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I DID NOT WARD YOU BENMAGE YOU IDIOT
I FUCKING STALKED YOU AND FAILED
I WAS BEEFING ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND WHEN YOU CLEARED IT UP SIAD OKAY LETS GO AND FUCKING STALKED YOU
I HATE FUCKING LARGE GAMES GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHH
Oh yeah so kill me if you want but I think you shouldnt BECAUSE I'M A FUCKING INVESTIGATOR
I tried to doi what BENMAGE SAID but still he thinks IM CULT WTF?!
And oh yeah also someone said something AND I CANT REMEMBER
Something about uh
WHAT?!
OH YEAH
CANT WE PUT EVERYONE ARTIFICIALLY AT L-2 and then that person L-1s themselves to check FOR SUICIDLA?!THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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<3 we can always be friends I am still as town as then I have maintained my style of disproving SpyreX and being against Ben, but the way Ben turned out has made me look like a fool
SEACORE I figured when the bastion of light VP BALTARD said I was not worthy of being on there than it was good reason to expect that I'd be safe. I did buck a little when Ben put me on there but assumed folks would think it was mostly BenmageOMGUS and not really stalk me (no one did the night before last)
Shall I claim my actions or what?THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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Actually how about we all agree I'm town or someone res me that'd be cool?
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@Seacore: you could be relegated to item-based activities and try to not get any more insanities if that's what you're worried about. But in my world that'd be from tonight onwards with NO MURDERING OF AURORUSVOX taking place.
@Ben: Trust you like when you said STALK ME PLOXX and so far I'm the only fucker who did it and yet you still want me dead? I feel betrayed!!THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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Xvart. Any reason you took it from "only the following 8 people vote for Kunk" --> "only the following 6 people vote for Kunk"?
What happened to poor old 7?
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TNM: Claim your target. If cult want to res and ritual them then at least YOU'RE picking their NK (on a presumably scummy player). And soaking a res kit. And we might still lynch you anyway tomorrow in that scenario, but its better you out now if you're town. Scum will very likely know who you stalked thanks to noise claims. Only scum motivations are served by not claiming. Especially when asked point-blank.
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You now how to not die today.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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Since you have to get all the way to L-1, I don't think there's another way. We should be able to organise it with just the active players since it needs to be a little under half the players in-game, and I think it'd be useful to start asap to trim scum ranks sooner if we can. But I get that it'll be awfully hard. Probably doing it alphabetically would work, like down from the top. Nominate however many active players and suck it up and away we go...And do it like whoever proposed the plan in that other post. That was awesome. Names and L- numbers.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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TNM:
We've gone over this a thousand times so dont try to say we're not coming up with anything ourselves.
First let me clear this up: If you murder and cult Ritual, it will say they were murdered UNLESS the cult resuscitate them in which case it will say they were ritualised.
Now onto why you need to claim your target: it doesn't matter for Cult whether you out your target or not. They will be able to tell who heard noises that wasn't their doing, and they will cross-reference that with people who claimed to have caused those noises. Even if they do not get a definitive answer, they will still be able to narrow it down and chances are they'll know who you're targetting. So if you don't out it, they'll PROBABLY be able to res the target if they want to, regardless. If it's one of them, they'll know they heard a noise and res themselves anyway.
Hiding your stalk target from TOWN, on the other hand, helps you (as scum) keep your options open and we're not the trusting type.
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Also, Xvart should rob a grave tonight. Just in case he's wifoming us about stalking Ben (I know he COULDN'T stalk Ben since Ben was warded - what I mean is what if he stalked someone else). Just to be on the supercautiousrabbitbabyside.
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ALSO also, just thought, if no one else claims they were murdered last night, that gives Seacore proskills townpoints amirite? So isn't him getting confirmed on me a waste when we can get Iec confirmed on me (or outed) and keep Seacore very-probable clear (assuming there are no other attempted-murder claims)
My thought process goes further thusly: normally the order of claimed stalks doesn't matter due to noise hearing revealing who got stalked, but cult wouldn't know I was stalked though noise last night since they passed me a fetish and I'd have heard a noise anyway. So Seacore fakeclaiming a stalk on me (first) would be VERY risky, esp. considering no one claimed to stalk me before so he could have outed himself like a motherfucker. Put that on top of his attempted murder claim, and bam. Also Iec's reasons sound like he was preparing to back down killing me because "whoops I made a mistake guess I shouldn't have stalked you then <3"THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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^That's a fair point but it only works if he's actually stalked a townie. If he stalks a cultist, they'll have heard an unexplained noise, and then that'll tip them off that they're the target. If he tells us his target and that target does not die, we could have a SpyreX situation again.
