Mini 1085: Higurashi Mafia Game Over!

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/confirm

I only know about 25% of the flavor as I haven't gotten very far in the VN and only got to episode 11 in the animu.

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IIRC the anime is fucking terrible though. And people should go with the VN. (Though Umineko is worse about that, IIRC)

The voices without the lips moving creeps me out ._.

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Well, for some definition of own I do have the first four arcs.

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Vote Rena

She knows who the scum are and REFUSES TO TELL US! Clearly the scum intent behind this action is to PROTECT HER BUDDIES >=[!

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Dammit SpyreX, why you gotta be so awesome and ask Andrew the questions I wanted to ask?


1. What is your experience level? -how many games have you played in?
Over 9000. This may not actually be an exaggeration (though it probably is. But a lot, be rest assured)

2. Do you agree with Lynch All Liars?
As with any "all" thing, I feel that the situation must always be checked with regard to scum intent. However, a *lot* of lies are done with scum intent, so I'm likely to lynch a liar unless the action does NOT benefit scum.

3. Do you agree with Lynch all Lurkers?
Again with the "all" thing. Lurkers are particularly difficult. But I've been burned often enough by NOT lynching lurkers that I think it can be a viable strategy and would probably go with it if it was presented.

4. What would you do as scum at L-1 to try and shift the lynch away from you?
Fakeclaim. Usually something in line with whoever I *actually* targetted if I happen to have a role as scum. That sort of thing. I can usually buy a day with that. And if that doesn't work tell town how stupid they are for a page or two until I'm hammered.

5. When do you find it appropriate to hammer someone?

ALWAYS! They're at L-1 for a reason. (Though admittedly I'll wait for hanging discussion threads to end as well as anticipate a claim)

@LadyLambdaDelta: It's quite helpful for me, actually. Are you worried about saying something you...might not have intended to ^-^?

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@Longing: Why are they terrible? Elaboration, my friend.

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5, not necessarily.

4, you clearly don't understand the question.

3, it actually is pretty fucking rational, especially when people don't do it. Time and time again the active people get mislynched because they are *out there*, and the lurker scum goes by unmolested.

I find it VERY interesting how worried andrew is about being "trapped"

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Kaiser Soze?

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Hi. You did not seriously just flavor spec connecting things to roles, Lady. You did NOT just do that. I refuse to believe that anyone would do anything that silly.

No. Fricken. Flavor Spec. It's a terrible, TERRIBLE fucking idea.

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Generally it'll give more information to the scum than the town, rather helpful information. I don't want to elaborate but will if pressed.

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Well, you don't understand the purpose of the question, rather, TL. And I really feel it would have less effect if I fully explained at this juncture. I would STRONGLY appreciate it if you answered. After all, if you're town, you have nothing to lose by answering it, do you?

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I did NOT notice that.

Zazie, answer it.

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@Carrot: Yeah, no, I assume you mean flavor claiming is somehow good. It isn't. I could explain but I'm not going to. If you can't figure it out then I'm afraid that I must ignore your opinions on flavor claiming. I DO agree that "role fishing" isn't a scum tell, but it's not a pro town thing to do.

Oh, not to mention that, in my experience, most mods give flavor fakeclaims, myself included, so a flavor claim just means you're getting a believable line of bullshit from someone. If flavor claims have broken games you've played in in the past, quite frankly, they were terribly designed games.

@Zazie: Even mocking it is an answer, my friend. I did indeed miss you not responding, and I'm sorry for that oversight. May I ask your point, again?

@City: Don't answer Zazie until Zazie answers you.

@Exilon: No, you're wrong, Zodiark isn't scum (yet). No scum intent coming off him. Misguided maybe, but being wrong != being scummy.

@Carrot: I really hope you don't assume I'm a traditional player. I'm far from it. As far as I'm concerned, "the book" can copulate with itself. There are still logical reasons against flavor claiming. I've named one or two.

Well, anyway, since you asked, I think it's bloody stupid.

And things just got weird when Carrot revealed he was a furry (not that there's anything wrong with that)

@Lambda: I'm taking Carrot's join date into consideration for his misguidance. It's suspicious, but not completely scummy yet.

HOWEVER!

Carrot, link a game where a flavor claim has broken the game that you've participated in.

@Lambda: I also disagree that knowing the "character" of a person is useless in mafia. It's a subtle help, in my opinion.

@Carrot: Answer her questions.

@Carrot: Answer her questions and explain why LambdaDelta is scummy enough to warrant you voting her.

@Lambda: OMGUS is a silly concept and a buzz word.

I expect this to be interesting ^-^.

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I want him to explain first before I come to that conclusion. To be fair, spelling it out could actually be better, at least while OMGUS is still overused and misapplied in most cases. Spelling it out makes you think about what you wanted to say. This is never a bad thing.

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Well, if he refuses to respond to my reasonable requests then I'll have no choice but to respond with adding reasonable pressure to his wagon.

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Well, so far, you've been the only one pressuring him. I've effectively doubled the pressure. Hopefully more players will contribute pressure.

Eventually he'll crack, or he'll die.

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Go and do some research. Firstly, if I was trolling, I would be saying 'LOLCITYOFAS IS A NOOB LOLLOLLOL!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!, HEY ADD ONE A TO HIS NAME AND ITS CITYOFASS HAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!1!1!!', not using his inexperience as one of several reasons to bebunk RQS as a valid opening. Second, as you would know if you were paying attention, I despise RQS. Why would I waste time improving it, when I simply bandwagon the person suggesting it.

Couldn't resist

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It's possible his...misunderstanding of the situation regarding flavor is a result of inexperience.

Though I just noticed his join date was 2007, and I was actually going off of his title of "Goon"

I feel silly now. Still, implies he has less mafia experience then he should.

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Well, that's why I'm asking the questions I am, LL. I prefer to hunt scum, not the easiest person to pin a lynch to.

