Mini 1038 - Inception Mafia (Game Over; Shared Win)

[manho]

What do we gain from lynching the architect?

i doubt the mod is the architect.
maybe the dream will collapse and maybe we all lose.

Also, is there any way to view D1 or are we just stuck here?

maybe this is a part of bastard modding.

[manho]

Also, is there any way to view D1 or are we just stuck here?

For now, the only way to see previous posts is to search for individual users posts. (except Manho)

maybe this is a part of bastard modding.

Last I heard, you were the #1 suspect for the thread corruption. Take a look at your ISO in your profile,

wrt, i can't use "view your posts" and search my own posts??? maybe i need to find mith to deal with it. but it doesn't affect any of my other games, so idk.

[manho]

Discussing the mod's role in this game seems pointless at this moment. I've seen no reason to why we should think of him as anything else than just a mod.

Manho, could you elaborate the "my read on people"-list you made?

can you quote it for me? [see the above post]

[manho]

i really think chrono is not scum, but still doubt bv is scum counterclaiming, so i think a night period can get the things cleared, and i think we can get longer and longer days, as i think we are getting deeper and deeper into the dream, thus the longer time duration.

[manho]

You still fail to respond to my request.

Manho, could you elaborate the "my read on people"-list you made?

And no, as you know I can't quote the post I refer to. If you for some reason have completely forgotten what you wrote, I urge you to make a new list.

iirc, most of my read is from gut feeling. i can't get a new list if i can read the thread, so no.

[manho]

You don't have a single thought on any player because you can't read the thread, is that what you are saying?

yes for now.

[manho]

vote: BC

, i'm ariadne

[manho]

i really don't know who is scum. and it didn't help with 5 un-flipped dead people.

[manho]

i support a massclaim.

[manho]

I'm the king. And as far as I'm concerned, bv was indeed Saito.

???

[manho]

vote: AGM

, and that's L-1

@all, who do you think is the most pro-town, among all the un-flipped dead players?

[manho]

ariadne. i will be going in the limbo tonight, and can bring back a player, if any, in limbo back to the current level, but i'll be staying in limbo, unless someone else bring me out.

[manho]

ariadne. i will be going in the limbo tonight, and can bring back a player, if any, in limbo back to the current level, but i'll be staying in limbo, unless someone else bring me out.

no, i'm reading my role wrong. i will come back from limbo tomorrow. the condition, in my pm, that i'll be staying in limbo is when i'm sent there by other means.

[manho]

AlmasterGM: neutral to town
Anon: neutral to scum
BloodCovenent: neutral to scum, but need to die due to deadline
bv310: inactive
Chronopie: scummy but fit his general meta
Data: can't read due to playstyle
Iecerint: inactive
ooba: town
Seraphim: inactive
Switz: inactive
Tuberkulos: neutral to scum

Explain this list. Elaborate. What exactly does the word "neutral" stand for in this list? If you made a list like this today, how would it look?

neutral is used to distinguish someone like ooba from AGM, and anon, BC, tuberkulos from sure scum, which is no one by that time. ooba was a strong gut feeling then, and AGM was scum hunting, so those 2 are the towniest on my list. inactives were inactives, and chrono is always scummy, but fit his general meta. i really can't read data. all the others get neutral to scum. those are based on day 1 only.

and i will not make the whole list by demand so easily, why not you provide the list first?

and ooba was bring back to life by me from limbo. i've no idea how the other 3 come back, but maybe that all the un-flipped not in limbo are revived as now only seraphim and AGM were left in limbo, and they are the only 2 unflipped dead now.

[manho]

Even though I agree to some extent about difficulties getting a read on people who roleplay, I strongly disagree that it's impossible. Especially since Data's alt isn't

that

extreme.

data was impossible to read day 1. he has less roleplay recently.

I still think we should lynch manho. He is either scum or an idiot.

so why am I scum?

