Mini 255 - RajÔÇÖs Freaktown I (The Beginning)- GAMEOVER

[Don Gaetano]

can't Stewie say the same thing... like i said a WIFOM...

What? How is that WIFOM.

I'm the only doc and there's no roleblocker, how is it WIFOM to say that I'll die. Stewie claimed he was a doc that cant protet people.

[elvis_knits]

Anything you can say?

This is what I propose. It involves me assuming that Don Gaetano is town. And for the rest of you all, you have to assume that I am town also. For me this is not a leap, but the rest of you may not want to do it. This leaves Stewie or LB as SK.

NIGHT ACTIONS, as I think we should do them:
Don protects me
Stewie, if you are doc as you say, protect Don.

Now if the SK is LyingBrian he can only kill Stewie -- the player that is looking like he'll be lynched tomorrow. So if we open tomorrow with Stewie dead, we know LB is SK.

If Stewie is the SK, he has to kill Don, as I am protected and LyingBrian is unnightkillable. So if Don dies we know Stewie is SK.

Now, if we do the night actions I have suggested, the SK has to go no-kill. Or the SK will have to convince me that Don is scum, or alternately, convince Don that I am scum. Personally, I would not be easily convinced that Don is scum, so I warn scum not to try this avenue!

[Don Gaetano]

Stewie said his protection didn't work. So when I end up dead, Stewie would still be able to say that he's a tonie with the role he claimed, so that plan won't work at all.

By the way, that's another reason why I'm convinced Stewie is the other scum.

[elvis_knits]

Ok. Well anyway, I can see no way for Stewie to get out of this. I just can't see him being a placebo doc named inHim who heals by the power of God, when incidentally there is a different killer that kills by the word of God. Makes no sense.

[Don Gaetano]

I would have to agree

[rajrhcpfreak]

YOU CLAIMED THE SHADOW MAN VOTE COUNT

Chaos - 3 (Don Gaetano, elvis_knits, LyingBrian)

Not voting - 2 (Stewie, Chaos)

3 to lynch.

Clock shows: 11:05AM

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Three of the 5 towns people looks towards Steve and sneered, "You are the evil Shadow Man that is killing people at night?"
"No I only killed Alex," Steve said. The town started chasing after him as he pulled out his light sabers. "DIE BITCHES!" Crazy Steve screams.
As he runs towards them he trips on a rock and stabs himself.

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Chaos

(Steven, Serial Killer) Surrounded and killed by the town

, Day Three


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After a busy few days you go home and enjoy the rest of the day as much as you can with a killer on the lose.

NIGHT 4

[rajrhcpfreak]

DAY 4

In der tat (Indeed), it was a very peaceful night. There were no deaths at night.

Has the evil been eradicated from the town? Everyone gathers at the courthouse to discuss what should be done now. It will take 3 votes for a lynch.

The day starts when the members of the town checking into the Court house at 9AM on a beautiful Thursday Morning.

[Fritzler]

I still want a roland pic.

[rajrhcpfreak]

ive already been nagging roland for one....

i could use the one i have of him, but i dont think he would like it.

[Fritzler]

use it

[Stewie]

ive already been nagging roland for one....

i could use the one i have of him, but i dont think he would like it.

Use one which is not him, which might encourage him to actually post his picture.

Well, I protected Don as I was asked to, and here we are with another WIFOF argument. You might say that I am indeed a doc which for some reason didn't work night one (now that I think about it, perhaps it was a mafia block) or you might say that I am scum, and purposely didn't kill to make it seem that way. I can also argue that the actual scum didn't kill to make me look bad. This is confusing for me, I can only imagine how confusing it must be for the rest of you.

Firstly, I have to advise against a quick lynch. There are many things to take into consideration in this game, and a quick lynch will hurt the town. Secondly, once again I think I'll have trouble defending myself, but I have two mayor points:

Firstly, the fact that raj made a truly wacky game. The fact that the killer makes God-like kills can be atributted to several factors, only one of them being me=scum. The kill can be done by some kind of mafia framer, who chooses who to frame and makes the kill look as if was the target (which is undoubfully me, assuming that this role is true). Perhaps there's another role which is religious in nature (I'd suggest inhim's evil twin, but I doubt that since all roles so far are a person). There probably more scenarios to explain this oddity, but I can't come up with them right now.

