Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER

[ChannelDelibird]

Vote: Energetic Penguin

Good name.

Note: I am

limited access

until Monday.

[ChannelDelibird]

Alright, it's good to see this player-list in a game I signed up for so long ago.
Before we get started, how much do you guys know about this show? For once, I feel like a bit of an expert on the flavor material.
Season 1 isn't exactly my strong point in Chuck, but I still remember a good deal of it.

vote: ReaperCharlie

Obvscum is obvscum.

I am a massive fan of the show and know most if it like the back of my hand. (I am a couple of episodes behind US pace on season 4 at the moment.)

I know nothing about flavor except that Miranda is in it.

She is indeed - and how.

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RC/Thor is null.

[ChannelDelibird]

RC/Thor is null.

Why

are we null?

Your "x&y are scum, discuss" post is something both town and scum do.
Overreacting to it is something both town and scum do.

[ChannelDelibird]

As far as setup speculation goes, all I think is worth saying is that unless mothrax is pulling something really unorthodox then FULCRUM are the scumgroup, and claiming "Harry Tang" should not be viewed as either townish or scummish.

[ChannelDelibird]

Unvote, vote: PeregrineV

[ChannelDelibird]

I am disappointed to be the only one voting for Peregrine.

Hare, stop pretending Ythan is your main.

[ChannelDelibird]

I am disappointed to be the only one voting for Peregrine.

Thought about it, but he hasn't posted anywhere since Friday. He is one of the few I am waiting on.

Interesting. Do elaborate.

[ChannelDelibird]

@Channel- Your case is so uttering compelling, I am very surprised. Each time I read it, I get chills and see things in a new light.

I didn't claim to have posted a compelling case. I simply said I was disappointed to be the only one voting for you and I'm following up on ant's reaction to that. No need to posture.

[ChannelDelibird]

The Thor wagon is pretty worthy. I approve of it. Good luck with it - I'll make myself busy exploring my own line of investigation in the meantime.

[ChannelDelibird]

MOD: Don't freak out, but could we have a Vote Count please?

[ChannelDelibird]

lol @ 4 votes on thor in the last 10 posts.

This is a strange thing to say considering one of them was you.

[ChannelDelibird]

why is it strange?

I think town would more likely react with suspicion or acceptance than humour or mock-surprise.

[ChannelDelibird]

The Thor wagon is pretty worthy. I approve of it. Good luck with it - I'll make myself busy exploring my own line of investigation in the meantime.

Addendum to this - I would actually like the opportunity to explore said line of investigation before you actually, y'know, lynch Thor.

[ChannelDelibird]

Thank you for stating the obvious.

[ChannelDelibird]

@ReaperCharlie- Your machine's either 50% or 100% busted.

Which of these options do you think is more likely, Peregrine?

[ChannelDelibird]

I have no clue right now. Rag has done no more or less than other players so far today, so he hasn't particularly earned a scum or town read.

What do you think of post 168?

This is so feeble and contrived it's ridiculous.

Unvote. Vote: ReaperCharlie.

You may have been here longer than Ythan but you clearly haven't read much ReaperCharlie. That post looks fairly typical of him to me. (Not intended as a slight, RC.)

[ChannelDelibird]

I've also been sick of thor's innactivity this game.

Explain.

[ChannelDelibird]

Pressure to get specific responses =/= pressure to stop being inactive.

[ChannelDelibird]

Interesting. Do elaborate.

His second post was the bottom of page 2. Not seeing his posts as scummy with the context of being on page 2.

"It was page 2" is a catch-all excuse that means nothing. Context is different each time. I think it stuck out given what had happened before it.

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Peregrine, I'm still waiting for a response to my 187 from you.

[ChannelDelibird]

EP is probably town, but is wrong on Ragna and Peregrine.

[ChannelDelibird]

Hi, could you guys not spam up the thread like that, kthxbai.

More Peregrine votes.

[ChannelDelibird]

If that's a joke, then it's unoriginal but maybe well-placed.
If it isn't, it's very stupid (we're not, for example, in a random period).

Either way Thor looks fairly town now.

[ChannelDelibird]

D:

You'll be for tomorrow if I make it.

