Choose Your Side: A Monument of Sins - Game Over!

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: PranaDevil

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Benmage

I picked town because I play the best as town and it keeps me more involved. Simple as that.

[DemonHybrid]

I was actually having a discussion to my friend about W/L ratios not 5 minutes ago and how group play heavily affects ratios. I find scum less fun to play. I find town a blast to play and I feel as if I'm a better player, even if I'm on the losing side. I like puzzles and I dislike deceiving others.

Winning because your teammates carry you doesn't give you the same gratification that losing while playing an amazing game does.

[DemonHybrid]

3) You are walking alone down a dark alley. A man confronts you and says, "give me your wallet." Your wallet has approximately $200 in it. You have two options: give the man your wallet, OR cause the man to spontaneously combust, killing him instantly. Which do you choose?

Subtle rolefishing. Do not like.

Unvote, Vote: Andrius

[DemonHybrid]

For the record, I've never played with AGM, and I would have voted him for the same reasoning.

A question: How many of these players have AGM played with/asked those questions to? Same goes with you; how many of these players have you played with and asked these questions to in past games?

[DemonHybrid]

DH you were pretty involved in the games we were scum.

RQS is lame. I already moved this game past that stuff.

Gorrad's Fictional Chars Mafia and the Vanillaside say otherwise. I played terribly; in the latter, RC carried me.

[DemonHybrid]

Or did you mean the one and only game in which we were scum (He-who-shall-not-be-named's Mafia in Somewhere)?

[DemonHybrid]

Maemuki, UK, Me, MoI, Ani, CSL, Espeonage were all in the original Comedy of Whims. Tragedy played in the Marathon game.

Were they asked that set of questions?

[DemonHybrid]

Or did you mean the one and only game in which we were scum (He-who-shall-not-be-named's Mafia in Somewhere)?

Sorry; BBM's Large Normal, too. I was fucking horrid in that game, especially in the endgame. EPM carried us until Antihero offed him.

So no. I do not play a good scum game.

[DemonHybrid]

DH: We were ALL answered those Q's.

Then why are you asking them again?

[DemonHybrid]

What purpose do they serve?

[DemonHybrid]

ESPEONAGE. ARE YOU A MAN OF GONDOR? I DO NOT ASSOCIATE WITH ORC RABBLE.

FoS: DH

Asking many questions, providing little in the ways of answers. I still like Tragedy-scum the best though.

Espeonage mis-spelled "innocence". Must be scum. (In all honesty, I WANT you to be town, but your record says otherwise. )

BOROMIR IS NOT A GAY FAG. HE IS A LOYAL MAN OF GONDOR DESIGNED TO SHOW THE CORRUPTION AND DOUBT WITHIN ALL OF US.

I don't like your 4 questions. I gave you an answer way before I asked my questions.

[DemonHybrid]

Dude, just answer the questions or we lynch you out of malice.

i ^ 2 = 53

I'm sorry, who are you speaking to?

[DemonHybrid]

I'm not going to answer those questions.

[DemonHybrid]

Town answers those questions. You don't answer them, we lynch you. Plain and simple.

P-Edit: Works for me.

Vote: DH

I'm not answering them because, according to Andrius, they have been asked before and serve no purpose other than to put scum on the right track with finding the strongest PRs. They are terrible questions to answer, at least, the 3rd one.

Can you tell me what good can come from them? How many people are going to answer "Oh, I submitted scum"? How many people are going to say they didn't get their alignment even though AGM clearly said everyone IS going to get their alignment regardless of how many people request each side of the alignment?

They are ANTI-TOWN questions. They're awful, and I'm not fucking answering them.

[DemonHybrid]

1) What side did you request?
2) Was your request granted?
3) You are walking alone down a dark alley. A man confronts you and says, "give me your wallet." Your wallet has approximately $200 in it. You have two options: give the man your wallet, OR cause the man to spontaneously combust, killing him instantly. Which do you choose?
4) If you knew you wouldn't get caught, would you cheat to win a game where there was nothing at stake but your reputation?

Again, I stress the need to know the

actual point

of these.

#1 is obviously going to be "town", unless it's a joke answer.
#2 is obviously going to be "yes", unless it's a lie.
#3 is going to feed scum subtle role information due to psychological subtleties and character information.
#4 just doesn't have a fucking point.

Maybe I'm just not seeing something or maybe you guys just don't even care about giving extraneous information that should not be shared to everyone in plain sight. I'd like other opinions.

P-Edit: Interesting, lets see what this curse does.

P-Edit 2: Read this post. And how dare you use Blackest Night as an example of an approval for those questions. smh.

My point is that it gives almost no information, but instead subtly outs information that shouldn't get out to scum. There is just no good to outweigh the bad.

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predit: Why the hell can't I use BNM? You weren't even in the game! lol

I've read it and it's a terrible example to use. It ended up terribly.

That's digressing; do you think in a game where one can choose his side and 100% will get what he chooses, asking "What side did you pick and did you get it" actually gains you valuable information, no matter how subtle?

[DemonHybrid]

As for you, you're doing a great job of kickstarting the game with needless bickering about something utterly pointless at this stage. If you are town it will only serve to distract town from actual scum hunting and force them to look at you, while also allowing scum to fly by under the radar with ease. Of course, if you're scum, which I think you may well be at the moment, you can keep going so all focus is on you, and we'll lynch you quite nicely and get the game off to a good start.

Food for thought: You said yourself that if I am scum, then I'm setting up myself nicely by completely going against everyone's whims and refusing to answer the questions. You know that I have 21 games of experience under my belt. What scum motivation can you find for me to

continue

to forcibly question the validity of the questions and point out how anti-town they are in order to prevent scum gaining an informational advantage? I'm obviously risking my life to bring that point across; can you figure out why?

[DemonHybrid]

DH: That's WIFOM

Unvote, Vote: Myself

Unvote, Vote: Tragedy

Kairi isn't arractive at all.

Funny, I didn't know that analyzing motivation was WIFOM, pretty valid boilerplate you played there.

@Andrius: Am I correct in stating that AGM was a third party player in the last game, and that he was the one who asked the questions? It's not about having a bad attitude, it's about preventing an informational advantage.

[DemonHybrid]

PranaDevil's vote on DH is spot-on. More votes to DH, please.

<33333

Unvote, Vote: Espeonage

Unvote, Vote: Tragedy

REAL MEN PROTECT PRINCESSES.

Where's your vote then, hotshot?

[DemonHybrid]

Not to mention that I'm "leaning" scum to you:

DH is leaning scum.

Instead of stating right out "-Vote: DH, I believe he's scum" and THEN calling for more votes. You're not consistent and I don't like it.

[DemonHybrid]

Tragedy is obvscum. And since she likely submitted some form of anime character, I'd put my money on her having some sort of quirky power role.
I'd vote you in a heartbeat, DH.
But Tragady is much more obvscum than you. Even if he hasn't posted.

Its page 4. I'm not rushing into a definite scumread on someone I've never seen play before before the other 80% of the players get here, including obvscum Tragedy. lol

You have to be kidding, right?