If that means I'm slower to call for a lynch, so be it. You fall down the stairs.

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I make it fairly obvious I have an older account. And actually, I think join date/post amount here does matter. If you've played off site, you should very well know the style of play here is different. Some things are acceptable in other places that'd never fly here, and vice versa.

What I'm trying to determine if it's one of those or if he's, as LL says, blowing out his ass.

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Well, as I said, I am contributing the threat of my pressure. If his next post isn't an answer I shall make good on that ^-^.

As for his scumminess, I think that I need my requests answered before I can certainly determine his intent. I'm sure you know a lot about certainty, right?

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It's surprising how reassuring that is. I know players that would .

Still, this is going to be boring while we wait .

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Players was plural. Oddly enough, Fate can be reasonable if you force him to. It just takes a lot of effort. But it would not surprise me if he would.

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Well, the trick is making him reasonably explain "his way". When it's not in all caps and done point by point, some things make a lot of sense. So I just force him to put his cases like that if he wants me to cooperate. If he's town he will.

(OK, fine, my experience is limited but this has worked recently)

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Eh, I'm reading the VN now. I prefer it, it gives more information. And I just got to Ooishi. He's amazing ^-^.

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I think I get both of them since I'm pretty sure that's a scene in episode 10 or 11.

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Holy crap Rena is creepy when her eyes go all weird!

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K, carrot is scum guys. I want him lynched within the next two pages.

Unvote, Vote carrot

@Lambda: Oh yeah. Usually people are a *little* less blatant about the whole not answering questions thing though.

@andrew: Already told you, it'd be highly unusual if scum DIDN'T have fakeclaims. I can link you my entire flavored modding history if you want proof. I can also link a fair number of games where scum have had fakeclaims if you want further proof.

@TL: Maybe you haven't asked properly, or maybe I caught him in a good mood. At any rate, I know my first game here was a trainwreck both because I was terrible at mafia and because the style of play here was significantly different.

@Drench: Why the HoS instead of a vote?

@Drench: Shit did you just invoke club rule number two!?

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@TL: But he has 96 posts on here. Either he lurks a lot (which is not implied by this game), or he's had minimal MS experience, play wise.

@Drench: Regardless, I'm curious why you think you'll have success where we haven't. Also, it's always play to win, IIRC.

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If it helps any I like Bern's powers more, even if I prefer Lambda's personality .

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We got one page left, people.

Anyway, Zodiark just went zoom up the scummy list for the reasons SpyreX stated. The whole "OH, if it's an

SK

" thing makes it SO much worse. SO SO much worse.

andrew is also not looking great.

Elaborate on your vote. Now.

Carrot continues to not make a whole lot of sense but still manages to not answer questions. Quite happy to see him dead.

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Yes, but what makes *his* vote more opportunistic then everyone else's?

And what makes him less scummy than carrot?

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Hey! Who supports shooting carrot in the face until he's dead?


Hey, I'm just asking, I never said

I

support such a thing.

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I could probably answer that if it were really necessary. If you want to press it I will.

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I was playing along, but I see no reason to not answer the question if Lambda is serious. I just think more purpose would be served if she confirmed her seriosity before I proceeded.

Is there any way such an answer would further the goals of scum?

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I still can't tell if you are serious. You go in one direction and then the other direction contradicts it.

I'll answer, to be sure. Carrot is fairly obviously scum. If we did, by some chance, have a dayvig to shoot him in the face, it would save us a lynch and allow us to go after Zodiark with that much more efficiency.

On the off chance Carrot is town, we'd still have the majority of the day to assess what needs to be done while losing about half as much tempo as we lose from a mislynch.

Now, presuming you were serious, why do you ask ^-^?

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Also, thanks for reminding me not to get complacent in my reads.

And SpyreX, this is mafia. You'd do well to remember what Lambda reminded me of. We don't know we're friends until we're dead.

Though we can have strong inklings ^-^.

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Why am I still voting Rena, SpyreX? As well as Carrot? I don't think I have two votes ^-^.

Anyway, I figured that was what you were driving at, it's just the way you posted that one way and then when SpyreX pointed it out you changed gears...without changing your post was weird.

Not scummy weird per se, but weird weird. I don't think I have enough data to make anything of it yet though.

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Well, Zodiark was ridiculous. So ridiculous I'm almost in disbelief. First jester speculation and then saying it's fine if carrot were an SK? Why is it not worth the risk to lynch mafia, but is to lynch an SK? That doesn't make sense from a town point of view.

But, to so boldly say something like that doesn't jibe with scum either. It's confusing, really. Hopefully he'll provide some clearer signals.

andrew bugs me as well. His contributions have been sub par.

Out of curiosity, who is this Tumescence? I've never heard of him. This is not a good sign.

As far as I know, the rest of them haven't pinged me either way.

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That does make sense...on the surface.

But turn the chessboard over a little. Carrot was clearly going to the gallows at that point. Why would Zodiark scumbuddy with Carrot scum speak out so vehemently when it was obviously going to draw attention to him? ESPECIALLY with jester speculation?

I think I'd actually be *more* suspicious of Zodiark if, say, he

knew

carrot was town!

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Hmm, well...what if he doesn't know it's a bad idea? How does the intent work out then? It makes him more likely to suggest it as town, I think...but...hmm...

ARGH, fuck it, we can wait til carrot flips. This is hurting my brain!

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Oh, again? Pah, SC is too easy on towns. SCWN 2 was pretty town dominated as well. They even had the luxury of lynching a claimed jester (me)

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Oh great, apparently Lady Lambdadelta is my secret multiple personality alt.

You should read TRADTiMM sometime. Where, ironically enough, I was Miyo Takano fakeclaiming Beatrice

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Spoiler alert: I won as Inquisitor

I proceeded to win a second time, as inquisitor, in Plum's Encore mafia.

It helped that RBT is completely incompetent, but that's beside the point.