@ChannelDel - look at how town is dorking around and tell me we're not in a random period. RC is calling people scum teams while still not voting them. Ragi s catting around with her style of nothingness and acting like it's still relevant by this stage of the game, half the players are barely participating, and we're running a wagon on me that no one is actually advancing or trying to do anything with. Frankly I'd like to kill the whole lot of you.

What do you see as our non-random progress and where do you think we should have been going?

Call me CDB if it's easier. Most people do. =)

I don't think we should expect anything vastly different from RC, it all seems fairly consistent with his posting style. I'm seeing a few people express opinions on who might or might not be scum, and we've had a couple of big wagons to look at. Sure, we have a few quiet people, but lurking isn't restricted to a random period (I resent the idea of calling anything a defined RVS anyway).

As far as progress goes, I think the wagon on you was interesting and has led to you possibly exposing yourself prematurely, which is progress if not ideal progress. I'm getting some interesting reactions and non-reactions to my Peregrine vote, which I think is pretty useful. I haven't really dug deep into a couple of other players but will get on that soon.

[ChannelDelibird]

Noting Ant reacting without saying anything.

[ChannelDelibird]

When did I say I thought RC was a particularly great contributor? Just because I'm saying it's what we should expect from him in a general behaviour sense doesn't mean I have a town read on him. It's just basically how he rolls. Have you played with him before or spoken much to him around the site?

[ChannelDelibird]

Even more on topic:



I really shouldn't be encouraging this kind of spam and digression, but dammit, I can't help it when it comes to this woman.

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Anyway.

Ragna - doesn't his suspicion of RC sound serious to you?

[ChannelDelibird]

EBWOP: Yes. Strahovski at the top of the page was a good idea.

[ChannelDelibird]

I know there was a pretty picture, but I did ask you a question.

[ChannelDelibird]

And, another point of posting is to generate conversation, not wait until it is turned to you.

Confirm Vote: PeregrineV

[ChannelDelibird]

I'll be honest - I haven't really read the dana case through properly yet. I'll get to that tomorrow. I think Peregrine is legit scummy, though. I quoted the sentence I did because it's worded from the perspective of scum who are afraid of having discussion turn to them. Town don't need to be afraid of that.

Thor's fakedayvig was pretty townie, I thought. I don't see myself voting for him today as it stands.

[ChannelDelibird]

I also: a) am dubious of the merits of any kind of alliance on Day 1, b) have no reason to believe any of the people currently in said alliance are particularly town, and therefore c) do not see why I should be so scared by your threats.

[ChannelDelibird]

I assumed that the post above was pending an EBWOP, seeing as you forgot to type your point.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm against the alliance pretty much just because. It has at least helped to further prove how town Thor is, though.

Toying with moving my vote to Ant.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm against the alliance pretty much just because.

This is the attitude that kills towns. That's like saying you're against Mass-claim. Did you even read my post?

I did read your post. (I am against massclaim on Day 1, incidentally.) I guess it boils down, for me, to the feeling that if town players do their best to be pro-town, "alliances" will arise naturally from town players recognising other townies. Forcing it through pretty much before it becomes really obvious who the town players are feels unnatural. I also look at this specific alliance and I see a player I have a null read on inviting another of my null reads and then a scummy read into the alliance, and it doesn't fill me with confidence.

[ChannelDelibird]

Thor is not a good lynch at all.

[ChannelDelibird]

I owe this game more attention than I've been giving it for the last few days.

With a view to the deadline:

a) I will not be voting for Thor today under any circumstances bar a mafia claim.
b) MoS seems like a lazy place to put one's vote. I don't think I'd want to be on a MoS deadline wagon.
c) I need to reread dana and the case against him, but two of the scummier players in the game are on that wagon so I'm kind of meh about it.

Of the people with votes right now, pretty much only Peregrine is worth lynching IMO. I'd switch to Ant or EP at this point too, and will look at Ragna seeing as there's a swing that way too.

[ChannelDelibird]

a) I will not be voting for Thor today under any circumstances bar a mafia claim.

Hmm. Such a strong town read?

Yup.

[ChannelDelibird]

Also, Channel, I think you missed my question.

Channel: Do you have any opinions that you haven't shared?

Apologies for missing that. The answer is no, although as I say I owe this game some attention as there are things I've skimmed/ignored. Can I ask why you asked that to me specifically?

[ChannelDelibird]

CD, If I FakeDayVig somebody like Thor, can I be lynch-proof too?