Here is some information, and you would rather vote for a player that hasn't even posted, but you still call for more votes on me?

[DemonHybrid]

Andrius, please move your vote from Tragedy over to me.

[DemonHybrid]

Fair enough.

[DemonHybrid]

On that note, I need some sleep. For the record, Epsy, I'm well aware of how the game is supposed to be played.

[DemonHybrid]

What. 4 pages overnight?

vote: DH

btw, because he RVSed three times on page one. Even RVSing twice is a pretty damn big scumtell... but thrice? Die.

I want to know where the hell you get this tell information.

Plus, my Andrius vote wasn't even RVS; Benmage's vote was putting my RVS vote on the right track.

@DH: Well, except for the part where you're risking your life to be dumb, quite frankly. And your crusade against the information is really pointless, and doesn't really advance the town cause in any way. Instead you SHOULD be scumhunting.

I've been scumhunting along with my hatred of those questions.

#3 is subtle rolefishing because you'd expect someone who is powerless (like a goon, or a vanilla townie, or a rather weak character) to answer to give him the wallet, but a stronger character with a potential PR (like a superhero, a monster, etc) to blast him. Yes, it has a LOT to do with the role and I don't like it, but you should focus on the fact that I'm grilling Andrius for not giving a shit about my lynch but still supporting it.

@DH: Third party != mafia, or necessarily scum. AGM was a cult leader IIRC. They have different informational desires than scum.

Yes, but third party is

still not town

.

@DH: BECAUSE INCONSISTENCY IS SCUMMY LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

No.

Explain this.

No, its not.

Read above.

This is perhaps the stupidest thing I have seen lately. How are those questions Role-fishing in the least? I want reasons. Question 3 is a hypothetical situation that has NOTHING to do with the roles people received.

Ok, I saw your reasoning. It’s crap.

Read above.

[DemonHybrid]

I was never suspicious of Prana.

@MoI: obviously, you aren't very well versed in psychology if you don't believe that answering that has something to do with the role the players picked.

I don't like the following players: Parama, Andruis, Benmage. CSL, Prana and LLD are town, MoI I'm unsure of but leaning town; as an aside, I don't think he'd pick scum twice, but that certainly is not the basis of my read. Just a supplement.

[DemonHybrid]

On the droid, but here's one example of many: in regards to me, you chose an unreliable tell to vote over instead of commenting of the pages of my play on the table. You certainly aren't doing that good of a job hunting.

[DemonHybrid]

DH: Why do you think town would OMGUS, ignore questions and post nothing by rhetoric?

I'm assuming you're talking about Prana?

[DemonHybrid]

DH: Why do you think town would OMGUS, ignore questions and post nothing by rhetoric?

I'm assuming you're talking about Prana?

Pretend its just a general comment.

Because maybe what others think is OMGUS and rhetorical information are just misinterpreted statements/frustration. It's situational.

But lets cut the nonspecifics.

No, I'm saying that because I responded to something a player asked, when I was first reading through, =/= scum.

Also, you do realize there's going to be more than a single scum right? I'm voting for other scum at the moment.

Doesn't mean I can't find others while I'm doing so does it? Or are you saying I should only ever focus on a single player at a time and vote them solely if I believe them scum, even if I believe someone else is scum as well?

Oookay.

That bolded is absolutely true and a big town tell.

[DemonHybrid]

What. 4 pages overnight?

vote: DH

btw, because he RVSed three times on page one. Even RVSing twice is a pretty damn big scumtell... but thrice? Die.

I want to know where the hell you get this tell information.

Plus, my Andrius vote wasn't even RVS; Benmage's vote was putting my RVS vote on the right track.

@DH: Well, except for the part where you're risking your life to be dumb, quite frankly. And your crusade against the information is really pointless, and doesn't really advance the town cause in any way. Instead you SHOULD be scumhunting.

I've been scumhunting along with my hatred of those questions.

#3 is subtle rolefishing because you'd expect someone who is powerless (like a goon, or a vanilla townie, or a rather weak character) to answer to give him the wallet, but a stronger character with a potential PR (like a superhero, a monster, etc) to blast him. Yes, it has a LOT to do with the role and I don't like it, but you should focus on the fact that I'm grilling Andrius for not giving a shit about my lynch but still supporting it.

@DH: Third party != mafia, or necessarily scum. AGM was a cult leader IIRC. They have different informational desires than scum.

Yes, but third party is

still not town

.

@DH: BECAUSE INCONSISTENCY IS SCUMMY LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

No.

Explain this.

No, its not.

Read above.

This is perhaps the stupidest thing I have seen lately. How are those questions Role-fishing in the least? I want reasons. Question 3 is a hypothetical situation that has NOTHING to do with the roles people received.

Ok, I saw your reasoning. It’s crap.

Read above.

^ is correct.

[DemonHybrid]

That was UK's post DH, not mine.

Reading is tech.

I get you two mixed up all the time. FML.

[DemonHybrid]

Maybe if 49 of you didn't have anime avatars of girls with pink hair, I wouldn't be mixing people up =P

[DemonHybrid]

What WOULD be good to bring out on the table is to reveal who's votes cost AP so we know who's avoiding voting or not, at least, in my opinion. I don't know how many of you would agree with that or not.

[DemonHybrid]

Maybe if all of your avatars weren't

anime chicks

, people would have an easier time telling you guys apart.

anime chicks

[DemonHybrid]

I don't use AP to vote as well, so expect a lot of voting and a lot of pressure coming from me. If there are a fraction of players that are limited to only some votes, then I'm going to make up for that.

I would agree with those that say I was being stubborn, as an aside. I would hope that along with my stubbornness, I was trying to get across a point. But it would be useless lingering on the questions at this point, so consider the subject dropped.

@UK: Reasoning for my reads:

Andrius - for what I explained earlier. Not going to be fooled by a post restriction.
Parama - for what I said earlier; he's not scumhunting at all (at least, very minimally) and posting to get on everyone's good side instead.
Benmage - Posted super fast in the early stage of this day. Asked a couple of questions to get us to discuss theory and meta, and then disappeared. Bad timing and I don't see the good in his motives.

The LLD read was actually supposed to be YOU, UK (my bad, the avatar mixup). LLD is leaning town.
CSL - Scumhunting and with a brash tone. This may be a gut thing more than anything else at this point; I want to get this in the open now, since there'll be a lack of information from CSL due to vote restrictions.
Prana - The point that I bolded. Seems to be cautious and I find genuineness in his suspicion of me.

MoI - The wagonhop from him has been blatant. I felt that he deserved an explanation of how I felt, plus the post was in reply to him, so I felt like he needed to be included.

UK: I also didn't include Espy, Empking, ani or Maemuki at the time either. I felt like I had the most interaction with these players so far (and yes, you too, but avatar mixup) and I felt like they needed addressing. I don't want to delve too deep into reads at this point in time, but I will flesh them out as time goes on.

My apologies for the mixup.

