Mafia 124 - Dilemma Mafia (Day 6)

[Jahudo]

Good stuff so far Fate. A Darla wagon looks tempting. Where is she?

[bobsnox]

Good stuff so far Fate. A Darla wagon looks tempting. Where is she?

what have I been saying gosh

[Fate]

You've been saying nothing that anyone in a 100 years would agree to or sheep you on or be convinced of I bet.

And oh, do I bet.

So Jahundo apparently missed the part where I called him scum with Darla

<_<

And bobs thinks that I'm not real unless there's caps, wut?

[Fate]

1. bobsnox (1) - DarlaBlueEyes,
2. DarlaBlueEyes (4) - Bub Bidderskins, CMAR, MoreWhisky, flinter
3. flinter
4. DLG
5. Jahudo
6. Bub Bidderskins (1) - Llarmable
7. Fishythefish
8. Brokenscraps
9. CryMeARiver
10. Nikanor
11. Yosarian2
12. Final Fires
13. Llarmable (5) - Yosarian2, Jahudo, Nikanor, Fishythefish, bobsnox
14. MoreWhisky (2) - DLG, Final Fires

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That is a pretty obvious contradiction from Whisky, in subsequent posts no less. I don't see another way to interpret it than he forgot he had made a Darla+ender connection.

And I have a bad feeling about how Whisky is framing the Darla case now, with her as a lurker.

One thing that is going on in this town is that your better of not posting, I say that as this is what Darla is doing now(even if these reasons are very genuine) and its working!

Darla went on V/LA recently, which can't be faulted, and she has made 24 posts, more than most of us. I also don't think she's been fluff posting either. So what is the accusation here?

unvote;
Vote: MoreWhisky

oh hohohohoho.

Llmarble is at L-1 and hes still alive today?

WHAT THE FUCK TOWN?

Why I am convinced of Bidderscum:

Complete lack of towntells. I see nothing in his posting that looks difficult to believe from scum.

.... Llmarble gets rope. Real soon, but not before Darla.

Yeah the rest of that post is a horribad stretched case full of twisting and misrepping Bud's posts. Hmph.

NO AMOUNT OF BRACING IS GONNA SAVE YOU FROM THE WRATH OF FATE LLMARBLE, YOU HEAR ME? YOURE FUCKIN DEAD.

OH WAIT. YOURE THAT TERRIBLE PLAYER WHO WAS TUNNELED ON GUDERIAN IN THAT ONE GAME WERENT YOU?

WELL YOU STILL NEED TO DIE. JUST LIKE I MISLYNCHED YOU ON PURPOSE IN

THAT

GAME JUST TO SHUT UP YOUR TERRIBLE POSTING.

Llmarble's reads are genuinely stupid, but don't let that stop you from lynching him after a Darla-scum flip. I really would've liked to see his claim, but it doesn't seem like I'll be getting it D1 thanks to Fishys unvote.

I've read it, I feel that to be an accomplishment with this pounding headache, but I'm not doing a post by post analysis like I had started to do.

Scum

Ender's Slot, now Llarmable
Darla
Bobsnox

Null

Albert's slot, now Flinter (leaning scum)
Pom's slot, now Fishy
Brokenscraps (has remarkably flown under my radar)
Nikanor (leaning scum)
MoreWhisky (leaning scum)

Town

DLG
Jahudo
Bub
FinalFires
Yos (leaning null)

Vote: Lla...wait just checked vote count and this is a hammer. I'm comfortable with a hammer after a) agreement from the town b) a non-pr claim

Bad catchup post. Of course thats null from CMAR, and I had a town read on Striekr earlier (Nikanor seemed to have a scumread on him, *shrug*)


Ah so Llmarble claims VT. Yeah I guess this seals it, Llmarble is bad obvtown.
*sigh*

Fishy on the other hand is good obvtown, so that's something. I'd expect Yosarian to agree with Fishy's Post defending LL, but instead he accuses Llmarble of flailing OMGUSing tells. No comment on the VT claim at all either. *sigh* I was looking forward to playing with Yostown.

Side-note: How the hell does this turn into a Morewhisky lynch? Deadline scrambling?

