Cyclic Experimentation Set x01 - [Game Over]

[StrangerCoug]

Hello

It'll probably be morning before I give this game any sort of a proper readthrough (I got up early and probably won't stay up for the new year to come around in my time zone), so bear with me. While you wait for me, though, could I have everybody's top three picks for scum and why?

[StrangerCoug]

Here's everything up until I stopped on page 10. I do not proclaim to have gotten everything important, so if I missed anything on which you want my opinion, speak up.

I'm going to start by answering my own question: quadz08 and Powerrox93 for their crap cases on Parama and EtherealCookie for how he started the game. (If there are any other responses to my question, I have yet to read them.)

Parama, 5: Ooh! Interesting way to start the game.
Parama, 8: So that's what it does. OK, I believe that.
muh316, 20: Uhh, hello? Parama claims a hot potato and you open with that? What's wrong with you?
EtherealCookie, 23: Why are you random voting when you're clearly adding to meaningful discussion?
implosion, 31: Treestump is an ability we want to be careful not giving to scum, especially in LYLO.
I Am Innocent, 34: "Too sane"? This screams a lot like the "too townie" fallacy.
muh316, end of page 4: Why am I not surprised?
implosion, 51: xD
quadz08, 78: That's actually a lame reason to vote Parama.
popsofctown, 99: I see his thinking, but I disagree that it dents Parama any.
MagnaofIllusion, 109: I like the beginning of this post.
The Eruci, 153: Aww... muh316 was town
Powerrox93, 168: You're just going to vote Parama based on muh316's statements when the latter has done nothing useful? Come the hell on!
Saint, 222: You do realize that, if this made an ounce of sense, curiouskarmadog would replace out after getting your answer, right?
diddin, 238: Who is Heidi Montag?

[StrangerCoug]

Page 11 onward. Again, I don't claim to have everything important.

diddin, 274: I almost had a "what the hell" moment reading this. On closer inspection, that does remove the risk of scum having the stump in LYLO.
Saint, 290 and 291: Not liking these posts here (ad hom and a false OMGUS accusation respectively—in my book, a legitimate case back doesn't count as OMGUS).
diddin, 305: Regarding your first sentence, I think it is—that looks far out of place coming from Vi. I'm not familiar with Furcolow, but I

HAVE

heard he has a bad reputation.
AntB, 311: *headdesk*
Nero Cain, 343: Spoiler text is usually illegal...
I Am Innocent, 366: I gave this some thought, and it would very much make sense for scum to lapse on the name of the town faction. diddin should shoot curiouskarmadog.
popsofctown, 396: xD
Helghast, 416: The second paragraph stands out, but I'll pass that off as a newb tell. Please do input your opinion every day, though.

I specifically want CKD dayvigged because that enables us to continue to scumhunt while taking care of a scum slip. Therefore, I am going to go for my read from the first half of the game and VOTE: quadz08.

[StrangerCoug]

Hey, I admit that more of my PBPA is from the beginning of the game than from the end of the game (as if it's not obvious by the second post being shorter). If you need to reread the game, go straight ahead.

I like your point against MagnaofIllusion, if that's any consolation.

[StrangerCoug]

(See next post because of Quick Reply non-boldability)

Along with what popsofctown told you, you could also have hit the Post Reply button before typing your post, by the way.

[StrangerCoug]

Aww...

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I'm list mod (not for the large themes, though). That's why it's green.

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I would if I knew how to make it xD

Anyway, we're getting off track.

[StrangerCoug]

In all reality though, Pop's original slip could also be a scum tell and should probably be worth keeping an eye on. Just during my initial read, ckd's jumped out at me more...

You know what, I think they both slipped, now that this has been brought to my attention. I'm happy with diddin shooting either, and both if he can today.

[StrangerCoug]

Thanks for the walls of text ><

Saint's response to themanhimself at #475 sticks out like a sore thumb, but the more I read it the less I can really fault Saint.

I'm having a bit of a hard time getting into LynchMePlz vs. WrathChild. WrathChild accuses LynchMePlz of "weak bandwagoning", LynchMePlz counters that it's blatant and not weak, and any more detailed than that I'm getting a mental block. Could anything else important about the argument be summarized please?

[StrangerCoug]

Vig a noob or hang diddin.

This

NEEDS

to be explained. If I'm interpreting this correctly, it's telling diddin to kill a newbie, and diddin in his right mind is going to kill based on how scummy someone is, not how new something is.

Stop wallposting.
I haven't and am not going to read the past 20 posts.

why? The guy you are voting is posting…aren’t you trying to look for scum?

Vote Parama.

Is that vote scummy? What are your top three scum suspects? Are you going to see this vote because you are not reading “walls of text”?

This makes sense on paper, but I'm having a hard time digesting the wall posts too. Why does Parama get singled out while I get a free pass?

~Tags fixed per request.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Move the starting CKD quote tag down to be before the starting Parama vote tag.

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: the starting Parama quote tag

[StrangerCoug]

Yay or Nay about the vig timing guys?

Yay.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, what you're doing makes sense.

[StrangerCoug]

Why do you think he's town? There's gotta be a reason.

Power likes the chainsaw

What do you mean?

Chainsawing- Player A defends Player B from Player C by accusing Player C of being scum.
Is a scumtell, but since A and B have to be scum together for it to be the case you usually wait for a flip.

Defending a player by explaining why the case is invalid is usually more what town defending town looks like.

But I don't see that kind of chainsaw that often. What I do see alot of is scumX attacks townY for accusing townZ of being scum.

The only difference I see between what popsofctown is talking about and what you are talking about is the scumtell not working. Am I missing something important?

I'm really wondering why diddin is procrastinating so much on this mod-kill

Wait, diddin hacked into The Eruci's account!?

~Tags fixed. And I don't get hacked. Note: This is not an invitation to try.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Fix my tags please.

[StrangerCoug]

Red, Directing the doctor is more town or null imo , and is lynch diddin or wc that bad? Ppl are accusing, and I understand pressure as town is good.

Have you considered the possibility of a Mafia roleblocker at all? If there is one and the Mafia finds out who the doctor is, they may put the doctor under scrutiny by keeping roleblocking him or her while killing off the people to whom he or she is directed. Also, I haven't seen it, but according to the Wiki we may also run into a "macho" version of a role (i.e. one that cannot be doc-protected).

[StrangerCoug]

I'd like SG to take some sort of stance on WC/Helghast, can't remember if you have recently.

SC, not SG. Get it straight.
WrathChild vs. Helghast, as I've said, is a bit hard for me to get into. I'll take a closer look tomorrow, though.