Secondly, I must once again lie back on the fact that LB must be scum. That role is broken, and sounds completly made up, and I can't believe you guys haven't picked up on it. TOWN ARE NEVER UNKILLABLE. It is common knowledge that it would break the game, so I don't believe that raj and inhim's collective mind would let that slip under their radar. If his role is true, and I was scum, then there would be no way for me to win right now. I could lynch/nightkill both don and elvis, but I would be left with LB, tying the game. Likewise, if Chaos wasn't lynched yesterday, then he would be in the same situation I would be if I were scum right now: he could not win. Chaos's existance proves that LB is lying. If he were telling the truth, then Chaos did not have a chance of winning from the beggining, which would be unfair to him.

I'll try to think about this game more, but that's all I can think of right now.

[Don Gaetano]

Let me start the day by saying that I wasn't completely honest yesterday (normally a bad thing, but not this time IMHO). In addition to being a normal doc, I had the option to protect myself one, and only one night during the game. An ability I used last night. So, while it's not

completely

unlikely that the scum decided not to kill me, even if they did, I wouldn't have died.

I'm 99% sure that Stewie is the remaining scum, even though I agree with him that LB's role is unbelievable, but at present I think that's because Raj is weird, and not because LB is lying.

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Stewie, saying that LB's role sounds completely made up doesn't even come close to explaining how made up your role sounds. The fact that you're trying to draw attention towards LB using arguments that work even better against you, doesn't make you look any better. But I agree that a quick lynch wouldn't be in the town's interest.

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Another thing that makes it plausible that LB isn't scum, is his answer to my question about him having a night ability (even though he took his precious time answering it). I figured that he would think that I had a way of knowing if he had been active during the night or not, so if he was scum he would have to say he had a night action. But him having a night action would not make sense considering his explanation to why he's un-nightkillable. Ofcourse at the time, I figured that he had to be scum anyway, but now I think it makes him look a lot more innocent.

[LyingBrian]

well interesting... nobody was killed last night, definitely making things interesting... well a couple of things to note... first of all i received confirmation from Alex that if i was left one-on-one w/ a killing role that the killing role would win the game... NOT making the game unbreakable as Stewie claims... of course, YOU won't get confirmation from Alex as that would confirm my role, kind of a catch22...

right now i think the best idea is to go no lynch... we don't lose anybody during the day, & w/ a kill at night would leave it at 2 vs. 1 the next day... the town could use the information from a night kill (provided there is one) to be able to point the finger at scum more easily...

vote: no lynch

i think the best suggestion is this... we should go for a no lynch & go to night... both Don Gaetano & Stewie should "protect" elvis_knits, and we'll see where we are in the morning...

what does everybody else think?..

[elvis_knits]

How does your plan tell us who is scum?

[elvis_knits]

Fritzler night one, darquiel every night after that exept yesterday, when I protected
Chaos (didn't think darquiel would get attacked... my bad).

People that died by the word of God are N1:Ibaesha (Lacey, cop)
and N3: HaloFreak (Sara, investigator)

Hey, so if Stewie is a placebo doc whose power doesn't always work (and sometimes backfires), he should have said he protected Ibaesha N1 -- because she is the one that died from the word of God, not Fritzler.

If Stewie sticks by his claimed actions, it seems IMPOSSIBLE to me that we have one player who protects by the word of God and ANOTHER player who kills by the word of God.

[elvis_knits]

Check this out (it's the REAL Seabiscuit):

[Stewie]

Fritzler night one, darquiel every night after that exept yesterday, when I protected
Chaos (didn't think darquiel would get attacked... my bad).

People that died by the word of God are N1:Ibaesha (Lacey, cop)
and N3: HaloFreak (Sara, investigator)

Hey, so if Stewie is a placebo doc whose power doesn't always work (and sometimes backfires), he should have said he protected Ibaesha N1 -- because she is the one that died from the word of God, not Fritzler.

If Stewie sticks by his claimed actions, it seems IMPOSSIBLE to me that we have one player who protects by the word of God and ANOTHER player who kills by the word of God.