The worst thing to happen would be him stubbornly not reveal his target, and mafia to res his target and kill him in the same night. If his target does not die we at least need to know who the target was. If he reveals the target today we don't have to waste res kits ensuring he survives to tomorrow. If he doesn't, and gets killed tonight, and flips town...we'll be gutted we didn't know who got res'd by cult. In fact, thinking of that, if he doesn't reveal his target, we may even have to only allow sanctioned rezzes, in case his kill gets intercepted by a townie res kit. I mean, come on. Which is better? Him NOT revealing would actually require MORE night action directing (double res on TNM, no other rezzes) than if he did reveal it :\THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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Benmage, please respond to this. This is a fresh(tm) argument.AurorusVox wrote:ALSO also, just thought, if no one else claims they were murdered last night, that gives Seacore proskills townpoints amirite? So isn't him getting confirmed on me a waste when we can get Iec confirmed on me (or outed) and keep Seacore very-probable clear (assuming there are no other attempted-murder claims)
My thought process goes further thusly: normally the order of claimed stalks doesn't matter due to noise hearing revealing who got stalked, but cult wouldn't know I was stalked though noise last night since they passed me a fetish and I'd have heard a noise anyway. So Seacore fakeclaiming a stalk on me (first) would be VERY risky, esp. considering no one claimed to stalk me before so he could have outed himself like a motherfucker. Put that on top of his attempted murder claim, and bam. Also Iec's reasons sound like he was preparing to back down killing me because "whoops I made a mistake guess I shouldn't have stalked you then <3"THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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IF YOU ARE TOWN AND YOU GET KILLED AND CULT SUCCESSFULLY SAVE YOUR TARGETtotallynotmafia wrote:IF I WAS CULT, THERE WOULD BE NO WAY I CAN CONFIRM MYSELF BECAUSE I WOULD BE INCAPABLE OF COMMITTING A MURDER, SO IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU KNOW MY TARGET OR NOT.
WE WON'T KNOW WHO IT ISTHE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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Do we have our plans in place?
IEC ----> kills ----> Vox ----> Res -----> Iec/Seacore
VPB ----> kills ----> Andrius ----> Res -----> ???
Ben ----> robs ----> TNM
(I guess since there's only one grave to rob we can't shut xvart down even if we wanted to)
And everyone else do the happy dance?THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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SEE.
I'd have Rez'd VP tonight if I hadn't been getting killedkilled. And then all sorts of kerflooey would have occurred.
Option: No one (town) rez VPB. Hito kills Andy instead since we don't need the dead cleared.
A) VPB survives -----> claims if he was murder targetted -----> if YES, clear TNM*
------------------------------------------------------------> if NO, lynch TNM -----> if TNM flips town, lynch VPB
B) VPB is murdered --> clear TNM
C) VPB is ritual'd ----> lynch TNM
Efficient but upsetting plan, right?THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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I think TNM picked VBP to gambit that people would say "OH NOEZ DON'T GO THROUGH WITH YOUR STALK! WE <3 VPBOBVTOWN"
Regarding Option 2: although I'd love to kill off TNM over VPB, it's probably more useful from a catching scum/clearing town multi-perspective to let him go through with his stalk. The only legit reason to lynch TNM today is if we think he's cult. And if he's cult it'll fail anyway. Plus there's always the chance that TNM is obvscum town, and VPB is obvtown scum.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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The obvscum comment was more for chiasma.
As for 1-v-1
If VPB survives, and claims he was targeted, then there is no tradeoff because TNM is cleared (unless they're both cult gambitting, which would be lulz and explain the delay)
If VPB survives and claims he was not targeted, then of course we have to lynch TNM. If he was not targeted, he is claiming TNM is scum. This is how we catch liars. It's not a trade, because VPB would still be alive. It's only a trade if VPB then lies which signs his own death warrant. Which is scum dictating the terms of the trade and getting themselves lynched. If VPB wants to put himself on a silver plate, go ahead, but don't then complain that I'm trying to engineer it
If VPB is murdered we get a clear. This is a tradeoff, but isn't that WHAT YOU WANTED in the first place TNM?
If VPB is ritualed, well, that's the WIFOMscenario but that's always going to be a problem.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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(a) I think scum could. No idea why they'd want to though, unless it's to protect Iec, but the case was promised before you'd even said you agreed to it. TriloScum = IecScum though. Maaaybe misguided townie, but that would imply the case is weak and it looks strong. Also, I'm only happy to sheep BECAUSE I'm dying tonight, duh.
(b) Easy dust is a great counter, though.
(c) No kill could easily be for gambit-clearing two scum if Seacore/Nico are scumbuddies.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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Seacore killing me is good. I'm still happy with my TNM vote but I wouldn't mind seeing Plum go down today if we're not taking out TNM. There is NO point in asking or hoping for town to rez VPB, because that entirely fucks with programme of confirming and you WILL end up in WIFOMtown. If we sanction town rezzes on VPB, it allows far too much "what if". If you don't lynch TNM today it has to be at the cost of VPB.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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I wish Seacore and Iec hadn't both stalked me. CONTENTIOUS ISSUE.
Hito's Wall-O-Counter seems to have less holes in that Trilo's Wall-O but now I want to see Trilo's Wall-O-Counter-Counter.