@SC The majority of Powers post have been that helghast inst scummy. So it looks like some sort of chainsaw to me. Either Helghast is Powers buddy or Helghast is not in his scum group and he's trying to gain town cred. Least that's how I see it.

I thought you were talking about power roles, silly me

[StrangerCoug]

Have you considered the possibility of a Mafia roleblocker at all? If there is one and the Mafia finds out who the doctor is, they may put the doctor under scrutiny by keeping roleblocking him or her while killing off the people to whom he or she is directed. Also, I haven't seen it, but according to the Wiki we may also run into a "macho" version of a role (i.e. one that cannot be doc-protected).

This seems a little bit alarmist if only from the standpoint that I’d expect any Doc power to be Cycling.

Oh, that's right. I'm more used to roles staying put. Saint should still think before he posts, though.

I promised that I'd look at Helghast and WrathChild, and looking in ISO, Helghast does not appear to be scumhunting. He's defending, but not attacking anybody for anything from what I can determine. That he hasn't voted yet helps cement this thinking. WrathChild's ISO, on the other hand, looks pretty darn town.

UNVOTE: quadz08
VOTE: Helghast

[StrangerCoug]

I promised that I'd look at Helghast and WrathChild, and looking in ISO, Helghast does not appear to be scumhunting. VOTE: Helghast

How is Powerox better than Helghast?

Did I say anything with regard to what I think about Powerrox93? I was asked yesterday to look into WrathChild vs. Helghast, I said I'd comply today, and I did so. If you want my opinion on Power, he isn't better by much, but I'm happy here.

[StrangerCoug]

Disagree SC. Powerrox isn't better at all. He's scummier. Helghast is under suspicion for, as far as I can tell, not doing anything. Power is scummy for making scummy votes and posts. In my view doing scummy things is scummier than not doing anything.

You're free to think that; I don't like what Powerrox93 has been doing either. In fact, now that Helghast is dead, VOTE: Powerrox93.

I understand that you did what you asked but that's exactly what it is, you did

EXACTLY

as you were asked. IDK, maybe its just me but I feel like if you were properly scumhunting then you'd notice that Power is doing the same things that you are voting Helghast for. [sans the vote part]

Even if this weren't my first large game in awhile, I'll still have a better grasp on who's done what when the player list whittles down. If a player has not done anything to stand out to me, then he'll just be a name to me.

[StrangerCoug]

Lastly, powerrox is just incredibly anti-town. He's very clearly our resident VI, and so I will UNVOTE: and...

VOTE: powerrox.

I am in favor of removing VI's and anti-town players early, because I'd rather get rid of them while we still can (as in, when we're not in lylo or a similar situation.)

To me, VI is really misguided town, which is setting off alarm bells telling me you'd like to take care of easy mislynches first. Granted, I don't get VI reads all that often (I'm about ready to call Saint a VI, but he's hard to get a read on), but still, this is a bit disturbing.

[StrangerCoug]

I hate to be the guy that says this, but we've had

three

townie deaths today..... maybe a no lynch wouldn't be such a bad idea?

The hell? You've decided that three town deaths is too many, so you want to no lynch and get us more town deaths? Does this make an ounce of sense to anybody?

UNVOTE: Helghast
VOTE: themanhimself

Quadz: Why are you lynching VI's when you have SCUMREADS? Why is lynching an anti-town player that you think *COULD* be scum when you could lynch someone you're pretty sure is scum?

Anti Town does NOT equal scummy. You have failed to voice your opinion on whether you even think power is scum or not.

unvote, Vote: quadz08

This is in response to diddin, SC, RC, and anyone else who has/will get on me about this. I realize my position goes against site meta, and may be seen as scummy. Nonetheless, my belief is that it is more beneficial to the town to remove distractions early on, allowing more time to cement scumreads and townreads. I think powerrox has been scummy. I think Parama has been scummier. I think that powerrox is significantly more distracting and harder to read than Parama, and will cause unnecessary confusion in later Days. Thus, my vote for powerrox.

OK, if you think a person's legitimately scummy, don't bring up the VI bit.

While I'm at it, what is your stance on Saint?

I in no way understand the powerrox wagon, I just read him in ISO and without over-exaggerating I see him as extremely likely town. His last posts were all trying to understand why helghast was scummy and helghast flipped town.

This doesn't look good. At all. It is possible for scum to stall a town wagon to get cred for wanting to avoid a mislynch.

So he's scum because he believed a townie was town?

*shoots himself in the head*

[StrangerCoug]

@themanhimself, how is a no lynch a good idea...explain.

Because we've had three townies die today already and D1 lynches almost always hit townies. I'm not voting for a no lynch because lynching has advantages, we could hit scum and even if we don't we get reads and lynches tell us something about the people who voted and the people who didn't. But I thought it worth floating the idea.

I've seen scum lynched Day 1 quite a number of times. Don't give "D1 lynches almost always hit townies" as an excuse.

Also, if you don't support no lynching, then why did you ask us to entertain the idea?

We need unity. TMH or Powerox?

I want themanhimself dead.

[StrangerCoug]

vote: TMH

for having me as his #1 suspect, yet voting someone who is not his #1 suspect
flawed logic

Reads change, Saint. I've done it as town too.

plus im town

This tells us nothing.

also, quadz, scummy=/=scum
you must be reading me incorrectly

That may be true, but you can't stab back with a mere "you're wrong." You've got to explain why it's pro-town in your case to do what you're doing.

My mind has actually been changed on Powerrox.

I hate to be the guy that says this, but we've had

three

townie deaths today..... maybe a no lynch wouldn't be such a bad idea?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: themanhimself
No Lynch is only good when a game is at MyLo. And I would be

REEAALLYY

surprised if a large game where at MyLo already with three town deaths. Only scum would suggest No Lynch in non-MyLo-situations.

This newest post is just full of scum in my opinion. First off he completely misrepresents my no-lynch and then far over-exaggerates what he can read into it. But even scummier than that is the voting me at all. If he's town then he knows he needs to protect himself to win so he should know that people who defend him are being pro-town. This doesn't mean he should buddy up to me and never examine me again, but I should be reading pro-town to him. If he's scum, then he's just looking for the quickest way off of his own bandwagon possible and he doesn't care who defends him. Lastly, he completely ignores the case that has been brought against him, in favor of attacking me. That's scum trying to use misdirection and counter-accusations. When I was attacked I explained my reasoning thoroughly, whether or not you thought it was valid, it was at least well-explained.

I don't see the problem with Powerrox93's post here and part of your counterattack is funny. You basically call self-preservation a town tell (not only is it actually a scum tell, but also there are a few town roles where it's actually best to

TRY

to get killed). I can see the part from "if he's scum" onward, though.

