Mafia 123 - Outdoorsmen Mafia 2 GAME OVER

[don_johnson]

hiyo! will read up soon.

[don_johnson]

catching up...

familiar with six names on the player list.

hydras are okay, but posting needs to be done under the same account. if not, i see no reason to lynch you. large games are good that way.

wow. very convincing rvs case on pacman.

not sure why dh is saying guderian.

guderian = overreaction.

i didn't know mastin was a "well-known" scumhunter. i had the impression they were a lurky VI. but i think i've only shared a game or two with them and it had to be a long time ago.

so guderian claims scum?

post 45. iam launches the either/or fallacy question. i don't like it one bit.

nacho is town.

iam 53 redeems.

aaaaaaaaaannnnnddd parama claims scum. got it.

55 and 56. please don't play the noob card simultaneously. not here. not now.

and tyler plays the noob card. *facepalm*

my lynch pool here sits at tyler/untrod/ender...

and parama.

Maybe one is larger, but less powered.

i don't like this. i know what its supposed to mean, but it reads like a scumslip.

70. no. you are avoiding the situation. making early lists helps root out scum, spur discussion, and leaves a veritable trail of votes and suspicions for townies to look back at and find scum at a later date.

add guderian.

76. nothing about nhammen says he's town. but you give him the "misguided" pass. i don't get it.

dh starts to look worse.

82 is silly. pouring salt on a wound is scummy.

nhammen. my kind of monkey. picking up on the same shit i'm seeing.

93. uberscummy. this is a large game. there is no reason to unvote here.

94: nhammen, marry me.

102: why defend nacho? also, asking empking to contribute more is like asking a donut to not be so tasty.

117: rosswilliam again being silly.

First of all, Werewolf just dug himself a nice little hole by proving he's not reading with the above post and will probably get my vote when I read through again.

then why "read through again"? in fact, why continue posting? why not just vote wolf and be done with it?

145 = no good.

tj is now bordering on being "the scum using every possible out of game issue to account for his lack of content" guy. that has to be what, 2 or 3 posts of nothing but excuses as to why he's not posting? i'd have to go back and check, but i'm sensing a pattern.

vote: rosswilliam

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[don_johnson]

That'll help me catch up. At a glance, don't like EPM or DH but I do need to read more carefully before getting in depth.

^^ this? really? ross basicaally chimes in with

one sentence

of alleged content and uses that sentence to point the finger at two of the more vocal players in the game. not to mention that both players were on opposite sides of an argument, thus giving ross an easy way to justify a vote on either of them at a later time. how is this "town" again?

Ross isn't a new player, obviously, but it's an example of a read that I feel Don was only looking half-heartedly at, not really thinking about it for more than a few seconds.

His harsh treatment of newbies

and his general reads feel like they are extremely lazy, putting no intention to look even remotely beyond the surface.

please point out the "harsh treatment".

When you look only at the literal meaning, you are not being a good player; EVERYone has to do a little reading between the lines.

ad hom.

I do so more than most people do, but still, everyone needs at least some of that basic effort to understand the meaning.

yes. i read the entire thread. i pointed out what i felt was off while i was reading it. i then laid my vote on who i felt was the most suspicious of all. the guy with two poorly reasoned votes, no content, and a fingerpoint at two players in an early argument. zero scumhunting. zero content. two votes.

And when you do that, Ross looks town, not scum. Most of the newbies look good, too, yet from what I saw, you didn't have a positive opinion on any of them.

when you do what? ignore their play? pretend they are giving content when they are not? if you are going to DEFEND a group of players then you need to produce a little more than "well, if you look past the surface you will see they are town.

you are full of bs. you are defending players who have done nothing to deserve it. you are not adequately explaining anything. tell me, in 50 words or less, why you think rosswilliam is not deserving of a vote.

That is not how any good player plays mafia.

ad hom.

noob cards:

I'm really disliking the fact that after a couple pages with little not many people posting people are making decisions on who's scum and town already.

