Mini #1081 - SitMOA Mafia (Endgame... Congrats, winners!)

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/confirming

Almost missed this

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Also, i'm leaving for school in about 20 min, won't be able to post for around 6 hours.

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VOTE: Chesskid for OMGUS-ing

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CC: dayvig

Dayvig: Katsuki

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When will the last guys confirm?

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Anyone know where snow lives?

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UNVOTE: Chesskid

I didn't think that would count, sorry.

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lol why are you apologizing for voting me?

I was joking when I was voting you. I didn't think pretend votes would count.

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@gandalf & chess

Can you explain your reasoning?

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That doesn't cut it VOTE: Gandalf

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He hasn't.

And how is that scummy?

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Hi, you don't read much, do you? We're still in RVS now, and i'm clearly trying to get us OUT. Thanks for playing. You are the weakest link, goodbye!

Seriously? Rvs ended a long Time ago. You really should go and read back.

Also, show me where you are "trying to get us out of rvs".

unvote, vote: chesskid

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In had changed my vote to chess BTW

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You know, I think katsuki's joking.

Also...

Fos:VP

Posts only after getting voted, then just giving everyone a blanket statement? Scummy in my eyes.

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[quote=Chess]Dark for opportunistic vote/defense of Narsis/jumpingon the lol [/quote]

I want to headdesk you so hard, except it's against the rules.

1. Opptimistic vote? Can you eleborate?
2. Where have I defended narsis?
3. Jumping on the "rvs is over" bandwagon? Seriously? That's like saying:

Guy: the sky is blue
Me: Youre right
Chess: OMG BANDWAGON

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Hi, you don't read much, do you? We're still in RVS now, and i'm clearly trying to get us OUT. Thanks for playing. You are the weakest link, goodbye!

Seriously? Rvs ended a long Time ago. You really should go and read back.

Also, show me where you are "trying to get us out of rvs".

unvote, vote: chesskid

Whee

How does that help you at all?

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Opportunistic vote: check
Chainsaw defense: check
Wagon on me based on RCA not over comment: check

Incorrect Facts: Check
Vagueness: Check
Trying to gain village's trust: Check

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That wasn't sarcastic. You are legit acting like that.

Also, I did address those points.

Opportunistic vote: Vagueness
Chainsaw & Wagon: Incorrect facts

noted

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3rd vote on wagon.

I'm not voting because of a wagon. I'm voting because I genuinely think you're scum

Attacking me while I am voting Narsis is a chainsaw defense, like it or not (the part where you have ignored Narsis all game does not help).[/quoute]

WAT

That's a horribly pathetic reason. Chainsaw defense=Defending someone by attacking the person voting, not what you said.

Every person voting me except the RVS pokemon vote mentioned my statement that the RVS was not over as one of (if not the only) reason for the vote.

Not me

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Hi, you don't read much, do you? We're still in RVS now, and i'm clearly trying to get us OUT. Thanks for playing. You are the weakest link, goodbye!

Seriously? Rvs ended a long Time ago. You really should go and read back.

Also, show me where you are "trying to get us out of rvs".

unvote, vote: chesskid

Not you, really?

Yes, as your last couple of votes are further helping my point.

In other news, WAY TO ASK PEOPLE FOR SCUMPICKS WITHOUT GIVING ANY OF YOUR OWN. Hypocrisy much?


@AdumbroDeus: Who are your top scumpicks and townpicks, and why?

Are. You. Serious.

You can't discard it when it's supposedly the reason you and Darkhorse are voting for me.

But it's not. I'm voting for you because I think you're scum.

Because I totally didn't just catch Dark Horse lying, amirite?

How am I lying?

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Also I'm going to be agressive this game, so if you ask me to do something before doing it yourself, I'm going to call you scummy for it. Just save us all the time and answer any questions you ask others, or indicate that you will answer after they do.

Avoiding questions are scummy, no matter what your excuse is.

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I didn't just mean that. You saying "I'm not going to answer questions" is scummy.

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When you said "i'm going to be aggressive", it was pretty obvious you where talking about adum's question. Hence why it can be inferred that you were using it as an excuse for initial refusing s of questions.

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Yeah, no, you're not going to get any support for a wagon on me, so I'm not going to bother correcting your obvious logical fallacies.

Anybody else unsatisfied with Narsis's answers?

That was a very contributive post.

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unvote
vote RBT

chesskid is correct.