Preview edit:

Oh, that's right. I still don't see why we could consider no lynching outside of MYLO, though.

[StrangerCoug]

Should I bother trying to decipher what Saint is thinking anymore?

[StrangerCoug]

Math in the spoiler.

The use of invisible, small, or encrypted text is prohibited. Use your judgment, if it is unreadable by the Moderator, it is unacceptable.

*headdesk*

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: You show seven people on themanhimself's wagon but only list six names.

In other news, my town read on Parama has gone to hell. He claims that he has trouble with the post walls. Fine; so do I. That does not give him the right to refuse to scumhunt, though. At the very least, look for key words and phrases.

[StrangerCoug]

@StrangerCoug

, please change your vote to someone with 0 votes on them so we can see if you're a doublevoter or if it's some strange extra vote ability. If you're a doublevoter, it's probably going to be seen anyway.

UNVOTE: themanhimself
VOTE: RedCoyote

[StrangerCoug]

All right, the virus is back in play and I've got it. Who should it go to?

[StrangerCoug]

SC, does the role PM mention any other trigger for the virus to kill someone?

What do you mean? As far as I'm aware, it works the same way as it did when Parama started with it.

[StrangerCoug]

@StrangerCoug: Pass the virus to me, I want to look at it. I can give it right back if you like. I can't explain why, sorry.

You asked for it

[StrangerCoug]

You want to quit. Why?

[StrangerCoug]

You're asking for an unproductive use for the hot potato. No.

[StrangerCoug]

That's good.

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I didn't have anything on Day 1, so didn't have anything to give on Night 1.

[StrangerCoug]

I am DEFINITELY voting bunnylover, though, as he claimed an ability he CANT have received from MoI. What, did MoI pass that along from the grave?
VOTE: : bunnylover

MoI = town, died before abilities are passed
bunnylover = claimed to have received an ability from a player who died
bunnylover = troll/scum

lynch lynch lynch

Nice catch. popsofctown, if you have not returned me the bomb, give it to Bunnylover.

VOTE: Bunnylover

[StrangerCoug]

I want to hear a defense from Bunnylover before he's chosen for the virus, and I also want to make sure we have a consensus. (although I don't understand the reason Bunnylover would tell a lie, LaL has a tendency to hold true. I won't actively oppose Bunnylynch if his defense is poor).

And I think the virus is still on its way to you. Mod hasn't gotten to it I guess.

If the virus is coming to me, I'll give it to him. Don't worry about it.

[StrangerCoug]

I can not perform a night action, and I actually don't have to pass this ability to anyone else.
The reason I thought MoI passed his ability to me(the one I have right now) is because of two things:
1) I thought their was only 1 VT in this game (got confused with a game I recently joined which only has 1 VT role).

So you had your games mixed up. That I can buy, but...

2) Since MoI died and it showed he possessed no abilities, I thought he passed his ability to me, since in my mind, after reading my new role pm, you could pass your VTness.

I'm having trouble making sense of this since you simultaneously count and discount VT as an ability.

Frankly, what disturbs me most about this situation is that Pops points it out, no one gives knowledge to it, and then one other person points it out and several people go, "OMFG NICE CATCH."

You'd be surprised at how reliable slips are for catching Mafia In one game that allowed role PM quoting, I had the claim almost perfect, but gave out the wrong win condition. I tried claiming jester as a get out of hell free card since players could be revived that game and I could fake my reveal, but that didn't work.

[StrangerCoug]

Prepare to get the virus, Bunnylover.

[StrangerCoug]

@ everybody. Should we discuss what might have been sent to the void/aka, roles that were sent to MOI/chkflp? Will a lack of this discussion hurt us later? Thoughts?

I asked this already and nobody commented.

I'm having trouble deciding either way. While there may be useful town roles in there, there may also be useful scum roles in there.

[StrangerCoug]

Everyone reads my post, and understand that Bunny lied. None of them seem to think Bunny lying is a scummy thing.

Suddenly someone brings up that Bunny lied, and then starts a bandwagon and screams for fire and brimstone on his dishonest soul.

Everyone is seeing the same incident, the same argument, but feeling it's a scummy thing instead of a neutral thing. If it's a scummy thing, they would have posted when I, or earlier, Implosion, pointed it out, not when his lynch became more probable. Therefore, it would appear that there are people voting Bunny for a tell they don't find scummy, which means scum.

MoI passed his ability to me. It is clear what ability he had.

MoI died, he shouldn't have been able to pass anything on... right?

Post 880.

After that, Coug posts several times but says nothing about DBE.

What relevance does DarlaBlueEyes have in this? Her appeal to emotion is worrisome to me, but if I were doctor that night protecting MagnaofIllusion wouldn't have come to me either. She's not on the top of my town list, but she's on there.

I am DEFINITELY voting bunnylover, though, as he claimed an ability he CANT have received from MoI. What, did MoI pass that along from the grave?
VOTE: : bunnylover

MoI = town, died before abilities are passed
bunnylover = claimed to have received an ability from a player who died
bunnylover = troll/scum

lynch lynch lynch

Nice catch. popsofctown, if you have not returned me the bomb, give it to Bunnylover.

VOTE: Bunnylover

Until it seems a popular wagon. q21, implosion, and myself had all mentioned the lie. But Coug doesn't vote until the mention is accompanied by a vote. Whyever would that be?

Did I post after the lie was mentioned but before I voted him for it? My memory's a bit hazy right now and I'm too lazy to check.

Saint followed a similar pattern, not finding the incident worthy of mention until nhammen comments on it with much more aggressive, suspicious language than any previous commenter. It's less damning, but still concerning after a Bunnytown flip.

Bunnylover is still alive, so this implies that, even though you support me having given Bunnylover the bomb to some extent, you know she's town.

FoS.

[StrangerCoug]

What relevance does DarlaBlueEyes have in this? Her appeal to emotion is worrisome to me, but if I were doctor that night protecting MagnaofIllusion wouldn't have come to me either. She's not on the top of my town list, but she's on there.

Really? Despite my observations? Care to comment on why my observations on DBE don't change your view?

Looking at you in ISO, aside from mentions that she won't scumhunt (and a question dodge that you snapped at her about), most of your case on her requires us to look at you quoting her and expect us to conclude that they're scummy posts. Now, if the quotes are all supposed to prove that DBE won't scumhunt, I understand the rhyme to your reason, but if not your case on her is going over my head.