I haven't played any games

except from newbie games on this site but you can't automatically decide who's scum and who isn't...

...

I have never been in a game where people make srsface scumlists on page 2.

I really have no idea what to make of this.

One of these days, I'll post without having to correct it.

saying "one of these days" implies that this happens alot to you. i interpret it as you being newbie. its not a big deal. i didn't make it a big deal. you tried to imply that i made a big deal about it, but fact is, i didn't. in fact, i didn't vote any of the three players i called out on the noob card. the rest of your posting lacks content imo. if you would like i can do a pbp iso for you. as it is, i would rather you look at rosswilliam and tell me if you think he's town. then ask yourself why calcifer is defending people and what you think about his response to my rosswilliam vote. those types of things are going to be more helpful than trying to engage in a semantics argument over what i consider to be "playing the noob card" and what you consider to be "playing the noob card". the point is rather irrelevant atm. but whatever.

You aren't considered two different players though. You are considered one. That's the risk you take with hydras.

Agree with everything before you produce output in a QT or on AIM or something or I'm replacing out.

lynching them out is an option as well. especially considering mastin seems intent on wallposting fluff and defending players who should be defending themselves...

[don_johnson]

i referred to the posts as "playing the noob card". that's not "overreacting".

i didn't say "omgz we gotz to lynch these mothafuckas RIGHT NOWZ!".

i would rather you look at rosswilliam and tell me if you think he's town. then ask yourself why calcifer is defending people and what you think about his response to my rosswilliam vote. those types of things are going to be more helpful than trying to engage in a semantics argument over what i consider to be "playing the noob card" and what you consider to be "playing the noob card". the point is rather irrelevant atm. but whatever.

but instead you choose to argue the "noob" thing. anytime you want to start contributing, you let me know.

[don_johnson]

chk: kik's posts are mine. she was logged into my smart phone and i didn't realize it.

DGB: i'd rather keep the pressure on rosswilliam, but i could be persuaded to a tj lynch. rosswilliams 1st post just looks like scum calling out the participants of the obligatory "argument which generates discussion" that seems to happen in a large percentage of games. it doesn't necessarily "clear" the participants(especially in a dual scum set-up, but it just looks like real poor form. follow it up with the unreasoned votes and i don't see a reason to think he's town. i mean, i make unreasoned votes too, i think a lot of players do and i don't think it a stand alone scumtell, but when you put the pieces together in a post count of 3, you just have to wonder...

[don_johnson]

thanks mastin. the explanation makes sense. though i don't agree with the entire thought process, i get where you're coming from. also, it appears rw has replaced out.

unvote, vote: guderian

for this:

Mastin, why do you want to get information rather than lynch scum? If you want to lynch scum, vote DH.

i thought mastin's explanation was clear enough. dgb jumping on this point gives me pause as well.

[don_johnson]

this is dumb. werewolf looks VI.

werewolf, do not claim. wait for threat of hammer. suggesting early claim is SCUMMY.

unvote, vote: demonhybrid

[don_johnson]

no double standard.

However, I'd prefer to react to a claim and hammer if it's okay with everyone.

^^ chicken or egg? looks like dh suggested first. then empking. also, dh wants to "react"

and

"hammer". why get the claim at all if the intent is to hammer regardless? maybe its a typo, but are you honestly thinking a werewolf lynch is going to tell us anything? there is no indication that werewolf is scum which means we need to weugh his lynch on info gathered. of which, there will be none. unless of course you want to call the wagon "uber scummy" and imnplicate everyone involved in this insidious quicklynch attempt? whatever.

[don_johnson]

w.o.w.

look at all the "reaction" you got from that claim. [/sarcasm]

thanks, dh, for all that enlightening discussion you allowed us to have on day 1.

2. He claims and I have decided that his claim is not genuine for whatever reason

and that he is definite scum

Lets take the leap and see what happens. Regardless,

I guarantee scum is on the wagon

somewhere in the middle, but analyzing it will come in time.

hi. my name is demonhybrid. and i'm scum.

seriously.