The action itself isn't always pro-town, but the specific one Thor did struck me as town in its timing and manner.

[ChannelDelibird]

Well, I never

explained

my opinion on Peregrine fully, actually, now that I realise, but I did at least share the opinion. I'll make clearing that up part of my catching up process.

[ChannelDelibird]

80% of posts are one-liners.

Succinctness is pro-town.

Mostly comments. Some questions.

This is fairly meaningless. Discuss more why this is bad.

Total scum found in 500 posts: Me.

I've expressed suspicion of Ant more than once and also said I'd happily lynch EP.

[ChannelDelibird]

Why does my vote not moving from you mean that you're the only person I think is scum?

[ChannelDelibird]

I don't see why we need a deadline extension. Twenty pages is enough to go on for one day.

Will be doing that catching up later this afternoon.

[ChannelDelibird]

OK, I'm rereading the whole game and writing this post as I go through. Let's start with explaining why I'm voting for Peregrine at the moment:

This post is why my vote moved there immediately. Peregrine declined to comment on the RC/Thor early game interaction which IMO was the first definable thing that happened in the game and instead made a spampost with a funny image. He also said "Let's hear everyone else's cases", which struck me as a little weird, seeing as his case was a funny image - seemed like he was encouraging more random spam rather than getting on with the game. I found it interesting, so I moved my vote to him. I didn't make any further comment because I wanted to see if/how he/others would react to it.

This post by Ant was the first interesting reaction I got, once I "bumped" my vote. This is the sort of post that I've let scum get away with before - in which I vote or announce suspicion on someone without elaboration and a scum goes "yeah, I had a funny feeling too" or similar to try and look like they're sharing my thought process. This is a big part of why I think Ant is likely scum.

Peregrine then makes this post after a few pages away. He makes a point of commenting only on the fact that I am voting for him and also some references to the early page spam shenangians. Nothing else.

Then he jumps on the Thor wagon when a couple of other people do. Exploitative.

Then all of a sudden he doesn't want Thor wagoned. It's not as if anything in between his vote and unvote actually came from Thor, or had any reasons from anyone as to why he shouldn't be being wagoned after all.

Meanwhile, Ant no longer seems to have found Peregrine suspicious after all.

This is a really interesting post from Ant, in that it

looks

like he's saying something, but he's actually not saying anything at all. He's trying to look as if he has a reaction to the fake daykill without actually giving an opinion.

In this post,, Ant makes excuses for lurkers (which he can potentially refer to later when a lurking scumbuddy comes up for suspicion). His Peregrine vote is quite interesting and I'm not sure what to make of it either way (reluctant to draw any direct connections between anyone before we get a scumflip, anyway).

Ant does get town points for giving opinions on everyone unsolicited. Gives me pause.

I've already pointed out why I think the second part of this Peregrine post is scummy, but the first part of it is, too. See Peregrine straddle the fence with expert precision refusing to make a stand either side of the RC/dana debate.

This ReaperCharlie post stood out weirdly on reread. He complains that I didn't comment on dana's iso read and subsequent vote on Peregrine then uses it as evidence that dana and I are scumbuddies. He also says that "only stupid town or scum confirm vote" which is such an incredible generalisation (I mean, blatantly false). Yes, he has the audacity to call

me

a "tunneling townie". This is RC who's been going after dana all game on pretty much no reasoning.

Back to Peregrine, and this post shows him simply dimissing a reasoned explanation from me about the psychology of scum players and why I thought one of his posts was worded in a way more likely to come from scum than town as "opinion". He also says he wants to avoid "post wars", which appears to mean "having any kind of discussion with the people who are voting for me at all".

tl;dr:

Peregrine is scum. Everything Ant has done makes me think he's scum apart from this post which came out of nowhere to give an opinion on everyone and now makes me really unsure. RC is on my radar now.

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In other news, nothing about the dana wagon makes me want to be on it.

Next I will look at EP and Ragna, if they're the alternatives to a dana lynch. But seriously, Peregrine is a scumbag. We should be lynching him today.

[ChannelDelibird]

Unofficial Vote Count

danakillsu (2): PerigrineV, mikeburnfire
Energetic Penguin (2): Magua, Thor
Ant_to_the_max (1): ooba
Ragnarokio (1): Mastermind of Sin
Thor665 (1): Ragnarokio
ReaperCharlie (1): MarchHare
Magua (1): ReaperCharlie
mikeburnfire (1): danakillsu
PerigrineV (1): ChannelDelibird

Not Voting (1): Energetic Penguin

[ChannelDelibird]

Ugh. I spent a long time writing this post because I have had trouble expressing myself calmly and rationally.

