Mini 1085: Higurashi Mafia Game Over!

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/confirm

First . . . to die! o.o

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I've never read Fate/stay Night. I don't really plan to. =|

No idea what it's about, though.

ALSO 11 CONFIRMS CAN WE GO NOW

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Vote: Lady λδ*

DON'T BE GOIN HELPIN TAKANO AND COME BACK EXPECTIN SYMPATHY YA LITTLE

*haha bilingual bonus

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I'll get us going with some questions:

1. What is your experience level? -how many games have you played in?
2. Do you agree with Lynch All Liars?
3. Do you agree with Lynch all Lurkers?
4. What would you do as scum at L-1 to try and shift the lynch away from you?
5. When do you find it appropriate to hammer someone?

1. I've lost count, but it's somewhere in the 10-15th range.
2. No. Lying as town can be useful. Unwarranted lying should be granted scrutiny though.
3. I'd take it case-by-case, but as a general rule, no, unless there are no better options that are likely to arise. Lynching lurkers is usually wasteful.
4. Use my septuple vote to destroy a lucky player chosen by random.org, obviously.
5. When there's a general consensus, or I just think they're obvscum.

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5. When do you find it appropriate to hammer someone?

5. When there's a general consensus

this strikes me as odd, you would hammer someone just because other people think they are scum?

It saddens me I can't find a way to reply to this sarcastically, so:

No, I wouldn't. If I think they're town, I won't hammer, but if I and a general number of others are firm in their beliefs of the reverse, then I would. Does that clarify?

Also, I didn't answer Question 4 either, mostly because it's stupid. Because OMG RANDOM QUESTIONS = DISCUSSION!!, I'll continue to not answer it. Because OMG RANDOM NONANSWERING OF QUESTIONS = DISCUSSION!!. Not a fan of the questions, did you notice? Not a fan of your possible motives behind them, either.

FoS: CityofAs

Vote stays on LL for the flava spec.

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2.) Drench. Here's a better question: There isn't a consensus. If you find yourself amongst a meek town, will you stand up and take command? Have you ever started and drove a bandwagon to it's bloody end? Have you ever stuck your neck out for instinct? Are you sheep, who can't do anything for yourself and stays with safe choices all the time?

I have absolutely no experience on MS with a meek town, so my answers come from my F2F games, but if there's no consensus, then yes, I'm prone to ride the wagon long and hard. I have driven a bandwagon to the end a couple times, and been lynched for it more times. As I mentioned, if there's a consensus OR if there's no doubt that they're scummy scum who scum up the place with their scum, I'll hammer like

Mario

Mion

Shion. Um, yeah.

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Oh, your not trying to lynch me, and are just going for the pressure?
So indescisive, when no pressure came upon you.
Why say this so early? You need a bit more backbone. Go for my head.
Formulate a full case against me.
Or is this scum, distancing himself, because you know i'm town?

You don't have to spam all caps to be a troll. You are the quite common troll that thinks he's a shining beacon of the community, but in your arrogance and paranoia, you've attacked a man's character for being thoughtful.

Going after the ridiculous attack, that's ironically more distracting than whining about a distracting question set. Is obvious, and requires little justification on why I did it. It's to help town. Laz is harming town, and blowing smoke to look like he's helping it.

Forget appealing to authority, or my join date, or other metagames that you feel you have an advantage on. You are scaring discussion away while feeling justified on a few extra things based on "experience". Your authority, if you had any, is meaningless. Discuss each point as they exist in the game.

Do some research? To find out you dislike RVS, and that your tastes are even worth researching? Hahaha. How self centered can you possibly be, troll? Go and make more friends.

I want at least half the town involved in the roleclaim fiasco before I proceed with that. I've answered everything on my other posts by the way. Go re-read.

Stop.

Oh, your not trying to lynch me, and are just going for the pressure?
So indescisive, when no pressure came upon you.
Why say this so early? You need a bit more backbone. Go for my head.
Formulate a full case against me.
Or is this scum, distancing himself, because you know i'm town?

Forgive me if I missed it, but, see, something tells me that LL thinks you're scummy. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but in my view, if they're scummy, you vote. And you're suggesting that vote's not to lynch but to provide pressure? Granted, it has merit, but so does the idea that

they're voting you because you're a scummy scum

.

And, um, yeah, learn to be more coherent.

You don't have to spam all caps to be a troll. You are the quite common troll that thinks he's a shining beacon of the community, but in your arrogance and paranoia, you've attacked a man's character for being thoughtful.

OMG I'M RIGHT AND THOUGHTFUL STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

Do some research? To find out you dislike RVS, and that your tastes are even worth researching? Hahaha. How self centered can you possibly be, troll? Go and make more friends.

I want at least half the town involved in the roleclaim fiasco before I proceed with that. I've answered everything on my other posts by the way. Go re-read.

If you've answered them, surely it wouldn't be too hard to go dig up your answers and repost them? That way, we could clear everything up!

Oh. Wait. That would require you to have answered them. Hm, that'll be a problem.

HoS: Carrot

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Not to mention your pressure is meaningless. As it's baseless and lies on the fact that you are misinterpreting my posts.

This reads to me as if you're saying "No matter what you do, I'll never budge! NEVER!". That, to me, is anti-town. Now, if you're scum, I can understand that position. If you're town, it's completely stupid to refuse to budge because people are having trouble reading what you said, ESPECIALLY when you can just dig it up again and post it for everyone's pleasure. Either way, it's bad. Bad, bad, bad.

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I never asked a flavor claim. It was all you going: "Guys he asked for a flavor claim!". Re-read the initial post, like I've been telling you for so long.

"What does everyone think of a flavour claim?"

That's what you said, right? So, two routes:

1. You haven't answered your own question, and should, now.
2. You have answered your question, and continue with the point, meaning you want one.

I don't see other options. Please, point them out if you can! By the way, IIRC, #2 is in play!

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@Drench: Why the HoS instead of a vote?

@Drench: Shit did you just invoke club rule number two!?

1. I'd like to see how carrot responds before I act further. No use asking them to post their answers alone AND voting them: the former should come before the latter.

