If I had a chance to log on last night I was going to vote for you as my RVS for old time sake.DGB wrote: farside (hasn't found me scum yet questionable-tell)
God for a moment I read this I read scum. Instead of reading and analysis why the votes are where they are he ask for help. I feel like Cyber and Runner are purposely misreading DGB but maybe that is because (1) I started laughing when I read Dutch's comment (2) I got the sarcasm.Runner wrote:Difficult thing about Large games... lots of people to keep track of...
My timezone is GMT (+0).
And that can be some wifom. I think I've seen it been done before. Mafia act stupid and are consistent in doing so and every now and then put in a conclusion that other people think is okay as he wouldn't be this stupid - too scummy to be scum. Am I interpreting this correctly?
I don't see the cases on Gorrad and Chevre here, can anyone help?
I'm sure we've left the post restriction thing behind us now - as someone said a pointless incident.
DGB looked to me suspicious up until about now. Dutch one has good reason and content in his recent post, to which DGB "laughed off". Then you come up with some meta, which I doubt mafia would do. So for the moment, I'm a bit neutral on you. Also taking into account your lists, which seem to be a bit random.
why concern yourself about someone making a statement that could get them lynched. If they are scum then....??Chevre wrote:That being said, nocase and inHimshallibe, why would you lie about having a post restriction? Certain philosophies would have you lynched under that statement.
curiouskarmadog wrote:OMG, I have been here for years...and that post was the longest I have ever read...firm stances and opinions...and lots of content...town or really ballsy scum...got to be town.
Because you ignore the case on cheve and call her town based on one long post. Most of here post was a waste of repeating what everyone stated and only saying one person was town with no real read on anyone else.curiouskarmadog wrote:why is that?...because I like someone who provides stances?farside22 wrote:curiouskarmadog wrote:OMG, I have been here for years...and that post was the longest I have ever read...firm stances and opinions...and lots of content...town or really ballsy scum...got to be town.
CKD is on my scum list officially.
Answer this:Chevre wrote:I also thought I answered Xalxe's question whenI said he seemed nervous with my vote on him, so I kept it on there.
x wrote:Chevre: is there anywhere better your vote could be right now?
Honestly how many games have you played at MS? How many games have you seen a player do something moronic, crazy or even remotely scummy to start the game and actually be scum?Chevre wrote:farside22,
and I can see how nocase's claim may be interpreted as the "start" of the game, it's basically a null matter now and therefore wasn't an effective start to the game if you consider it to be one. Don't you want to know his motivations as to why he made his first post was a lie? I think that while we know the post restriction is not true, I'd like to see why nocase did it, and how he thought it would affect the game in a positive way. If nocase can't answer that, then he shouldn't have had any motivation to do it if he's Town. Yes, I thought there was a considerable chance that it was a lie, but I wasn't going to completely cement it as one immediately, I think it's somewhat foolish to do so, even if the rules seem to favor otherwise. Also, by marginally mentioning Lynch All Liars, I was trying to reinforce that nocase's opening move was extremely risky if he was town, as some who heavily believe in Lynch All Liars would be ready to maintain a vote on him all throughout the day.
I don't ever recall a game where scum put their neck out on the line at the very first page and face the consequences of getting voted out. Mind you that is the games I have played. Some are with people like Jack, DGB and a few people I can't remember without searching my games.Chevre wrote:farside22, yes, I honestly now do think my vote could be relocated. I just keep forgetting to do so, but I will not forget this time.Unvote. Vote: Jerbs. Anyway, I have no idea how many games I played here, but I can't say I've kept track of how what they did at the beginning of the game relates to their faction. I don't know if that's a common practice or not, but I do not do it. However, I do know that anything that seems out-of-the-ordinary or not seeming to benefit the town is scummy. I've tried to think of how nocase's lie could be helpful, but I cannot. If you can recommend such a way that it could assist the town, then please do share. With your previous statement, you are bordering along the lines of "The scumtells at the start of games are measurably less valuable than those later on in the game." I surely hope that is not what you're intending, nor do I think you are.
iamausername wrote:Whoever posts next, please explain in nine words or more why you are not voting Antihero.
tia
SCUM!!!!!cyber wrote:Still pretty leery of inHim backing up nocase's joke about having a post restriction, I mean it probably was a joke but it came right in that weird transition phase from the RVS to serious posting time. I also predict many headaches from reading Dutch one's posts; it seems like he's going to be a tricky one to get a read on with so much chaff already being thrown up in the phrasing of his posts.