[DemonHybrid]

DH: Thanks for the OMGUS.

Thanks for sitting around uselessly!

...
IT'S NOT EVEN 24 HOURS INTO DAY 1, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

He's right.

[DemonHybrid]

As in, MoI is right.

[DemonHybrid]

Scummy inconsistency is scummy.

What, to you, differentiates scummy inconsistency from normal inconsistency? Unless he has a vote restriction (which he doesn't), there was no reason at that time to keep a vote on a player that hadn't posted yet. That should be an indication that I am trying to hunt scum for real, and not in a bullshit way like these kinds of games seem to direct people.

@Parama: We already know that you suspect me, derp. You are missing the point; who else have you questioned? Who else do you suspect? Your play has been useless and a wall would be useless because it's not hunting other scum; you're tunneling.

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MoI: If you had to pick someone who you thought was scum out of the players who DID answer Andrius, who would you pick and why?

Quench my curiosity here.

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@DH: I have already said that I am voting nobody but you until you're either modconfirmed town or dead.

It'd be useless to call out my other suspicions

, but if I had to make a reasonless list, it'd include Andrius, CSL, Tragedy, and Prana.

Reasons come only if you ask.

I will not be voting any of them today anyways.

I don't answer some RQS questions and that makes me scum? Wow, your scumhunting is pro, MoI.
And I hope you're not 4 for 4, because I have some pretty good avatars I can give you to humiliate you. With Empking on that list, I see almost no way for you to be right

First bolded: It is most certainly not useless. You're missing the point and until you answer my response to the 2nd bolded, yes, your play is useless.

Second bolded: I'm asking.

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Attacking someone for disappearing when they have been gone LESS THAN 24 hours is bad. Not everyone plays on your personal schedule.

That wasn't my point. Pay attention.

Posted super fast in the early stage of this day. Asked a couple of questions to get us to

discuss theory and meta, and then disappeared.

Um, whut? He’s posting to get on everyone’s good side? Please point out where he is doing so.

He agreed with a wagon, started tunneling me and started naming "This person is town" reads without reasoning, so yes, he's trying to get on peoples' good sides until he actually does some freaking scumhunting.

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Please justify that since I voted for you IN MY VERY FIRST POST OF THE GAME. Very hard to portray me as hopping on opportunistically unde that circumstance, puny human.

I also never said the hop was opportunistic. I said it was blatant, and it was a wagonhop. My mouth is already filled with enough words, you don't need to stuff more in there.

[DemonHybrid]

Do me a favor and explain again whatever you "Explained earlier". I want it in one place. CSL isn't scumhunting, he's active lurking. Sure fooled you though. Fair enough on all the reads you DID explain there.

I feel like Andrius asking those questions is a ruse to gain PR information. I don't like his Tragedy tunneling.

Parama...well, I already explained enough about him this page. Just read my posts on this page.

First of all, how does "no real reason to keep his vote" there make him scum? You STILL haven't explained this. Secondly, scummy inconsistency is far more convenient inconsistency that they hope gets overlooked. I don't see that here.

You don't think that keeping his vote on a weak player like Tragedy would allow him to melt into the background? It's inconsistent that he's pushing a wagon that's gaining speed but voting a player that hasn't even posted yet due to "this is what this person probably sent in". I don't like it and it shows that he just wants a lynch, and that's it.

[DemonHybrid]

@DH: Except he's been fairly active and posting lots. That's not fading back into the background. At all. Anyway, your Andrius read is terrible.

It's how I feel.

[DemonHybrid]

OK.
SO WHOEVER IS WHISPERING IN MY HEAD NEEDS TO STOP.

Evidentially I'm hearing voices and am "feeling compelled" to follow some post in which DH asks me to vote him.

No idea whether I should obey or not, but ALL I KNOW IS THAT

WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS

I WILL NOT GIVE IN TO THE WILL OF THE ONE RING.

Listen t'reason, mon ami.

[DemonHybrid]

Catching up later tonight. I've been super busy with schoolwork =(

[DemonHybrid]

Alright, let me get my bearings together and make a post. I finally have some downtime.

[DemonHybrid]

A lot of AP usage planning, back and forth. Unless there's something that someone direly needs me to comment on, I'm going to talk about it situationally.

1. I don't agree with your read on Emp.
2. I voted DH right away because he was and is obvious scum.
3. I've been pushing DH. The problem is...
4. If you want to call someone out for not doing anything, it should be DH, because he hasn't made a worthwhile post since tuesday.
5. So I can be town, scum, or third party? Nice deduction, Sherlock.

You obviously don't get why people have such a problem with you. With a game like this, and so many people with so many different weird quirky plays since the game started, you've obviously opted to tunnel on me and ONLY me, and only scumhunted when people actually pushes you to do so. Why can't you see why people have a problem with you?

The Zdenek and Empking back and forth: Empking comes out on top there. A good point about Zdenek being opinionless until this stage of the game, which is an important observation.

LLD's point against CSL is making me rethink my read on him.

I don't like Espeonage's impatientness.

I'm not the kind of guy who gives town points away when people agree with me, so my read on Benmage hasn't really changed.

[DemonHybrid]

Let's note that that's Zdenek's very first mention of me, ever.

For once, you actually made a good point against someone that DIDN'T involve me without someone holding your hand.

Vote: Zdenek

I don't have an AP restriction, so the pressure will do us good.

[DemonHybrid]

MoI, is Parama right in that you gave him a post restriction?

Why would you want to do that when we need

more

information from him?

[DemonHybrid]

Also:

Unvote, Vote: Parama

for LLD's investigation and Parama's confession.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm going to go with LLD on this one. Her logic for coming forth with that information makes sense and it would make sense that there would be SOMETHING in this game that prevents Empking from seeing it, provided that he's telling the truth.

[DemonHybrid]

Why are we voting Parama? Have you all been practicing being stupid or does it come naturally for all of you. THIRD PARTY IS NOT ANTI TOWN IN THESE GAMES. The fact that Parama has not been CCed on the handing out abilities leads me to believe the win con to. SO WE SHOULD LYNCH SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY GOING TO HURT TOWN.

I think I burst my head open headdesking.

Vampires can live on just chunky red cordial.

Well...if his wincon can coincide with town's, then I don't mind him living. I'd like confirmation from him in this regard.

Unvote

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Zdenek

, since I forgot to put my vote back onto him after reading the last page or two.

[DemonHybrid]

Don't forget the idiot wasting AP to talk to me and tell me to vote DH. Next time, you could at least claim some hokey investigation. Or tell me who you are. That'd be more convincing too. Instead of anonymous "vote DH plz hehehaha"

That might have been my ability. Remember when I asked you to vote me?

The less WIFOM that's created from that, the better. I see you in a more favorable light since then, so I figured I'd let you know what was up with that.

[DemonHybrid]

Since there are quite a few people who are suspicious of me, I'm going to partially claim. I'm a miller.

Haha.

[DemonHybrid]

There's no reason not to claim this at this point.

I was neighborized by Zdenek. Not masoned, neighbored.

