else is giving his points validity.

Do you think Hez is dumb or scum? Reading your posts, all you seem to be doing is countering his points, not assessing his alignment.

[MrBuddyLee]

@Ranmaru

, did you read the entire thread in order or just read individual isolations?

[MrBuddyLee]

@MrBuddyLee: I agree with your stance on Poro, but how is it doing for you? Do you think you'll get him lynched ToDay? What are your thoughts on TF and RC?

Porochaz has demonstrated a high level of passion for this particular game. Anger, frustration, etc. He is heavily invested, yet he is not currently voting, and has not done anything resembling scumhunting for a few weeks now. And his posts are heavy with excuses and dictatorial behavior, as opposed to evaluative behavior. That is a perfect storm of scumminess.

Thoughts on ReaperCharlie? Ordinarily I'd be upset at/suspicious of CES for directing the vig to RC, but to be honest, a small part of me would take great satisfaction in that vig. I suppose I should ask whether this is an RC scum meta? I would look it up myself, except that there's no human being I could possibly have less interest in studying. Read: null

@ToonFighter

, how many scum teams are there?

[MrBuddyLee]

He looks pretty terrible right now.. does he look brilliant to you in this game for some reason?

[MrBuddyLee]

@CES

, what made you change your mind on Furcolow?

@Llama

, what do you think of this list of seven? Reasoned details would be nice.
Toon Fighter (3) - (LlamaFluff, Cogito Ergo Sum, Kublai Khan)
ReaperCharlie (3) - (BrianMcQueso, SensFan, Porochaz)
Albert B. Rampage (3) - (Zindaras, Medicated Lain, Toon Fighter)
SensFan (2) - (ReaperCharlie, HezLucky)
Ranmaru (2) - (AGar, Primate)
Porochaz (1) - (MrBuddyLee)
Furcolow (0)

@McQueso:

please sell me on why Furcolow is town.

@Sens:

, what's your read on ToonFighter? Also, do you think RC is more likely scum than Furcolow?

@Porochaz:

Frank, ABR and Toon Fighter are my choices for today although I was quite happy leaving my vote on RC even though I

unvote

d a while ago.

In other news

vote DeathNote

. Time to step up.

Your "choices" for today just happen to be the top three wagons at the time plus yesterday's biggest wagon. And yet you're voting for someone with no votes, a week before deadline. That situation on the whole makes you appear like you're avoiding wagoning a scumpartner or getting caught on the townwagon that's going to bail out your scumpartner. Why aren't you voting any of your top four suspects right now?

[MrBuddyLee]

@McQueso

, you sounded pretty certain Furcolow was scum yesterday. I'm curious to know more about why you now see him as the lesser of two evils. Your overall posts read more like "ReaperCharlie is useless town" to me than "ReaperCharlie is obvScum". Please clarify.


You say this about ReaperCharlie:

Not just because of his insanely scummy play, but also because it would give us a treasure trove of information after he flips.

And this:

I'm not going to spend my time defending a player that I don't know who is innocent or guilty.

So how do you expect a trove of information from a wagon on a player you admit is somewhat unreadable due to his lack of participation? As an exercise here, please point out the player you'd find most likely scum if ReaperCharlie flips scum, and the player most likely scum if ReaperCharlie flips town.

[MrBuddyLee]

Correcting that post slightly, McQueso, your posts read more like "ReaperCharlie is

useless

" to me than "ReaperCharlie is obvScum".

[MrBuddyLee]

Most people have an opinion of RC. Those who are defending him will have to defend themselves if he flips scum. How those players defend themselves will define Day 3. If RC flips town, we look at those suspecting him. We look carefully at their reasons for suspecting him, and that in turn drives Day 3's events.

If that's how you think scum should be found, how come you haven't done this for the Day One wagons/flips?

[MrBuddyLee]

Last time I checked, I was currently voting and been spending most of my effort towards lynching ReaperCharlie, the player who hammered the last wagon with no explanation and who has still not provided any information on his methods, reads, or opinions of any other players in the game.

Have you mentioned the Surye hammervote as a part of your case on ReaperCharlie? I can't find it. In your two posts discussing ReaperCharlie before you voted him, you only mention his inactivity. After you vote him, it continues:

Listen, I'm not looking to lynch a lurker on Day 2. We've got better leads to follow. But your behavior is just so damn scummy! There's a difference between someone who's inactive, and someone who is very active but not contributing.

And again June 2:

I am still happy with my RC vote, and he just seems to be rubbing his uselessness in our face now. If RC is town, he's hurting the town. If he's scum, he's getting away with ridiculous lurking in plain sight.

and again June 3:

My only hope at this point is for RC's hydra buddy to pull some worth out of that player slot, but that doesn't seem to be happening either.

Your new stated reason for voting RC--being the hammer vote on the Surye-wagon--sounds like a retrofit. I don't feel like you've made the least bit of effort to find the scum that pushed the Surye wagon, let alone the ones that pushed the vez-wagon.