She does this every game why are you questioning it and pointing it out in this game?cyber wrote:I don't think you're scummy for it but, intentional or not, it does kind of create that feeling of "oh gosh I can't challenge DGB what if she ~spontaneously turns on me~" in other people's minds. Not always the healthiest thing.
Please link me to a game that scum started off page one doing something mornic, crazy or off the cuff then because as I stated I have never seen scum do it.korlash wrote: I would say almost everyone actively posting has done something moronic or crazy, and while the possibility exists that only the town are actually playing the game at the moment, I find it more likely that your theory here is wrong.
I haven't played with DGB in at least over 6 months. I would have to look to see when our last game actually was, but she clearly remembers how I am with her and I clearly remember how she was.Cyberbob wrote:farside you're going on a lot about what I "should" know but what you fail to realise that it's been a very long time since I've played a game with any of these people - my other ongoing game that I died in is my first game anywhere on this site (or any other site) in nearly a year. Believe it or not I don't actually have a perfect memory of mafia, and while I do remember that DGB is an eccentric player I've gone and formed a few new opinions on things. Utterly inconceivable, I know. But there it is.
No. But I'm sure putting words in my mouth is the one that I didn't miss when playing mafia.I'm voting you for using an obviously untrue statement to, for lack of a better phrase, poo-poo the person you are voting's reason as to why she did what she did. If it's your opinion, fine. You're welcome to it however wrong it may be. But you can't use it to ignore, or otherwise dismiss another person's logic or reasoning. In addition, you are also granting a completely free pass to anyone who has done anything even remotely anti-town this game so far... well up unto your magical post number in which the "start" of the game ends and the craziness starts to count.
Really? I have been out of mafia for 6 months and prior to that I was out for a few months and you want me to do a search on this when you seem to have it that scum acted moronic page one but haven't stated when you saw when scum did it?ha ha ha ha... the "Prove me wrong or else I'm right" argument. As you're the one that made the false statement you should be the one to link me every single game that ever started with a person or persons acting crazy or moronic and ended up being town. As that is both a waste of time and stupid, I'll pretend I wasn't an eight serious about it.
I think the only time I saw a quick lynch was with Vengeful mafia. Yes that is a completely different case.If "starting out the gates and do something what you call out-of-the-ordinary" is simply to see how people react and go from there then why would scum have any real fear of doing it? I mean players wouldn't regularly do something that has a huge chance of getting them lynched, so if it is commonplace (you were able to link 4 games so I'm hoping we can accept it's at least a common thing for most games) then it can't result in said person being lynched a *huge* majority of the time. Long story short, if town does it so much, why would mafia be afraid to do it? More to the point, if the entire reason to do it is to get other people to react and move the discussion onto their reactions, then the person who does the initial thing wouldn't be worried about what happens to them as the entire point is to move discussion onto someone else.
And returning to the actual game, and the actual topic I wanted to talk about in the first place, your post 180. Can you honestly say that after all this discussion with me that your response to Chevre makes any sense? Nocase does something you suggest is merely to get people to respond, and when someone responds, you question why they are doing it?
I really wish I had two votes right now.CKD wrote:What is the point? The term “moronic” is relative btw, I have been lynched day one as a town for “overreacting”, recently “underreacting”, and for unvoting and not replacing my vote….these were mostly (note a say mostly) scum driven attacks…but they labeled it as “moronic”…or scummy….same with “crazy”…so I can look and find what you are looking for…but what is the point?
Cooking? What I need to be deep fried and put on the grill?DGB wrote:This isn't the worse scumlist I've ever seen, I just really disagree with Jerbs being on it, and farside needs more cooking.