He immediately claimed to me in our QT (which incidentally costs me 1 AP per post to post in). His claim included a miller claim.

This was back before the Parama investigation that this happened.

When did he tell you this? Like, give us the timestamp.

[DemonHybrid]

V/LA until Sunday, April 10th.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm back and will read up on what I missed.

[DemonHybrid]

I've been thinking a little more about the Zdenek claim. The time stamp from when he talked to LLD and when he claimed in thread seemed pretty far apart; IMO, scum don't think of a fake claim until they're pushed to the edge of a lynch. It takes longer for them to claim; I see early/fast claimers as the more town ones.

In that light, I'm going to

Unvote

. I'm going to ISO Tragedy.

[DemonHybrid]

UK's acting a bit weird. Nowhere in Tragedy's claim did she say that she could revive HERSELF. Reviving means you bring a dead person back to life. Pretty sure she can't do that when she dies.

[DemonHybrid]

Temporarily = Why the fuck would you bring scum back to life instead of getting town opinion?

[DemonHybrid]

If they die, won't we know their alignment regardless?

Die = a flip.
Revive = they come back to life
Die again = they die. Their alignment's not going to change or anything. So why would you revive anyone BUT town? Hence, UK isn't making much sense.

[DemonHybrid]

Aye, then I guess I missed that on the quickreadthrough then. Apologies.

Tragedy, can you revive others from vig shots?

[DemonHybrid]

@AGM: I Unvoted Zdenek before your VC, ftr

[DemonHybrid]

Huh, one moment.

[DemonHybrid]

Poisoned and deleted?

These were two different kills. At the same time.

Just to clarify what my ability did for future observation: I can ask someone to say/do something in bold. If they do not comply (truthfully or not), they need one less vote for a lynch. My other ability will not be described.

[DemonHybrid]

Parama, can I buy an ability from you?

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Tragedy

I'd like to see what affiliation Fate has with Tragedy.

.....that sounded really deep.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Katsuki

That Maemuki slipup looked awful.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm sorry, is there something that has been established that made Katsuki obv/conf town that I missed?

I don't find completely forgetting who someone replaced as good town play.

[DemonHybrid]

What does Mae have to do with my Fate-read?

Um, you know that Fate. Replaced. Mae, right?

Right Kats?

Please tell me you knew that?

Your point?

I'm just curious about this, though. To you, what did she mean then, Fate?

[DemonHybrid]

Any smart player would know that the pre-replacement player has EVERYTHING to do with the current slot read.

Fate, it's obviously mindblowing that you're harping on me for this now and not back when I voted Katsuki, by the way.

[DemonHybrid]

An earlier slot has NOTHING to do with a current player.

Did not read past this sentence.

[DemonHybrid]

Once you realize that a pre-replacement player still has the

same fucking slot

as the person who replaced them, I'll acknowledge your existence.

[DemonHybrid]

^ Thank you.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, the "Best Replacement" scummy was made because of people like you, Kat/Fate.

[DemonHybrid]

So DH, what is YOUR read on me anyway? You're more than happy to attack Katsuki for "anti-town play" but make no mention of your read on MY SLOT in the process. This is suspect as hell.

Like a probabl3 2/3 of this game, I believe that you are not town; in fact, a likely third party, not mafia. But Parama's wincon got me thinking about whether it's okay to lynch certain 3rd parties, hence the vote that isn't placed on you. Plus, there's a nuke headed your way, so I'm going to use my vote to pressure. Many of these abilities have not been confirmed yet, so I'm going to assume that they don't until they actually are confirmed (regarding the ability shield).

If I believed you were mafia, my vote would be on you.

PEdit: I'm not voting you over it. Just telling you that you're wrong.

[DemonHybrid]

We need to remember DH's jump onto Fate earlier. Prior to that vote, he made no mention of Mae whatsoever. No Mae read at all. All of a sudden, he comes in with a FATE IS SCUM, and now is going MAE WAS OBVOBVSCUM MAEFATE SLOT IS SCUMMMMMMMMMM

When did I call the slot "scum"?

I called it a probable third party. Parama is proof that third party doesn't necessarily mean scum. You keep straight actin a fool, screaming in annoying caps that I called the slot scum but I can't remember for the life of me when I did so.

[DemonHybrid]

@Kat: Also, is Fate the "DH suspicion" enabler or something? Where was your suspicion on me before this? You've had pages and pages to write this before I replied to you/LLD/UK; did you just make it up now because Fate did?

Preview edit: Gambit, X-Men, Town AP Drainer.

Hence the "mon ami" post after Andrius posted his "someone's whispering to me, cut it the fuck out" post.

How now, brown cow?

Preview edit 2: No, my point is that you are WEIRD by not even considering a past player's actions in a certain spot. I said NOTHING to imply that I thought Fate/Mae was scum.

PREVIEW EDIT SHUT THE FUCK UP: LET ME POST.

[DemonHybrid]

OK.
SO WHOEVER IS WHISPERING IN MY HEAD NEEDS TO STOP.

Evidentially I'm hearing voices and am "feeling compelled" to follow some post in which DH asks me to vote him.

No idea whether I should obey or not, but ALL I KNOW IS THAT

WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS

I WILL NOT GIVE IN TO THE WILL OF THE ONE RING.

Listen t'reason, mon ami.

You're a fucking idiot.

[DemonHybrid]

"Gambit (Remy Etienne

LeBeau

[1]) is a fictional character, a Marvel Comics superhero that has been a member of the X-Men."

"Remy LeBeau was born in New Orleans, Louisiana"

You sure know a lot about this character, Fate. You know everything, dont you?

[DemonHybrid]

Hey, everyone! Guess what! All people who speak French or any bit of French have to be from France, so says Fate! They can't speak French Creole! In fact, what the fuck IS French Creole?!

[DemonHybrid]

Aww look at him, he went and flavor argued even AFTER I said I didn't give a fuck if I was wrong about the flavor!

AKA HE CAN ONLY ARGUE MINOR BULLSHIT THINGS LIKE FLAVOR, NOT ACTUAL IN GAME RELEVANT THINGS LIKE SCUMHUNTING AND STUFF.


Full flail mode has been activated.

DH votes pile on now.

You've become so much of a tunneling idiot. Your last post was ALL about flavor, and you have the audacity to turn around and say that that's all I'm talking about?

[DemonHybrid]

Katsuki, your opinion is meaningless, because you still think that I believe Fate is scum, i.e, a player with a wincon that directly conflicts with the town wincon. I have NEVER said ANYTHING of the sort.

Please take your head out of your ass, and then get back to me.

[DemonHybrid]

@Kat: Also, is Fate the "DH suspicion" enabler or something?

Where was your suspicion on me before this?

You've had pages and pages to write this before I replied to you/LLD/UK; did you just make it up now because Fate did?

LMAO
IS THIS POST A JOKE?
BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY DAMN HILARIOUS.

TAKE A LOOK AT MY ISO
THEN TAKE A LOOK AT THE PAST FEW PAGES

Please get back to me DH, thanks.