He also said "Let's hear everyone else's cases", which struck me as a little weird, seeing as his case was a funny image - seemed like he was encouraging more random spam rather than getting on with the game.

So in effect I was asking them to restate thier cases and take down the randomness level but making them think about thier votes, and you decided that I was encouraging more random spam? So you ignored the actual words I wrote? Or did you merely apply new meaning to the existing words?

When you say "let's hear everyone else's cases" after announcing that your idea of a case at that point was one penguin slapping another one in the back of the head, that looked like encouraging random cases to me.

However, it looks like you're saying here that you were making some kind of sarcastic point in that post about how everyone's cases for votes at the time were about as good as penguin gifs and thereby challenging people to raise their games, and that's something that I completely didn't get from it but can see it now that you've explained it, so I'm prepared to retract that criticism.

I found it interesting, so I moved my vote to him. I didn't make any further comment because I wanted to see if/how he/others would react to it.

This post by Ant was the first interesting reaction I got, once I "bumped" my vote. This is the sort of post that I've let scum get away with before - in which I vote or announce suspicion on someone without elaboration and a scum goes "yeah, I had a funny feeling too" or similar to try and look like they're sharing my thought process. This is a big part of why I think Ant is likely scum.

Peregrine then makes this post after a few pages away. He makes a point of commenting only on the fact that I am voting for him and also some references to the early page spam shenangians. Nothing else.

Meanwhile, back in the Bird-Cave, CDB composes his own nefarious post in this time frame, and posts it!

Nothing else.

In the post you linked to, I think it's fairly obvious that I'm asking for other players to look at you to see if they see what I'm seeing. By asking MarchHare to stop acting like Ythan was his main, I meant that I wanted him to stop posting loads of tiny little posts, thereby reducing spam levels. By contrast, in this post, you're actually encouraging spam by making more jokes about the long-dead RVS.

Then he jumps on the Thor wagon when a couple of other people do. Exploitative.

Inside joke.

So, after 7 pages of game, you joined a fast-moving bandwagon because of an inside joke?

Then all of a sudden he doesn't want Thor wagoned. It's not as if anything in between his vote and unvote actually came from Thor, or had any reasons from anyone as to why he shouldn't be being wagoned after all.

Yes, Thor was at L-1, and one more vote would lynch him. I didn't actually want him lynched, as he seems pretty townish. So why keep him at L-1 and make it easy for someone to do? And you agree with me,

but

, it's still part of your arguement about why I'm scum?

Just because I think Thor is town (and for the record, at the time I was actually of this opinion rather than the one you linked to) doesn't mean that you unvoting Thor can't be scummy, and you don't get to say that just because you made an action that objectively made Thor less liable to death then I shouldn't find the details of it scummy. That's a fallacy. Given the circumstances - you had just voted for Thor a few posts ago in a manner that did not at all make it obvious that it was some kind of loljoke - suddenly jumping off him again looked really weird.

Meanwhile, Ant no longer seems to have found Peregrine suspicious after all.

This is a really interesting post from Ant, in that it

looks

like he's saying something, but he's actually not saying anything at all. He's trying to look as if he has a reaction to the fake daykill without actually giving an opinion.

In this post,, Ant makes excuses for lurkers (which he can potentially refer to later when a lurking scumbuddy comes up for suspicion). His Peregrine vote is quite interesting and I'm not sure what to make of it either way (reluctant to draw any direct connections between anyone before we get a scumflip, anyway).

Ant does get town points for giving opinions on everyone unsolicited. Gives me pause.

I've already pointed out why I think the second part of this Peregrine post is scummy, but the first part of it is, too. See Peregrine straddle the fence with expert precision refusing to make a stand either side of the RC/dana debate.

So what I'm hearing is that in your opinion my post was anti-town and mafia-team inspired because I refused to take either Danakillsu or ReaperCharlie's side in a debate they were having?
Well, since it's your opinion, you can't really be wrong, now can you? However, I might point out your opinion has it's roots in faulty reasoning. People are allowed to debate without my interjecting anything. They are allowed to do this anytime. I am allowed to interject, if I so desire. I can do this at any time. I can interject, and state my feelings, thoughts, opinions, etc. They can be my own and not mirror one of the debaters. Or they can wholly or partially match the side of one of the debaters.
For the record, my stand on that debate is the same as CDB. Please provide the link so we both know where we both stand.