I disagree with sera. I read it twice and I don't see it as a solid post. Where reading SpyreX I can see why Gorrad looks scummy. In short Gorrad has posted fluff and nonsense. He's doing more teaching post and not contributing to scum hunting. By the way Sera didn't have who the quote was from but I understood that all the quotes from Spyrex were about Korlash, I have no clue who Sera is quoting.RC wrote:I like Cyberbob and Seraphim's last two posts. I skimmed over Spyrex's ninja'd post above me. It looks aimless at first glance, which is really uncharacteristic of him. The quotes have no authors attributed. Ugh. Cyberbob, do you not get where I'm coming from or do you think I'm just playing the "confusion/frustration" card as a tactic?
I disagree I see scum motivation in things like that. It shows me fear and I don't know many town that are fearful of putting their vote on someone who is suspicious especially during RVS.kor wrote: I'm not going to try to defend Chevre or claim to know why she did or didn't do anything. But to me "She didn't vote that guy" doesn't sound all that weird, beginning of the game or not.
What about Sera?Cyberbob wrote:what about AntiheroDrippingGoofball wrote:Some excellent choices:
Chevre
Kmd4390
Gorrad
RedCoyote
But you know, we can just lynch KMD, there's no way he's town.
you said
I answered what he thought here:ckd scum not reading wrote: What do you think Korlash is saying in that quoted post?
I'm not scum. Stupid question if you ask me.Chevre wrote:I will answer your question, farside22, as soon as you answer this one: Are you scum? If not, then why are you lying?
Also, why do you think that, Xalxe? It's only been four hours.
I figured it was a tactic hence the I don't want to comment too much yet about it except to ask why KMD. I figure a newb is more likely to fall for the trap then someone who has seen it before.DrippingGoofball wrote:Xalxe's reaction is clean. And he certainly isn't KMD's buddy. He's town.
farside has seen this a million times... has she forgotten? But her reaction isn't from a scum perspective, regardless of KMD's alignment.
I would go with either. I didn't see any really look at Sera and my post and say oh wow far is right.Xalxe wrote:Wait, why the Seraphim switch?
I'm still content with chevre.
I look at it as a "sibling" relationship where DGB and me razz each other but that's my view on it. I don't know if DGB is town but my read of her reminds me of the old folks game we were in together.inHimshallibe wrote:I hate to bring this up, but if in some Far-Far-Away-Ville that one of DGB/farside turns up scum, I'd look at the other. Whole lot of "they should know better" going on.DrippingGoofball wrote:Xalxe's reaction is clean. And he certainly isn't KMD's buddy. He's town.
farside has seen this a million times... has she forgotten? But her reaction isn't from a scum perspective, regardless of KMD's alignment.
Chevre is trying to keep her cool, and doesn't mention the elephant in the room. Mmmm. Chocolate chip is still a favorite. Then, Chevre worries about the timing of the dayvig, but still abstain to comment on its value, its rashness, of KMD's alignment.
I laid off Chevre a while, blinded by the wall, but her reaction is really, really off-the-charts scummy.
Yea I had more on chevre (who I would vote for) but I feel like sera is sneaking by more and needs attention stat.inHim wrote:Andfarside just did what I was chastising Cyberbob for – starting off with suspicion on someone and ultimately voting someone else with little to say to their name. :
DrippingGoofball wrote:Oopps, arithmetic, not myforte.
Someone else needs to vote Chevre to make the above effective.
Why would town find the first part of this question hard to answer? Then see makes it look like Jerbs is doing it to create a easy target but doesn't explain how.Chevre wrote:I would find this question quite difficult to answer, and here it feels like Jerbs is trying to create an easy target by posing a difficult question to a new poster.Jerbs wrote:@Dutch
Are you scum? If not, why are you lying?
post 69Antihero wrote:
Seraphim, on the other hand, is scum. If you don't believe me, read post 69; it's a doozy.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Seraphim
Antihero wrote:Voting without giving a good reason? Sounds like a poofling to me.Seraphim wrote:there has been no pooflinging. Ironically, Chevre seems to be the only person to notice the broad disconnect between my vote and the statement proceeding it. I never gave any reasons for my vote on Chevre folks. The entire point was directed at inHim.
Chevre's text wall made my day, BTW.
Seraphim wrote:....how did I misspell that....
poofling lol
Anyway. Do you honestly want to tell me that that was what you were referring to? I think you were referring to my "reasons" for voting Chevre which weren't there and now you are trying to justify your vote by backtracking and saying the vote was your reason for voting me all along which you and I both know is complete and utter bullshit.
