TT; Book 1: Bible Verse Mafia - Game over!

[Flying Dutchman]

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There are SIX players voting for me who haven't posted since the deadline was implemented 3 days ago. I feel like I'm about to die because people are too lazy to post and unvote.....

[Dragon Phoenix]

Just so everyone knows, I'm not voting for Dutchman because of an investigation, I just think he's really scummy, and he hasn't done anything since I started pretending I had a guilty investigation on him to convince me otherwise.

I wish people did not do that.

Unvote Flying Dutchman

[VisMaior]

mith, you just like that FD refused to claim. I think you two are building up this "we dont claim out of principle" thing nicely. Still, not claiming is bad play, I think.

[mith]

Sentence 1: Yes, I liked it so much that I said I was willing to vote for him... until CA gave his disclaimer.

Sentence 2: I'm not sure how you meant this, but the implication is that this is a sudden thing due to our roles in this game. I guess you wouldn't know how I play, but that's still one heck of a leap. That, and I've been strongly agaisnt day 1 claims *in this very thread* long before the FD bandwagon.

Sentence 3: You are welcome to argue about it, rather than hiding behind "it's bad play". I've already ranted about it a little bit to LyingBrian, you can use that as a starting point.

Though, as a warning, if we do argue about role-claim-frenzy inHim will probably tell me I'm acting "high and mighty" again by the end of it.

[mith]

"against". Bah.

[VisMaior]

I see. I think it is bad play because it is safe play for scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I just wanna kill him. 8)

[RoadBird]

w00t! 4 votes on day one. I think that's a record for me.

[armlx]

The one thing I hate more then fake cop resulting to lynch someone is not claiming... vote stands.

[mith]

I've been having internet troubles all day and when it's been working I've been mystery hunting. Will respond (not that there's much to respond to) tomorrow hopefully.

[Iammars]

Please see V/LA Thread.

[LyingBrian]

on any other day, i don't like random bandwagons, but i've never seen any major scum tells that didn't come from a random bandwagon or two... we really don't have any good discussion that i can analyze as "scummy" or not "scummy"... i tend to agree w/ VisMaior that someone not claiming when they are 1 vote from lynch is "suspicious", but i also understand the meta-game & in-game reasons for not claiming...

@mith
i'm not sure what "generational" clash you were talking about... you are more experienced, and i seriously respect you for that... i doubt you're THAT much older than me though...

[Flying Dutchman]

So be it. I'm not claiming, and I don't want to wait 48 hours untill I'm lynched at the deadline, as that will only make this day a needless 2 days longer.

Vote: Flying Dutchman

Goodbye, town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

good riddance o.O O.o

[mith]

I see. I think it is bad play because it is safe play for scum.

How is it safe? In the current setting, not claiming when bandwagoned gets most people lynched.

Anyway, that doesn't really address my claim that forcing claims early in the game is bad for the town (and the game in general).

i'm not sure what "generational" clash you were talking about... you are more experienced, and i seriously respect you for that... i doubt you're THAT much older than me though...

Heh... unless I'm mistaken, you are actually older than me.

No, all I meant is that it has been a while since I played a significant number of games, and the current state of the metagame is not what it was when I played a lot. Thus, for now, I must keep in mind that I might be seeing your playstyle as scummy because of that shift, not because it is inherently scummy.

[mith]

I might have to go back to my Vader avatar.

[Cadmium]

Vote count:

9 Flying Dutchman (Commodore Amazing, inHimshallibe, PeaceBringer, Fritzler, PookyTheMagicalBear, armlx, Coron, RoadBird, Flying Dutchman)

4 RoadBird (EnderX, Thoth, VitaminR, mith)
1 armlx (Kerplunk)
2 LyingBrian (VisMaior, Fuldu)

not voting (3): Dragon Phoenix, Iammars, LyingBrian

10 to lynch.

deadline:

19 Jan 2006 10:00 am MST

[Dragon Phoenix]

Someone who votes for him or herself in a situation like this should be taken out.

Vote Flying Dutchman

Bye.

[Cadmium]

But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die.

Flying Dutchman - Hosea 2:6 - lynched

It is now night 2, deadline:

20 Jan 2006 10:00 am MST

[Cadmium]

The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

Armlx - Acts 20:26 - struck to death with an iron object
PeaceBringer -

Numbers 35:16

- perished to death

It is now day 2, with 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

[mith]

Hey, the "nice play" tell strikes again!

For my convenience:

Job 14:13

"If only you would hide me in the grave
and conceal me till your anger has passed!
If only you would set me a time
and then remember me!

Hosea 2:6

Therefore I will block her path with thornbushes;
I will wall her in so that she cannot find her way.

Acts 20:26

Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of all men.

Numbers 35:16

" 'If a man strikes someone with an iron object so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall be put to death.

Flying Dutchman was likely a roleblocker. armlx's verse doesn't help much. PeaceBringer's suggests that the scum each have a different kill method (and that PeaceBringer killed armlx, of course). And I am terribly amused at "perished to death".

Obligatory

FOS: Commodore Amazing

, if only for bad play. I'll have to take a closer look at him later, along with everyone else on the bandwagon. One thing I am particularly curious about is those players that didn't post at all between CA's post on the 12th (denying he had an investigation) and FD's death on the 17th: PeaceBringer (dead scum), Fritzler, and Coron. Both Fritzler and Coron were active during those five days, I find the lack of comment disturbing. (Could also throw in Roadbird here, who posted but didn't address CA's comment.)

[Commodore Amazing]

Sorry, Flying Dutchman.

It's possible that "perished to death" is a vig. Also possible bad guy killer; it's a shame that Flying Dutchman didn't leave any clue about who he blocked night one.

I'll start with a

vote: PookyTheMagicalBear

.

[Fuldu]

I didn't like LyingBrian yesterday and I see no reason to change that view.

vote: LyingBrian

[PeaceBringer]

bah- bah -bah

[EnderX]

A question, based on the verses used: Peacebringer's Numbers reference, and the bit of night commentary, both seem to indicate this, but I could be far off...

Is there any kind of kamikaze scum role anywhere in the normal list of roles?

As to today's suspicions, I'm still leaning toward Roadbird, but I'm going to reread everything before I vote.