[StrangerCoug]

@IAI 991; Treestumping tmh tomorrow is a good idea. It could both get rid of the treestump and (bonus) assuming tmh is scum (which I am about 99% sure of)

it can confirm curiouskarmadog's alignment; if he fails to treestump tmh, he's mafia. If the treestump dies with tmh, he's town.

What do people think about this plan?

I'm good with this. I should have mentioned that I'm still suspicious of themanhimself, and for some reason I don't like the in-and-out feeling I'm getting from curiouskarmadog.

@Bunny 1031; lol, Saint is gonna rage. Not a terrible choice to send it to.

I disagree. I think giving the virus to Saint is a bit suboptimal as it's basically using it to get rid of a less than helpful, hard to read player.

[StrangerCoug]

This slot has not received the Virus, but presumably that's because of the mod's schedule. (cut: this is no longer true)

Switching off Furcautopilot because there's no reason for me to sit around and let this slot die. Offhand the best person to take it is Parama, since he wants to die anyway <_<

The hell? Didn't we make a big fuss early today about it

NOT

being good to pass it to Parama for wanting to die?

[StrangerCoug]

Don't worry, I think there's a better consensus for that.

[StrangerCoug]

Wow, DBE sent me the virus, in spite of never having indicated suspicion of me, iirc

She did voice a little bit of suspicion of you in her ISO 8, but didn't follow up on it. In fact, that's the only time she mentions you. I think we have a Mafiosa, and her name is DBE.

UNVOTE: Bunnylover
VOTE: DarlaBlueEyes

[StrangerCoug]

Frankly, what disturbs me most about this situation is that Pops points it out, no one gives knowledge to it, and then one other person points it out and several people go, "OMFG NICE CATCH."

You'd be surprised at how reliable slips are for catching Mafia In one game that allowed role PM quoting, I had the claim almost perfect, but gave out the wrong win condition. I tried claiming jester as a get out of hell free card since players could be revived that game and I could fake my reveal, but that didn't work.

I don’t understand how this is relevant. At all.

Bunnylover made a statement that we took as confirming she was scum (receiving an ability from a dead player when the ability cycle processes after the kills), hence my talking about her slipping. She panicked here, and I told her that slipping is a reliable tell, giving one that I made myself as a prime example.

Did I post after the lie was mentioned but before I voted him for it? My memory's a bit hazy right now and I'm too lazy to check.

I don’t like this. Not a scum/town thing, just a playstyle thing.

So you prefer proactive players that do things for themselves. It's fine that you think that, and I should've gone and checked, but I felt kind of meh at the time.

Someone pass the damn thing to me.

No. If you don't feel like being productive, replace out.

[StrangerCoug]

I tried that "being productive" thing and people either yelled at me or ignored me. Fat lot of good that does.

There's not much I can tell you in that department. Try again or let someone else take your spot. We will not help you commit suicide.

[StrangerCoug]

#####HEY MOD feel free to hollow out 1125 and put a votecount there. For serious reals, I don't mind. ESPECIALLY if you recommend me an effective remedy to my carpal tunnel

I'm one of the exercise leads at my work No, seriously. I can suggest exercises that you can do with your fingers.

Bunnylover, WC, and Darla are probably the best three choices for the bomb right now.

I do not advocate Diddin or Saint. My gut tells me people would love to have Saint (or should I say Vi) out of this game.

I agree with this. Bunnylover and DBE are high on my scumlist, I feel Diddin is town, and I already said Saint's a suboptimal bomb target. WC I need a double-check on, but if memory serves me correctly there's a good case on him too. TMH is a good person to get the bomb as well.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't understand why we can't go backwards, frankly. IAI and q21 have brought up sparing diddin (although they both think he's scummy, yes?) in order to lynch theman tomorrow (thereby "testing" whether or not they are on the same team). Why can we not lynch diddin in order to test that today? I mean, it works both ways right? There's going to be a lot of opportunities to crosscheck ability exchanges throughout the game, but there's not going to be a lot of opportunities to lynch scum at the rate we're losing townies.

I don't see the big problem in theory.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: V/LA unter further notice. I think I blew the power supply to my computer.

I hope I didn't, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Out of V/LA. I fortunately just disconnected my power supply from my motherboard by mistake.

[StrangerCoug]

lets let the virus be a town kill

THE HELL!?

[StrangerCoug]

lets let the virus be a town kill

THE HELL!?

lets use it democratically to lynch scum
are you seriously considering that a slip?
don't even start mudslinging and misrepresentation, or I will accuse you of slander. You are borderline for it here, and if you're scum, you're asking for it.

That's awfully defensive of you, Saint. If you cannot post your thoughts clearly, they are going to be misinterpreted. I interpreted that post as saying you want town to be killed with the virus. Now, if you said that we should "let the virus be a town-

DRIVEN

kill", that's a different story and I would not have been caught off guard. I make the best interpretation I can and you respond by biting my head off. That's not how this game works.

Your posting feels pretty pro-town. Is that how you play as scum? If you're that good as scum, I would consider lynching you based upon your unreadability.

Too townie FTL.

[StrangerCoug]

My head hurts right now and I think I have something, but I'm going to chime in and reiterate my scum reads of themanhimself, DarlaBlueEyes, and Bunnylover. I want to say at least two of those are scum.

RedCoyote's interaction with diddin and themanhimself does look off, and forced to pick a fourth suspect, I'd say him. He's not as strong as the others, though.

[StrangerCoug]

I hate to do this twice in close succession, but the problem I complained about regarding not feeling well has gotten worse. I have a fever.

Mod: V/LA again.

[StrangerCoug]

Still sick; just popping in with what I think.

I'm in favor of vigging themanhimself, Saint, and to some extent Parama. TMH and Saint I've already explained why I think of scummy; Parama has made it clear he refuses to contribute.

[StrangerCoug]

Then replace out. You are being useless.

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Out of V/LA.

I seriously thought that was IAI.

Please change your avatar. If I get you one will you use it?

I had been confusing Bunnylover and I Am Innocent as well, and I was wondering why the former's avatar still was what it was (Quirkytown, the game in which I forced him to have that avatar, ended months ago).

I'm disappointed in how the Parama kill turned out, but hey. As I said while I was sick, he had it coming.

Uh, yeah. Especially if he flips "Scum Group 1".

How do you know this is a multiball?

FoS.

Still sick; just popping in with what I think.

I'm in favor of vigging themanhimself, Saint, and to some extent Parama. TMH and Saint I've already explained why I think of scummy; Parama has made it clear he refuses to contribute.

any explanation you've had towards me has been misrepresentation
your slanderousness, however, i am going to hold you liable for in the later stages of the game
if you wish to not have a misunderstanding in lylo as town, you should rectify your behavior towards me
im not omgusy, and i'm not sold you're scum yet, but just say that you are coasting and lurking and casting suspicion without REALLY contributing to the town while just APPEARING to scumhunt which is scum 101

just sayin'

Oh, do we have to go through this again? ><

Where is curiouskarmadog?