2. I can't remember that one. ;________________;

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I WANT TO BELIEVE

etc

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To be honest, Beato's power is my favourite.

Even though she doesn't exist.

Actually, I think that's

why

it's my favourite. =|

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MY HEAD IT HURTS WHAT THE DEVILRY IS THIS

i give up, carrot still hasn't gone back and answered the questions as far as i can see

obligatory wtfzodiark, i'll actually go back and read in a bit, but for now

UNVOTE
VOTE: CARROT

SCUM

CAKE

also coloured truths everywhere ooooo

That appears to be L-1.

p-edit: i think i've lost count of how many times i've read that game, UK
the 'leaked ep6 screenies' had me in laughter

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I don't feel like full claiming. Why don't you people just kill me right now?

If I could reach into the computer and slap you, I would. Someone, please, FINISH THEM.

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Vote: zod

Question: Who here regrets the carrotcake lynch?

I don't like losing the role. Carrot's lynch itself, however, was ONE HUNDRED PERCENT QUALITY CERTIFIED GOLD AND I WILL NOT REGRET IT

Well, for chrit's sake, I wasn't able to post! Everytime I started reading the threade I stiopped before I could complete the pages left and then suddeny it's no more Day 1! I hate you all - well, not really, but mostly, I'm sill very suspicious of zodiark.
You guys robbed me of Day 1. Also good that Andrew is gone, he was my 2nd suspect.

Vote: Zodiark

Elaborate, could you? I never did go back on that post I marked of yours, but looking at this now, it seems awfully willing to slip in the mould.

i hope that metaphor was as pleasing for you guys as it was for me

Seriously, is there even a case on me or are you just gunna lynch me at the behest of someone who "know

he's scum" but would "rather not specify precisely why at this time". For all we know, she could be scum gunning for a town lynch. I haven't even seen a case, let alone any reasons for the votes on me.

Please don't obstruct. We went through this day one, for fucks sake. But, whatever, I'll oblige, since I think there's a case for your lynch anyway. The jester speculation (and SK speculation, for that matter) springs to mind immediately. All day one it looked like you were blatantly trying to protect Carrot, only flipping against Carrot (a regular Lion Carrot is) when a lynch was, quite frankly, inevitable.

Considering that's all from memory, a memory I haven't updated since three days ago, I think there's a very compelling case for you being scum, relative to everyone. Happy?

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Also, not even going to consider placing a vote on Zod before that claim OR if he refuses the claim. I think I was explicit, and if Zod's not as forthcoming, I don't see any reason to prolong the filibuster.

Just putting that out there.

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Rena? VT?

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.

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VOTE: Zodiark13 NO REGRETS

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By the way, just read the 50% EP7 patch.

GODDAMMIT WHY DID IT HAVE TO STOP AT

SHANNON AND BEATRICE'S SPLITTING INTO TWO PERSONALITIES?

I WANT MOAR DAMMIT

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BTW DRENCH YOU ASKED ME TO ELABORATE AND YET YOU HAMMER SHAMELESSLY? Good to know you're interested in what I have to say <.<
EXPECT TO GET VOTED TOMORROW.

WHY, IS ANSWERING THE DAY AFTER IF NEED BE NOT AN OPTION FOR YOU

ALSO WHY DIDN'T YOU ANSWER JUST THEN SCUMMY MUCH

(SEE I CAN DO CAPS TOO)

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WHY, IS ANSWERING THE DAY AFTER IF NEED BE NOT AN OPTION FOR YOU

Not if I'm dead. --'

What do you mean by "not answering just then?"

WELL IF YOU'RE DEAD THEN I DON'T THINK AN ANSWER TO DERIVE YOUR ALIGNMENT WOULD BE NECESSARY

also, to be clear, please elaborate on why andrew was your '2nd suspect'

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[snip]

I for one am having a hard time swallowing it, so

FoS

, but sure, let's see where this goes.

I guarentee that Miyo Takano is not alligned with the mafia.

I have role-related info that confirms Miyo Takano as a serial killer.

KINZO IS NOT IN THIS GAME YOUNG LADY also, what.

What?

That doesn't make sense. You DO realize you're implying that either the mafia or the SK missed a kill N1 (or were blocked), and that BOTH of them missed a kill N2. While it's POSSIBLE, it stretches credulity.

I'll point out that you were, as you say, blocked last night. Just saying, if we go with the you!bad theory, it lines up somewhat.

Screw it. I'm posting my role name.

I am Frederica Bernstakel.

FJKLDABFOIEhdfbajfrdsnoaiesiufjaskbfiBIJKAJNGLobgnnbNBOLGIENDBTUGJWSNAUIDFBNPIBpeinbfigueairjngoNGiBng. And yet, it kinda makes sense. I don't like you claiming like this, but it's done, soo. Berunkasuteru (=3) saved Miyo from the orphanage in the dying moments of Kai, if I remember correctly, so it *could* work.

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implying red truth can be trusted
also, i agree with tume, but let's wait, say, 48 hours for him to check in (if he does) before starting a lynch on him. i wouldn't like to lynch him if there are better candidates, though. also need to check if others haven't posted much

OK couple questions

A: Spirited away and the dead list: What is the difference?
B: Why Tum Ex?

My theory for the lists is that it follows the 'curse'; one dead, one disappeared each cycle. Personally, I just think it's a pair of lists separated by time of death (day/night).

Vote: UK

Leaving it here, in case of Sonozaki mafia. For now.

Or you could vote when/if you were more certain? I don't know, just a thought.

For my own thoughts, I'm inclined to believe UK's lying, to be honest. Sonozaki Mafia or otherwise, I don't know, but I am about 55% confident she's part of a mafia group of some sort. Not nearly sure enough to vote, though.

To reiterate:

FoS: UK

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So...instead of voting someone you are more than halfway sure is mafia...you...persist in voting no one?

I...why would you do that, Drench?

Because I don't like throwing votes around. Don't misrepresent me: 45% uncertainty is quite a lot, wouldn't you say?

