Mini 1041: Wheel of Fortune Mafia (Game over!)

[curiouskarmadog]

No votes huh?

And, slap my ass and call me charlie..oman, here???????? Been ages.

vote Oman

, you the man.

[curiouskarmadog]

Hey people!

I'm going to softclaim my role. Yeah, in my first post. I did not get the Vanilla Townie role PM. I got something else which IMHO is... well quite frankly, useless. And I mean really useless. Not even like a weak doctor, who can at least confirm who is town-aligned if he hits a townie. Not quite so like a CPR doctor who can at least act like a vigilante when he protects who isn't targeted for a night kill.

In addition, there is a subtle hinting here about the possibility of a mason-like partner. Strange or what?

I might also make a reference to Scooby-Doo: I like that van.

Seriously, I have no clue what you just said here or if you are saying what I think you are saying, why you decided to say it.

[curiouskarmadog]

Ahhhhhhhh...I dont understand if they are what they said they are, they had to come out...i assume it has something to do with their role, but still it makes me uneasy. they sounds more like neighbors than they do masons...but the fact the "had" to come out for some reason, (shrug)...I cant see two scum buddies pulling this together. Seems stupid if that is the case.

unvote, vote ME=Weird

....more posting please.

[curiouskarmadog]

It's mod-confirmed that Charlie and I are both town.

May I leave it that?

More to the point, I have issue with this.

when you say mod confirmed...is it something that you ask him or was it in your PM?

[curiouskarmadog]

It's mod-confirmed that Charlie and I are both town.

May I leave it that?

More to the point, I have issue with this.

when you say mod confirmed...is it something that you ask him or was it in your PM?

I was able to figure it out from my role PM, thank you very much.

just so that i understand COMPLETELY and am not assuming anything.

1.) was it CLEAR that both of you are town (not were you able to figure it out)?

2.) Did it say that both of you were "Town", "Pro Town", "Townie" (like the sample pm) or something like that but not specificly that.

both of these questions need to be answered without sarcasm (I dont want to hear later "that was what I meant")

[curiouskarmadog]

Seems like the role of you guys wasn't completely useless after all, contrarily to behaviour of you two at the beginning.

I agree with this statement, having two players that can confirm the other in a 12 person game is HUGE.....and definitely not useless.

[curiouskarmadog]

you can answer everyone's questions which is essentially what I am asking here....but I want my questions answered directly...none of that "I covered it when i answered X"

1.) was it CLEAR that both of you are town (not were you able to figure it out)?

2.) Did it say that both of you were "Town", "Pro Town", "Townie" (like the sample pm) or something like that but not specificly that.

both of these questions need to be answered without sarcasm (I dont want to hear later "that was what I meant")

[curiouskarmadog]

1.) was it CLEAR that both of you are town (not were you able to figure it out)?

2.) Did it say that both of you were "Town", "Pro Town", "Townie" (like the sample pm) or something like that but not specificly that.

Uh, the way you word these questions...interesting.
1) Yes.
2) Yes.

no no, charlie...number 2 wasnt a yes or no....which was it, town, pro town, townie (like the sample pm, or something like those but not those...

a "yes" will not answer this question.

[curiouskarmadog]

also, please state exactly what was "interesting" about my questions.

[curiouskarmadog]

BOTH CHARLIE AND FAKE GOD HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION. Instead of answering the question, I am a prime suspect? But not prime enough to vote...bullshit! Also "protown dont ask closed ended questions" is another heaping pile of bullshit.

ANSWER IT NOW.

which of the following did it say....

are you

TOWN
TOWNIE
PRO-TOWN
OR SOMETHING ELSE (I dont need to hear the something else, just that it was something else)

THERE IS NO REASON FOR EITHER OF YOU TO AVOID THIS QUESTION!

I am not asking anything about your fucking role, just your alignment...

[curiouskarmadog]

please direct me to the post that you answered this question

ANSWER IT NOW.

which of the following did it say....

are you

TOWN
TOWNIE
PRO-TOWN
OR SOMETHING ELSE (I dont need to hear the something else, just that it was something else)

THERE IS NO REASON FOR EITHER OF YOU TO AVOID THIS QUESTION!

I am not asking anything about your fucking role, just your alignment...

I think you dont want to answer the question, because you dont know what the correct answer is..I HAVE A REASON I AM ASKING...do not avoid again.