1. bobsnox (1) - DarlaBlueEyes,
2. DarlaBlueEyes (3) -, CMAR, MoreWhisky, flinter
3. flinter
4. DLG
5. Jahudo
6. Bub Bidderskins (2) - Llarmable, Fishythefish
7. Fishythefish
8. Brokenscraps
9. CryMeARiver
10. Nikanor
11. Yosarian2
12. Final Fires
13. Llarmable (6) - Yosarian2, bobsnox, Bub Bidderskins, Brokenscraps, Final Fires, DLG
14. MoreWhisky (1) - Jahudo

Yos2 is scum on the Marble wagon, guaranteed. Its a shame Yosarian revealed all his scummeta to me in Caffwagon Mafia postgame, as now I know how he thinks all too well.

Oh yay bobsnox is displaying his true-town skills by voting FISHY!!! For what? Not thinking there might be multiple teams? For fucks sake.

Looking over, I believe that the llar marble wagon was a good one
VOTE: Llarmable

Whammy.

Darlascum finally came back! Yay!


Wow Llmarble L-2ed toward deadline again? Congrats derailing a lynch off you TWICE Marble.

Fine. I'll bite because I want a lynch.

vote Llama

that's L-2. Two more people vote this.

This is the cautions mcnancypants earlier on, right? Wrong. This is scum.

Yos seems too experienced of a player not to have town on me at this point (haha burden of proficiency), and he has been voting the enderslot the entire game. Also many of his arguments have a twisty feel to them.

P. much this.

*reads Whisky's softclaim and subsequent claim*
*double checks front page*

...ffff. A VT trying to draw the doc protect! CLASSIC.

[Fate]

D2:

Fishy and DLG immediately get into a crossvoting town on town dickfight. Joy.

1. Quicklynch. You called for someone to hammer Llama when he was clearly producing content, and discussion was very much ongoing. I call that a quicklynch. Your stance seems to be that it isn’t possible to quicklynch someone who has produced some content, which I find ridiculous. If that’s not what you mean in post 36, please clarify.

The idea that a Llama wagon was a "quicklynch", at a point where most of us had already been wagoning that player slot for something like two weeks, when he'd had a chance to respond to everything, and when he had claimed, is kind of crazy.

In fact, if we had lynched him then, like we should have, we wouldn't have had the kind of random deadline bullshit that we did that prevented him from being lynched for no good reason and lynched Whiskey instead. That's why you don't always wait right up until the deadline; when you have a good case on someone, you give them a chance to respond, you give them a chance to claim if they want to, and then you lynch them, you don't stall for another few weeks.

Fishy's overall posting here is bizzare. He was willing to lynch Llama at deadline, after defending him for days, but is upset that DLG was willing to lynch Llama at deadline when DLG had clearly suspected Llama for most of the game? However, we can't let ourselves get sidetracked again today here.

Vote:llarmable

After we lynch him, like we should have yesterday, and hesto scum, then we'll deal with Fishy's crazy attempts to distract from the wagon again; Fishy managed to derail the Llamarble wagon yesterday with a lot of frantic handwaving, I am not willing to let him do it again today.

Ok now I'm just wondering if Yosarian is just rustytown or not as good as scum as he claimed.

Buds' town read is eroding. Still not a priority anytime soon though, as Yos, Bud, and werewolf arent all SCUM VOTING BLOX on Marble.

DLG being misguided onto the Marble wagon. The FUCK is up with you people and voting Marble?

Heh. Yeah, that's another reason to lynch him. You usually want to lynch the claimed VT's, all else being equal.

Whoops. Looks like Yosarianscum forgot his meta was "Lynch all Vanilla claims on site immediately" or maybe I just forgot that it was his meta and that is was more subtle than "LYNCH DAT VANILLA CLAIM NAO"

Nah its the former. Yosarian isn't with the town this time. Oh look at that, he buddies up to a single town player, DLG. If he can read DLG as town he can read Llmarble as town, the only difference is that Yosarian wants to push Marble's mislynch and be on DLG's good side.

Reads coming soon, almost done.

Oh wow who's this guy with a sexy avatar that replaced Nikanor? Townposting so far from him.