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Yep ^-^.

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Tarhalindur, mostly. Weren't there two that game? One was from penning himself into a corner with his own rules...a logic error if you will :p. The other, IIRC, was well deserved by whoever received it. I could be wrong though.

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Why have you not mentioned me in a single post yet, Carrot? Despite being rather strongly in favor of your lynch, and committing many of the sins you accuse other players of?

Also, quicklynches get a lot of information .

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Will a quicklynch give us more information than prolonging this, for this instance?

Yes.

And I like it when scum don't think I'm important. It means they won't NK me .

SpyreX has also covered many of the things wrong with your defense ^-^.

Yanno, you could have avoided this by being town. But, failing that, by answering the questions asked of you rather than going off on tangents that literally make no sense.

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Oh, you tricky cake, I almost fell for it!

You never DID answer my question. I've committed the sins you've called scummy. Why aren't I?

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Alright, here's the thing, your points aren't. They are obfuscated in this wall of meandering, so even if you have a point, it's lost.

If you could restate each of your points with bullets, I'd be more receptive to answering them, if they exist.

One bullet per point, no meandering, no games. What the hell are you trying to say?

As for Zodiark, I'm still trying to figure him out. Your point sounds like my initial reasoning, but you haven't moved past it yet like the rest of us have. While I see your point I still say there's enough incongruity so we need more data.

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But you've also jabbed at Spyrex and LambdaDelta, who are guilty of much the same things I am. But you focus on them without a thought to me. That's odd.

@Carrot cut: Then you're of no use to me. I've read your posts. I have no idea what the hell you are saying. I DO know that you aren't answering Lambda's questions. Nor do you have any reasoning for doing so. Logical reasoning rather. Your latests posts don't even try to defend yourself, merely use numbers to scare us, which is really a rather terrible defense. I'd like to think maybe, just maybe, you just post in a bad way that obfuscates your points, and if you put everything out clearly things will make sense. Your refusal to do so does not assist you.

Also, this should have gone with the last post.

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To be fair, that's rather old meta Lambda . And yeah, I got lucky, but I was still able to utilize it. I personally like my second inquisitor victory better. It was less dramatic but I never even got touched.

And, no, Riceball wasn't robbed of jack shit. He is a detriment to ANY team he is on, and a displeasure to play with. He doesn't play mafia, he plays idiocy.

Quite simply, he should have claimed rolecop the minute he had the read and gotten me lynched before I got momentum.

@CArrotcake: The main things I want you to do is A) Restate your position on flavor
B) Restate your cases on Lambda and SpyreX, and anyone else you have a case on
C) State why we should lynch you from a behavioral perspective.

Is that clear enough? I reserve the right to add to this but I can't think of anything immediately.

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I hope you enjoyed my wall of red after I won TRADTiMM. That was fun.

I ended up using red truth in quite a few games after that because it was so much fun.

To be honest, when I saw you were playing, Lambda, I was half hoping we'd run into a disagreement so we could make this the most colorful mafia game ever .

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True. Well, we'll see what comes in the future.

Also, I am flabbergasted that I DIDN'T have

You are incompetent!

in my victory list. I could have SWORN I did.

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To be fair a solid bullet point takes some time. So I wouldn't be so quick to accuse him of disappearing. Yet.

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That's fine, no objections here.

I'm probably overthinking anyway.

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Is that truly your answer carrot? How is it pro town for you to be willfully misunderstood? Even if the person reading it is "incompetent", is it not pro town to clarify so that you aren't mislynched, as you claim this will be? What do you gain by insulting us and refusing to comply with reasonable requests?

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SpyreX just claimed manager. Obvscum :V.

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...LambdaDelta, why the fuck weren't you in my Umineko Game awhile back? I even had an Erika Furudo role. Who had a post restriction requiring them to end cases with "This level of reasoning is possible for <playername>."

(You probably hadn't signed up for MS by then but still!)

@Spy: the manager is a person alluded to in at least the first arc of Higurashi. Considering that's as far as I've gotten so far...:V.

Well, gotten in the VN, recently.

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Sorry to keep distracting you

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Read on. All will be clear when you read the full set up .

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SpyreX has many points I overlooked.

I was actually gonna unvote and ruminate ^-^.

You should probably full claim, thank you.

@Longing: I was actually going to run scenarios to see if a claimed watcher was worth keeping alive. I'm leaning no at first blush but still worth some though.

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I personally liked the bitchiness mafia . Erika Furudo's PR was awesome. Too bad she NEVER FUCKING POSTED.

/me grumbles.

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Snow_Bunny, right? No, she just lurks.

Wasn't that hard a PR either, and to be honest being Erika didn't make you automatically scum.

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The game would have had to last 6 days for that, IIRC.

With two scum teams that would be impossible.

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Because he heartily misunderstood his situation and the vulnerability of Tarhalindur-Beatrice.

Anyway, I'm headed to bed.

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@Carrot: I think I made it pretty clear that role fishing was anti town and not scummy, and this isn't a case of rolefishing, this is a case of there is literally NO PRO TOWN REASON to not full claim at L-1.

THERE we go ^-^.

Gotta admit, it's a fairly good flavor match...but, lol fakeclaims.

@Zodiark: But I thought you said it would be a good thing if the SK is lynched. Why is this being lumped in with jester? Secondly, I really don't give two shits if carrot is jester. Far as I'm concerned, good fucking job and I am never playing a Haylen game again. Jesters have no place in mafia. Thirdly, if he's town, well, I can reassess the game if that occurs, now can't I?

Why, at this point, are you defending non scum possibilities of carrot's flip?

@andrew: It's not really WIFOM. You like using that word when you don't want to give an answer, don't you?

Oh, hi hammer.

Well, we'll see what happens. Contrary to popular belief, carrot, there do exist people who will lie about their alignment even after being hammered. This isn't all that unwise given some role possibilities.

