Mini 1100 - Hair Trigger Mafia (Over)

[Leo]

yes

bomb richardghp

[Leo]

narsis, no it isn't. you just saw a random bombing and a

very fast

random tackling. (or was the bombing or the tackling not random??)

zang should bomb ant.

[Leo]

or ant should bomb zang. idc.
or one of you should bomb quadz.

[Leo]

But you want a townie to do it for you, right?

[Leo]

scum -> town:

quadz
ant
narsis
jerbs
zang
everyone else
parama
nacho

quadz or ant should bomb the other

[Leo]

Mafia or town might have a way to make an extra kill based on bombs. Like a 1-shot ability to bomb someone without dying. We'll find out if it happens.

We

lose

in 1:1, 2:2, or 3:3 because when one townie tries to bomb a mafia, there are #mafia + #town - 1 in the group deciding whether to tackle, so all the mafia tackle, and the townies can never use their bombs.

[Leo]

I highly recommend that no one tackle before presenting their thought process describing why they are.
For their sake, as well as mine.

I disagree 100%. Actions matter more than words.

[Leo]

that doesnt mean a player shouldn't explain why they are doing what they are doing.

Well if you want, you can explain why you are active lurking and IIoA'ing. But I care more about your act of doing so than about your explanation, so you'll still be my #3.

I don't want people to be intimidated out of tackling just because they don't have a lot to say about it. Tackling means you doubt that either Jerbs or quadz is scum; it's as simple as that.

[Leo]

That is true, and adjusted. So I owe a scene which is happening now...

:disgruntled: at change, but rule 10 is rule 10

i'm not "active lurking" any more then you are.

you're joking, right? Do a self-ISO.

ISO 1: obvtackle, and "So, what should we do?"
ISO 2: "You made a typo, right?"
ISO 3: "How do we find scum?"
ISO 4: "I can't scumhunt without a RVS!!!"
ISO 5: IIoA
ISO 6: IIoA
ISO 7: Snark? Can't tell.
ISO 8: "I have qualms! but am not tackling."
ISO 9: "People should say why they're doing what they do."
ISO 10: Serious talk, but no suspects.

Do you believe Ant is scum or town?

[Leo]

Have I gone invisible? One way to find out.

Bomb: Leo

This guy seems determined I'm scum and provided no information and has dodged my question on the matter.

Tick tock...

What question? Was this supposed to be a question:

I'm personally not liking Leo and

wondering why he has me as scum

, depite this being my 3rd post in the game.

?

Your first post was the worst post before 30 because the "double lynch" is the rational play, and your objection was useless, stanceless, and mildly resembled fearmongering. That's not a huge amount of evidence, but it was enough to put you in my page 2 top 2.
Your second post started with unimportant setup speculation but then you added the comment about me. You seemed to indicate a scum read on me, but in your previous post you had just used your tackle to save my life. Words that contradict your actions are the scummiest words. And it was OMGUS.
So that's why I had a scum read on you at the time you asked that question. Now, tell me why someone suspecting you makes them scum, since that seems to be your reason for attacking me.

Provided no information? In post 50 alone, I stated more reads on players than everyone else combined has. And stating who you think is scummy and who you think is town is the most important information. Most other words are just noise.

[Leo]

Really, Narsis? Did you actually reread your posts and analyze how they come off, like I asked?

My responses and interpretations are in olive:

let's ISO you then why don't we:

1. "RANDOM BOMBING ATTACK!"

-- Yes. It was the best way to start.

2. "That was a random bomb i did btw."

-- "There is information, you're just choosing to ignore it."

3. "Oh right these two people should bomb each other for no reason"

-- "These are my three top scumreads."

4. "You want a townie to bomb him??!?!!!/1!?1?1!?"

-- "If you want me bombed, why aren't you doing it? It looks like you want it to be a town-town bombing."

5. "I made a scum list which instantly makes me super town and totally awesome"

-- "These are my reads." Are you going to try to spin that as a scumtell??!?!!!/1!?1?1!?

6. "Flavour speculation and obvious comments"

-- Setup speculation (in response to various others) and an

important

correction of Nikanor's misstatement in post 68.

7. "Actions are more important then words!"

-- Yes.

8. "I'm so awesomely cool town for saying that actions are important. Oh and people shouldn't be intimidated."

-- Not what I said at all? And I stand by the idea that people should not have felt intimidated out of tackling quadz. Do their flips affect how you feel about this?

9. "I'm going to completely mis-rep you"

-- Vague accusation of a misrep, instead of pointing out anything I got wrong?

[Leo]

@Leo
Tackling is not saving you, its stopping you.

I don't believe a scum will attempt to bomb anyone...

You provided no information about why you had me high on your scum list.