Sorry, make that 42%.

(vague percentages are fun)

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OH NO I'M HALF CERTAIN THAT SOMEONE IS MAFIA

YOU KNOW I THINK I SHALL VOTE THEM BECAUSE THE GLASS HALF FULL IS AS GOOD AS THE GLASS OVERFLOWING RIGHT???

ESPECIALLY IF THE GLASS IS A BIG GLwhat the fuck

you are not obv-town, despite what you may think.

stop misrepresenting 50% as 100%. i would have absolutely no problems in lynching you, right now, if you didn't have this theory. i'm willing to see how it plays out, but rest assured, if things don't line up, my vote WILL visit you

does that satisfy you, or shall i do a little dance?

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You're inclined to believe I'm lying. Why won't you back it up?

There is a theory that accounts for all facts currently present. This theory points to you being scum. I will not reveal this theory until a later date. You of all people should realize why, considering your performance yesterday. However, it is by no means the only theory.

And I'm usually much more sure about who's scum when I vote. I don't know about you, but it seems to me that you're applying how you decide to vote on my decisions. I don't know about you, but that sounds wrong.

P-Edit: It's the way you're writing things. Don't take offense,

dearie

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P-P-Edit: OMG HAYLEN DISAPPOINTED.

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Well, to be fair? I know I'm town. Why would I word anything otherwise? I assume that my ~*~SHEER FORCE OF PERSONALITY~*~ isn't going to suddenly make you stop thinking and make me your lord and master.

As for how you vote, it's a convenient way to avoid committing to things, which intrinsically helps scum. I'm trying to ferret out whether you just do things that way, or if you're covering your ass if something goes wrong.

Fair enough.

also, hee hee, ~*~SHEER FORCE OF PERSONALITY~*~

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I have so much CHA the shopkeepers pay me to take their stuff :V.

Have you tried not being so cute?

=|

the vortex opens

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My computer is dead, and I have no idea if I'm going to be able to fix it or when it's going to happen. Until then, I'm kinda fucked for activity. Sorry, but V/LA until further notice.

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LOLJKS JUST FIXED IT LIKE A GOD

give me time to undue my V/LAs all over the place and reread and stop my heart hurting like hell and yeah

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Okay, I'm going to leave the events of yesterday alone, since I need to think more about everything raised. I know it doesn't mean much now with the flip, but I was very much in favour of that lynch. Moving on to today, pulling from yesterday only when required:

The way I see it, there are two options for which way today's going: Tume v. LL. Let it be known that I do not see a case for any of the other players bar one, and that one is currently being replaced because of the case in question, so really, that's a null-tell. I wouldn't like to pursue that case either (and in the interests of getting everything out there, I'm going to state that it's a Lynch All Lurkers thing, which I'm not in favour of anyway). So, Tume or LL. Let's start with the latter.

The case on LL, I think, will be misinterpreted by people as misdirection by UK. I think it's important to note that when UK stated her case, she had already outed herself as a Mafia Tracker, and for all intents and purposes, was in her knowledge telling only truths. So, I don't think we can claim it as misdirection and move on. I think we need to actually take a hard look at it. I'm ISO-ing LL now, and will list what I get.

- Votes Carrot for doing what she did, without allowing Carrot to realize how bad a mistake it was. Granted, Carrot was an idiot, and Carrot never realized, so the vote was vindicated later, but it wasn't vindicated then. Although, she does say why later, so I guess it works a bit there, but eh.
- Day 3, she poses a question as flavor!spec. That strikes me as blatantly contradictory.
- I suck at drawing points from ISO, it's just hit me.
- More flavor!spec RE: Takano. :headdesk:

I cba the rest for now. So, there's that, and the fact that LL's been on every successful wagon to date. Whether there is or isn't an SK is still debatable (TL's kill, if I read correctly, was because he failed to fulfill a wincon), but if there is an SK, I would be willing to bet money to say it was LL. Onto Tume:

Okay, so he says nothing at all, really...and then he hammers...okaay, being a bit Carrot with it. Look, I can't see much other than lynch all lurkers, and to be honest I think LL's a better lynch, but day is for information too, and it would be nice to have questions answered from him. Given this, I would be comfortable to add to the pressure and

Vote: Tume

putting him at L-2. No lynch yet, though. Also, a nice, flourishy

FoS

for LL.

Also, if you use that Hanyuu macro, I

will

rise to the challenge. Prepare to be out-macro'd.

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Fair enough...

But IGMEOY Drench. I am worried about how you defended UK's actions. It's the same thing TL did, and it's why I found him to be obv scum.

But as of now, you're still my top town read (mainly based on the fact no one else posts xD), so I'll let it slide.

Just don't reference UK's posts when making cases on me. She, by self admission, said that she was conceling things because "that's what scum does". Co-incidentally, scum lies too... It's a null point to use her arguments, so I'd like to avoid them.

On the other hand, the Carrot vote was pre-emptive, but would have been removes had he answered my questions.

Note: when you say "I've been on every wagon so far" you're forgetting something. Day 2 wagon was a quick lynch led by UK, and day 3 wagon was UK claiming scum.

Only vote that has any evidence on it is Carrots. If you seriously think I'm SK, I suggest you draw info from there. It's the only legitimate source.

Fair enough. I'll leave it as is for now: as stated, I want Tume to be responding before I do anything further.

Speaking of which, where is he? Where is everyone? HURRY UP YA FKS

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just in case people miss it

DO NOT HAMMER TUME YET DAMMIT

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also, while we wait for people to stop being lazy fucks

enjoy! (warning: slight umineko chiru spoilerz) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBR932Q5dwE

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i'll be more coherent later, but i just woke up to inception's Time blaring through the speakers so i'm a bit disoriented with awesome

OK, done with DnD, and there's virtually no chance I'm surviving this day.

I am Mion Sonozaki, mafia tracker.

Now why would I claim scum?

Because Lady LambdaDelta is your SK

She's lying about Miyo Takano. To be honest I've had a feeling it was her since yesterday, but her behavior today confirms it. There are other possibilities, but they are unlikely.