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Vote Zodiark

He's scum guys.

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By which I mean

He is scum

And I damn well know it.

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I know he's scum. I'd rather not specify precisely why at this time, though admittedly, I don't think I'll get very far without doing so.

On the other hand, we COULD be really awesome and trust me.

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Serious red truth, feel free to lynch me if I'm wrong

But I won't be.

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Also, I will state that I allow for a claim, so don't COMPLETELY quicklynch him. I just highly doubt there's a claim that will make my statement wrong.

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Yeah, I probably said too much. Still, perhaps there's still some wiggle room.

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I'm pretty much with Lambda. Though I'm curious why you ask...it feels odd...

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Are there harmless questions in mafia, Lambda? Just saying it could have...implications.

But, more zodiark lynching/claiming!

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You can have fun...I guess it's a matter of where the questions are directed. And to be honest, if I really wanted to I could make a case for our exchanges in the past few pages being scummy. For obvious reasons I won't, but it's there.

Constant vigilence, etc. etc.

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To be honest, this playerlist has motivated me a lot. You all aren't raging idiots (carrot excepted). I've been able to stay calm because nothing idiotic has happened, and I'd like to keep it that way.

Honestly, you're playing fine Lambda, you and I just seem to have a bad habit of generating more noise than I'd like.

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@TL: Well, I'll look forward to the explanation. I didn't mean to imply I wanted to know your purpose now. I love a good question as much as anyone else. Just questioning the goodness, but I don't *think* anything bad will happen if it's answered :S.

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I'm...not going to respond at the moment. But I would have a counter if pressed.

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Lynch at will guys.

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Also Zodiark, do you think I'd live through being wrong? You aren't that great a trade, when it would have been pretty easy to get you lynched conventionally WITHOUT risking my ass.

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I'm pretty sure Zodiark just got hammered. And he's going to flip scum, since he's lying out his ass.

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The hilarious part is it won't be ^-^.

Rena Voice: You're LYING!

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Well, we should just get you lynched and find out who you are.

If you are REALLY a VT, why don't you just accept your lynch? After all, you'll catch scum UK in the process, and get her lynched the next day. a VT for a scum is a pretty damn good trade. So why are you so interested in surviving?

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Also, you are dead. My vote is on page thirteen. Lambda, TheLonging, SpyreX, Exilon all vote on page fourteen. Drench hammers on page 15.

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OK, so, here's the thing. You're going to want to lynch me today. For everyone who strongly agrees with that, read no further, just vote me.

However, if you are interested in a theory, a theory that resolves questions you have from yesterday, read on.

I am a tracker. I tracked Zodiark to andrew N1. Naturally, I assumed he had killed him. This did not bear out. Incidentally, had Zod claimed vig, I'd have claimed my role/result.

Here's my theory. The mafia have the "Enemy mine" ability. Or at least one of them does, perhaps Miyo Takano if I understand the flavor right. The essentia of it is that you send someone else to do your kill. So that you are basically invincible to trackers and watchers. Since both a tracker and a watcher seem to be in this game, I'm actually not amazingly surprised.

Now, here's the part that's going to be my death warrant. I was roleblocked last night, and got no track result. I tracked tume because he has done absolutely nothing of worth.

Still, that's what I have for you. I'm Shion Sonozaki, Tracker. Your move.

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I would presume so. Unless Haylen REALLY is inclined to fuck with us but...given the flips we've had so far? It's almost certain. And given my prior roles as her, I would think Enemy Mine isn't a stretch for an ability for her. I mean, it's not that different from recruiting, flavorically. But, I don't know for sure. I don't know how everything ends up. I've just started into the second arc of the VN. The only reason I know Miyo Takano is the big bad is lol spoilers.

Now, I'm curious. Do you? You seem more familiar with the flavor.

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What?

That doesn't make sense. You DO realize you're implying that either the mafia or the SK missed a kill N1 (or were blocked), and that BOTH of them missed a kill N2. While it's POSSIBLE, it stretches credulity.

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Fine, no need to press at this time. But be QUITE aware this game is clearly about misdirection with role information. I learned that the hard way yesterday, now didn't I?

Don't close your mind to any possibilities, no matter what your role info says.

I'll be interested to see what everyone else has to say about my claim and your claim.

@LL: Up to you. I admittedly don't LIKE having a lot of information out there. That's why I tried to pull off my tracker thing without claiming tracker. I actually wanted to make it uncertain if I was even an information role, but I think I said too much that day to avoid that.

At some point it will have to come out, but I'm not sure if that time is now. Regardless, you know your role, and I assume you know how much information is safe to risk.

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LL, why are you asking me? It's up to you, I said. If you INSIST, it's up to the town as a whole. Which means MORE OF YOU FUCKERS NEED TO POST >=[!

(I say that with love <3~)

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Hmm. Well, we'll see what happens. I'd like everyone to check in first, but I admit a tume lynch does NOT sound bad right now. But there are a LOT of people I need to review.

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So...instead of voting someone you are more than halfway sure is mafia...you...persist in voting no one?

I...why would you do that, Drench?

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I...misrepresented you how again?

55, or apparently now 58% is MORE THAN 50%.
You are presently voting no one.

There is not a SHRED of misrep in my statement. Regardless, I will look at your prior voting patterns in this game.

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Meh, not enough data to be conclusive. The problem is you have this TERRIBLE habit of lurking until someone is close to lynch. You DID throw out some quick votes early in the game, but your voting patterns became less erratic later. But, the thing is you don't have a lot of posts between votes, which is intriguing. Just time.

I have an eye on you, my dear Drench.

@Drench cut: No, but you see, it's not like your vote alone would lynch me. Hell, it only takes me to L-3. For the second vote on a wagon, 50% is pretty damn plenty. And are we EVER *that* sure about who is mafia? Rather, much more sure than that? Because I find it interesting.

You're inclined to believe I'm lying. Why won't you back it up?