To everyone who have returned, what happened when you were in Limbo? Were you able to do anything at all?

only ooba is from limbo, at least that limbo where i've been last night.

let's not forget something, bv counter-claimed saito, which chrono flipped to be. so bv is lying.

vote: bv

[manho]

I am not lying. BC already knows my confusion from the graveyard thread. The only thing that's made sense to me so far is that Chrono was Eames, forging me.

Anyway, having reread the whole 13 pages of this game (Seriously, how the hell do you guys lynch in two pages two days in a row? For shame.), I'll say that either Manho or Data are scum.

vote: Data

so why am i scum???

i am a n-shoot reviver, to those in limbo. ooba knows that as i have access to the limbo QT last night. why would a mod give a reviver to a scumteam? it will be a major advantage to the scum team as only they know who's town and who's scum. so they can freely revive a scum-buddy without letting the others know it.

[manho]

may unvote bv if BC comes and explain what's happened in the graveyard.

[manho]

i think we need a mass claim now.

[manho]

vote: tuberkulos

. data has made a good point against his claim.

[manho]

Roles were hidden for a reason. If Arthur is able to find ROLE NAMES that means that there is something very important hiding behind them. Mal is, without a doubt, the villian in this film.

"Arthur is

pro-town

rolename cop" is assumed here, so these argument is not valid until you can prove Arthur being pro-town.

[manho]

i think we should not decide which character is scum before we know everyone's role.

BloodCovenent - Robert Michael Fischer, BP townie
bv310 - Saito, Watcher
Fate

Anon

- Yusurf, ???
Data - Mal, Third Party
Iecerint - ???, ???
manho - Ariadne, Revivor
ooba - ???, Miller
RedCoyote - ???, ???
Tuberkulos - Arthur, Rolename Cop

fate, iecerint, ooba and redcoyote should claim.

[manho]

I'll claim. I'm Miles, a Vanilla Townie.

hi professor, but why are you in our dream???

[manho]

seraphim claimed miles in limbo. and i'm still not easy about the two player share a rolename things.

will hammer if RC can explain all the slips.

[manho]

i'll be reviving someone again tonight. so don't lynch me.

[manho]

Who have you revived manho?

VOTE: BloodCovenant

ooba.

and i agree with the BC lynch.

vote: BC

[manho]

Why the hell did you revive the miller?

the 3 candidates in limbo were ooba, seraphim and AGM. AGM was just lynched then, so it was pointless to revive him. seraphim claimed the make a scum usurper power, which was probably the flipped power of chrono. i have a town read on ooba D1. so the choice is obvious here.

BC came back D4. I think manho claimed to have resurrected ooba. bv and RC also came back, but without explanation IIRC.

Data, comments on ooba's request for fullclaims from Fate and me? Does whatever made you tell me not to fullclaim earlier still apply?

bv and RC were not in limbo then. and as i said before, all those unflipped dead player not in limbo got revived. my guess based on flavor is that we are back to the real world D4, so all those not in limbo wake up. and it also matched the flipped of the RC lynch, as being killed in dream will only wake you up but being killed in real world is a dead.

[manho]

Alive:
BloodCovenent - Robert Michael Fischer, BP townie
Fate

Anon

- Yusurf, ???
Data - Mal, Third Party (WC: Cobb is alive at endgame)
Iecerint - Dom Cobb, ???
manho - Ariadne, Revivor
ooba - Peter Browning, Miller

Unflipped:
Seraphim - Miles, "making a specific scum player an usurper" power
AlmasterGM - Maurice Fischer, VT
bv310 - Saito, Watcher
Tuberkulos - Arthur, Rolename Cop

Flipped:
Chronopie - Saito, Briber
RedCoyote - Nash, Mafia Goon

[manho]

Also someone make one of those handy dandy list of claim charts (alive and dead) so I know what we're working with

So that you can know what you can claim?

Manho, probably should have waited with that list before Fate claimed ..

...

V/LA until 20/10.

[manho]

fate's ability will also send lynchee into limbo, as in AGM's case.