Further, I didn't lie about my track results at all. There is someone who uses Enemy Mine. That's why City was pretty fucking wrong.

So, while I may have sounded rehearsed, I still was telling the truth through much of today.

So, what you good townies will do is lynch me after you've done all your talkity shit. Then tomorrow, you are going to lynch Lady LambdaDelta so you don't have to worry about prisoner's dilemma shenanigans.

Also, I applaud you all. The majority of you were willing to do the correct play. Even if I had been town you'd be right to lynch me.

LL, you might as well full claim, since I'm VERY curious about your...information which is quite incorrect.

Unvote, Vote Lady LL

Pointless, but might as well ^-^.

Remember this?

This is PROOF that neither HANYUU OR RIKA can be scum!

Why?

Because UK claimed that Miyo Takano was a mafia member.

She claimed mafia, and

FLIPPED SCUM.

She said she KNEW that Miyo Takano could NOT be SK.

The only way she can confirm this, given her role, is if

MIYO TAKANO IS THE THIRD MAFIA.

Also, just a notice: Okonogi, a USURPER.

Okonogi is the person who worked UNDER Miyo Takano, as head of the Yaminazu.

Thus,

this provides even more conclusive evidence that the last scum must be Miyo Takano.

This is where my Gambit last round pays off. We now know that the 2 confirmed character roles of Hanyuu and Rika (Tume and Spyrex)

CANNOT BE MAFIA.

In other words, they are

CONFIRMED TOWN.

Everyone voting Tume

UNVOTE NOW, OR BE LYNCHED.

This level of reasoning is possible for me.

Just don't reference UK's posts when making cases on me. She, by self admission, said that she was conceling things because "that's what scum does". Co-incidentally, scum lies too... It's a null point to use her arguments, so I'd like to avoid them.

so it's alright for you to make cases based on UK's posts, but not me? is that good for you?

kihihihihi . . .

i file for logic error

!

vote stays due to this, i'm going to eat now and i'll be back

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i fucking love english muffins

i didn't shoot it down. did you read? because if you had, you would've noticed that i haven't actually said anything about it yet. let me make this perfectly clear: i'm not shooting it down. i'm not 'discrediting' them, i'm not 'invalidating' them, i'm just taking issue with what looks to me like a contradiction in your rhetoric. if you want me to say it explicitly, i will. i have absolutely no problem with tume and spyrex being confirmed for not-mafia. common sense dictates it.

oh, look at that, i allowed it. it was so hard for me, you should feel my fucking pain. oh, and by the waay, that 'lots of scum points' thing is a huge backflip from your comment less than 48 hours ago saying (and i quote)

But as of now, you're still my top town read (mainly based on the fact no one else posts xD), so I'll let it slide.

and yes, i recognize it's mainly because everyone else was being a lurking lurker who lurks, but the fact remains that half of your listed 'scum points' (and i take issue on them, which i'll elaborate on) occurred before that point. and now, because i've attacked you more coherently (oh no!), i'm your top scum read? come on, lambda, where's the logic in that?

you may declare this as omgus, but to be honest, i still believe the lynch is you or tume. obviously tume is not an option any more, and you're officially the scummiest person in this game, so i have absolutely no problem in voting you.

Vote: Lambda Dearest

This is the play for today guys.

and i'm not finished. look out for zazie-style postings

also OMGNIK<3

also where is CoA

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Buddying with UK.

i like how your entire basis for this is me offering a possible theory based on her points
i also like how it completely ignores the fact that i was leaning uk-scum back when she was still pretending to be shion

Focusing today's lynch to ONLY include me or tume (I'll quote the post if you want it)

is there a suitable case for spyrex!scum?
is there a suitable case for cityofas!scum?
is there a suitable case for zazie!scum?
could the murder have occured before 1am?
does natsuhi have an alibi?

Trying to discredit two confirmed town (well, except sk, but you know what I mean)

as stated, i never discredited them at all. quite the reverse, now, in fact

Intentionally blurring the difference between UK's case on me and UK's scum claim. One is a basis of fact, the other was a smear campaign. One is red truth, the other is blue.

please point out where the difference is. i see you using information from uk. i see me using information from uk. true, it's a simplification, but i see no difference. if you could point it out

so, what was that about the scum points...?

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Drench, UK tunneled me into the ground after claiming scum. That's a null read.

What is not a null read is that she claimed Miyo Takano was a mafia, and not SK

Just don't reference UK's posts when making cases on me. She, by self admission, said that she was conceling things because "that's what scum does". Co-incidentally, scum lies too...

It's a null point to use her arguments, so I'd like to avoid them.

a blatant contradiction. another notch on the scumometer

Sorry, but this combined with all the other shit you've done is too much.

which i've already pointed out is, for the vast majority, baseless...

so, um. speaks for itself, don't it?

zazie-style is so much fun, omg

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sixthly? oh hey chrome says it's a word, cool

First off: You're not dodging the fact that this is OMGUS by saying "you may call this OMGUS". Not gonna fly. I may call it that because it is.

and it may be, but i'm backing it up, so really..

Secondly: who's doing backflips? We're you the one who just discredited my Tume/SpyreX/Takano post, and kept your vote on tume for that? So what's with this "Because Tume is no longer a possibility" shit? You're agreeing with me that Tume is obv town now?

Contradiction, Drenchy. <3

i kept my vote on tume because (and i quote) 'of that', which was referring to your UK!contradiction. not because i thought he was scum. learn to read. no contradiction, Lambdy <3

Thirdly, where we you leaning UK scum? When you threw out a bunch of percentages, but NEVER VOTED FOR HER? Yah, that's a ringing endorsment of your "town play".