I'll even help, you only need to get to ISO #4.

What, that one post you made with absolutely no action, followed by a few scattered suspicions and then back to me only when Fate was?

Your old "DH is scum" read is ancient. Keep with the times.

[DemonHybrid]

And I'm asking, in between that dinosaur post that you made when you replaced in and the posts you made in the last few hours, where the consistency was with your read on me, and why it only flared back up when Fate turned to me.

[DemonHybrid]

Katsuki, give me your reads of EVERYONE in the game. One-two (or more) sentence responses are fine, as long as you give reasoning for each read.

[DemonHybrid]

Remember when you offered the 1v1 earlier?

She promptly went into "DERP I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING FATE SAYS" mode.

You are talking about UK?

[DemonHybrid]

Okay, I just wanted to make sure Kat really IS sheeping to this degree or if I was just imagining it.

[DemonHybrid]

@DH: This is a terrible post.

Just had to make a comment after doing some looking over:

I was using an ability there (the exact one I mentioned after Andrius died); I hope you knew that?

[DemonHybrid]

I mean, if your best argument is "HE IS FRENCH. HE REALLY IS. I'M NOT LYING~" then you've practically already claimed scum.

It's not, but I can understand; apparently, you haven't read a damn thing.

Apparently you forgot that someone like me found the fact that someone completely disregarded a pre-replacement player scummy (which has nothing to do with how I read Mae/Fate, but way more to do with Katsuki acting strange; why WOULD anyone want to forget a pre-replacement player?)

Apparently you forgot that the only reason why I specified my flavor is because Fate is a dumbass and dedicated a full post to flavor. That was one post out of like 30.

Apparently you forgot that I still have my third-party Fate read and how I'm being cautious with voting him due to Parama's win condition, which can coincide with town's.

Apparently you forgot that I noted that Katsuki has been sheeping Fate to high hell and only picking her suspicion back up when Fate decided to turn on me. Since her initial read post, she hasn't mentioned me once, and the normal town reaction would have been to turn around and go full speed against me when I voted her. I've noted all of this.

Apparently you forgot that there is no appealing to anyone. UK is getting a lot worse with her recent posting and I'm not advocating saving Fate. I just don't want to lynch him because he may have an ability that could help us that he's not talking about.

But the fact that I mentioned French Creole?

LYNCH WAGON, FULL SPEED AHEAD

Hopefully this game will teach you a lesson about listening to Fate. He is rarely right.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm not even going to say Fate is definite town, I'm not buying it. Not saying he's definite scum or third party either, but he's not done anything town so far, and he should know that spamming the thread up as he, UK and co. have done is only negative to town because it makes it a chore to read back through later on.

So, is he in alignment limbo or something to you?

I'm not making this a Suggestion, but do you mind giving some of your reads again? It's been a while since you've done so.

[DemonHybrid]

Its obvious that you're scumhunting but I don't feel as if you're town. Third party read.

And yes. You dedicated a few posts to flavor, and then turned around and said "HE'S NOT FRENCH DON'T CARE WUT YOU SAY" before I had even gotten a chance to post. Seriously, dude, you asked for a claim right before that.

[DemonHybrid]

UK, you have yet to explain why me using my ability on Katsuki is scummy.

[DemonHybrid]

She sheeped again.

[DemonHybrid]

I think town is in the majority because I have more town reads than scumreads.

Did not read past this sentence.

Katsuki, show me where you had concrete suspicion of Prana before your recent post.

And yes, ISO #4 doesn't count. You didn't even write much of anything about him in that post, anyway.

[DemonHybrid]

You just shot me in the head point blank with your stupidity.

What was it about "You didn't have a consistent scum read on me until Fate turned on me" did you not get? I said it about 5 million times. And you JUST did it with Prana.

[DemonHybrid]

Asking someone who I think is scummy to give reads and make sure my read is correct is scummy?

...mmk then.

[DemonHybrid]

Ranger, call off the fucking nuke.

[DemonHybrid]

That roleblock was a definite scum roleblock, and if anyone thinks otherwise, I welcome them to explain it to me, but whoever did that wanted Fate dead. There's a low chance Fate is mafia.

[DemonHybrid]

Looking at mb's list makes me want to do my own, even though he's probable scum.

Scum:

Katsuki
mb53 (I liked CSL's early play. I do NOT like mb's; it's weak and hollow)
Espeonage
Benmage (lurk more)
UK (This is more of a lean scum read. REALLY iffy play after the me/Fate/Kat/her debate. Her point about me asking Kat for her reads makes absolutely no sense and seems to try to appeal to the players. I still have no clue what that knife business was about, but coming out of that argument, she acted EXTREMELY wishywashy.)


In the middle (third party probability, or just have no f'n clue):

Tragedy (Leaning scum, even with the resurrection ability)
Fate (leaning townish after that assassination attempt)
Zdenek (his claim makes me weary, or else I'd be 100% for his lynch)
Prana (he gives me strange vibes and seems to be passive with just about everything. TBQH, I don't like his katsuki jump)
Empking (scummy play, non-scummy ability claim)

Explicitly town:

LLD
Ranger


Parama has his own wincon:

Parama


I liked Ranger's nuke call-off.

[DemonHybrid]

The problem with DH's list is the ONLY reason he suspects me is because I stopped clearing him for being an idiot. He's also lashing out at Kats and Fate for much the same reason.

And it has nothing to do with the fact that you gave really shaky wishy-washy statements near the end of the arguments. </sarcasm>

I can point them out if you'd like.

[DemonHybrid]

Why does me voting for a player who has appeared to be solidly anti-town (I don't believe she's scum, but do believe she's 3rd party at this moment) be something you don't like? You've just said you believe her to be scum (And I don't like how LLD is writing off all Katsuki's shitty scummy behaviour earlier either).

It's the how. I'm still split on you, though. I just felt that the jump was kind of weird.

[DemonHybrid]

Explicitly town:
LLD
Ranger
I liked Ranger's nuke call-off.

Really, DH? That suddenly makes him town after calling off a random nuke that was about to kill Fate here?...

It makes it much more likely.

[DemonHybrid]

Kats is a moron. She either doesn't produce anything, or she produces regurgitated thoughts and acts like they're something new. In fact, they're trying to bully you and I right now. Because we're the only 4 out of 12 players posting right now, the pressure seems a lot higher than it is. But it isn't. Fate and Katsuki are just acting like tin gods and failing to use their brains. When more people arrive, sanity SHOULD be restored, though I doubt Oz will grant Baa~tsuki a brain.

That said, you're probably still scum, so carry on Baa~tsFate.

@Fate: You're still wrong this time. As usual. 2/3 is a pretty bad failure rate.

Anyway, Baa~tsuki is dumb town. Enjoy your wool.

"Probably still scum"

Last I checked, like the 20 posts before this one, you were agreeing with him, even to the point where you both thought I was scum. You were back and forth with Katsuki for a while but settled on "dumb sheep town". That's alright, I suppose, but I don't like the flip flop on Fate here.