[curiouskarmadog]

@everyone else, not sure why no one is commenting on the fact that neither Charlie nor fakegod will comment on their alignment, it is an easy question....I am not asking anything about their role or mechanics...just their fucking alignment name...

they want us to believe that they can confirm each other, but neither can tell us what the PM says the other is..

now which is it guys,

are you two,

TOWN
TOWNIE (like the sample PM)
PRO-TOWN
OR SOMETHING ELSE?

which is it?

[curiouskarmadog]

@everyone else, not sure why no one is commenting on the fact that neither Charlie nor fakegod will comment on their alignment, it is an easy question....I am not asking anything about their role or mechanics...just their fucking alignment name...

they want us to believe that they can confirm each other, but neither can tell us what the PM says the other is..

now which is it guys,

are you two,

TOWN
TOWNIE (like the sample PM)
PRO-TOWN
OR SOMETHING ELSE?

which is it?

They don't exactly need to answer anymore because it's practically cleared up. Read and the answer shall be given to you.

if the question has been answered, then I am obviously missing it...please direct me to the quote.

[curiouskarmadog]

it is a simple question, if they are town and are confirming each other...I need to know the answer to it. I HAVE FUCKING REASON FOR ASKING THE QUESTION...NOW ANSWER IT...quit stalling, deflecting, avoiding, ignoring....if you are really town, it is a simple question to answer and there is no reason (not one but both) to keep avoiding it...

now which is it guys,

are you two,

TOWN
TOWNIE (like the sample PM)
PRO-TOWN
OR SOMETHING ELSE?

which is it?

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[curiouskarmadog]

Hhey, ckd?
Quit repeating the same thing over and over again?
It's getting annoying and clogging the thread. I'm to the point where I just want to lynch you so you'll shut up. The answer should be obvious by now.
I feel like you're trying to keep us on this topic to keep us from scumhunting.

noted, then do it, or back off, you cant bully me.

[curiouskarmadog]

LOL, if it is so little, then why not answer the question?

I think you are fake claiming, i have STRONG reason to believe you are lying...sooo...

MOD:

Is using 1-2 words (in this example, I want the words "town, townie, pro-town, or whatever else") in violation of this rule:

10. Do not quote or pretend to quote any private communication, either from me or from anyone else you are allowed to talk with at night. This includes your role PM. You are allowed to paraphrase, but you are not allowed to plagiarize. If in doubt as to your paraphrase's legality, PM me with the wording you want to use.

you can keep hiding, but I am not going to drop this.

[curiouskarmadog]

Guys, could you stop asking/speculating about me and Charlie? I can guarantee right now that both of us are town.

it had to have said something for you to GUARANTEE that you guys are town....none of the above is not really an answer...are you going with "something, but not town, townie, or pro-town"

I will take a yes or no on this answer.

[curiouskarmadog]

explicitly?

I said this
\
are you two,

TOWN
TOWNIE (like the sample PM)
PRO-TOWN
OR SOMETHING ELSE?

None of the above is not a chose.

[curiouskarmadog]

please dont act like I didnt ask the question 5 fucking times.

also, chose = choice.

it had to have said something for you to GUARANTEE..

[curiouskarmadog]

also, i am not coming out of no where with this question...there are reasons I am asking.

[curiouskarmadog]

no...what I am asking is exactly what I am asking you....

I am not sure why this is so hard to answer...

I will cop and paste yet again.

did it say that you two are..

TOWN
TOWNIE (like the sample PM)
PRO-TOWN
OR SOMETHING ELSE?

you already said it didnt say the first 3...which is fine, but you DID say none of the above....if it didnt say "something else" then how can you guarantee...I am not asking you for what EXACTLY the "something else" said, I just want a confirmation that it indeed said "something else"....

when you said "none of the above"..it makes me think that it is not confirmed and you are just assuming it.

so again...what is the answer.

[curiouskarmadog]

thank you, jesus christ.

that was much bigger than it had to be.

I have no reason to disbelieve the claim now, though I am still wary of it, but the above answer was exactly what I was looking for...

[curiouskarmadog]

when i say above I mean, post 147

[curiouskarmadog]

I misunderstood it...given that one of the options in the "nothing of that sort" was "something else"....I needed to be very sure and I didnt want to assume you said anything you didnt..that sort of shit bites you n the ass later.