OH NO HE LIKES TO BE SURE OF HIS VOTES WHAT A HORRIBLE, INDECENT PERSON I BET HE EATS KITTENS THE FUCKER

Fourthly, you could easily have made a case for CityofA scum. You simply chose to focus on the two easiest targets (as set up by TL and UK the previous day).

i don't see a case on CoA. please, point it out and please, point out why you're not following it

Fifthly, What is this "I never discredited them" shit? You were just saying "my vote is staying on Tume!" the SECOND I take away my "town read" on you, you immediatly attack me, instead of sticking to your original plan. Scum.

didn't you speak about this already? i've already addressed this at point deux

Sixthly, the difference between the citations on UK's posts are as follows: your citation was her speculating, and slandering.
My citation was a red truth claim. Fact. So unless she lied (in which case your Lambda=SK case is dead in the water), This is a fact. Not a theory.

>implying people either tell 100% truth or 100% lies

Think that answers everything Drenchy-kun <3[/quote]

actually, it doesnt. you haven't explained where my buddying is, you haven't explained any other situation which could lead to a lynch other than you/tume (which is now solely you in my view), you've failed to explain the difference between my drawing and your drawing from UK's points, instead resorting to wordplay (budding Beatrice you are), you still haven't explained how i went from the bottom to the top of your scumlist in just 48 hours, the list just never ever ends. also you still haven't given an alibi for natsuhi.

she's sleeping with kinzo, you know, this blue haired girl told me so

soooo, yeah!

P-Edit: AHAHAHA OH WOW
i've based it on much more than that. you even replied to some of those posts, you might remember it. and besides, contradictions (of which there are a few in your case) is nearly always the result of lying. unless, of course, you think lying's good.

and i fully accept your theory on spy/tume being town. fuck, i said that outright in my first fucking post of the zazie-chain. as for the second part of that point, my head's being stupid, so sorry if i'm referencing the wrong stuff here, but i dont see any invalidation. after all, it's common sense that two confirmed linked people are either masons or scum (and please, correct me if there are other options here), and (and i would hope you'd answer this truthfully) tell me, is a 4p mafia faction in a game of 12 sensible? your 'theory' was easily derived from any number of things, and it doesn't change the fact that you're drawing from the exact same place you've forbidden both others and yourself from going near.

<scum>

P-P-Edit: that would be so beautiful, if only

[Drench]

also tell your brother to get the fuck on tengaged and read my mail, it's bleedin' tiresome just watching that time counter tick up

unless he's sleeping or something, but

[Drench]

also, this really needs more popcorn throwing.

[Drench]

Which Blue Haired Girl?

Becareful when trusting those blue haired bitches. They lie a lot apparently.

I'll address the rest of your points tommorow when I'm not falling asleep at my computer ^_^

P-Edit: Uh, I'll tell him. I think he's re-watching Angel Beats, to prepare for Angel Beats season 2... >.<

P-edit-edit: Flaming Popcorn, Drench.

<miss> Erika is confident of natsuhi's guilt, i can assure you. she had a take that to the dead people and everything

also,

Spoiler: big image

[Drench]

FINALLY MY OBSESSIVE REFRESHING HAS PAID OFF

Ok, I really don't have that much more to say.

I want to know a few things:

First off, if you agreed with my theory from the start, why did you continue to vote Tume? Essentially, if you believed him to be obv town, why remain voting him? (The reason I chose to focus my pressure on you is mostly this BTW)

I disagreed with the methodology you used, as I've covered. It was a snap decision, it was probably the wrong choice to make and's probably made this mess, but it is what it is. IIRC I said "vote stays *because of that*" at the time.

Secondly, why didn't you vote UK when you said you found her scummy? I have problems buying this "I didn't vote because I wasn't sure" crap. To me it reads more as "I didn't vote because I wasn't sure how much trouble UK was in yet". Like you were still holding out hope to save your scum buddy. Co-incidentally, not long after that exchange with UK, she decides to claim scum. May be co-incidence, but I find it interesting?

Scum claiming scum is always interesting, no? I can't speak for any co-incidences, but you're welcome to go back and browse any games of mine (probably all in the archive) in which I've taken this stand before. I have no plans to change it, and if you cannot believe it then that, quite frankly, is your problem to bear.

Finally, I don't like how you're being so firm UK's posts. There are parts of her claim that are facts, and parts that are slander. If you can't tell the difference, then I'm really worried for you. I mean, it would be different if I went and said "UK was slandering me all yesterday, and she is a flipped scum. Scum lie, so she must be lying about her SK case herp derp." I wouldn't do that because that's subjective. What's not subjective is the claim she posted, and how she claimed that Miyo Takano was mafia. That was the basis of her case against me. She would not have come out and said that if it wasn't the truth. That's the difference. I have problems with you using this as a scum tell.

I will make the point (and this reaches back far, but DEDICATION BABY), that:

Nobody is confirmed as not being the killer.

I will be writing the story in the point of view of the character Rena. This is not meant to influence the game in any way, shape or form, it is purely for flavor purposes...or is it?

Both these quotes are taken from Haylen's intro in the Mini Theme queue (link). This will be important in a second.

My position on this is that we cannot trust a single word scum says. Reading her posts, her 'case' wasn't really just based on the Takano spec, but also (and I quote) "[ISO her and see] all the SK tells" (I'm paraphrasing here, bite me). I would argue that this case then, if we're going to start making differences here like you have in the quoted section above, is stronger than your Takano speculation. Why?

1) The case is based on both things UK said and things you've done.
2) The Takano spec is based solely on what UK said.

Of course, I don't think invalidating the Takano spec is a good idea: to be honest, if Takano isn't scum I'll eat Haylen. But you cannot claim that Takano spec is permissible while UK's case isn't. Yeah.

Anyway, that's all I have left to say.

Also, if you want a case of CityofA, just look at his activity, over the 4 days. He came out strong day 1, and has lurked into day 4.

...good point, but I'm against lynching lurkers unless there are no better options. Sure, there's a case, but I don't like it at all.

It's weird. Either you/he or Nik HAVE to be scum ( I assume there's only one left), and on my list right now, you and he are at the top, while I'm holding out for how Nik starts playing before I get a read on him.

You're just the only person available to get a read off of right now, and that's probably why you seem so scummy to me -shrug-. It's not that you are overly scum, it's that the other two aren't... (because they don't exist right now xD)

Wait.

So you're lynching me, you're calling me scum...

...because everyone else is lurking?