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Also, what the hell makes you think I think I'm obv town? I'm a pretty damn good lynch. In fact, I'm probably the best lynch, from a not-me perspective. I myself am looking elsewhere so that hopefully I'll be of some use before my time is up.

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Well, to be fair? I know I'm town. Why would I word anything otherwise? I assume that my ~*~SHEER FORCE OF PERSONALITY~*~ isn't going to suddenly make you stop thinking and make me your lord and master.

As for how you vote, it's a convenient way to avoid committing to things, which intrinsically helps scum. I'm trying to ferret out whether you just do things that way, or if you're covering your ass if something goes wrong.

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I have so much CHA the shopkeepers pay me to take their stuff :V.

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@Roleblocker claim: Could there not have been a doctor protection? So you automatically assume I was scum?

@the rest of it: I got overconfident and was wrong. But, if he had been a cop or anything like that, he would have claimed it, I would have outted myself as a tracker, and we'd continue on our way. But he wasn't. He claimed VT.

Also, would you like an example of that ability? Because I can CERTAINLY provide that . I've seen it before, or I'd have been completely flummoxed.

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And yes, I'm arguing right now despite prior statements, mostly because CityofAs conjecture is absolute trash. I really dislike being attacked for the wrong reasons.

[UncertainKitten]

@CityofAs: Because it's such a bloody rare ability. It's not exactly something you think of unless the facts fit it. We didn't know Zodiark's alignment and role before his lynch. FURTHER, he was rather scummy to begin with, which means that conjecturing his innocence when I had the closest thing to a guilty on him is just plain counterintuitive.

As for the rest, I'm not going to stoop to certain levels, but if you'd bloody think for two damn seconds your house of cards will fall.

Anyway, example

Why so serious?

Welcome to Mind Screw Mafia 4, PLAYERNAME. You are The Joker (from The Dark Knight), Batman's bane. You're an absolute master at screwing with people's heads and altering their sense of reality... a skill that should be useful beyond words in a realm where that happens anyways...

You are a Mafia Sanity Specialist. You have the following special abilities:

At Will Abilities:
Vote - You may vote other players by posting Vote: PLAYERNAME in the thread.
Grab Item - You may grab a loose item by posting Grab: ITEMNAME in the thread. If two or more players use this action for the same item, only the first works.
Change Avatar: You may change your avatar by posting Avatar Change in the thread. Changing your avatar without posting this will result in [REDACTED - RULE 0].
Change Location - You may change your location (your location can be found under your avatar and is set via Profile) by posting Location Change. Changing your location without posting this will result in [REDACTED - RULE 0].
Change Signature - You may change your signature by posting Signature Change in the thread. Changing your signature without posting this will result in [REDACTED - RULE 0].

Factional Abilities:
Mafioso - You are a member of the Mafia, consisting of PLAYERNAME 1 (Tarhalindur (from Real Life), Mafia Tech Tree User), PLAYERNAME 2 (The Joker (from The Dark Knight), Mafia Sanity Specialist), PLAYERNAME 3 (Alfred Bester (from Babylon 5), Mafia Mind Controller), and PLAYERNAME 4 (Anonymous (from Various), Mafia Memetic Jack of All Trades). The Mafia may talk outside the game at any time using this QuickTopic[/ url], but not by any other means. Each day, the Mafia may send one of their own members to perform the Mafia kill as a Rapid Action (it resolves immediately upon receipt).

Enemy Mine - You have the ability to force others to perform an action on your behalf. This allows you to make the Mafia kill; your kill method is "Given a Glasgow Grin".
Enemy Mine Aftermath - When you perform the Mafia kill, you MUST name two different players. Instead of performing the Mafia kill yourself, you will instead force the first player you name to perform the Mafia kill targeting the second named player. (You do not personally target either of the players you name, but the first player will target the second player with the Mafia kill on your behalf.)

Mafia Falseclaim - At any time, you may send me an ability (or set of abilities) and a role name. If you do, I will make a fake role PM for you using the given name and abilities at the earliest possible opportunity. This is a Rapid Action (it resolves immediately upon receipt). You may use this ability any number of times.

Passive Abilities:
Pretty Sneaky Pete - You begin the game with the Rogue's Tools item.
Protection from Mafia Factional Kill - If you would be killed by the Mafia's factional kill, instead you aren't.

Activated Abilities:
Sanity Shift - Once every 300 posts, you may make a post in the thread containing exactly one of the words used to describe sanity (sane, insane, naive, paranoid, or random), exactly one block of quoted text from a player's post, and the question Why so serious? in red text (this post may contain any number of other words, and may even contain votes, but cannot contain a quote from a second player). That player's sanity will become the sanity named in your post. This is a Rapid Action it resolves immediately upon receipt). Please note that this ability is considered a special action that targets the quoted player.

Starting Items:

Rogue's Tools

You've acquired Rogue's Tools! These special tools, commonly used by the thieves of Faerun and Greyhawk, allow exceptional competence at tasks requiring sleight of hand...

Item Abilities:
Grant Item (At Will) At any time, you may target another player. You will give the Rogue's Tools to that player. This is a Rapid Action (it resolves immediately upon receipt). You may use this ability at will, and using this ability never counts towards limits on the number of activated abilities you can use in a given time period.
Steal Item - Once per game day, you may target a player. If that player possesses an item, you will steal it; if that player has more than one item, you will steal one item at random. This is a Rapid Action (it resolves immediately upon receipt).

Please note that you may only use only one activated ability of your role (with the exception of Sanity Shift, which you may use once every 300 posts) and any number of activated abilities of items you control each day.

Win Condition (Mafia) You win when all other factions have left the game, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm via return PM.

Role post

So, yes. IIRC Haylen was even IN that game.

Finally, claim your flavor, City.

[UncertainKitten]

Actually plausible. But not necessarily clearing you as town.