We can agree that I didn't explain why I had a scum read on you at first. So what?

You seem to trying to twist and turn all in your favour.

Huh?

[Leo]

AntB

finally gets up the courage and makes a bombing run at

Leo

He will reach him on Tuesday December 21st, 1:46PM PST

@mod: could you verify the time and date listed here?

[Leo]

Logic, your on the attack. Its not you I'm saving.

In means English this what?

Survival and numbers. Put it back in context.

I understood what you were saying, and I agree with your statement:

I don't believe a scum will attempt to bomb anyone...

as a general principle

, which I think is how you meant it.
But it's self-serving for you to say this right after you attempt to bomb someone (it raises the possibility that you're trying to make yourself look town.)
And I'm apparently your biggest suspect despite being the only other player alive who has made a bombing attempt. Granted, I thought I was more likely than not going to be tackled, but there was some risk. So you're a hypocrite.

If your going to paint someone as scum, give evidence. Simples.

I was using no paint, just stating my opinions. You've been overreacting.

You turned my bomb-yourself joke into me having a scum-read on you. Another point above, you took something out of context.

It seemed like the logical interpretation. I don't care much about emoticons.

[Leo]

You attacked Richard, in tackling you I defended him. Stopping your attack had nothing to do with defending you.
Is Parama protecting me or you in his tackle?

Both of us.
In all three of the above sentences, you don't seem to understand the idea of suicide bombing.

tackle: Antb

I'm still not sure whether you're a VI or a MI, but if you're going to die, you should be paired with someone suspicious.

[Leo]

There are no lynches, and the game is nightless (which means it's one long day.)

[Leo]

Lack of lynches makes it more likely that Ant is gambiting scum?

[Leo]

@Nobody: what do you have in mind?

[Leo]

And what do you want to accomplish?

[Leo]

Assuming Ant is town, the scum have too much to gain to finish tackling him. I think there are at least two scum among:

Not Tackling (5) - Nobody Special, Narsis, RichardGHP, Nikanor, Zang

Currently my best guess is Nobody and Narsis.

Only the above matters. But since people seem to like lots of words, as pointless as they are, I'm going to oblige for one last time:

Nobody hasn't said or done much, just that quadz was borderline scummy, and has asked the mod a couple questions that I thought had obvious answers.

Narsis was active lurking and IIoAing, and when called on it didn't dispute any of my points. Instead counterattacked with some poor interpretations of my posts. That's not good play for either scum or town.
Post 64 was possibly slightly protown given the flips, but didn't contain a tackle, which makes it words without actions.

There isn't much to judge Richard by. If Narsis is town then post 65 is very slightly scummy.

Nikanor has been inactive. No basis for judgment.

Zang's original mistackle may have been intentional, it's impossible to tell. Then the tackle in post 38 came after my bombing had already been canceled, which may have been done only for townpoints, it's impossible to tell.
Questioning the first town-town bombing, and tackling it, is something scum might do, especially if there wasn't enough opposition to actually stop it. But it's also something town would do if they disagreed with it. We have to consider it a slight towntell. The only problem I see is that zang was inconsistent with that when he did not comment on Ant's bombing.

@Untrod: A lack of lynches gives scum less incentive to gambit, not more, for subtle reasons that aren't relevant to finding scum.

[Leo]

In case I'm not on again: Nobody, if you want any combination of deaths other than Ant and me, you need to tackle Ant.
If your point was to switch so that someone other than Ant bombs me, or someone else bombs Ant, that's possible, but only after Ant is tackled.

If so, you need to state whether you think Ant is town, whether you think I'm town, or some other reason.

If Ant is town, UT is town. Scum wouldn't claim to wish to untackle a townie bombing a townie. Right?

The game may be half over and I wonder how many people even know the rules.

[Leo]

I know I'm town and I'm sure Leo is,

Then you must be feeling pretty stupid right now for having bombed me.

About 1 and half hours left I think...

If you're town, why are you saying so little? Personally, I want my reads known so that two hours from now, the town will have a confirmed townie's analysis to go on. If you're town, the rest of the town will be far behind because of your move. You could try to make up for it by being useful.

[Leo]

Nobody Special is posting elsewhere and ignoring this game one hour from a critical deadline.

[Leo]

Ant was complaining that I didn't reply to a particular comment ("question").

Do you think some other player would be a better target for Ant or some other player should be forced to bomb Ant?
Or do you want it to be me?

[Leo]

Ok.
Nikanor, and Zang should be commenting -- approval or disapproval.

[Leo]

@Mod:

What happens if a different player bombs Leo before AntB is completely tackled?

But what was this about?

[Leo]

See you soon, Suds McKenzie.

[Leo]

I think this victory had little to do with scum play and more to do with the town's play, if you catch my drift.

yes