[Fate]

1. bobsnox (1) - DarlaBlueEyes,
2. DarlaBlueEyes (3) -, CMAR, MoreWhisky,

flinter

3. flinter
4. DLG
5. Jahudo
6. Bub Bidderskins (2) - Llarmable, Fishythefish
7. Fishythefish
8. Brokenscraps
9. CryMeARiver
10. Nikanor
11. Yosarian2
12. Final Fires
13. Llarmable (6) -

Yosarian2,

bobsnox,

Bub Bidderskins,

Brokenscraps, Final Fires, DLG
14. MoreWhisky (1) -

Jahudo

Or something like that.

THREE FOURTHZ SCUMZ:

Darla
Yosarian
Jahundo
Bub Bidderskins
werewolf

TOTES TOWNZ

Fishy
Brokencrap
DLG
Llmarble

DERPHERPA

CMAR
bobznox

[Llamarble]

Yay, I was expecting Fate to see the truth!
He did indeed mislynch me despite me being confirmed town to him in another game.
Looks like we mostly agree on things other than Darla. So I guess I should go reread her.

And by the way I think Fate is town. Maybe I'm just susceptible to buddying, but his thoughts make all kinds of sense.
Also Nikanor was working his way toward the town list before Fate got here.

@DLG: Fine, having townreads on Whisky and FF isn't that impressive. I guess I got a bit arrogant after success in recent games and I was frustrated over my case being mostly ignored. My pushing of BB's lynch has however always been by pointing out actions of his that I think were scummotivated.

[Empking]

Vote Count 25

1. bobsnox
2. DarlaBlueEyes (1) - Fate
3. werewolf555
4. DLG
5. Jahudo
6. Bub Bidderskins (2) - Fishythefish, llamarble
7. Fishythefish
8. Brokenscraps
9. CryMeARiver
10. Fate
11. Yosarian2
13. llarmable (5) - bobsnox, Yosarian2, Bub Bidderskins, werewolf555, DLG

Not Voting: DarlaBlueEyes, Jahudo, brokenscraps, CryMeARiver

With 12 alive its 7 to lynch

[Fishythefish]

That's some good replacing in.

I'm V/LA this weekend, Friday until Monday. I hope to do some reading get a decent post in tomorrow summarising where I am with the game.

[Llamarble]

Darla still looks like town to me on reread.

[Yosarian2]

Whoops. Looks like Yosarianscum forgot his meta was "Lynch all Vanilla claims on site immediately" or maybe I just forgot that it was his meta and that is was more subtle than "LYNCH DAT VANILLA CLAIM NAO"

Neah, my meta was never that extreme (although I may occasionally have implied that it was in previous games in order to have a bigger impact, heh). You should lynch claimed VT's all else being equal, but it's a fairly minor point, since a "real" vanilla town claiming to pressure is such a common mistake, it's hardly a tell. It does increase the expected return of lynching them a little as well, since you don't really want to let claimed vanillas live, but again that's not a huge deal, and the question of "does the person look town or scum" is still more important.

Nah its the former. Yosarian isn't with the town this time. Oh look at that, he buddies up to a single town player, DLG. If he can read DLG as town he can read Llmarble as town, the only difference is that Yosarian wants to push Marble's mislynch and be on DLG's good side.

The difference is DLG is obvtown here, and marble is flailing scum. DLG is consistently making sense here, while marble seems consistently irrational and opportunistic in his "scumhunting".

I am curious, Fate; can you tell me what it is that makes you think that marble is town here?

[CryMeARiver]

This is a really good game, but I don't want to take away with it as I can't post nearly as much as I want to. Need to keep my priorities in real life straight Sorry

Replace out

Good luck town!

[Empking]

CMAR will be replaced

[Bub Bidderskins]

So fate, is it scummy to vote for llamarble or townie to?

Personally, I think Llamarble's scum. I can't believe he squirmed his way out of a lynch yesterday, let's make him pay today. He seems intent on BSing his way out of saying he supported the whisky lynch. He tried to play whisky to where whisky got lynched but he didn't recieve any suspision. Didn't work out that way, eh?

He keeps on backtracking, re-writing history, and being wishy-washy all to try and make him look better. That's scum.

[bobsnox]

Go figure Llamarble finds Darla town

[brokenscraps]

Llamarble, which of these is a lie: 'My reaction was "huh, obvious fakeclaim, lynchtime."' or 'My vote was on him because he was the only alternative to myself.'?

But Fate is so convincing I don't know what to do, or maybe I'm just ecstatic that I finally got called something other than null (am I that darn unreadable dammit).