Not exactly. What I'm saying is that you made a point of wading into the debate in order to come down square on the middle of the fence with your options wide open. You said "I doubt RC's intentions but I like his case on dana" - looks a lot like you're trying to give yourself room to manoeuvre later if the dana wagon gets serious. I didn't say you couldn't interject on the debate, but you had nothing to contribute to either side. You just wanted to look like you were having an opinion without having one.

This ReaperCharlie post stood out weirdly on reread. He complains that I didn't comment on dana's iso read and subsequent vote on Peregrine then uses it as evidence that dana and I are scumbuddies. He also says that "only stupid town or scum confirm vote" which is such an incredible generalisation (I mean, blatantly false). Yes, he has the audacity to call

me

a "tunneling townie". This is RC who's been going after dana all game on pretty much no reasoning.

Back to Peregrine, and this post shows him simply dimissing a reasoned explanation from me about the psychology of scum players and why I thought one of his posts was worded in a way more likely to come from scum than town as "opinion". He also says he wants to avoid "post wars", which appears to mean "having any kind of discussion with the people who are voting for me at all".

I believe the post shows that I am pointing out that you are expressing opinions and expect us, the readers, to take them as fact. You do it again in the sentence above. You are the only person voting me, and it took you 3 weeks and 20 pages to put up a case, half of which is your suspicions of other players, and you would like "discussion" on it?
OK. Here it is.
I see your opinion, and dismiss it entirely since I know my own alignment.

I'm not trying to force anyone to accept my opinions as fact. I never said that I was offering anything other than an opinion, but I gave reasons why I held that opinion based on the psychology of playing scum, and your rebuttal to those reasons were "that's an opinion". Of course it is! Telling me that it's just an opinion doesn't somehow make that opinion more baseless.

Again I have a problem with how you are representing me here - why do you say "a case, half of which is your suspicions of other players"? That post was my catchup post of the entire thread, it wasn't all about you, obviously. At the top of the post I said "let's start with explaining my vote on Peregrine" and that was what I started with, but it wasn't saying that everything that followed was part of why I was voting for you. You're trying to make out like the points that I brought up against you are less valid because I also talked about some other people in the same post.

Mafia is about opinions. Expressing yours and examining others. Giving reasons for yours so that you can convince other people to agree with them. I've given opinions. I've given reasons behind them. You keep dismissing those opinions out of hand for being opinions rather than engage with me about the reasons behind them.

Ugh. I want to bang my head against a wall. Whether it's deliberate or just natural personality friction between us, you are really getting under my skin. I don't want to insult you, and I don't want to get so worked up about this that I get biased. Parts of your last post felt more townish than your previous ones. Other parts I'm trying to decide if they're scummy or if I just want them to be because they're working me up. I hate these kinds of wallposts, but I feel like I have to make one here because I feel like you're misrepresenting me either deliberately or through misunderstanding. I am also having a bit of trouble expressing myself and hope that everything in this post is clear and understandable.

Apologies in advance if I come across as a dick in this or future posts.

[ChannelDelibird]

Eh, I previewed that about a million times but I still feel like there are some things I can't quite put my finger on that I haven't said properly or addressed or made clear or eehrdhmlrmsh. My head's in a bad way at the moment.

[ChannelDelibird]

OK, I'm second-guessing everything now. Am I getting tangled up in the Peregrine thing because of a culture clash rather than because of his alignment? Is that suddenly-here's-my-thoughts-on-everyone post Ant made enough to not lynch him today? Am I ignoring someone like ooba because I like him and would prefer him to be town?

Feck. The only read I'm confident on at the moment is that Thor is town. That better not fucking backfire on me later.

[ChannelDelibird]

OK. Thanks. I am probably getting a little too dramatic. ^_^

Coupla things:

1) I suspect some of the stuff about opinions is made worse because of tone not coming across so well in text than it does in speech. The way you addressed it in the above post makes it a lot clearer why you're saying what you are, and I kind of feel a little silly for making such a big deal of it when it's kind of obvious that you would be seeing it the way you do. I think part of why your reaction to my opinions bugged me is that not a lot of other players discussed what I was saying.