[StrangerCoug]

How do you know this is a multiball?

Ever heard of the word "if" before, SC?

Yeah, but there's not a lot of evidence pointing to one right now—only that MagnaofIllusion and chkflip died the same night. What town relevance is there in differentiating Mafia from a potential Mafia A and Mafia B?

[StrangerCoug]

That's funny. When Furcolow posts, I feel suicidal, yet when Vi posts I get a decent town read.

I feel a bit out of this game, so I'm going to go through the last three pages again. Hang on a bit...

[StrangerCoug]

Other than a town nhammen read, nothing I could extract, and I

KNOW

there's a gold mine of stuff I could comment on...

ARGH!

Ah, well. I'm still going to be productive, though.

VOTE: themanhimself
See #679 for the original reason. Also, the more I think of his killing Parama, the less I like it anymore. There was a reason Parama was not given the bomb. Vigging Parama was the cheapest option themanhimself had, and he took it. I regret my support of it.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh, and...

An open question to everyone: how valuable do you consider the dayvig to actually be? Would you be willing to try the following or some version of it:
We give diddin a list of a few people, and he randomly busdrives the dayvig to one of them(so that in case he's scum, he can't use it elsewhere, and to minimize chances of dayvig winding up in the void). ckd passes the stump to tmh. Either shoot him or organize a group of people to spam during times that he isn't online.

Actually, that might be a decent way to control the virus kill... pass it to someone then spam while they're sleeping... it's devious yet could work.

I don't consider it too bad.

[StrangerCoug]

Hey, instead of complaining about what you can't do, why don't you make a concerted effort at what you

CAN

do? You know, like... scumhunt? Other than themanhimself, I have no clue whom you suspect and why, and even with what I do know about your suspicions with TMH it's not an awful lot.

[StrangerCoug]

I see how you got what you got very clearly, but I'm expecting a lot more out of you. You're after one person for one thing. Seventeen players remain. There are not sixteen townies left—I'd say at least ten, maybe eleven. You're not expected to have a top five or a top six, but you

ARE

expected to have more than one scumread at this stage of the game. Three would be nice.

[StrangerCoug]

UNVOTE: themanhimself
VOTE: curiouskarmadog

THIS IS A STICKUP.

Your second and third scummiest reads accompanied with explanations or your life.

I want everyone on record on the following two questions before we get to N2.

1) If TMH survives to D3, and assuming the day vig makes it to D3, should TMH be killed D3 (either voluntarily by holding the virus, or forced through the day vig)?

Yes.

2) If TMH survives D2, should CKD pass the tree stump to TMH N2?

Yes.

[StrangerCoug]

*cough* Thanks for killing the pressure vote. *cough*

[StrangerCoug]

Why does everyone love ckd as town so much? Can we talk about that?

I sure as heck don't like him as town.

Everyone who picked Parama (

the entire scumteam

almost the entire scumteam, and the group we are definitely lynching from today, no questions asked)

• Bunny
  
• theman
  
• WC
  
• ckd
  
• quadz
  
• SC

quadz and SC were the weird ones in that group, btw. quadz, as far as I know, wasn't interested in Parama being shot until Darla flipped. quadz, is this true? SC, you threw Parama in at the end of your post, but the people you wanted shot before Parama (theman and Saint) were fairly unreasonable. Saint may have been shot, but I think you knew it was really between Parama, Bunny, and WC. Did you not?

I wasn't feeling well, as you know, and I was trying to remember who was scummy. Bunnylover I had commented about possibly being scummy for his slip, and I believe WrathChild had been tossed around. If you think "being unreasonable" is not scummy, then please present why.

[StrangerCoug]

That was quadz, but I'd also like to bring up SC.

I agree with this. Bunnylover and DBE are high on my scumlist, I feel Diddin is town, and I already said Saint's a suboptimal bomb target. WC I need a double-check on, but if memory serves me correctly there's a good case on him too. TMH is a good person to get the bomb as well.

Bunny, Darla, Saint, WC, and theman are all potentially good kills according to SC in this post.

I said Saint was suboptimal, meaning that I would have liked the bomb to kill someone else. I do realize this blackens the mark on me given the below, but reads change.

I'm in favor of vigging themanhimself, Saint, and to some extent Parama. TMH and Saint I've already explained why I think of scummy; Parama has made it clear he refuses to contribute.

Now Darla is dead at this point, but what happened to Bunny? What happened to WC from earlier? What about me? Where did Parama come from all of a sudden? Yes, SC was feeling under the weather, but that still doesn't explain why Parama came from out of nowhere.

Bunnylover and WrathChild weren't coming to mind and I didn't consider you for very long. As for Parama, as I said, reads change. I really wanted Parama to contribute. He wouldn't.

[StrangerCoug]

Damn, you post a lot! Will catch up as quickly as I can—I've been busy.

[StrangerCoug]

By the way, I didn't think the virus could be passed at night, so I didn't send in anything. I

DID

pick up something, but for now I'm not going to claim what it is. If the person who passed it to me wants to speak up, he or she can, but I'd like to hang onto it right now.

I thought it was obvious. Yes, I had a role but did not pass it on. However, I did kill RedCoyote, who scored high in the scumputer.

Ooooh! We found the vig and/or SK, VOTE: DrippingGoofball because there's no evidence that you're a vig

What... the... hell. Explain this immediately.

VOTE: themanhimself

[StrangerCoug]

2) StrangerCoug, your one post D3 was vague. Did you have any powers DAY TWO that you could have passed along? I think I am reading that as a No, that you only had the Virus Ability to start D2.

I indeed did not have a power Day 2 that I could have passed on Night 2. The power I started with that day was the Virus.

I have something to say about WrathChild, but I'm going to hang on a bit.

[StrangerCoug]

Quick check on who has claimed Night 2 passes. This is partially based on I Am Innocent's post, so correct me if there are any errors.

Bunnylover → Nobody
curiouskarmadog → Nobody
DrippingGoofball → Nobody
I Am Innocent → implosion and StrangerCoug
implosion → I Am Innocent and popsofctown
LynchMePls → Nobody
nhammen → Saint
popsofctown → Nobody
q21 → implosion
Saint → Nobody
StrangerCoug → Nobody
WrathChild → Nobody

That's everybody, so I'll tell you I had an ability Night 3.