The hammer vote four hours before deadline, with the vote count standing at 12-8, is a possible scum move. The guy didn't even provide a reason. However, it appeared to be a lynch that was happening anyway. I would more expect scum to let someone else hammer that wagon down, especially if Furcolow is town. Are you saying he hammered because he was protecting his scumpartner Furcolow? If so, why haven't you used that as evidence, why are you so ambivalent about Furcolow, and why didn't you go after Furcolow to start today?

Who do you see as the most likely scum votes on the Surye and vez wagons? You haven't discussed that at all despite your hyperbole, which is my point in calling you out.

How do you find scum, MrBuddyLee?

By looking for people whose actions don't add up. ReaperCharlie is a possibility--he clearly doesn't give a shit about finding scum. But regardless of his alignment, your words don't really seem to match your actions, and it feels like you're posturing, so I want to know more.

@McQueso

, what do you think of Porochaz?

[MrBuddyLee]

Zindaras, for all your 26,385 words you've posted in this thread, you are currently not voting for anyone five days before deadline. Despite the fact that you're:

Not really liking the RC-wagon.

Yet you are implicitly supporting the RC wagon with your lack of vote. If an alternate wagon doesn't happen soon, it's not happening ever. Yet you seem perfectly satisfied to let a wagon you don't like drive itself to fruition.

FOS

I am also amused tremendously by this town. A guy claims vig in the middle of the day and promises to shoot someone else and 90% just goes on their way without commenting on either.

Apathy central it is.

Pot. Kettle.

[MrBuddyLee]

unvote, vote: SensFan

[MrBuddyLee]

DeathNote directed the vig to kill Furcolow overnight. Unlikely scumteam. DeathNote's been defending ReaperCharlie pretty blatantly. Unlikely scumteam IMO, but who knows, it takes a special brand of scum to defend an indefensible scumpartner.

DeathNote is a likely Llama N1 target based on D1.

DeathNote doesn't have a guilty result on someone N1, so if he targeted one of the nightkills, it's most likely that he's the killer.

There is a chance Llama is getting bogus results mixed in with correct ones.

[MrBuddyLee]

Hey Llama, fuck you.

This made me smile. Perfect way to start the day.

[MrBuddyLee]

Mr Buddy Lee, what did you think about Llama's gambit?

Null and retarded. Uncharacteristic of a good player.

[MrBuddyLee]

Up to page 15. This is quite informative and interesting. I recommend you all do this.

Congratulations on making it to page 15 three and a half weeks after you replaced in. At this pace, you'll catch up to the rest of us in October.

You seem to think ToonFighter is scum, yet it seems you haven't read, or at least commented upon, a single one of his posts. You've only commented on other people's posts about ToonFighter. Why haven't you broken off your epic PBPA to at least read your top suspect in isolation? Have you discussed your top suspect with your hydra partner?

[MrBuddyLee]

@Toonfighter:

Day 1, you said you thought DeathNote was scum, and you mentioned ISOing him and mozamis. You switched off DeathNote to Furcolow with reason:

As I am not getting anything satisfactory out of DeathNote

and then took Sens's evidence and the Furc self-vote to indicate that Furc was a "scumbag". Later, you said we should vote a vanilla townie, and said Furc was the better choice of the two claimed ones. You criticized CES-mozamis for switching from Furc to Surye last minute. Seems like your suspects are Furc and CES.


Day 2, you called out DN start-of-day for voting you but didn't follow up. You proceeded to suspect Llama for "wanting a cop to come out" and Kublai for his slide onto the Surye wagon. You attacked and voted ABR for being "active" D1 and for defending Surye. Seemed to ignore your top two D1 suspects out of the gate.

When ABR claimed vig, you called out the RC wagon and said Brian, Sens and Poro were potentially "on the same scumteam" "trying to bandwaggon another (town) player" next (Furc yesterday, RC today). Then you sit the fence on Furc:

I still maintain that Furc may be scum, but since that trio is now together on a different player, I find that unlikely.

You switched to pile on the RC wagon with those three "scumteam members":

I am looking at the case on RC again, and, despite being led by SensFan, whom I still don't like much, I don't like that he keeps lurking and just trying to slide by after he was caught doing it. Plus, his vote on IS is just terribad. vote: RC

ReaperCharlie (3) - (

BrianMcQueso

,

SensFan

,

Porochaz

)
ReaperCharlie (8) - (

BrianMcQueso

,

SensFan

, Internet Stranger,

Furcolow

, Yosarian2, Ranmaru, Toon Fighter, Medicated Lain)


Doesn't add up. Are Brian, Poro and Sens scum or not? Is Furc scum or not? Is RC scum or not? Why have you ignored DeathNote all D2? What do you think of CES-mozamis?


It looks like you've moved to the popular wagons today. Why have you been such a hopping, inconsistent mess?

Also, why didn't you ask DeathNote for further clarification on his vote of you?

Care to explain why, DN?

You are my biggest scum read.

@DeathNote

, you voted ToonFighter right off D2, then hopped off when the Kison=Cult thing came up. Why'd you unvote? Also, why haven't you made a case on ToonFighter today or asked him much of anything?

[MrBuddyLee]

@Primate

: 18 posts D1, down to 4 posts D2 despite all those juicy flips and claims. You haven't placed a vote you believe in all day. Why'd you join this game if you don't intend to play it? At the least, you could crack a few jokes.