2) I wasn't trying to have a go at you for ever joining the Thor wagon. Well, actually in my big wallpost apparently I did. All I can say is that I think I was trying to turn that into a reason to suspect you because you were bugging me. Joining the wagon for an injoke wasn't all that scummy (I don't think it was particularly clever or useful, though) - the only part that I found scummy was the circumstances of you coming off it. However, now that the injoke thing is clear, the unvote probably makes sense too.

Eh, most of the reasons I had a problem with you are basically explained now. My vote on you seems outdated.

Unvote

Of course, now I have to find somewhere else to put it. Next choice would be Ant, but that one damn post... not yet. If a bunch of votes go his way before deadline, I'll jump on so we can have a lynch. But I don't often get so strong a read from one single post as I did with his opinions-for-all one. It's not the content, it's just the fact that it existed at all from nowhere.

I haven't done that EP and Ragna read yet, so I'll do that next and see what I find. Might do ooba as well, not because I've noticed anything scummy from him at all, but because I haven't been looking and this whole argument with Peregrine has made me reconsider the way I approach each player.

[ChannelDelibird]

Will hopefully have time to look at EP (more pressingly) and Ragna tonight, but depends on what happens with RadioScum Skype Mafia tonight.

[ChannelDelibird]

Maybe the rational thought process in which he accepts that it is obviously better to lynch a null-read than no-lynch.

[ChannelDelibird]

How is saying that if his top suspect doesn't have enough votes before the deadline that he'll switch to someone he's not sure on in order to ensure town gets a lynch a bad thing?

Like, seriously. Town needs lynches. There's obviously not much of a consensus. It's entirely reasonable of dana to say that.

[ChannelDelibird]

How is saying that if his top suspect doesn't have enough votes before the deadline that he'll switch to someone he's not sure on in order to ensure town gets a lynch a bad thing?

Like, seriously. Town needs lynches. There's obviously not much of a consensus. It's entirely reasonable of dana to say that.

I find it suspicious that dana only has one suspect in this entire game.

That doesn't invalidate the rationale.

[ChannelDelibird]

Vote: Energetic Penguin

Reread will have to wait an hour or so. The vote can't.

[ChannelDelibird]

That reread might not be able to happen tonight after all, I'm afraid. Apologies for not getting it done while it was still looking like a straight choice between Ragna and EP.

MoS is still wrong on that dana post, I hope RC has changed his mind on it now that he realises the deadline is about to hit.

I've already said what I think of Ant.

[ChannelDelibird]

So you've mentioned.

[ChannelDelibird]

Not voting dana today.

[ChannelDelibird]

Uh, yeah. Not sure why you're linking me to MD threads that have nothing to do with anything I've said.

I'm not voting dana today.

[ChannelDelibird]

On my list of people to look at again:

Ragna
ooba
MoS

Will openly ponder why RC might have been killed shortly. Towns don't do that enough these days.

[ChannelDelibird]

Apologies. RL stuff. Plenty of time today though so will be reading and posting in a bit.

[ChannelDelibird]

Eh. Really sorry for promising and not delivering. Will reread as soon as I can.

ooba's last post reads fairly townish but contains no explanation of why my behaviour is more likely to be scum linking himself to town than it is to be town.

[ChannelDelibird]

That seems like the sort of thing you'd decide was happening from an iso read rather than a full game read. Pretty sure that at the times that I made the respective posts, the RC/Thor thing, the Thor wagon and Thor's fake dayvig were the main events happening. It made sense to be commenting on them.

[ChannelDelibird]

@CDB- You seemed to have a lot to say day 1, and said you had more, but would like to hear more.

I apologise profusely, been a little bit busy over the last few days but I intend to pay back that posting debt I owe you guys very soon. If you don't hear more from me this weekend, lynch me.

[ChannelDelibird]

Oshit. Sorry. I am still here. Will have something for you this evening hopefully.

[ChannelDelibird]

OK, massive, massive apologies for failing my own ultimatum yesterday. I got back from staying with the girlfriend the night before last and just didn't find time while I was there. I'll be reading and posting thoughts tonight after my exams, I promise. If that doesn't happen, I'll replace out, but I wanna be in this game so I shall make the effort.