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[don_johnson]

been battling a stomach virus. i'll get in here in the next couple of days with some thoughts.

[don_johnson]

Vote: DH

i call bullshit here as well. what kind of "definite" conclusions are you going to have on day 2 of a large game anyways? you have his alignment. role should be an afterthought.

[don_johnson]

anyone have some adrenaline? this game needs a shot in the arm...

wah wah waaaaaahhhh....

[don_johnson]

huh. DRK. i'll have to fight the urge to vote him.

Battle Mage: today is DH or EPM. pick one.

[don_johnson]

i heart parama and drk.

[don_johnson]

Why are those the only two choices?

they are not. they are who i think should be lynched today. going outside of those choices is a waste of time atm imo.

Why is this directed specifically at Battle Mage?

because i chose to engage him.

Was he expressing suspicion of someone you didn't want him to?

no. i don't care who he expresses suspicion of. i was simply pointing out that it would be more beneficial if he focused on our top two suspects for now.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote EPM

yuppers.

[don_johnson]

sad to see drk go. he had his shit together.

vote: nhammen

for now.

in other news...

GO PACK GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[don_johnson]

By the way, is it better for the other Mason to come out now? Or wait until the next day?

Legitimate inquiry. A confirmed townie would do us a world of good, but not with two/three easy lynches on the line, including myself.

unvote, vote DH

are you always this stupid? scum is dropping like flies and you want a mason claim?

[don_johnson]

my apologies. that wasn't meant as an insult. it was a question.

you ask if its a good idea for the mason to claim, then say you don't think its a good idea. thats my idea of an absolutely useless anti-town post as the only thing that can come of it is a mason claim, which you agree it is entirely too early for. but whatever. ignore me if you want.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: parama

sure. whatever.

[don_johnson]

vote: calcifer

[don_johnson]

emp: investigate iam tonight?

scum: you really need to kill empking.

doc??: don't protect empking?

welcome to the loony bin. lets get this done.

[don_johnson]

i'm actually the other mason. i was actually giving scum some sound advice.

emp: why no investigation results?

[don_johnson]

today we should policy lynch iam. they declared massive v/la earlier with no thought of replacing out. could be coasting scum.

[don_johnson]

I was about to call Don out on not being mason (seeing a lack of connection between him and chk/DRK), but I am mistaken. Don is mason imo.

what changed your mind? drk left an extemely convoluted breadcrumb, if you picked up on it i will send you a dollar.

[don_johnson]

it happens.

vote: iamusername

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: bvoigt

iam's case has a lot of words...

[don_johnson]

ok.

here's how its going down.

noone votes. i am going to reread this entire thread. i will post my thoughts. none of you should speak until then. we may end up no lynching unless i can find the final scum. pretty sure we're looking at iam. but i want a full read first.

[don_johnson]

to be clear, we're looking for third party to calcifer/battlemage, correct? its going to be a bitch keeping replacements straight. its probably going to take me a while to get a whole reread done, so if you guys all want to lynch, then feel free to discuss. just no votes.

[don_johnson]

trying to read this game makes my soul weep. here are my reads so far

scum:
nhammen

leaning scum:
calcifer
EPM

WTF:
Battle Mage

leaning town:
DRK
Parama

town:
iamusername

will give some reasons later

i like this one.

[don_johnson]

looks like dh is claiming scum. interesting.

carry on.

[don_johnson]

you guys suck. i'm actually gonna have to reread this thread. gut says DH is dinal scum. shark # 2. iam is town.

[don_johnson]

hm. tough one.

carry on.

[don_johnson]

^^ excellent.

iam: hows about sharkfinn?

[don_johnson]

vote: sharkfinn

[don_johnson]

its probably iam. if its you, fess up. games over.

[don_johnson]

sorry guys. when i said "iam is town" and neither of you blinked i figured i was right. should have listened to the little voice in the back of my head...