Easily.

Post 1088, Post 1089, Post 1094, Post 1096, Post 1097, Post 1105, Post 1106, Post 1113, Post 1118

Post 1124 isn't grounded in reality at all, furthering your lack of ability to think on your own.

@Kats: Didn't actually shoot. I just wanted to see how you'd react to something like that, and I was in a reckless enough mood to see what would happen~.

@Fate: But Tragedy isn't town. Further, it costs AP to vote. If the DH wagon reaches more fruition than you two, I'll switch. I'm not sure how you missed this.

You sort of talk to him as if he was a townie. Maybe I'm missing something, but is it true that at this point you still had a "Fate is scum" read? If so, why would you follow a wagon that was driven by who you thought was scum?

So, if you were expecting me to get into a fight this morning, I'm afraid I have to disappoint you. Both you and Katsuki were goading me, and I accepted it like a fool. No more. For all I care, right now, you both are town. Happy? Good, enjoy it while it lasts. Because you WILL fuck up if you're scum, and I'll be on you like a pack of tigers.


Oh! There's the silly Zdenek vote that he thinks he'll get away with.
There's today's lynch guys.

UK is getting a lot worse with her recent posting and I'm not advocating saving Fate.

This, my friends, is beautiful. "You're obviously town...until you start suspecting me."
Do we need anything *else*, really, at this point?

I was stupid to get all on Fate even if he was a killing third party for the same reason, and I was stupid getting into a flame war with him. I'm pretty much just going to pretend he's town until it matters.

And one last thing Fate. Two posts does not sheeping make. I'm not sure why you wasted your time. Further, you cut me in the first example. I was saying the EXACT SAME THING *before* you posted, but you just hit submit faster. Unless you're claiming I'm lying about that, which would be dumb, even for you.

This post cements the fact that you still thought he was scum. It was such a quick flipflop, and now that Fate proved a point, you decide to take the "if you can't beat him, join him" route.

I never said I suspected you for suspecting me, nor did I imply that. With that logic, I'd be suspecting LLD right now, but she's one of the most town on my list.

You're appealing to the attacker, quite obviously, here. You took a chance to fight against Fate, and Fate wrecked you in a logic battle. Plus, you throw a couple of weak suspicions around. Notably to Benmage and Zdenek.

And then you turned on the AtE and pissed Fate off some more.

So no, I don't like your recent posting. Before the Fate argument, you were fine but then you got pressured and went off the handle.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, what point did your posts about Empking have?

[DemonHybrid]

I never said I suspected you for suspecting me, nor did I imply that. With that logic, I'd be suspecting LLD right now, but she's one of the most town on my list.

What do you think would be the reaction from the town if you started suspecting me?

UK is an easier target, so that's a bad example to use.

1. How is UK an "easier target"? That terminology and logic makes no sense.

2. You seem to assume that I'd target you if you were an "easier target" and not UK. Is that an assumption, or do you feel like you have proof?

[DemonHybrid]

UK is an easier lynch target than me for scum, IMO.

Also, it's an assumption, but a pretty good one.

Still not making sense.

And no, not really. Have you looked at the case?

[DemonHybrid]

Did you also know that I've never seen UK as a town read? She's been acting strange all game, and just recently, her logic became shoddy because Fate pressured her. How is that attacking the "easier lynch"? And since when was UK an "easy lynch" to you? And why?

[DemonHybrid]

And you've never brought it up before?

If UK has been scum all game, why only the pressure now?

She's acted

weird

all game. Her latest logic fail against Fate put her on the scum end of the spectrum for me.

[DemonHybrid]

Did you know someone can agree with someone without thinking they're town? I KNOW, IT'S A GROOVY CONCEPT. SOMETIMES SCUM SAY THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE TO TOWN

Not really buying this, especially with you in the pressure cooker like that.

Secondly, do not forget that I thought Fate was third party. I think you're mafia. Therefore no contradiction. For the purposes of lynching you, Fate is town.

You specifically labelled him as SCUM. That's no different than lynching a mafioso.

SCUM = Mafia OR Third-Party that has a wincon that directly conflicts with town's
You didn't specify that at all and you specifically stated that you thought he was scum.

Finally...lol wut? You're...wow. I can't believe that came from anyone with reasoning capabilities. The other two points should clarify why your points are bad. And both you and I know the REAL reason you're now calling me scum is because I called you scum. And I'm right. So you have to discredit me. And you realized that it was a hot thing to do after my fight with Baa~tsuki and Fate. Which was, admittedly, a waste of time. As for "destroying me in a logic battle"...uh...no. We never HAD a logic battle. We bitched at each other til we got tired.

So, no, you're quite frankly bad at this, ScummehHybrid.

Again, you're not refuting any points, you're completely turning to the "Because I think you're scum, this CAN'T be a legit argument, and therefore, I don't need to refute it" argument. Especially after LLD backing you up, that's an awful stance to have.

YOU WERE AGREEING WITH ME FOR AT LEAST

HALF

THE FATE/KATSUKI/UK FIGHT!

And your logic

became

shoddy. How could it

become

shoddy if I disagreed/agreed with you during the whole fight?

This is hilarious.

As for my posts about Empking, I wondered where he was. Then I ISO'd him and realized he'd been posting so TERRIBLY that I didn't remember he had posted. He's a little ball of fluff that needs lynching. This is important to remember.

He hasn't been the focus of your scumhunting. Normally, I'd be fine with little fleeting arguments, but coming from someone like you who flip flopped on Fate super quick, I'm not buying that either.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, you still fail to explain why my questioning of someone who I thought was scummy about what their reads were is scummy in and of itself. You mention how scummy it is, but not once have you said WHY.

Unvote, Vote: UncertainKitten

[DemonHybrid]

To you basically were asking Katsuki to fake it. You know who else fakes it? Scum. And you did this so you'd be spared rope. NOPE THAT'S NOT SCUMMY AT ALL!

What a brilliant circle of logic.

I ask someone who I think is scummy for their reads so I could ANALYZE the reads. I never said I wanted them ASAP. I said I wanted them.

Townies post their reads naturally as the game goes on!

Your point?

It should have been easy for Katsuki to just list off what she thought of everyone playing so far if she had been "naturally" gaining those reads as the game went on. I wasn't putting her in an impossible situation.

[DemonHybrid]

But you were forcing her.

The idea is that you were trying to make KATSUKI look scummy by having her fake her reads.

I thought, and still think, that she's scummy.

I wanted reads from her.

So I used an ability against her to have her give me her reads.

1. There was no time limit to those reads and I never said there was. It was not an unreasonable request.

2. I have absolutely no clue where you got the idea that I tried to make her force reads that weren't genuine. I gave her plenty of opportunity to write a concise post with her reads. I wasn't asking for paragraphs. I was asking for a sentence each. That should be indication enough that I cared more about the tone/logic over pure information/amount of contest.

UK, let me ask you a question. Have you once asked someone who you thought was scummy for reads? Either on one person or the whole playerlist, the amount doesn't matter.