[UncertainKitten]

Ah, right, that. And actually, I could see a trap as an RB. Traps incapacitate and/or enrage. They can be rather distracting from the task at hand.

But one, One shot? For Satoko? Really? That's...convenient.

Also, LL...in chat? Do you not mean in thread?

You know, at first I was kinda chill with City's claim. After all, I can confirm I was roleblocked, and did in my first post. But...admittedly, there *is* nothing preventing him from being a mafia RB...there are a few tenuous wires, but for the time being, there are a lot of worse places for my vote.

Vote CityofAs

If you'd like I could probably formulate a fuller case through an ISO, since I don't recall City being the archon of pro townity.

[UncertainKitten]

Also of note is his lack of comment on my support for my theory.

[UncertainKitten]

Meh. Just filing it away. It's kinda rare for those to *actually* be scum slips, so I'm not going to suddenly assume you are scum because you misspoke.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, it would have been interesting if you were chatting to City about fakeclaims. Though I'm also aware of the post you made in this thread.

It probably doesn't bear consideration. I just found it interesting.

[UncertainKitten]

To be honest? There are a lot of explanations.

Let's say City were scum. Do you think it would be worth forgoing a kill to secure a tracker lynch? I personally could see taking that opportunity. If we add in an SK, which is by no means certainly here, City's hypothetical scum team STILL wouldn't lost a lot of tempo and virtually guarantee a mislynch that would win them the game.

To be honest, that theory makes a lot of sense...

Admittedly, that makes the SK the spiriter of awayness and the Enemy Mine user. Which again, would work for Takano flavor.

Though then we're missing an N1 kill and an N2 SK kill. It is entirely possible N1 just got doctored. It becomes a lot more confusing otherwise and I'm not sure I want to tangle with those thoughts yet. N2 SK kill...could again be doctor, sure. The problem is, with the andrew kill, I expect the SK is acting like a vig...

Of course, that opens up another possibility. Recognizing that their kill would put us in pure lylo, which is BAD for an SK unless they are damn certain of shooting scum, they perhaps forwent their kill as well, leading to an unexpected situation for City scum's team.

I'm going to admit I have a lot of confirmation bias here for City scum, but I'm not even sure if there are any good alternate theories. Please, help me out here, even if you have to assume me scum to come up with something. I want ideas out here.

[UncertainKitten]

OH! Another possibility! Perhaps ONLY Rena could kill for the SK, and without Rena, the SK actually loses their kill.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, the reason they'd forgo the kill is for the reason you suggested. So City over there could frame me. "I blocked her, there was no kill, SHE IS CLEARLY MAFIA!"

And they had a nice crack to seep through to do it in. My stupid error on D2.

As for the SK, alright, then let's go back to the doctor assumption. That's virtually required at this point.

Also...how can you have a compulsive SK in a game where if a night action isn't sent in, it's lost?

[UncertainKitten]

Additionally? City doesn't even need to be the roleblocker. He'd be expendable, since people have suspected him. So if for some reason I AM able to escape their trap, the only thing they lose is someone who was a likely lynch at some point *anyway*, and their gain if they succeed is...winning the game.

If the SK had successfully killed, that is.

[UncertainKitten]

It could. I haven't done compulsive roles, but I DO randomize night actions not sent in (though I accept no action as a submission).

Alright, fine, I'll even grant you that. We now basically REQUIRE a doctor for any theorizing to work or something is incredibly fucked up. (Which, incidentally, makes it even less likely that City is a town RB, since that's a LOT of power to give town).

[UncertainKitten]

If I'm getting rope, SpyreX, then why aren't you voting me?

It'd only put me at L-2, and it'd make you look a lot more convicted in your determination to lynch me. That said I'll try to get one of those dreaded *lists* out tonight with reads on everyone. I have DnD this afternoon and a bullshit clusterfuck of dishes to do this morning.

[UncertainKitten]

@Longing:

A) I was basically speculating in a questioning sense and it all started to come together. My theory is basically that City's mafia team forwent a kill, knowing there was an SK since they would know they weren't responsible for Andrew's death. Note, this assumes Lady Lambdadelta is telling the truth, but, I have a mostly town read on her so I have no reason to disbelieve her. I also don't know what she gains by putting an SK out there as scum. But, anyway, City's team assumes the SK will kill, which would leave us with 8 alive today. In exchange, City claims his roleblock, the fact there was only an SK kill, and sets up my mislynch due to the tracker business. If they succeed in getting me lynched, they win. If they don't succeed, they only lose City. Which, honestly, isn't that big a loss.

B) It might help to do in notepad or something, just to have. I don't think it's necessary to post in thread yet.

C) I thought it was possible. Getting to lylo too fast is BAD for an SK. Regardless, apparently this is impossible since LL our SK expert has said such, and if I'm going to accept her SK premise, I have to accept her stating that the SK kill was compulsive.

As for the Rena thing, I'm just trying to think of every possibility.

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, let me amend something. The theoretical City mafia could also have believed the spirit kill was the vig, given their andrew choice N1. And that any N2 kill the SK committed would thusly be an obvious vig kill, so that they could get away with framing me.

[UncertainKitten]

Feel free then. There isn't a lot I can do. But bear in mind you WILL be in lylo tomorrow. Be prepared for that.

[UncertainKitten]

Lylo remains lylo for the rest of the game. After City, what do you plan to do?

[UncertainKitten]

There's an SK, sure. Which makes it all the more dangerous to get into lylo. You'll eventually run into a prisoner's dilemma or an outright loss.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, we'll see what happens. And if the town agrees enough to actually lynch me.

[UncertainKitten]

OK, done with DnD, and there's virtually no chance I'm surviving this day.

I am Mion Sonozaki, mafia tracker.

Now why would I claim scum?

Because Lady LambdaDelta is your SK

She's lying about Miyo Takano. To be honest I've had a feeling it was her since yesterday, but her behavior today confirms it. There are other possibilities, but they are unlikely.