[MrBuddyLee]

@Yos

, why did you ignore ToonFighter from May 9th to June 5th? He appeared to be your #2 suspect back then, and he's your #2 suspect now.

Amrun: Yeah, I read your case. I don't disagree with it, and

Toon Fighter

is currenlty on the very short list of people I might consider lynching over Vez.

Surye (13) - (Internet Stranger, Zindaras, vezokpiraka, Kison, Cogito Ergo Sum, HezLucky, Furcolow, AGar, DeathNote, Kublai Khan, Primate, LlamaFluff, ReaperCharlie)
Just for the sake of argument, I'm going to assume there were at least some scum actively pushing this wagon, from a reasonably early point.

...
...

Scumlist:
RC

Toonfighter

Kison (Still wish this guy would get a little more attention. I hate the way everyone is just letting him basically fly under the radar this game.)


unvote
Vote:Reaper Charlie

[MrBuddyLee]

@Ranmaru

, why are Primate and NS scum for lurking while KK is null?

KK voted ToonFighter for no stated reason, same as you criticized Primate for. NS hasn't voted or posted.

[MrBuddyLee]

Yeah, but why didn't you go after him to start D2?

[MrBuddyLee]

@Yos, yeah, but why did ToonFighter drift off your radar? Did he do something you considered townish?

[MrBuddyLee]

Mr Buddy Lee, why are you addressing questions at a faster rate near deadline? Maybe it's just me (and being shocked to see your post in preview mode). Example, you address Primate about his non-existance NOW instead of earlier. Of course I see you address people before deadline, but not as much as you did today. I actually like it. Am I correct? (I did like the post regarding TF)

How do you feel about NS lurking? Have you played with him before?

Why are you asking pointless questions of a player you're pretty sure is town?

[MrBuddyLee]

#305 (MrBuddyLee): "[Day 1 lynches often being mislynches are] More likely due to lazy fuckface scum hiding out and not posting while town eats their own." == Dat Irony. This from the guy whose first non-confirm post in the game is on page 13 and a week after he confirmed. Scummy. (-1 for MrBuddyLee)

Joke, meet the back of Charlie's skull. Thunk.

The fact that you're continuing to post halfhearted analysis at this point despite the near-inevitability of your lynch is mildly townish. If you were scum I'd have expected you to leave things up to your hydra partner and headed off for some Yoohoo and Portal 2 co-op. Please continue.

[MrBuddyLee]

#449 (MrBuddyLee): "@AGar, Primate and LlamaFluff:
If you were scumpartners with vez in this game, would you advise him to claim vanilla town right off the bat?" >> The very definition of a useless, loaded, and suspiciously specific question. Scummy. (-1 for MrBuddyLee)

Why's the question suspiciously specific? vez flipped town.

The reason I asked that question is because those three people treated vez's claim like gold. And to be honest, the best play if you're scumpartners with vez is to have him claim vanilla right off and then ride him whichever way the wind blows. I wanted to see if I could get acknowledgement of that, and maybe a scummy ping, from any of them.


Also

@RC

: Speaking of Agar, Primate and Llama, have you figured out yet that your Readapalooza isn't teaching you anything about Primate or Agar's replacement? Neither are posting, and yet you're leaving them off your scumlist/commentary entirely.

Also:

"Wow look at all the scum come buzzing around the easy lynch targets. Irony"

100% this. LOL so right.

Albert was talking about vez AND Furcolow there. Do you really agree with ABR's thought at that time that Furcolow is a townie who's an easy lynch target?

[MrBuddyLee]

Albert, if you hit scum tonight I'll bake you brownies. Even if you're an SK.

Now

that's

how you direct a vig.

[MrBuddyLee]

@Toonfighter:

You conveniently ignored:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3117803

@Charlie

:
If you're town, you wasted a day for all of us, and played right into scum's hands. Thanks for replacing in.

unvote, vote: ToonFighter

I believe a wagon-switch by any Charlie voter right now would lynch ToonFighter.

[MrBuddyLee]

Attention scumbags:

Due to a glitch in the Matrix your vote now counts twice; use it to eliminate Cogito Ergo Sum (Serial Killer).

Is that the best you can do with your scum Messenger ability?

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: Kison, vote: Kison

or whatever

[MrBuddyLee]

Cellphone post.. CPE kill looking like a Hez crosskill attempt. Two scumteams And an sk? And both teams left ABR alone so he could kill more townies?

[MrBuddyLee]

Congratulations, Kison, well played. Looks like Yos and I were the only people who voted you.

Yos, when you're not messing around with policy lynches, you do a great job of ferreting out scum. Your instincts were really good this game when you weren't dinking around with vez and RC.

Llama, why did you claim early again?

The Matrix scumteam looks a touch underpowered in a game with so many nightkills, but I'm interested in hearing more about why the scumteams are balanced.

Not sure why Zindy claimed scum.
It was super lame that MoS modkilled me. His game, he gets to make the call, but in my opinion it was a terrible decision.

Neat game other than that, and other than the inevitable presence of malingering townies in large games like this.