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP: *amount of content.

[DemonHybrid]

I NEVER FUCKING FLIP FLOPPED ON FATE YOU FUCKING MORON

So....this:

Kats is a moron. She either doesn't produce anything, or she produces regurgitated thoughts and acts like they're something new. In fact, they're trying to bully you and I right now. Because we're the only 4 out of 12 players posting right now, the pressure seems a lot higher than it is. But it isn't. Fate and Katsuki are just acting like tin gods and failing to use their brains. When more people arrive, sanity SHOULD be restored, though I doubt Oz will grant Baa~tsuki a brain.

That said, you're probably still scum, so carry on Baa~tsFate.

@Fate: You're still wrong this time. As usual. 2/3 is a pretty bad failure rate.

Anyway, Baa~tsuki is dumb town. Enjoy your wool.

I just imagined this? It's been proven earlier on in this thread that third parties could have different wincons. Whether or not you think he's third party or mafia is irrelevant. You called him scum and then agreed to join a lynch that he pushed. You backed away when he fought against you. Both are appealing to the attacker, even though you apparently find him scum. There's such a dissonance here.

The other problem with ~*~whole playerlist~*~ things is that they devolve to IIoA, as I said. Which you'd jump on because "Katsuki was already scummy".

I don't see a pro town motivation for what you did at all.

I usually ask for reads on specific players, and usually either I ask everyone, or I want to see a specific interaction. You just asked for the entire playerlist because you thought it'd look good.

Katsuki went pages without mentioning specific people. Some people she didn't even mention at all. I wanted to uncover what she thought of EVERYONE in the game, not just what she thought about you, or me, or Fate, because that's all she's been talking about since her ISO #4.

[DemonHybrid]

Basically, my point is:

If you find someone scum, you don't agree with them or back down when they fight against you. You VOTE TO LYNCH them. It looks weird when the past few pages are you fighting with Fate and you just letting the argument go.

ISO Kat, and see if you can get clear concise reads on anyone but me, Fate or you. ISO 4 doesn't count.

[DemonHybrid]

OK. So, say you're mafia and Fate is third party serial killer. WHY WOULD HIS READ ON YOU BE SUDDENLY INVALID!?

It doesn't. He'd still be a serial killer. But that doesn't mean that you completely agree with him and back off of him completely when he fights against you. You're

appealing to the person attacking you, and it's scummy.

The normal townie reaction is NOT to accept a serial killer with a win-con that directly conflicts with town's opinion as your #1. It's not to completely back off when he puts up a fight against you. It's to say "I value your opinion and I'll look at it later, but I believe you're scum, so here are some more arguments and a vote" or whatever. It reads as a non-genuine read when you put it how you did.

"Who do you think is scum and why (two sentences or less)"

You just literally asked the same question, without the "who is town and why" that I also asked for.

Why do we have to fight like this UK? We actually have a lot in common and I'm sure I'd get along with you really well in person.

Basically we clash, stupidly. This game I was fine with you, but then you started calling me third party and scum. Then I called you scum because that's how I am for people suspecting me for subpar reasons, then YOU raged at me, and have gone out of your way to insult me and call me arrogant, egotistical, and take away credit for me when credit is due.

So, truce? Let's just work together since we're both town. And please don't avoid future games with me <3

I was stupid to get all on Fate even if he was a killing third party for the same reason, and I was stupid getting into a flame war with him. I'm pretty much just going to pretend he's town until it matters.

And one last thing Fate. Two posts does not sheeping make. I'm not sure why you wasted your time. Further, you cut me in the first example. I was saying the EXACT SAME THING *before* you posted, but you just hit submit faster. Unless you're claiming I'm lying about that, which would be dumb, even for you.

You didn't explain that at all and this is an example of exactly what I'm talking about. I don't like the "I'll just assume Fate is town" part of your post, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to both you and Fate not wanting to make excess noise.

[DemonHybrid]

That last part is a Preview Edit.

[DemonHybrid]

Zdenek said he was a miller neighborizer, correct? How long was that since Empking claimed his ability?

[DemonHybrid]

Actually, I lied. It was LLD that bought the investigate from Parama and used it against him. Empking's ability lets Empking know when one fires off.

Let me check some dates.

[DemonHybrid]

Tuesday, April 5:

Unvote, Vote: Parama

Confirmed scum guys!

Well, actually, confirmed third party.

I accepted the K-Mart offer for the investigation, and got a third party result on him. (The investigation is one-shot)

I'm all out of AP now though ;_;

Anyway, votes here. CSL and the gang can die tomorrow. This guy is confirmed.

Wednesday, April 6:

Since there are quite a few people who are suspicious of me, I'm going to partially claim. I'm a miller.

Hmmmm.

Miller claim have anything to do with LLD's investigation claim, Zdenek?

[DemonHybrid]

Ahhh, right, I asked you what date he claimed in the QT a while ago. My bad.

[DemonHybrid]

*Lady Lambdadelta

Why the fuck do I always get you two confused?

[DemonHybrid]

Post counts, in case Fate wanted to take a look:

Benmage: 42 posts
DemonHybrid: 126 posts
Empking: 79 posts
Espeonage: 54 posts
Fate: 123 posts/Maemuki: 10 posts
Katsuki: 85 posts
LLD: 225 posts
mb53: 16 posts /CSL: 31 posts
Parama: 42 posts
PranaDevil: 51 posts
RotN: 13 posts/ani: 15 posts
Tragedy: 87 posts
UK: 162 posts
Zdenek: 29 posts

[DemonHybrid]

Fate is probably right about the lurkers. Empking's post is awful, too. Just basically an "accept me! I have something townie to say!" post.

[DemonHybrid]

@DH: HEY, WAIT, YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ME ON EMPKING BUT YOU THINK I'M SCUM! WHAT'S UP WITH THAT!?

Oh, that's right! I had forgotten that I posted "Hey, UK, I totally agree with you on your opinion 100%" and can't have an opinion on my own! There's also no such thing as throwing suspicion around or bussing!

[DemonHybrid]

Please wake the fuck up. I didn't mention you at all in my post.

[DemonHybrid]

You:

"Fate, you're scum, but I'm going totally jump on the wagon you created! And I agree with you! But you're scum!"


Later on...

You: "Empking's post is awful!"

Me: "Fate is right about the lurkers, and Empking's post is awful."


Which situation is someone agreeing with someone else and which situation is two people making similar conclusions without agreement, regardless of genuineness?

[DemonHybrid]

Did you or did you not mention Fate in the post where you said you'd jump on my bandwagon and say that you agreed with him?

Did I or did I not mention you in the post where I said Empking's post was awful?

I didn't mention anything about sheeping. This is all about the intent of agreement.

[DemonHybrid]

^ That's for UK.

[DemonHybrid]

So now it's stealing reasoning? Not agreeing?

......

What?

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Empking

Fine.

Perhaps I was wrong about UK. She's showing lots of signs of stupidity and less signs of thinking. Unless someone can bring up meta where she's this dumb as an anti-town role, then I'll only be keeping an eye on her.