[curiouskarmadog]

(shrug)...what are you going to do...I did say it...said it several times...I actually kept copying and pasting the original question over and over again..

at any rate, I felt like you guys were dodging me, because i had caught you in a possible fake claim...wasnt the case, but thought I was barking up the wrong tree...I still dont 100% believe the claim, but you answered the question correctly, so I am fine for now.

[curiouskarmadog]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2490919
p113 He expresses the knowledge that Xite is town.

That is what, im referring to.

no he doesnt...he says "when and IF"...what part of that is knowledge?

[curiouskarmadog]

@xite, charlie, says when and if you flip town, ie it reads as if he knows you are town.

vote Pieman

pushing a bad wagon, the dude says "IF"...meaning uncertianity in the alignment....you are not scum hunting but pushing crap to see who will buy it....

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, why is not WHEN you are killed, IF you flip scum....

funny how you flip the words in order as you need.

bullshit.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, why am I getting a vote?

Er, close enough, Xite91. I must say your actions are really unhelpful to town i.e. anti-town BUT If and when you flip town I nominate you as VI.

but Pie wants to say he is saying this.

If you are killed, and when you flip town

.

I am calling him out on this with

lol, why is not WHEN you are killed, IF you flip scum....

funny how you flip the words in order as you need.

bullshit.

why is that scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

your statement makes no since....

pie was the one you was attacking charlie for the "if and when"..I am attacking pie for his scummy manuver of the words.

and was that anywhere close to what I was asking fakegod and charlie?...what case did I push against them?

[curiouskarmadog]

hey xite, quit role fishing...I have my reasons for asking what I asked.

once he(they) answered my question, I dropped it....I never once pushed a case against them (though I was about ready to I think, I felt they were dodging me)

also, Please please please, provide to me the quote where I twisted ANYTHING?!?! What I find really "funny" is you are voting me for twisting words (when i did the exact opposite) and avoiding the Pie wagon (when he ACTUALLY DID TWIST WORDS).

I say if Pie flips scum, his buddy is Xite.

....

actually the more I think (and reread this is preview)...you are probably scum either way....you are going out of your way to avoid (and make sure everyone knows you are avoiding) the pie wagon. You are voting for reasoning that does not make sense. You are actually down right misrepresenting me or just simply lying. You attack me while I was trying to scum hunting (when I was questioning charilie and fakegod)....AND you are role fishing.

unvote, vote Xite

I will still vote Pie if needed...but I think pressure should be applied here.

[curiouskarmadog]

you mean this "case"? there isnt a case here?

so you want me to go back through each of my posts, to see what you are commenting on?....

I have answered some of the questions though..like i am not going to provide my reasoning for pursuing questions against fakegod/charlie...I have my reasoning, and I am noting that you are trying to role fish..you will have to kill me tonight, if you want to find out my role, and I have a feeling you are dying to.

if you want me to answer individual questions, please provide the actual quote with the question so everyone can see what you are quoting (and what I am answering) without having to go back to ISO me...I mean, if you really feel that strong about a point, you should have already done that. if there is a case here, it is half ass.

Also I request once you quote whatever it is your what me to answer...you also provide 2-3 points to sum up your case...again this shouldnt be an issue if you really want people to believe you think i am scum.

personally, i think you are trying to throw shit against the wall to see if it sticks, try harder scum bag.

your statement makes no since....

pie was the one you was attacking charlie for the "if and when"..I am attacking pie for his scummy manuver of the words.

and was that anywhere close to what I was asking fakegod and charlie?...what case did I push against them?

sorry I'm half asleep and sick, let me see if I can make sense of what I'm trying to say for you;
here, I'll just do an ISO case on you, k?

1) What did you think he was saying? Or is this just a way to look town?
4) 1 and 2 are the same question worded 2 different ways
6) starting a count of how many times you ask, so this is for all intents and purposes the 2nd time
7) 3
9) 4
10) 5
11) 6 - and you're encouraging tunneling
13) 7
14) guess what? I voted you. And I'm prolly gonna get you lynched. Can I bully you now?
15) not exactly 8, but still not dropping it
16) I'll consider this and 15 = to one, so 8
17) 9
18) actually, it was 9
19) So what were those reasons? You never told me what they were
20) 10
21) Then you just dropped it??? What the hell?
23) Wow, so you had to ask the question 10 times??
24) correctly?
25) In a way, he did show that he thought I was town, but he did give some uncertainty, this did not warrant more than this one post against it
26) There is not wagon, and I could say you're doing the same thing.
27) This whole post is scummy, for what should be those weird reasons that you can see scum writing it but don't know exactly where the scummy is.
28) Because you are twisting what he's saying quite a bit. Also, you're attacking the popular wagon for shit reasons. Therefore, you are scum, or at least very scummy.
29) Is that better for ya?