[StrangerCoug]

So the corrected list is:

Bunnylover → Nobody
curiouskarmadog → I Am Innocent
DrippingGoofball → ?
I Am Innocent → implosion and StrangerCoug
implosion → I Am Innocent and popsofctown
LynchMePls → Nobody
nhammen → Saint
popsofctown → Nobody
q21 → implosion
Saint → Nobody
StrangerCoug → Nobody
WrathChild → Nobody

Yes?

[StrangerCoug]

I did not purge Nero Cain on Night 3.

[StrangerCoug]

Goofball mistaking StrangerCoug for someone who has replaced out is understandable because the Coug has been lurking hardcore recently.
That plus ducking out of the D3 ability passage report (IIRC) is a good reason to put him on a scumlist.[/i]

I ducked out of the D3 passage report? What are you talking about?

[StrangerCoug]

By the way, I didn't think the virus could be passed at night, so I didn't send in anything. I DID pick up something, but for now I'm not going to claim what it is. If the person who passed it to me wants to speak up, he or she can, but I'd like to hang onto it right now.

Vague? Yes it is.
Interesting because it's the last time the Virus was seen? Yes it is.
Changes that you've been doing your best not to say anything contentful Today or Yesterday? No it doesn't.

Day 3 didn't last very long—timeanddate.com gives its length as 1 day, 21 hours, 50 minutes and 29 seconds. The Monday after day opened is when I went to get my ID card after work. There's a lot of time eaten up, Vi.

As for Day 4, my head isn't really in the clear right now.

[StrangerCoug]

So no one had the Day Vig yesterday? How does the Void Collector work again?

I know I'm jumping the gun here, but I'll answer.

Apparently, the person who has the void collector (me yesterday, which is how I know this) has to choose somebody to whom to pass both that ability and whatever is in the void. I'll claim to whom I passed the VC tomorrow if I'm alive, but since I misunderstood the ability and thought I didn't have to pass anything I didn't remove from the void, you got the dayvig at random.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh, and...

@ Everyone, please state in your next post if you think at this point in the game, whether we should mass claim our roles from D1/N1 & D2/N2? And why you feel that way.

I thought we did already, but yeah. There may be some patterns that come up.

[StrangerCoug]

And here I thought, I was finally earning a bit of respect. I'm a bit bummed it turned out to be random. Oh well.

If it's any consolation, I would have partaken in the gunning that some people did after you claimed that the dayvig wasn't in the void had the mod not sent me a clarification. It may have taken me awhile to figure out what was going on, but everything makes sense.

[StrangerCoug]

Screw this. CKD hasn't made me happy with his activity, and him not passing the treestump to TMH as requested pretty much confirms him as lurking scum.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

[StrangerCoug]

I actually DO agree with pops about Coug. What, exactly, is Coug screwing in 2247? Fake appeal to emotion is indeed very fake, and a poor cover for jumping on the wagon.

My head hasn't been in this thread all game day and it shows. I was sick and tired of waiting for something to pique my interest and went back on a scumread that I announced earlier.

[StrangerCoug]

According to the cougar, he selected the ability to be retrieved.

That is incorrect. The dayvig was already there when I got the void collector, and I did not remove it from the void. It was clear to me that I had to pass the dayvig if I pulled it out, but it was not clear that I had to even if I didn't.

[StrangerCoug]

So out of everyone we have SC as a confirmed townie since he/she received an ability from TMH?

No. The dayvig was in the void and not given to me directly. I'm suspect, in fact.

[StrangerCoug]

my god, just checking in....will try to catch up this weekend, and will give one of those.."here is what I think as I go out the door" posts...most of it will be ignored(now), until you know that I am town (ie dead)...but could be useful none the less.

How many times have you said "I'll catch up later" or its equivalent now? You have been lurking for a lot of the game and I have no clue who your suspects are.

[StrangerCoug]

my god, just checking in....will try to catch up this weekend, and will give one of those.."here is what I think as I go out the door" posts...most of it will be ignored(now), until you know that I am town (ie dead)...but could be useful none the less.

How many times have you said "I'll catch up later" or its equivalent now?

In question form, to allow the slight possibility that the overall behavior was acceptable so maybe the bus doesn't have to go through.

Once or twice, I'll be forgiving, but curiouskarmadog has a history of this here.

You have been lurking for a lot of the game

Bizzarely declining the opportunity to use hyperbole and say that ckd has been lurking the entire game, if that's even hyperbole at all.

The failure to use hyperbole where appropriate is not a tell.

and I have no clue who your suspects are.

Don't you mean no one has any clue who his suspects are? Or did you phrase it this way since, if you missed a post where he listed them with the scumskim reading style, the original statement is still valid, protecting you from having made a false statement, protecting you from getting lynched, protecting the scum wincon.

I can only speak for myself, although I don't see how anybody else can have a clue either.

Does SC make weird posts like this as town?

I

DO

think a lot of my posts over as any alignment, but if they come off awkward, that's the StrangerCoug for you. I'll be happy to try to clarify, though.

[StrangerCoug]

you talking about this game or all my games? what is your point or are you just peddling bullshit?

I'm talking about this game. I don't remember the last useful post you made here. (Hell, did you at all?)

To catch scum, people need to contribute. There is a reason a majority is required to get a lynch (and why some mods, me included, will not lower the majority requirement in a deadline scenario). I may not be a fan of Lynch All Lurkers, but a good number of players do, and for what I'm starting to see as a good reason: Lurking serves no pro-town purpose. It is anti-information and a good way to avoid taking any controversial stances. If you avoid controversial stances as scum, then you should be able to get an easy win, right?

That's why town likes active people who make useful, convincing input into the game.

Post your top three scum reads in the next 48 hours or die.

[StrangerCoug]

If you expect me to be a SK, you'd expect me to be un-nightkillable, right? So you have to put double time to have me lynched.

SK's aren't always nightkill-immune. Be careful suggesting this.

[StrangerCoug]

therefore, SC is by no means clear, and should not be colored blue

TMH passed somthing to SC, no?

No, TMH got lynched. His ability went to the void, and I got its collector. We've said this several times now.

[StrangerCoug]

TMH passed Dayvig to the Void N2. Coug picked it up out of the Void. There was no explicit handoff.

I already said I did not pull the dayvig out of the void. My doing so would have made it clear to me that I had to pass it; therefore, its recipient would not likely have been randomized last night.

[StrangerCoug]

TMH passed Dayvig to the Void N2. Coug picked it up out of the Void. There was no explicit handoff.

I already said I did not pull the dayvig out of the void. My doing so would have made it clear to me that I had to pass it; therefore, its recipient would not likely have been randomized last night.