Good job, Lambda. Good job.

[Drench]

EBWOP: Granted, two of those four lurkers are pretty much confirmed and the third's replaced in, but still.

[Drench]

Lynching is the wrong word Drench.

Pressuring is better.

Running you up to the gallows is better still.

But I don't want you lynched until I see Nik post and City post.

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST AGREE WITH ME FOR ONCE

NO COVERING YOUR BODY IN HONEY AND LICKING IT OFF FOR YOU TODAY*

*

nipah~

[Drench]

All this thread needs now is shemale porn.

=|

[Drench]

Physically ill, not because it's drench,

i never knew you felt that way <3

[Drench]

Physically ill, not because it's drench,

i never knew you felt that way <3

<3

Ok, but seriously? More Nikanor and City thanks.

Very much agreed. Nik said he'd have this read by the end of the day, but NO EXCUSES CITY.

Mod: Prod on City, actually, it would kinda suck if he got modkilled

[Drench]

Drench is also the homosex IIRC.

*slap*

bisex-except-not-the-bisex-reck-'was'-before-he-forsake-the-pussy

there is a difference

[Drench]

Drench is also the homosex IIRC.

*slap*

bisex-except-not-the-bisex-reck-'was'-before-he-forsake-the-pussy

there is a difference

So I see.

I should throw in a nanodesu~ here, but I won't.

And LOL Reck.

LOL

WILL

RECK

[Drench]

YOUDIDPRODHIMRIGHTHAYLEN? CAUSE, YOU KNOW, DAY AND A HALF LEFT, IF I COUNTED CORRECTLY

[Drench]

i'm going to be having a long rant when this thing finishes, let me tell you

let me make it clear, i will claim in due course. i want nik to post first, and then, if i'm still at L-1, i will claim. not until then, though.

[Drench]

AND BEFORE I DIE FROM LACK OF SLEEP

But seriously, I'll recheck the thread and decide who to vote tomorrow. Till then,

Vote: Drench

.

yayyyyy, not having decided who to vote yet putting someone at l-1 ^.^

[Drench]

It's 3am I must be lonely.

sixthly? oh hey chrome says it's a word, cool

Does it tell you that cephalopod is a word? I've been thinking of switching to Chrome, but haven't because I'm lazy. This might be the turning point for me.

cephalopod.

I'll actually read the rest of that (and what I presume will be moar activity) when I wake up. It's been a shitty day.

[Drench]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING

i see deadline's today, which means this is probably the last time i'll check in

If you want the flavor of who could be "spiriting away" people, that would be Oyashiro-sama. Better known as Hanyuu.

wasn't your whole biz about how hanyuu was confirmed? i realize it's flavour, but still :<

CoA is the mafia godfather. His claim of one-shot roleblocker is complete bullshit.

(AmIdoingitright?) This was all but proven when TL voted for him over UK yesterday. Also, LLD is suspecting CoA for reasons I can't really place my finger on. Maybe it's because she's an SK who tried to kill CoA on night two, but failed because he's immune to kills. IIRC, LLD's suspicions appeared right around the beginning of day three. If someone could verify that for me, I'd be much obliged.
LLD, for someone so keen on flavour analysis, I don't believe you've told us who fits the spirited away kill flavour. Why not?

I trust that UK was being earnest with her posts following her scumclaim.
Not much else to add other than a

Vote: CityofAs.

The fact that he has no votes is astounding. We can lynch LLD tomorrow.
I'd like the CoA wagon to build quickly, please, so that he might be turned into Acme Crow Food™ before the deadline. A claim is unnecessary.

so, i've got a dilemma. tume's probably not going to be on before deadline, which means it's probably up to me, right here, right now to hammer. and yes, this being true doesn't stop ll (or, indeed, for the sake of fairness,) anyone else from being sk (if, indeed, there is one).

so, do i hammer?

THE THRILLING CONCLUSION SOON, WHILE I THINK AND GET DRESSED AND PREPARE TO GO TO THE MOVIES AT THE SAME TIME

[Drench]

(and the answer is probably if not certainly yes, but mum's going to bitch if i don't get dressed right now so :X)

[Drench]

o yea, that's true

[Drench]

(8:57:51 AM) hitlersbumchum: hahaha he's naked

and with that amusing interlude, (why are you telling me this hayl) i shall

I was refering to you when you said your mum wanted you to get dressed! ~_~ ~ Hayl

Vote: COA

[Drench]

Well, actually, no. If you want me to claim, then I'll claim, but for the love of god, don't vote until everything is sorted out. It's most definitely lylo.

mind you i've only skimmed thus far, give me time

[Drench]

<miss> Lambdadelta,

let's begin.

Also, a claimed Mafia member essentially claimed for the purpose of outing me as an SK. Highly unlikely I am mafia.[/color]

We have been over this time and time and time and time and time again, Lambda. It is impossible to know UK's motives when they've been locked into the cat box of her dead head. Stop assuming that you know exactly what she did, because for all I know, you're wrong.

Also, I can claim that I am the vig in this game.

ISN'T THAT CONVENIENT

I tried to kill Drench night 2. As you can see, he didn't die. I wasn't role blocked, so I figured one of three things.

Drench was a BP, Drench was Doc saved, Or Drench was scum with an NK immunity.

[quote="Drench, Day 3]

There is a theory that accounts for all facts currently present. This theory points to you being scum. I will not reveal this theory until a later date. You of all people should realize why, considering your performance yesterday. However, it is by no means the only theory.

I will decode this for you later upon the claim.

[quote="Drench, Day 3]The way TheLonging played around UK sent warning bells in my head. He said too many things town should never say with a confirmed scum/ tracker claim that had gone wrong.

Shot him Night 3.[/quote]

Didn't it say he lost his win condition? Though this depends entirely on what Hayl did with the role, so I won't hold it to anyone.

Then, Day 4 I wanted to test out Drench. Once I found Tume and SpyreX to be cleared town, I focused more on Drench because ZazieR and CityofA were so inactive.

Enter:Nikanor

He came in and did essentially the same thing I killed TL for.