Elaborate. Until then,

Unvote, vote: VP

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Guys stop voting me. You will find a confirmed town Vezok at the end of the line..

Also I am vezok not VP.

Such a convincing argument, VP.
If you're town, then act like it.

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Nah, vezok is town. I have experience with him.

Can you show me some examples of "experience with him?"

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Because VP has done it more*


*the "no substance" thing

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What I said.

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Well yes. But that would mean stalling. If I claimed at L-3 you have a full real day to get your votes off me and try to hunt scums.


If I claimed at L-0 it would be a complete waste of time.

Wouldn't it

save

us time?

Reversing actions take more time than never doing it at all.

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That's straw manning, mate.

Unvote, vote: Chesskid

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I was talking to andrew.

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So you were talking to andrew, but you put your vote on me with no justification. Unless you're still trying to ride the omglulz rvs + didn't answer a question for a page omg u scumz bro wagon?

There's also the fact that you claimed i'm scum due to buzzsaw defending. Those points are also vaild, saying "OMG they all jumped on a bandwagon!!!!!1!1!!1!1!!1!!" Doesn't change it.

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what is strawmanning

When, instead of responding to an argument, you just twist their viewpoint. It's a logical fallacy.

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I don't really understand DH's vote much. To clarify; You're voting chess because he accused you of a chainsaw defense, the "omglulz RVS" and didn't answer a question? DH- clarify?

1. He said I was scum because I had vote for chess while he had voted narsis, claiming i was buzzsaw defending
2. He said RVS is over much later than anyone else, and said that people who pointing that out where bandwagoning

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why would u claim a dag vig...

Pretty much this.

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None of your business. Also, don't forget that I may or may not actually have it. I'm not telling you. I'm going to dangle it over all your heads.

If you're alive toMorrow, i'll raise an eyebrow.

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Also chess clearly is NOT SCUM! If he had a no-lynch ability as scum: a) there is no way he would have claimed it as the mafia could have just used it whenever they wanted to get another nk, b) giving scum a no-lynch is too powerful.
Unless you think he is lying about his claim, but this seems unlikely as it has been apparently backed up by flavor.

Making assumptions like this aren't good reasons for clearing someone. Can you read the game mod's mind'?

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Darkhorse's last two posts bump him down to the very bottom null read (as in null heavily leaning scum).

*sighs* Can you get any worse? You're OMGUS-ing now

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Yes!

Seriously though, making assumptions is generally not a good idea, but people can make educated guesses. For example if one person claims doc and another counter-claims it wouldn't be an

assumption

to say that one of those two people are scum, it would be an

educated guess

.

That's different. There, it's usually been proven that doc CCs=one of them is maf. Here, your talking about the mind of a person and I doubt you know how snow bunny thinks.

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Hi my name is darkhorse and I like to line up lynches.

He claimed dayvig. Why would the maf

not

go for him?

*forgot to take doc/BG into consideration, sorry gandalf

OH DRAT, SOMEONE THINKS CHESS IS TOWN. PANIC MODE ENGAGE. ATTACK THE LOGIC! ATTACK!

Just pointing out how it isn't good logic for clearing someone.

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That's different. There, it's usually been proven that doc CCs=one of them is maf. Here, your talking about the mind of a person and I doubt you know how snow bunny thinks.

Ok probably not quite so cut and dry as that other situation.
Let me put it a more reasonable way: it is

highly likely

that chess does indeed have a no-lynch ability, therefore it is

highly unlikely

that chess is scum.

the fact that chess as a NL ability is something tat I believe. However, why would a townsperson have such an anti-town role?

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Better question: why would a nontownsperson not use it instantly on D1? That was not moving along, though.

Because he could save it for something like lylo?

DarkHorse, since you have nothing better to do, how do you feel about Katsuki?

Null read, nothing hasn't really popped out on me

inb4somebodyshowsmescummykatsukiposts

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My FoS is RBt, due to lack of content.

Thought you might want to know that, before you judge me.

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If what katsuki says is right...

unvote, vote RBT

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@mod I'll be V/LA for the next couple of days

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*nevermind

... chess said he was gonna vig whoever hamemred

Chess claimed he had a no lynch bullet, not a vig shot.

@chesskid

Remember, roles where sent out before the game started.

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DH and andy are scum.

And how?

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And how does it not feel right?