Whichever. Would you like to talk about something relevant to the thread?

Yeah. What's taking curiouskarmadog so long to comply with my request, and why isn't DrippingGoofball in an insane asylum? Looking at the latter's posting, she seems to crack under being pressured with SK accusations when the two most likely alignments she are are that and a second Mafia group.

In english, he's probscum. He's trying to convince that he doesn't like to play mafia. But I think StrangerCoug likes to play mafia. He may not like to play scum though.

If my win percentages haven't changed by much, I actually do fairly well as scum; that's why my Wiki says I prefer this alignment. The problem I'm having is that I tend to do better early on in the game.

[StrangerCoug]

Ignoring self-provided meta on principle, i remember you seeming less enthusiastic as scum. Perhaps only when you're losing, but two shotguns down and ckd lynch all but mandatory, that's probably the case.

Ah, yes. The game you hate me for, right?

TMH passed Dayvig to the Void N2. Coug picked it up out of the Void. There was no explicit handoff.

I already said I did not pull the dayvig out of the void. My doing so would have made it clear to me that I had to pass it; therefore, its recipient would not likely have been randomized last night.

power role softclaim
SC, out with it[/quote]

UNVOTE: curiouskarmadog
VOTE: Saint
All I was doing was clarifying what happened with the void collector. Here's the rundown of what happened:

1. themanhimself was lynched while he had the dayvig ability.
   
2. The dayvig went to the void.
   
3. I Am Innocent passed me the void collector; the dayvig was the only thing in the void.
   
4. I did not remove the dayvig from the void.
   
5. Due to a misinterpretation of passing procedure, I submit a recipient only for the void collector.
   
6. WrathChild, therefore, got the dayvig by default. As it was not removed from the void (and probably because there is no longer a virus), he cannot use it.

Even so, I fail to see how my post indicates that anything was passed to me last night.

If my win percentages haven't changed by much, I actually do fairly well as scum; that's why my Wiki says I prefer

this

alignment. The problem I'm having is that I tend to do better early on in the game.

THIS alignment
...

this

alignment
scumslip

I sometimes use "this" to refer to what I just mentioned. I never meant the post to imply that I am scum.

[StrangerCoug]

I'll answer your question when you tell me how you got that I have a power role

RIGHT NOW.

You're rolefishing.

[StrangerCoug]

Saint has no way of knowing you have a power role right now. My guess is Furcolow misread your description of Void Collector.

Then I want him to answer. I'll take the grain of salt if I have to.

As for the bolded threat, the intended emphasis is how Furcolow got that I currently have a power role, not that I want how he got that I have a power role in the next 30 seconds or so, but I would like a quick response.

StrangerCoug, please move your vote back to CKD. Saint is not going to be lynched today, especially since q21's death if flipping scum would confirm that slot.

Let me pressure an answer from Furcolow without Vi stepping in. If I'm happy, then I'll switch back.

[StrangerCoug]

Ignoring self-provided meta on principle, i remember you seeming less enthusiastic as scum. Perhaps only when you're losing, but two shotguns down and ckd lynch all but mandatory, that's probably the case.

Ah, yes. The game you hate me for, right?

I don't hate you for any game, and I don't know which game you're referencing here.

Apparently, you've let bygones be bygones about Open 96.

[StrangerCoug]

Thinking about it, I remember something along those lines, yes.

[StrangerCoug]

Also, thanks for lying about having a power role

Where did I lie about a power role? I was clarifying what happened with the void on Day and Night 3; if you got anything about me having a power role at this exact moment, then you need to have your head checked.

[StrangerCoug]

I would like to hear everyone's opinion on these new most new and dangerous ideas before I offer any sort of defense, actually.

I'm not inclined to believe anything DrippingGoofball says anymore as she is my SK suspect. As for LynchMePls, I can see his case on you and I'm currently deciding how to go about this. Saint is my only strong read other than her.

[StrangerCoug]

I would like to hear everyone's opinion on these new most new and dangerous ideas before I offer any sort of defense, actually.

I'm not inclined to believe anything DrippingGoofball says anymore as she is my SK suspect. As for LynchMePls, I can see his case on you and I'm currently deciding how to go about this. Saint is my only strong read other than her.

I will have to look back at the chart, but I think q21/Saint had a handoff which should confirm Saint.

Roleblock

(Saint (DBE) ->

q21

->

Implosion

(NC) -> ??? -> ???)

So much for that then.

I never had void collector

StrangerCoug, who did you pass the void collector too.

You.

Also @ StrangerCoug, you say you did not recover the dayvig, but it still passed on?

That is correct.

[StrangerCoug]

ITT StrangerCoug claims scum. No hunting Yesterday, not even a master of the obvious Today.

I am not going to remember six million passes. What I am going to do is pay more attention to who's scummy than who passed to whom.

Plus I find the idea of passing an ability (Void Collector) to the same person who gave it to him to be suspect.

I'm looking for townie players to give roles to, and I Am Innocent was the best idea I could come up with.

[StrangerCoug]

@DGB: Are you still claiming you didn't have the purge ability the night NC died?

I am the new generation. I make the program evolve.

The purge is always mine.

When I purge a player, or when I hammer a player (does this become clearer now?), I get to scan them for abilities. I can shelf their abilities, or I can re-circulate them.

I got the Ability Remover shelved, because it shouldn't fall into the hands of scum.

I got the Tree Stump shelved. It is no longer a threat. The Tree Stump is in my possession, yet it does not affect me.

Let me prove it, showing that I do have a vote:

VOTE: Pops

Now, it should be abundantly clear that I have been gunning for scum, and scum alone.

If I were a SK, I'd be gunning down townies that are likely to have abilities and I would have removed them from play. I also would not have attracted attention with repeated hammers (WIFOM, I know), on players that weren't supposed to have any abilities. I have only removed abilities that were a detriment to the town.

I am NOT NK-immune. The remaining scum will kill me tonight. I am their #1 enemy. I purged two of them from vote analysis alone, and hammered two that were wagoned by the rest of the town.

I think if we lynch pops, we will win the game right there and then.

If we don't, I will be NK'd.

The shelved abilities return to play when I die in a different way depending on whether I am killed during the day phase, or during the night phase.

Letting me die in the night phase would be best.

I suspect pops will fight this one tooth and nail, because his lynch is probably the end of the road for the Daevori

A weak vote on the person you don't want confirmed town by your death. How lovely.

I'd give you my vote, but:

IF YOU ARE VOTING RIGHT NOW, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY DOING IT WRONG AND BEING ANTI-TOWN. SO KNOCK IT OFF.