So... When we were forced into a deadline lynch of CoA... I decided to kill him that night.

So, let me get this straight.

You killed a pro-town player and brought us to LYLO . . . because you WANTED TO FUCKING TUNNEL?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Another reason I killed him: I couldn't kill Drench night 2. More likely than not, I wasn't going to be able to kill him Night 4 either.

Exactly right! Refer to my red truth.

And now here we stand. There WAS no SK. All those "spirited away" kills are MINE. I am the vig. And because of that, I can confirm Tume as 100% clear, and thus Drench is 100% town.

Tume is 100%? I'm 100% town? Huh. Guess that only leaves one. Slip?

I want a mass claim now.

I can approve, but we need to do it in an orderly fashion instead of blurting it out all at once...

As you can see, I am the Vig. My role name is infact Frederika Bernkastle. That is where the "spirited away" flavor comes from. People thinking that I am Oohashiro-sama. I am here to help town win, and create a miracle in Rokkenjima.

...like that. And, um, this is twice you've lied about your role now, first you said you were Trollkastel, then you said you weren't and now you are. Make up your fucking mind.

Vote: Drench

Tume, this should be GG for town. Don't fuck this up. Drench HAS to be scum.

[/quote]

Time and time and time again, I've disproven every single one of your points. You are scum, dammit. The contradictions and lies are everywhere, and it's my sincere hope that (and I don't like to go AoE and tell Tume not to 'fuck it up' like you've done, but) town doesn't fuck it up.

HoS: LL

Let me make this clear: this is as good as a vote. Feel free to quote this as a vote. Feel free to treat this as a vote. I really do want to vote you. But, it's LYLO, I'm not throwing votes down until I'm ready.

[Drench]

EBWOP: oh wow, tag fail everywhere

Hayl, can you fix that up? @.@

[Drench]

EBWOP:

And now here we stand. There WAS no SK. All those "spirited away" kills are MINE. I am the vig. And because of that, I can confirm Tume as 100% clear, and thus Drench is 100%

scum.

Bolded is fixed from town to scum xD

thank god you didn't say the quote in red!

[Drench]

Drench, propose a solution where you are NOT mafia.

The SK doesn't exist, right?

So the second kill last night had to be you, as Miyo Takano!

Unless you're claiming that Tume is Miyo Takano, disguised as Rika?

There were two kills last night. ASSUMING, of course, that you're not lying about being a Vig, there is no SK.

I, however, highly doubt the veracity of your claims.

Also, for the eighth time, stop with the flavor. You've already denounced it as scummy.

[Drench]

Not flavor dude. Miyo Takano is confirmed mafia, by UK.

Ohhh, I forgot, UK is always lying scum EXCEPT when it suits you! Sorry, it slipped my mind.

[Drench]

And you want a claim? Here it comes, from the Bob Barker Studios in Hollywood!

also prepare yourself, it's twisted flavor.

I hid night two. I hid night four. I can only hide once every two nights. I do not hide behind anyone, I simply hide away. I am the GODDAMN

BATTLER

Satoshi

, a

Hider

(lol).

THAT's why your kill failed N2. THAT's why your kill failed N4. And now, for the red.

There is a theory that accounts for all facts currently present. This theory points to you being scum. I will not reveal this theory until a later date. You of all people should realize why, considering your performance yesterday. However, it is by no means the only theory.

By 'you of all people' (which referred to UK, you can go check if you like), I was referring to UK's push on Zodiark based on 'role information'. I had role information, dammit, and judging from the no kills, it fit.

Now, where the second kill came from, who fucking knows. It complicates matters somewhat, because now, both you and Tume have to be killers. What to think about that I don't know, I simply know what I've done.

i blame the GODDAMN BATTLER for this mess

that and the lesbians-turned-bisexuals

[Drench]

P-Edit:

Drench commits logic error!

He claims a NON-KILLING ROLE.

So, now unless Rika/Tume has the ability to kill someone, you lose! You cannot account for the second kill! My theory DOES!

i like how you blatantly assume i have to prove what i am by playing information i can't legally have

contradictions everywhere in this bitch.

P-EDIT: i like how you blatantly assume i have to prove what i am by playing information i can't legally have

[Drench]

WHERE IS TUME

[Drench]

You can ignore my request all you like!

Doesn't change the fact that YOU CANNOT ACCOUNT for the second kill.

Which means somewhere, there will be a lie. If Tume claims a non-killing role, then one of you is lying. And since Tume is town confirmed, despite what you say, you are the liar!

Now, why don't you get this over with? You and I both know that we can only vote eachother today. It's the only possible play. Either you are scum, or I am. So cut this bullshit, vote me, and let Tume fucking decide who is lying. He is obv town, and we should let him decide between our cases, rather than arguing back and forth on a endless debate.

So either prove that the second kill was possible, and it wasn't by your hand, or just vote me.

I fucking will now!

this is what they call being forward, right

VOTE: LADY

SCUM

LAMBDADELTA

It has been an absolute pleasure, Lambda. I hope Tume runs you into the ground like the villains deserve.

P-EDIT:

And honestly, if after you just claimed a non-killing role, when there were 2 kills last night, tume still hands you the victory, I will be very dissapointed.

It's really clear cut why you are scum :S

If he ignores every single contradiction and lie you've notched up over the past two days and goes to voting me, I'll be how very

dare you

disappointed.

[Drench]

HOLY SHIT THIS GAME NEEDS A TEA PARTY

BAGS BEING WRI~GHT

it's been very fun <3

[Drench]

AND AN URA! AND AN URA!

[Drench]

requesting an Endgame Scroll, hayll

btw

[Drench]

sorry, i couldn't resist =3

[Drench]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF(assumingtakanoisscum)FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Drench]

THIS IS HORRIBLE

of course tume should vote you then, so that EVERYONE CAN BE A WINNER

[Drench]

THIS IS HORRIBLE

of course tume should vote you then, so that EVERYONE CAN BE A WINNER

I'm sorry, did you just admit to being Miyo Takano?

I'm sorry, did you just admit that voting you would make everyone win?