Empking's post was terrible and he should be lynched.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Empking

Fine.

Perhaps I was wrong about UK. She's showing lots of signs of stupidity and less signs of thinking. Unless someone can bring up meta where she's this dumb as an anti-town role, then I'll only be keeping an eye on her.

Empking's post was terrible and he should be lynched.

You have NO room to talk about stupidity.

UK is a THOUSAND times more intelligent than you will EVER be.

And that's on a BAD day for her.

I like how you're talking as if you fucking know me personally.

[DemonHybrid]

The above is not a post about game content. It's literally saying to Lady Lambdadelta, as a person, "Who the fuck are you to say something like that?"

Preview edit: Once I get it from her, it will be given back. I wasn't the one that started throwing around the term "stupid", so why don't you go back and read, hotshot?

[DemonHybrid]

I'll tell you who I am.

I am someone who doesn't let anyone say shit to her friends.

And I realize this is mafia

. But you overstepped your boundaries.

Apparently, you don't.

UK: Deal. Respect gained. I don't have to like your mafia persona too. But I'm not the one to start calling people stupid on a whim, so as long as you keep a hold on that terminology, so will I.

[DemonHybrid]

LLD: Mafia's not a pleasant game. It has namecalling sometimes, it has rough language, it has nasty fights. You agreed to this when you started playing. I don't care who you back up or how you do it, but you need to realize that this stuff happens.

Preview Edit to UK: Even more respect gained. Thanks a ton for understanding.

[DemonHybrid]

You guys are ridiculous. You want to lynch the Guy who confirms investigations!?!?

Zzzz

But here's you're wagoning scum

vote mb53

Just out of curiosity, what makes someone who can confirm investigations non-scum?

That's a legit inquiry; maybe I missed something.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: mb53

That's L-1.

[DemonHybrid]

7 votes out of 8 to lynch, remember that.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

, not because of LLD's logic, but because you can be useful and your flavor does read town. Contribute more in the future, please.

At first, I was like "What the hell is a Madoka".

[DemonHybrid]

Looking at mb's list makes me want to do my own, even though he's probable scum.

Scum:

Katsuki

mb53 (I liked CSL's early play. I do NOT like mb's; it's weak and hollow)

Espeonage
Benmage (lurk more)
UK (This is more of a lean scum read. REALLY iffy play after the me/Fate/Kat/her debate. Her point about me asking Kat for her reads makes absolutely no sense and seems to try to appeal to the players. I still have no clue what that knife business was about, but coming out of that argument, she acted EXTREMELY wishywashy.)


In the middle (third party probability, or just have no f'n clue):

Tragedy (Leaning scum, even with the resurrection ability)
Fate (leaning townish after that assassination attempt)
Zdenek (his claim makes me weary, or else I'd be 100% for his lynch)
Prana (he gives me strange vibes and seems to be passive with just about everything. TBQH, I don't like his katsuki jump)
Empking (scummy play, non-scummy ability claim)

Explicitly town:

LLD
Ranger


Parama has his own wincon:

Parama


I liked Ranger's nuke call-off.

Page 51.

[DemonHybrid]

For the record, remember CSL's play. It was NOT that bad. When mb took the reins, he lurked the spot into the ground. There's just too much in common for it to be a fakeclaim.

[DemonHybrid]

What's with the constant double standards?

LLD's unvote had EVERYTHING to do with flavor, just not in the same way I thought it had to do with flavor.

[DemonHybrid]

You unvoted because you said Madoka is someone who CSL would have picked, did you not? The ability came as an afterthought.

[DemonHybrid]

Then post that, LLD. We're not mindreaders.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: mb53

Never mind.

25 votes IS that bad in a situation like this, especially with everyone else being as careful as they are with their votes.

[DemonHybrid]

*cough cough* Deflection

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

I don't feel comfortable that Zdenek is hopping onto mb's wagon.

Let me reread.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

I don't feel comfortable that Zdenek is hopping onto mb's wagon.

Let me reread.

Zdenek had previously been on it.

Not in this way. Sort of an after-the-fact wagon hop.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Benmage

Yes sir.

[DemonHybrid]

Benmage, after you said "I love being scum, but I assume people think that I'd pick scum, so I begrudgingly picked town", I pretty much stopped reading what you had to say. It's so blatant, it's sickening.

And no, Benmage, I didn't know before this game that you love being scum.

[DemonHybrid]

We've heard enough from Benmage.

Or, at least you guys have. Like I said, after he said "I WOULD have picked scum, but I wanted to outguess people so I picked town", my ears closed permanently to him. That was literally all I needed to hear.

[DemonHybrid]

Took you a while for that, Zdenek.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Zdenek

Zdenek made it pretty clear that he was waiting for midnight to pass AND for a majority declaration of "HAMMER BENMAGE" before he splurged.

[DemonHybrid]

He lives in New York, so EDT, I would assume.

I'm pretty sure you posted at 1:06 EDT. Says it in a handy time stamp above your hammer post.

[DemonHybrid]

Also EAST COAST REPRESENT

[DemonHybrid]

I actually started the Zdenek wagon, UK.

[DemonHybrid]

So, where the fuck is the hammer. SOMEONE GET THE FUCK IN HERE AND HAMMER!

YOU ALL LET ANOTHER DAY PASS FOR THE SCUM TO DO STUFF.

You all REALLY SUCK AT THIS.

Since we need a lynch,

Unvote
Vote Benmage

Zdenek,

what is your point?

[DemonHybrid]

YOU ALL LET ANOTHER DAY PASS FOR THE SCUM TO DO STUFF.

EBWOP. I dont know why I put PM twice.

[DemonHybrid]

Okay, the fuck?

Vote: Zdenek

[DemonHybrid]

This is annoying.

[DemonHybrid]

I did not join the Dead QT.

I was a little disappointed in what my role was offered.

This is by far the worst town effort I've ever seen.

Actually, I'm blaming this loss on you.

If you hadn't read Emp and Kat's kill abilities, this game was basically a race and you completely sucked up a shitload of time arguing with LLD, causing more deaths.

[DemonHybrid]

I did not join the Dead QT.

I was a little disappointed in what my role was offered.

This is by far the worst town effort I've ever seen.

Actually, I'm blaming this loss on you.

If you hadn't read Emp and Kat's kill abilities, this game was basically a race and you completely sucked up a shitload of time arguing with LLD, causing more deaths.

Sorry for vigging you BTW.

I just felt like you were in the middle of my reads list, your AP Drain claim if town wasn't going to help town, and if scum could hurt us bad, and your interactions with UK left much to be desired.

:/

It's okay. I'm more sorry about the heat between Kitty and I and how you had to sit through that. None of that was personal.

[DemonHybrid]

I was hoping to stay a while and Charge LLD, but that didn't happen. Eh.

[DemonHybrid]

Yeah, sorry I got so personal attacky with you DH. We seem to be cool now though. Can I apply my personal attack tokens to Benmage instead ^-^?

Go right ahead =P