Yos seems kind of cautious now that Fate is here.

Bud is going downhill fast. Begins at the end of day 1 but gets worse today. "WHAT?? SUDDENLY YOU DECIDE TO ACTUALLY READ THE THREAD?" vs asking Llamarble questions that he has answered a million times which would easily be solved by reading the thread is a recent example. Not so scummy just poor, except that he wasn't playing this poor in the beginning and some of his stuff is legit horrible like:

I can't believe he squirmed his way out of a lynch yesterday, let's make him pay today.

What kind of reasoning is this? We decided not to lynch a guy, therefore lynch that guy? I'm pretty neither here nor there about Llamarble but bad arguments like this are turning me towards you-scum Llama-town.

Fate: I'm assuming yellow means possible scum and red means probable scum?

[Fate]

So fate, is it scummy to vote for llamarble or townie to?

Personally, I think Llamarble's scum. I can't believe he squirmed his way out of a lynch yesterday, let's make him pay today. He seems intent on BSing his way out of saying he supported the whisky lynch. He tried to play whisky to where whisky got lynched but he didn't recieve any suspision. Didn't work out that way, eh?

He keeps on backtracking, re-writing history, and being wishy-washy all to try and make him look better. That's scum.

You're playing poorly. I don't know if this is because you're scum or inexperienced, because your earlier posts had some towntells in them.

Get out of your tunnel. I guarantee you Marble is town.

NOW, who do you suspect?

[Fate]

Whoops. Looks like Yosarianscum forgot his meta was "Lynch all Vanilla claims on site immediately" or maybe I just forgot that it was his meta and that is was more subtle than "LYNCH DAT VANILLA CLAIM NAO"

Neah, my meta was never that extreme (although I may occasionally have implied that it was in previous games in order to have a bigger impact, heh). You should lynch claimed VT's all else being equal, but it's a fairly minor point, since a "real" vanilla town claiming to pressure is such a common mistake, it's hardly a tell. It does increase the expected return of lynching them a little as well, since you don't really want to let claimed vanillas live, but again that's not a huge deal, and the question of "does the person look town or scum" is still more important.

Nah its the former. Yosarian isn't with the town this time. Oh look at that, he buddies up to a single town player, DLG. If he can read DLG as town he can read Llmarble as town, the only difference is that Yosarian wants to push Marble's mislynch and be on DLG's good side.

The difference is DLG is obvtown here, and marble is flailing scum. DLG is consistently making sense here, while marble seems consistently irrational and opportunistic in his "scumhunting".

I am curious, Fate; can you tell me what it is that makes you think that marble is town here?

Hm, you changed my mind.

Unvote:
Vote: Yosarian

[Fate]

Darla still needs to post, obviously, but I doubt that you guys will lynch Yosarian without my help.

And with the doc dead I'm next as far as I can tell.

Now please, let's lynch Yosarian who has contributed an original thought to this game for some discernible (due to laziness) amount of weeks outside of "Let me twist everything Marble has said into a scum motivation, and get him lynched."

[Empking]

DavidParker replaces CMAR

[Fate]

This is a hilarious trend of replacing players with players of the same caliber.

At least he'll be active.

[DavidParker]

dERphErpA

[DavidParker]

(need til saturday to catch up/post. work all day friday and sleeping now)

[bobsnox]

Hmm a guarantee...

Ok

UNVOTE: Llamarble
VOTE: Darla

[Yosarian2]

Now please, let's lynch Yosarian who has contributed an original thought to this game for some discernible (due to laziness) amount of weeks outside of "Let me twist everything Marble has said into a scum motivation, and get him lynched."

I haven't twisted anything Llama has said. His reaction to pressure was simply to flip out and to attack every single person voting for him in irrational, angry, ALL CAPS posts. None of what he's done looks like real scumhunting at all, and every time it seems like we get close to lynching him, some random guy comes out of nowhere and derails the wagon.

Anyway, I don't care if you think you have a meta on me; seems like every game I'm in that I'm town, someone attacks me absolutly convinced that they know my meta based on some random comment I made somewhere and starts spouting BS to me about what I always do; they're generally wrong, but I guess that's a side effect of me having played so many different games over the years is that everyone thinks they know my playstyle.

What I want, which you still haven't given me, is an actual explanation for why you think Llama is town, for what post or posts of his convinced you.