Which almost everyone here has stated so far there was no real firm stances or much as far as opinion went. What Cherve post was, read more of a story then anything else.curiouskarmadog wrote:OMG, I have been here for years...and that post was the longest I have ever read...firm stances and opinions...and lots of content...town or really ballsy scum...got to be town.
Because the people he had opinions on:Ckd wrote: as to opinions of others....are you certian that I havent?...trying to figure out if you are misrepresenting me on purpose or missed my posts.
I'm still looking for an answer on your Jerbs case here.Chevre wrote:Dutch one, why should I not be lynched? Looking back through your posts once more, you have defended me relentlessly, except for a little suspicion of my first large post, which by then everyone had realized it wasn't the greatest thing ever. You followed my Jerbs vote quite easily. Finally, you seem to know that I am town, when my alignment has not been revealed yet.
SpyreX, I was indicating that if I got lynched today, which I thought was very likely.
Xalxe, at the minimum, that's forty sentences of opinions, and I know there are many instances where I used more than two. If you believe it's so easy, you should try it. In the meantime, you could explain your case on me.
Gorrad wrote: Not liking Cyberbob. He seems to be doing the classic tells of following the crowd while actually contributing next to nothing.
Note for those who would call me a hypocrite as I have not contributed myself: I'm not pretending to contribute. This is my first contribution post. Cyberbob is faking it.
Vote: Cyberbob, Gorradscum can hang later.
You also demanded chevre to talk about others to see that she is not following anyone else's views.Gorrad wrote:Oooh, just read all of nocase's posts this page. Following the crowd (and encouraging others to do so), parroting/claiming gut after this, then immediately switching when another early wagon possibility come up. SpyreX: THIS is scummy. Nocase has a motive to act this way as scum. What you are pointing out in me may well be bad play in your opinion (it certainly isn't in mine), but it's lacking in the 'why would I act this way as scum' department.
Unvote, Vote: Nocase
'DrippingGoofball wrote:TP;DR
"too psychedelic; didn't read"
Gor wrote:Admits PR was bulf
Noc wrote: "admits" characterizes it as reluctant or sheepish. it wasn't and i don't know how you could really think it was. i wasn't going to prolong the test indefinitely.
Why was this pointless when a couple of people were still talking about it?gor wrote:Ok, confesses. States even. Semantics. It was pointless bull.
Gor wrote:11. "Everyone jump on the gut wagon"
noc wrote:yup. scummy how?
I don't see how this is scummy and the explanation from Gorrad is not real clear.Gor wrote:Because you're telling everyone to jump on a wagon that, by definition, has NO BASIS in fact. That's what makes it gut. You're relying on feeling rather than scumtells or other evidence.
bahahahahah. God I forgot about that. That was paranoid scum idiocy. Completely different then someone doing something to draw attention. Wouldn't you say?KMD wrote:Farside, you mention that you've never seen scum do anything moronic or crazy Day 1 and get lynched. What about Xtoxm in a game YOU MODDED? For those not familiar with Futurama Mafia, Porochaz joke voted Xtoxm and called him out as SK. Xtoxm, who actually was SK, said that Prozac must have been a Scum Daytime Rolecop, claimed SK, and vowed to act as a town vig. Xtoxm was lynched as SK Day 1.
You need to catch up.KMD wrote: Why not call Spy on this? Also, in the same post, why build up all those points on Cyber, hardly mention Sera, then vote Sera?
Hmm...
werewolf555 wrote:@ckd When you say that anti might be scum as well as me, and then after his attack he would not be, you seem to be forgetting the possibility of a bus. Is this intentional?
You were noticeable absent in that game, but here is there a reason your not posting or noting who you are suspicious of and why?werewolf555 wrote:oh and you mean that game where I was lynched D-1?
(feels sense of dejavu)
You have a case on Gorrad? Since when......looks at iso.........last comment about Gorrad from you was.....too busy with a vote.inHimshallibe wrote:I read nothing that didn't convince me further of what I had believed before, outside of "Oh, hey, KMD is gonna try."