Further, I didn't lie about my track results at all. There is someone who uses Enemy Mine. That's why City was pretty fucking wrong.

So, while I may have sounded rehearsed, I still was telling the truth through much of today.

So, what you good townies will do is lynch me after you've done all your talkity shit. Then tomorrow, you are going to lynch Lady LambdaDelta so you don't have to worry about prisoner's dilemma shenanigans.

Also, I applaud you all. The majority of you were willing to do the correct play. Even if I had been town you'd be right to lynch me.

LL, you might as well full claim, since I'm VERY curious about your...information which is quite incorrect.

Unvote, Vote Lady LL

Pointless, but might as well ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Was I? I didn't intend to. All I know is that Miyo Takano is NOT the SK. So therefore LL is lying and should be lynched after you confirm I'm a mafia tracker, by lynching me.

[UncertainKitten]

I would think that is obvious. I'm scum, I'm not going to think for you!

And no, those were just me being me.

I see you LL. Please full claim.

Oh, that's nice.

LL is lying. She has NO REASON to suspect an SK whatsoever. I knew she'd pull off some bullshit like this. I obviously don't have much carry. But mark my words. There is an SK out there, and I'm pretty sure LL is she.

I do, suggest, at the least you ISO LL and see all the SK tells she's been dropping.

All that said, I wasn't planning to live through today anyway. I'm happy with catching you as SK ^-^.

Cut by LL: Uh...yeah, no, you didn't really catch me. I mean, you were right but it wasn't that hard.

[UncertainKitten]

In fact, theorize. What do I have to gain by claiming LL SK, if I'm to be lynched first? Please, think about the numbers for a bit.

[UncertainKitten]

Also, wasn't Erika the killer, LL ? Shouldn't be emulating her so much.

@Exilon: THANK you. To be honest, I think you all have a very good doctor out there. LL claimed compulsive SK, though that could be a red herring.

Seriously, think about this people. Why the fuck would she even conjecture an SK with ONE KILL in two nights? It's completely illogical...for a townie, no matter *what* trap they are trying to set.

@LL: One free lynch, perhaps. If I'm lucky. But lylo isn't exactly guaranteed, now is it? Since we DO have an SK walking about. There's so much that could go wrong, I think it makes more sense that I'm being genuine.

Also, do you *really* think andrew would be killed by the mafia?

[UncertainKitten]

I'll also state this. If I weren't sure I could catch an SK, why would I ever claim mafia? It'd be stupid. I've survived L-1 before. Are you saying I'm stupid, Lambda?

[UncertainKitten]

Also,

we need prods on every damn body that isn't Exilon, UK, LL, Drench, SpyreX, City, or TL.

[UncertainKitten]

TL, for it to be WIFOM, there would have to be equal chance of gain or loss.

It's not WIFOM. It's bloody sense. THINK about things. Most things AREN'T 50/50. With my motivations bared, I HIGHLY suggest you look into things far more closely.

Also, so tempted to self hammer . Might not wanna keep me at L-1 for too long kids ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

But LL, don't you want SpyreX and tume and ZazieR and other cool people to weigh in? Mostly SpyreX, I'm VERY curious to hear what he thinks about the fact you're an SK .

[UncertainKitten]

I find it interesting you want to rush the day, SK LL .

VERY interesting. Are you worried about people having time to think about my allegations against you? I find it amusing you haven't actually answered any of the many problems I've brought up with your supposed "trap".

You could just claim now if you'd like. Town might use you as a vig before tossing you aside.

[UncertainKitten]

Alas, if only it were that simple. I haven't been slandering you. The first evidence will be my flip.

I will flip mafia tracker

Are you going to tell me I did that whole thing yesterday to make up an SK so I could get lynched today, and somehow in this cunning scheme accuse you of being an SK? Because that's beyond incredulous.

So, you can probably mostly believe that I tracked Zodiark to andrew, meaning we have an SK. Now, I'm very curious how YOU would know we'd have an SK. You really shouldn't...unless you are the SK. And I think you put that out there because you didn't think anyone would call you out on it. Now you're panicking because I actually was audacious to claim scum to confirm my result and have at least semi solid proof you are the SK.

But even if no one takes my word for it, I think it becomes blatantly obvious if anyone ISOs you. So I'll leave them to that.

[UncertainKitten]

As for "ensuring my buddies live", I would be better served hammering myself to accomplish that end. The more I say, the more hints you have, regardless of how hard I try. I'm just curious about some things before I shift off this mortal coil.

[UncertainKitten]

Wow. I actually thought you were an intelligent player Lambda. But...you aren't. You...think for two seconds about what you are conjecturing. That's UTTERLY STUPID. It would be a LOT easier to have NOT claimed at all and let D2 go as normal? Who was even going to touch me?

How damned stupid do you think I am, Lambda? Are you really that desperate to not look like an SK? It's pathetic.

[UncertainKitten]

It's your third option. It assumes I was on a suicide mission to somehow get you lynched.

Guess what Lambda? You aren't that important.

[UncertainKitten]

And it's not pathetic to play towards win con, it's pathetic that you'd resort to about the dumbest theories I've had the misfortune of seeing to do so.

[UncertainKitten]

Further, I'm NOT assuming they'll trust me because I claimed scum. I'm assuming they'll trust me on some things because I'm at LEAST a semi competent player, and surprise surprise, the facts ~*~actually fit~*~ a lot of what I'm saying.

How utterly fucking amazing, but I suppose you didn't want to think about something inconvenient like that, did you?

[UncertainKitten]

...all that said, saying YOU weren't intelligent was out of line. Even if your POST was dumb, that doesn't mean that YOU are suddenly open season. I apologize for that attack.

[UncertainKitten]

I'll give you at least this. I was indeed roleblocked by someone last night, and was unable to track anyone. You can extrapolate what you want from that.