We have no deadline pressure and we have a veritable SHIT TON of minable data.

@IAI: I think LMP might have meant a massclaim of the abilities we're HOLDING, so we can confirm more townies at the expense of losing some PRs. I'd rather get some info on the third faction by lynching DGB though, so we can make sure confirmed innocents are actually confirmed to be innocent.

Mostly this. We have a set of confirmed towns and a set of unconfirmed towns. If we mass claim all abilities, we can orchestrate the usage and passing of all the abilities in the game in such a way that we are guaranteed a town win. At least, that's my theory.

But I actually have another idea I've been brewing where we massclaim, but in a controlled way:

We have all the NON-CONFIRMEDS do full claims, including their abilities. Then the CONFIRMED players discuss the targetting AND passing of those abilities. Ideally we force NON-CONFIRMEDS to pass to NON-CONFIRMEDS. In this way we create more links between the NON-CONFIRMEDS so that when we do lynch a scum, if the game doesn't end we should generate more CONFIRMEDS. We then proceed to lynch from the pool of NON-CONFIRMEDS until we hit the final scum.

Of course the downside to the massclaiming (or even the "semi" mass claim) is we're going to be conceding a kill to the scum every night, whereas right now they don't know who the best target is (due to protective abilities).

Also, I think DGB is the only proper lynch at this point. The fewer kills in this game state the better, and there is the incredibly likely chance that she is SK anyways.

TL;DR
What I'm saying is that I think with a mass claim by the NON-CONFIRMEDS plus some optimal strategy we can game this setup from this point to an auto win.

I don't see a problem with this plan.

So my suggestion:

The four confirmed innocents state whether they have the hibernate ability or not.

If none do, the person with the reuser ability randomly chooses one of the four players to protect. If one does have the hibernate ability, the person chooses one of the other three players to protect tonight. All randomly, and all quietly (DO NOT COME FORWARD WITH THE REUSER ABILITY, & ESP DO NOT SAY WHO YOU WOULD BE PROTECTING).

We lynch DGB. If he dies, we roleblock BunnyLover (who has claimed 0 abilities today) and Track StrangerCoug

If we lynch DGB and for some strange reasons he survives the lynch (Treestump?), we roleblock DGB and Track BunnyLover (who once again should have no abilities).

The the end of the night, Hibernate ability, and probably (?) reuser ability should be passed to Confirmed Innocent.

Thoughts people?

On paper, it's great, but in practice I'm afraid of what will happen if scum refuses to kill because he or she suspects being tracked if he or she does.

Guys I wrote I actually wrote the 'p' in popsofctown at the top of my math quiz today before erasing it and writing my name.

I often sign my artwork "Jeffrey 'StrangerCoug' Hope" (my first and last name's in my Wiki, so it's not like it's hard to figure out anyway.

[StrangerCoug]

A weak vote on the person you don't want confirmed town by your death. How lovely.

Hello scum. If you read the game and wrote your own stuff instead of cannibalizing other people's large posts to inflate your 5 line post, you would know that I unvoted since pops is confirmed town.

That's good to hear.

I'm willing to demonstrate that the Tree Stump, which is in my possession, has no effect on me as evidenced by a vote - shall I vote you, StrangerCoug?

Apparently, you can't read either. The tree stump is gone.

If we lynch DGB and for some strange reasons he survives the lynch (Treestump?), we roleblock DGB and Track BunnyLover (who once again should have no abilities).

You sound so eager to see me dead. And so worried that I may survive, that you want me

ROLEBLOCKED

at night?????????????

You misquoted here. I Am Innocent suggested that, not me.

[StrangerCoug]

As much as everyone knows I want that to be never, the answer today is to lynch DGB. She fakeclaimed a role out of the rotation, which shouldn't happen as town, and she doesn't make sense as Daevori. If the SK is gone, we have more time to find the Daevori.

[StrangerCoug]

Meanwhile, StrangerCoug is the "scum-giving-up" of the day, he stopped making sense altogether.

I'd go all

tu quoque

on you, but what's coming to mind first is imagining you going "la la la". Wanting you dead ≠ giving up.

[StrangerCoug]

Regarding the plan, one item a few people expressed concern with is that the scum may not put a kill in, to either trick us or for whatever reason.

Guess what, if we take out the purge ability D5 and the scum refuse to NK ever again at night, then with 4 confirmed townies we lynch until we win.

That makes me feel better.

[StrangerCoug]

Pre-emptive apology for the wall...

Also @ StrangerCoug, you say you did not recover the dayvig, but it still passed on?

I would like the holder of the Void Collector from D4 to come forward and look at the rules and see if you buy that explanation? From the instruction I got, I had to say to recover the Hibernate Ability, even though it was the only one in the void...

Also @ StrangerCoug, you say you did not recover the dayvig, but it still passed on?

That is correct.

I am going to assume that what is meant here is that you did not CHOOSE to pass it on. But you did pass it on (randomly) because the mod required it (as explained by IAI). If this is not correct, then please explain more thoroughly, but this is what I have been assuming.

You have it right.

[StrangerCoug]

1) Were you told by the mod you needed to activate the DayVig from the Void?

No.

[StrangerCoug]

1) Were you told by the mod you needed to activate the DayVig from the Void?

No.

Hi scum

Hi, SK! How are you?

[StrangerCoug]

wasn't on the wagon

Thought I was ><

[StrangerCoug]

I didn't pick up anything then. You make a good point about WrathChild, though.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm hanging on to my vote until I hear the track result.

[StrangerCoug]

I'd vote for WrathChild for obvious reasons, but we need to follow plan here.

VOTE: StrangerCoug

[StrangerCoug]

UNVOTE: StrangerCoug

[StrangerCoug]

I want to lynch WrathChild the most, but as quiet as Bunnylover is, he's acceptable for the rope also. I believe we have one scum left, so LynchMePls is not an option and I'm treating him as a confirmed player.

[StrangerCoug]

No.

[StrangerCoug]

RC had me fooled, and SC for a while, but his lurking when town was excited and chattering was his giveaway. At that point though, he was fighting an almost impossible uphill battle.

Quoted for truth. I pretty much knew a loss would happen sooner or later (my third as Mafia in a row ><), so I pretty much quietly accepted it.

I think Quirkytown (similar, but with post restrictions that cycle first instead of last) might give you some ideas, The Eruci. Granted, I feel that could use a few changes, too, but still...

[StrangerCoug]

@Strangercoug: Was "this alignment" actually a slip, or did it really refer to whatever you just mentioned in your head? Or do you not know?

I'm not going to fight that it was a slip.