SO LONG AS WE CLARIFY WHO IS STALKING BEFORE NIGHT.
If they fluff and say "Oh no I stalked it" when they weren't the guy to do so lynchlynchlynch.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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RE: the TNM lynch, I think TNM was hoping you'd get rez'd, and in fact it looks like he's still even counting on it. Which doesn't make any sense from his "keep it a secret perspective" or from his "confirm myself" perspective.
But hey, if you Rez, rezzes on you fail, right? So if we're letting TNM kill VPB, we should have Hito kill Andy and VPB rez someone. Then the cult can't screw with it and if it's ritual, TNM was bullshitting.
So Seacore kills Vox who rezzes Seacore = confirmed inv. or cult
And Hito kills Andy who rezzes Hito = confirmed inv. or cult
And TNM kills VPB who rezzes TNM = confirmed inv. or cult
We'll either have three confirmed townies or three confirmed cult or a mixture of all three. Why were we even worrying about cultWIFOM?
I think the only real issues are whether (a) we let Seacore or Iec kill me;
and (b) whether we'd prefer 3 confirmed roles with TNM alive instead of VPB (i.e. lynch Plum today), or only 2 confirms but keep VPB alive (i.e. lynch TNM today). Though I hate to say it, killing VPB for 3 confirms either way is probably the better option.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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^Whilst eating a hotdog I realised this plan doesn't work if the cult were ballsy and claimed to stalk a fellow cultbuddy since if we flipped one we'd assume the other was town. I don't think that's too likely but it's worth baring in mind. Although we'd still get at least one dead cult which is better than none.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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Well both you and Hito have given compelling arguments. My opinion was that Iec should kill because of reasons I stated earlier. Then you countered with what looked like a reasonable argument for Seacore to do it. And now Hito has poked holes in your argument.
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I don't understand how you can say rez VPB and if VPB is ritualized kill TNM. If VPB is rezzed, then OF COURSE cult will ritual him. Rezzing VPB is just asking for trouble. The only way to save him is to say triple rez him. And if we say that cult won't even try to kill him, TNM gets screwed, and we waste four night actions. Saying rez VPB is like saying "ah, go on, make all our worst fears come true, cult."
The options have to be: lynch TNM today OR do not rez VPB.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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1a) If TNM is cult, he was probably hoping to use the wifom of "Cult rez'd VPB, that is why he has shown up as ritualed" to explain why he could not murder VPB.
1b) However, if VPB rezzes someone, any rezzes used on him will fail.
2a) Since murder resolves before the ritual, if VPB shows up as ritual'd, it means he was never murdered.
2b) Therefore we know that TNM could not murder, and is cult.
2c) Therefore cult can ONLY kill off VPB by exposing TNM as cult.
3a) Their only hope would be to not kill him and push the scenario of VPB being cult, not rezzing anyone himself, and having his cultbuddy rez him.
3b) Therefore VPB would not die.
Bare in mind though that cult could just make the trade and get rid of VPB at the cost of TNM. This would be a one-for-one trade that catches TNMscum which isn't that bad for town.
Even bare in mind that (3a) could actually be true if everyones' VPB townreads are way off. This is more difficult but is solved by lynching TNM first; and then if he flips town, lynching VPB, so in this scenario it's at worst a one for one trade that catches VPBscum, which isn't that bad for town either.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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This is just it. I really don't want to see you dead, I mean, you were my consistent rez target. But cold, hard, objectivity states that it has to be this way.VP Baltar wrote: Life is so unfair.
Seriously though, if TNM is town and is allowed free reign to kill me tonight I'm going to be a little bitter. I don't think I could actually play anymore obv. town than this.
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I understand what AV is saying now. Thinking (and trying not to be biased).THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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Andy: Hito got swapped in because VPB was possibly getting killed tonight anyway so it was pointless having him cleared. Whoever does it, it'll be nice to get the obv-towns proper confirmed town.
I still think, cold-hearted objectively, it makes more sense to have TNM do his kill and lynch someone else today. But if TNM is cult then lynching him today is far superior. I'm not confident enough in TNMscum to say DEFINITELY SCUM but enough to be happy to have him swing.
Lol remember when Ben was going to kill Fate? What happened to those days?THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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I want to say No Country for Old Men, but it's probably not.Andrius wrote:I remember. It was a long time ago, back when we were young men. Now we are old men filled with regret, waiting to die alone...
/cookie to whoever can tell me where that is from. lol
Yeah. Ah, how things change. I want to leave a legacy of SURGING AWESOME, so I hope my logical plans help somehow.Benmage wrote:
I agreed not to. Then Fate got two townies modkilled and put the town in a whole to start. Then I caught cult, but others thought it better to lynch town. Now I'm grabbing everyone by the hands and dragging them into the light.AurorusVox wrote:Lol remember when Ben was going to kill Fate? What happened to those days?
/goes to lie in a graveTHE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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