[manho]

let's check iecerint's target, fate's target and the death history:

bv310 | ???? | ???? | ???? Night One
Seraphim | ???? | ???? | ???? Night One

bv was killed by iecerint, so seraphim was killed by scum. both were not sedated. both were not in limbo.

ooba | ???? | ???? | ???? Night Two
RedCoyote | ???? | ???? | ???? Night Two (Switz)

RC/switz was killed by iecerint, ooba by scum. ooba was not sedated yet, but both were in limbo.

iecerint killed data(Mal) night 3, but nothing happened.

bv310 | ???? | ???? | ???? Night Four
Tuberkulos | ???? | ???? | ???? Night Four

Tuberkulos was killed by iecerint, so bv by scum. bv was not sedated. Tuberkulos is in limbo now, but bv is not.


So, the unexplained parts are:
1. bv was not in limbo after iecerint killed him N1.
2. ooba was not sedated when scum killed him N2, but went to limbo.
3. nothing happened to data when iecerint killed him N3.

1 and 3 may be due to the un-predictable of the inception power. but 2 can't be explained by any means.

[manho]

RC wasn't in Limbo, either, based on your claim, IIRC.

Do you have access to Limbo right now? Is Tuber there? If not, none of my targets have ever actually gone to limbo, in spite of the ability description.

oh yes, i've mixed up RC and seraphim. RC was not in limbo, but seraphim is.

and i've access to the limbo QT that i've got earlier, not sure if mod changed it. Tuber was there.

i think fate's ability is too strong for scum, as it can automatically upgrade a scum kill to limbo kill.

[manho]

Oh limbo info in case I die:
When I entered limbo, Sera was there - appeared to be there for a long time and

was a bit older ..

AGM, manho entered limbo later and manho rescued me ..

LOL'd at the bolded.

maybe we should kill the claimed third-party first. i really see fate's role as a town role.

unvote, vote: Mal

[manho]

= ="

unvote, vote: data

[manho]

Im a chemist who's making powerful sedation shit, and i gotta use em on scum that haz infiltratez teh town.

There paraphrased

If your PM says to use your ability on scum, why this:

At first I thought this was a protection (aka I make the person not dead-but limbod) but apparently limbo is worse than death in this game... makes sense flavor wise I guess.

?

@manho - what about this?

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I actually find Data's claim credible .. I just don't know if it was a role to help the SK ..

that's why i still can't decide whether fate it scum or not.

unvote, vote: fate

[manho]

vote: bv310

bv is not scum as he was killed twice, once by iecerint and once by scum.

[manho]

I targeted Fate last night, but nothing appears to have happened. I didn't get any information about roleblocking (either now or when I targeted Data).

it seems that the night when i can take someone back from limbo, and the night when there is no night kill are the same. i don't think it is coincident. it should be the nights that we get back to reality from dreams. so i predict that today's lynch will be one with flip. we should be much more careful.

Did you bring one of them back, manho? Which one? Who else was in Limbo?

i bring back tuberkulos. there are AGM and seraphim still in limbo. i'm pretty sure that seraphim is scum, as scum-RC fakeclaimed miles, which seraphim claimed in limbo. RC should be fakeclaiming the role of his scum-buddy. AGM was lynched, but tuberkulos was killed, so i think bringing back tuberkulos should be better.

[manho]

say i can go to limbo night 3, then i'll know it at the start of day 3.

[manho]

i now think fate is town.
iecerint is likely town.
bv is likely town

vote: data

[manho]

^there's a missing name in there and its OOBA.

Like I said yeah Data needs to die, but if today is the day we get FLIPS we need a non-third party flip.

i have an early town read on ooba, so idk.

unvote, vote: BC

, if you think a non-third party flip is better.

[manho]

BC is today's lynch.

[manho]

So when has mafia always been only about building cases.

when i flip town you will be the only obvious lynch for tomorrow.

data is the lynch for tomorrow.

[manho]

manho, why do you want to lynch BC over Fate? Not to mention Data. I asked you at the top of page 12 and I don't think you ever answered, though Fate did.

Ooba, talk to me.

i don't think fate is scum. and data is the confirmed third-party, but we need a town/scum flip today. so BC is today's lynch.

[manho]

unvote, vote: fate

iecerint can hammer it.