What are you talking about? I think I made it pretty clear that I have no direct connection to the "word of God" killer. All I said is not in conflict. Night one, I prayed for Fritzler, and he died, which led me to believe that I was useless, but I later realized that I could have been blocked, framed, or other. I did not claim placebo doc because raj wouldn't tell me "you are a placebo doc," that would be stupid. I

deduced

I was a placebo doc, but I might have been wrong.

Impossible? How so? LB has a role which breaks the game (not anymore, as he conviniently pointed out ) and you don't seem to be bothering him about it. At least my role is feasable gameplay-wise. Furthermore, this game is wacky enough to have someone frame me in that fashion (kill in the way I would kill if I would).

Stewie, saying that LB's role sounds completely made up doesn't even come close to explaining how made up your role sounds. The fact that you're trying to draw attention towards LB using arguments that work even better against you, doesn't make you look any better. But I agree that a quick lynch wouldn't be in the town's interest.

How does my role sound made up? inhim is religious... he prays to try and save people... pretty straight foward. The only messed up part is the fact that there's a killer who kills in the same fashion inhim would kill. Furthermore, as wacky as all this seems, my role does not break the game. Would raj make a game in which roles make little sense or no sense at all? Sure. So far he has. Would he make a broken game? Doubt it. How does my agument work better against me, when while my role doesn't seem feasable storyline-wise, LB's is not feasable game-wise.

Grrrr.... All things considered, I think that the worst part of my role is that I can't cuss. Because I really want to right now.

[elvis_knits]

Furthermore, this game is wacky enough to have someone frame me in that fashion (kill in the way I would kill if I would).

There is no way I can believe that. Just as there is no way I can stop myself from watching the movie "Elizabethtown" over and over and over again.

[elvis_knits]

Look at this loser (I mean, isn't he cute?):

[elvis_knits]

Also, Stewie, good job

not

voting for any of the scum we've lynched. Really assures me that you are indeed pro-town. [/sarcasm]

vote: Stewie

[LyingBrian]

i would rather have a no lynch & get more information, than vote for any specific player right now... the town can still win if we no lynch & somebody dies tonight, but the town can NOT win if we lynch the wrong person today... (the killer would kill the last townie other than me, and leave it at him vs. me in the endgame, thus winning)

@Stewie

so you are proposing that in addition to being unnightkillable, i also have a killing role AND i can frame somebody to make it look like they did it! now THAT seems unbalanced...

@elvis_knits

if Stewie is the remaining SK, how does his not voting for scum make him scummy, per se?!? it's not like he could've known who they were... and BTW, yes, Orlando Bloom is VERY cute...

@Don Gaetano

what are your thoughts?

[elvis_knits]

LB, I mean, what is the "information" that we can gather by having someone die? I guess the death crosses one person off our list of potential scum. Other than that, how will a kill tell us who is scum?

[LyingBrian]

that's EXACTLY what "information" we can gather... right now there is a 1:4 chance of lynching scum... with somebody dying tonight there will be a 1:3 chance to lynch scum... plus it will eliminate a lot of WIFOM arguments...

i doubt i will move my vote from a no lynch unless somebody has a better idea... and i doubt Stewie will vote for himself...

[Don Gaetano]

If we no lynch, These are the possible scenarioes:

1. Stewie gets killed = I and Elvis lynch LB tomorrow.

2. LB gets killed = I and Elvis lynch Stewie tomorrow.

3. Elvis won't get killed because I'll protect her.

4. I die (because I can't protect myself) = No information is gained, and LB and Stewie would be at each others throats tomorrow, without my insightful mind to save silly Elvis from lynching the wrong person

5. Nobody dies during the night. No information is gained, status quo continues.

So I don't see the advantages of a No Lynch.

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Elvis, since Stewie is an SK if he's scum, the fact that he hasn't voted for the scum who have been lynched means nothing. In fact, since there's no cop, it would be in the SK's own interest to kill of the other scum.

...But I still think Stewie is our last scum.

[LyingBrian]

@Don Gaetano

are you willing to lynch Stewie then... i think i could go for a Stewie lynch...

unvote

@Stewie

if you're innocent, then who do you suspect most, Don Gaetano, or elvis_knits, & why?