I am either not aware or not telling you what happened to the N1 mafia kill or the N2 SK kill.

[UncertainKitten]

I have issues with controlling my anger. I've been trying to master them but it's sometimes difficult. I also am trying to avoid telling someone "they" are stupid when I mean that I think their post was stupid. Now, if you think that I'm going too far by calling your post stupid, then I'm afraid we won't get anywhere.

I enjoyed talking to you as well, and I'd prefer not to lose that. But, if you're withdrawing, there's not a whole lot I can do about that. I've apologized. While it doesn't erase what I said, there isn't a whole lot else I can do except try harder in the future.

[UncertainKitten]

Certainly. After all, I need you lynched tomorrow so that I don't have an SK bunging up the works . No fun to nearly win and then have an SK walk in and ruin *everything* ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Wellp, at the very least, when I flip, you can be reasonably certain there is an SK, regardless of who it is. You can also be certain it behooves you to either lynch the SK or mafia tomorrow, probably SK being better since SKs in lylo are bad news for all involved.

[UncertainKitten]

What'd you say again? Not that I have any reason to discuss anything I don't feel like discussing ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, gotta admit, it's nice just being able to say no and not give a damn about how town you look . It's a shame I got unlucky on that track or I'd likely have had an easier time of it.

[UncertainKitten]

Spyyyyyyyyyy-kuuuuuuuuuuun! I see you posting elsewhere!!!

[UncertainKitten]

No one's hammered!!!

I could hammer myself, but I'm having fun talking! Don't you have any more questions and things? Or thoughts? Or feelings?

[UncertainKitten]

Well, it's not really. I *do* suggest you ISO LL and draw some conclusions about her third partyness, Spy.

And <3 you too Spy.

[UncertainKitten]

Because I am a kind person, I will state that LL is not CERTAINLY the SK, just it is incredibly likely she is. Above all, you should draw your own conclusions. But you knew that, didn't you ^-^?

[UncertainKitten]

I'm virtually certain it's LL between her behavior and my track result. I suppose I should try to make a full SK case on her, shouldn't I?

[UncertainKitten]

I'm around but no one's playing with me

/me sulks.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I could hypothetically post an SK case on you, but I'm really not up to it.
So I dunno. Ninjas?

[UncertainKitten]

Meh, well of course the SK would authorize a self hammer ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, but it's not as fun when the person you're calling scum is *actually claimed scum*.

More fun to assert it repeatedly til people believe you cause you said it so much.

And, yeah, I wish you hadn't been the SK, we really could have tore things up .

[UncertainKitten]

Really? Damn, 'cuz I'm to-...

Oh. Wait .

[UncertainKitten]

ALSO YOU DIDN'T SAY IT IN REDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[UncertainKitten]

That sounds like you're claiming SK

Admittedly, I really wish I had had Knox's back in TRADTiMM. Would have made things SO much more awesome.

[UncertainKitten]

Isn't that conspicuously missing from Umineko's Knox commandments ?

[UncertainKitten]

SpyreX is a p. cool guy.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, that'd be pretty hard on account of I haven't lied since claiming scum . I may have been more assertive than necessary with my interpretation of what I know, but the basic facts are indeed that .

Oh, that. Well, I've made it pretty plain that I merely think it's the most likely situation, but not ABSOLUTELY true. Least I've disclaimed it once or twice, in between asserting it as if it's undeniable .

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I'm scum, what do you expect me to do ?

[UncertainKitten]

I liked the other one more, but your new one isn't bad. I should consider getting another Avi myself at some point.

[UncertainKitten]

Animooted gifs tend to be big.

[UncertainKitten]

I like it a lot. Are you planning to use it or are you suggesting I steal it?

[UncertainKitten]

Yes, this is quite good .

[UncertainKitten]

Yesh. Well, Kamina glasses make ANYTHING work. It's like the image form of Guile's Theme.

[UncertainKitten]

Ah, damn. Unlucky. I was hoping I could get a few more days ^-^. Maybe two or so. ZazieR was p. close to being modkilled.

[UncertainKitten]

No, no, you hammered me tume, you have to take responsibility ^-^. You don't get to answer questions now.

[UncertainKitten]

We forgot to kill you N1 ^-^;.

I'm REASONABLY sure we were going to kill you, but I forget. But no one sent it in sooooooo~

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: OH! We were going to kill SPYREX, and then I tried to kill you N2, and was blocked. Hilarity.

[UncertainKitten]

Also, if Drench and TL approve, I'll link the mafia QT. It was at the end of D2 I was all like "Yo, I think LL is an SK guys"

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, Drench WAS unkillable. That should have been my first hint there was an SK, actually. I thought you sent TL to kill Drench though.

[UncertainKitten]

I was more raging at the people who didn't *think* than you. There were a lot of weaknesses in your arguments, but NO ONE EXPLOITED THEM!

DRENCH I AM DISAPPOINT!

Anyway, I'll have to use this game as a good example of "THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T FLAVOR SPEC, DUMBASSES!"

[UncertainKitten]

That's cause I know damn well you can't trust it. Not with mods like me. Haylen is a mod like me . If only I'd been town this game .

[UncertainKitten]

Better than a lot of people ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, when you put it like

that

, SpyreX~

[UncertainKitten]

Yay! Now we must work together to break the game in two!

[UncertainKitten]

Since apparently TL isn't around to care

Boo

[UncertainKitten]

Well, again, I told you, you play like me. And I know when I'm an SK :V. Well, you play like me without the rage, which is a good thing.

[UncertainKitten]

To be fair, I didn't have many options besides claiming scum. When it became obvious I wasn't going to survive that day there was no point in holding out. Perhaps you have a different course of action to suggest~?

[UncertainKitten]

I would hope I would get the reference :V. For a minute I thought you were talking to me and was thusly puzzled.

SO, I finished Episode 7 of seacatz. It's ~*~amazing~*~