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No, common sense told me if you were the real lyncher, you wouldn't out so quickly

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Because you would get lynched?

Because it didn't seem like anyone believed you.

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yeah.

Except he's not.

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Because you would get lynched?

If he was a lyncher and his target was RBT there would be no point to lynch him since he already won. Lets think moar kthx.

Not toDay, but probably toMorrow.

Also applies to lynchers in general.

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I was roleblocked...and I didn't even do anything...lol.

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VOTE: Andrew

I'm getting scum vibes from him.

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So you were lying about your nl bullet? Or do you have both?

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I'm back, and everyone pretty much covered what I was going to say... oh well

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Yup.

PEDIT: Make a case on somebody. Scumhunt. Do something to prove it.

scum hunt how?

there has been next to no scum hunting by anyone this game

. a bunch of players are lurking or V/LA, and almost all the discussion has been about who has what power roles and waiting for the night to come along so people can use them. hence the similarity to a follow the cop game...

PEDIT:

yeah like there's going to be 3 third party roles in a 12 player game...

and for the record i didnt expect it to change his mind.

@bold Do you know how to play?
@underline go back. There

has

been scumhunting
@italics:
how do you know? WHat if this is some bastard maf where there is 3 indy people?

@chess, im not a vi, you are the vi.

Effectively NO U. Try something better

in other notes, how am i lurking,not providing content?

I'm just going to back away slowly...

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I'm a transmuter, a wizard who specializes in transforming things.

I've got a bunch of one-shot things, such as:

Bear's Endurance: A person needs one more vote to get lynched
Eagle's Splendor: A person gets to vote twice
Haste: A person gets an additional night action
Baleful Polymorph: A Person can't use any actions and can't vote, but can still speak.

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There's a competition of bandwagons between me and someone else. Why wouldn't I claim?

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How about I turn you into a frog overnight? Will you believe me then?

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I haven't used bear's endurance on myself, so I would get lynched normally.

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cant you use it at day?

No. I have to use them at night.

Darkhorse, baleful polymorph is permanent?

It lasts a night and a day.

Not liking the claim at uh l-5

I probably going to get vigged if I didn't.

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Andrew, you're pretty much asking for a baeful polymorph.

They probably would know, and if they don't, they probably would figure out the next day. I haven't used any yet, though.

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Me? Adum's been lurking, don't like narsis's posting on pgs 26-27 (or was it 27-28? Anyways, the one where he says that his role confirms that i'm a pr, or something like that), those are probably my scumpicks.

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Scratch what narsis. I said about, I don't like his posting in general.
VOTE: Narsis

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Scratch what narsis. I said about, I don't like his posting in general.
VOTE: Narsis

This is supposed to read "Scratch what I said about narsis. I don't like his posting in general." x_x

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STOP IGNORING THIS PL0X.

ALSO DH OWES ME SOME STUFF THAT HE SAID WASN'T WORTH SAYING BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE ALREADY SAID IT.

That was it, lol. There had only been a page after I had last posted, didn't have much to say.

Mod:

You didn't count DH vote on Narsis.

Narsis wagon is full of win and I like how DH is bussing his buddy to gain town cred.

Do you think I would make an obvious bus like that? (if it was a bus)

Oh,

Unvoe, vote: Narsis

I wonder if anyone is convinced by andrew's argument....

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Do you think I would make an obvious bus like that? (if it was a bus)

Sigh.

Narsis wagon is moving too fast. That's L-2 with Adumbro's replacement still owing a nice catchup post, and Katsuki owing a lot of posts.

wonder what that says about the wagon...

Wonder what that says about you. And admiral already explained why (two play today: me and you. I claimed, therefore the play is you)

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Katsuki has a point, malth provided 0 solid stances for anyone in his last couple of posts.

Fos: Malth

@maf do the town a favor and nk andrew plz.

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If narsis is getting vigged, then I'll go with my FoS.

Unvote, Vote: Malth

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Sorry, been busy.

I don't believe malt's claim. "Shield"? Seriously?

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Gandalf, I find it funny that you say I'm scum, but your point how "I couldve been so shocked that my scumbuddie was a lyncher target , so I decided not to comment on it", it's valid, as RBT wasn't scum.

Just pointing it out.

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EBWOP Ninja'd by so much....

Gandalf was there a death-anti miller is alphabet, or were you talking about how everyone was forced to claim?

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@mod V/LA for the next couple of days