So why is Gorrad scum in your own words exactly?Looking better for Gorrad. This seems pretty town in concept, though we’ll see about the rest of Gorrad’s practices as I continue.==SpyreX’s INCREDIBLY SEXY post on the possible bus of ckd is EXCELLENT.==
That game is over. That is a newbie game where the mod didn't change the title. He does have an ongoing game he was active. The modkilled game he is bitter about was a misreprep........also avoiding a game is not a town tellDrippingGoofball wrote:Yeah but, yeah but, ongoing games and all, it's a good example but I'm not totally convinced.farside22 wrote:Here was a link I was thinking of when I said wolf can do better: newb
I read it, thought about it and based on my read of him and my gut feeling I disagree with it.Gorrad wrote:I haven't seen a lot of commentary on my nocase WoT. Do I need to summarize it again for people who don't like WoTs? I could do a Cliffs Notes version.
Werewolf is the first wagon I've seen get to this point that I wasn't completely against. If my anti-nocase movement fails, I'll give him a more thorough read.
So you get to glide by following people and offering nothing of your own opinion, then blame others when or if they are wrong?werewolf555 wrote:exactly that
We need to analyze how people voted and how or if that makes them scum.
)werewolf555 wrote:Not really,
I was just mad because I was modkilled for it before
Really? I presented no examples of what you have done. All those pretty links I posted must lead to nowhere in your imaginary scum world.Farside is saying things that i've "done" without presenting examples
-Hypocratic Scum?
farside22 wrote:You were noticeable absent in that game, but here is there a reason your not posting or noting who you are suspicious of and why?werewolf555 wrote:oh and you mean that game where I was lynched D-1?
(feels sense of dejavu)
farside22 wrote:So you get to glide by following people and offering nothing of your own opinion, then blame others when or if they are wrong?werewolf555 wrote:exactly that
We need to analyze how people voted and how or if that makes them scum.
Also I want an answer to how you can be bitter about a modkill when your death was a forgone conclusion?
(for those not understanding my meaning, please search wolf's post and you will find the game he was referring to when he made this statement:
)werewolf555 wrote:Not really,
I was just mad because I was modkilled for it before
This isn't his first large game. The other game he was in is currently ongoing and can not be linked.farside- your werewolf example has a confounding variable- the fact it's a Mini. From personal experience, I floundered in my first Large, Picking Simplicity (Hi, SpyreX!). It very well could be the same thing happening here.
iamausername wrote:OK, well if we're going to go ahead and talk about the ongoing game, let's get all the facts on the table. werewolf was modkilled andturned into a neutral survivor, meaning that he has lost that game, however it turns out. Of course he's going to be bitter about that. I think he is well within his rights to be bitter about that.
I don't like the werewolf lynch one bit, and I especially don't like the way certain people are characterising his obvious newb confusion about what exactly constitues a modkillable offence as a malicious attempt to get farside modkilled to further a scum win condition. That's patently ridiculous, and I have a hard time seeing it as a good faith argument.
I refuse to believe you are this (insert derogatory comment here).werewolf555 wrote:Complete misrepresentation to push the lynch forwards....nocase wrote:because a year of experience is so noob.
I have been here for 5 months.
Honestly, this is really scummy.
It seems as if all you are trying to do is push the lynch and you don't care if you have to make up statistics to do it.
VOTE: nocase
Sarcasm R Us: how can I sneeringly debunk you today?nocase wrote:oh, my bad, i was unaware that later reanalysis of a given player's behavior is anathema in a game of mafia.unvote. vote: werewolf555.
*inner voice rant*Xalxe wrote:So, imaginary scenario where I am scum with werewolf:
You all vote him. 8 out of 11 is fairly irretrievable, no? With the way I play, I would express my doubts BUT THEN JUMP ON THE WAGON by saying you convinced me, thus allowing me to shift the blame to you tomorrow.
However, I instead am not voting him.
the wrath of mod wrote:- Too many prods. You guys lose a week of play. Deadline moved forward 1 week.
I would rather see a vig of werewolf. I truely believe he is scum, if not he is not scum the worst town player in the history and the town's chances of winning or slim to none in my view. I looked at that newb game he actually scum hunted in (you know the one I tell you guys about and no one listens) and they never trusted him.DrippingGoofball wrote:Let's lynch Gorrad and vig Seraphim werewolf already.