AND LAMBDA IS A CRUEL MANIPULATIVE BITCH

WHO MAKES 'WITCHES' FOR FUN AND PROFIT

[Drench]

[Drench]

of course i won't win the game, that implies that i win by myself and not the town

-.-

[Drench]

i'm having too much fun

[Drench]

Quick Pre-Read Note To Tume: Please read the entire thread before you make a vote, if you do. Game's pretty much resting on you, bro, and it'd be a shame if the decision was uninformed.

[Drench]

I'm agreeing with Drench on this one.

Thus proving that miracles can happen.

Mind you, if you're Bern, why didn't you just go

change Takano's path when she was 6

and save us all? Selfish.

then again she is called trollkastel for a reason =|

[Drench]

Also, if after all this, I get lynched final day by my own town member, and mafia wins this, I'm going to cry.

Tears of rage, obviously. But still tears ;_;

I'm going to make an appeal to you right now Lambda: stop the AoEs and just let him do his work.

We've both stated our cases. Let's be dignified and not muddy the water with scummy appeals.

[Drench]

And now if you excuse me, I'm off to make an avatar consisting of five faces.

Wish me luck!

[Drench]

Quick Pre-Read Note To Tume: Please read the entire thread before you make a vote, if you do. Game's pretty much resting on you, bro, and it'd be a shame if the decision was uninformed.

[Drench]

well done lambda, enjoy your win.

[Drench]

Oh wow ^_^

Good Game Drench. You deserved this every bit as much as I did.

It's over everyone! 10th twilight achieved!

None shall be left alive!

Beatrice

Lambda has won!

What do you think everyone?

You were left alive.

Fourth game, ninth twilight. And none shall be left alive. Earth to earth. Illusions to illusions. When fiction is shut up inside a cat box, it becomes truth.

i'll post my thoughts, but i was originally going to claim on day 4, which i think would've turned out fantastically. but, then nik came in, so i just went with it. it's my fault, really, i should've modified my claim before going forward in light of the double kill. had i claimed d4 OR had i no-killed N4, i *think* i could've had this.

regardless, doesn't change the fact that ll played a good game.

[Drench]

ALSO, IF EVERYONE COULD GO TO http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15885 AND VOTE RECKY-DEAREST, THAT WOULD BE MOST MARVELLOUS.

[Drench]

Spoiler: Game Record

Code: Select all

Ushiromiya Carrotcake

'Died' at the First Twilight.
Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice.

Ushiromiya Zodiark13

'Died' at the First Twilight.
Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice.

Ushiromiya Lambdadelta

'Died' at the First Twilight.
Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice.

Ushiromiya Drench

'Died' at the First Twilight.
Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice.

Ushiromiya UncertainKitten

'Died' at the First Twilight.
Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice.

Ushiromiya CityOfAs

'Died' at the First Twilight.
Chosen by the key of the Golden Land, offered up as a sacrifice.

Ushiromiya Carrotcake

Died at the Second Twilight.
Pierced through the neck by the "Stake of Satan".

Ushiromiya Andrew24

Died at the Second TWilight.
Pierced through the heart by the "Stake of Belphegor".

Ushiromiya Zodiark13

Died at the Fourth Twilight.
Forehead gouged by the "Stake of Leviathan".

Ushiromiya UncertainKitten

Died at the Fifth Twilight.
Chest gouged by the "Stake of Mammon".

Ushiromiya Exilon

Died at the Sixth Twilight.
Stomach gouged by the "Stake of Beelzebub".

Ushiromiya TheLonging

Died at the Seventh Twilight.
Knee gouged by the "Stake of Lucifer".

Ushiromiya CityOfAs

Died at the Eighth Twilight.
Leg gouged by the "Stake of Asmodeus".

Ushiromiya SpyreX

Missing at the Ninth Twilight.
Would the Witch beckon him, he who didn't recognize her existence and denied her, to the Golden Land?

Ushiromiya Nikanor

Missing at the Ninth Twilight.
Would the Witch beckon him, he who didn't recognize her existence and denied her, to the Golden Land? 

Ushiromiya Drench

Alive at the time of the game's suspension.

Ushiromiya Tumescence

Alive at the time of the game's suspension.

Lady Lambdadelta

Revived on the Ninth Twilight.
She finally opens the door to the Golden Land.



And when the seagulls cried, one is left alive.

N.B. There are inverted commas around died for a reason.

I'm done now. I'll probably post actual thoughts on the game later.

[Drench]

Yeah, I was unkillable. Also, no problems in linking the QT.

[Drench]

still waiting for my salvation here bern

[Drench]

Thanks Cassandra.

(You are pro if you get the reference)

+∞ internets

[Drench]

IT'S A CONSPIRACY. THAT IS THE WILL OF TAKANO MIYO, WHO IS THE SERIAL KILLER.
HERP DERP HERP!...

There should be a Umineko Mafia for EP6.

I want to do a game for either every two games or every game. Tad ambitious, but GODDAMMIT IT WOULD BE COOL.

I've seen most of it too.

Leon

... Why'd he die? I don't know...but...

Kyrie had killed him.

And shit, I wish I could DL the VN somehow without it destroyed or paused.

Leon dies because in all bad end fragments, the baby becomes Yasu and wreaks havoc on 1986, and in all good end fragments (reportably) the conference of 1986 ends in violence, where Kyrie takes advantage and kills everyone, including Lion (in the parlor!). This means that (technically) there are no good ends, since there are only bad ends and the occasional eva!win.

And Wright is incredible. Holy shit, have my babies and everything. Although, the part I loved most about EP7 was right after Clair had finished her story, at the Detective's Summation. Still haven't decoded half the illusion to illusion stuff, but it feels great to know that

those lines are the answer

.

[Drench]

I'm pretty sure that'd be impossible unless you just stuck with Prime. That gives

16 roles, compared to the 50+ characters in all the eps combined

[Drench]

BUT I DEMAND EVERY CHARACTER

[Drench]

Amakusa

isn't useless. He

kills Ange for WORLD PEACE

and everything!