[curiouskarmadog]

hoping to update in the next 48...

[curiouskarmadog]

posting in all (3) games...tonight or tomorrow morning for updates (so it wasnt 48 hours, it was 72)

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, got more time, 2nd game to update, typing as I am (re)reading…starting from page 9,
sorry if it turns into a wall of words.

I dont want to make a quote pyramid here, but I dont think there is anyway to address the "points"...actually I will bold my reponse and hope the tags dont get fucked up.

1) you mean this "case"? there isnt a case here?

2) so you want me to go back through each of my posts, to see what you are commenting on?....

3) I have answered some of the questions though..like i am not going to provide my reasoning for pursuing questions against fakegod/charlie...I have my reasoning, and I am noting that you are trying to role fish..you will have to kill me tonight, if you want to find out my role, and I have a feeling you are dying to.

4) if you want me to answer individual questions, please provide the actual quote with the question so everyone can see what you are quoting (and what I am answering) without having to go back to ISO me...I mean, if you really feel that strong about a point, you should have already done that. if there is a case here, it is half ass.

5) Also I request once you quote whatever it is your what me to answer...you also provide 2-3 points to sum up your case...again this shouldnt be an issue if you really want people to believe you think i am scum.

6) personally, i think you are trying to throw shit against the wall to see if it sticks, try harder scum bag.

1) Of course it isn't. Or you're too lazy to actually defend against yourself and therefore just want to discredit me.

Wait what? There is nothing to defend myself to..there is NO CASE!..you havent put anything forward.

2) I do that in pretty much all of my games. You're supposed to read the case next to your ISO, I mean, hey, I made it next to your ISO, can't you stop being lazy and do the same? Also, I made it easy on you and added the ISO numbers so that you DON'T have to go searching for each question.

My point is this, if you want other's to believe that you really think I am scum, you would have posted the actual quotes you think are scummy. this is my I dont believe you think i am really scum. who is going to go back and forth/back and forth to read quotes??? It is bullshit..I started to go back and reread what you were commenting on, but all you did was state opinion on an ISO read....it is not a case

3) Again, I did not know it was role-fishing until I asked, which you then called out as role-fishing, which frankly is bullshit. At this point, I would like to know what role-based info you got when this was a DAY start, that is why I told you to claim, because you lying through your teeth. And again, I saw your "breadcrumb" and if that's what you were IF I were scum, I would not kill you, ESPECIALLY if you claimed it because town would have no problem killing you if you didn't get NK'd. None of your "role-fishing" accusation makes sense, therefore CLAIM NOW. because I'm tired of playing this game with you.

When you asked someone something about thier role REPEATEDLY..it is fucking fole fishing. I will not be claiming, so dont try to bully me scum bag....LOL, you better kill me tonight Xite...

4) If you really plan to defend yourself, you can just go back and read yourself in ISO

this is a ridiculous statement...."your scummy, why? just read your ISO"

5) Same request again, read 4. Also, all my points are there and it's really a small case compared to what I normally do, and no one asks for a tl;dr version, especially not the person the case is against because guess what? They actually care to defend themselves.

ok, next quote, going to quote "4" to see what the case points are.

Also, I'd like to point out that the only times I've ever seen someone not care enough to defend themselves to a PbP (With exactly 1 exception, and they seriously did not give two shits about the game and were only there to mess with the other players... worse than a VI) is when they're scum and the points made against them were good ones.

Again, i take defend anything if there isnt a case.

6) I lol'd
Are you going to actually defend yourself yet? Or just try more to discredit me?

I went back to look at the “case”…there isn’t one…I mean really…what “4” are you talking about. I ask you to provide a couple bullet points to explain why I am scum, and you cant even do that….please put together a case…I obviously don’t see one, so just do it…2-3 (or more if you got it) points, add some quotes to go with it…why are you scared to do this?

It's what he does?

Unvote

Yeah, I said that, are you reading?
Explains why you didn't comment on my CKD case

fuck me in the eye, no one is commenting on your case because you havent put one the fuck out there.

First, that wasn't the only point to my case, and I've NEVER seen someone in a game (if you have then show me) repeat the same EXACT thing that many times in order to get an answer. Also, he said he had reasons. When I asked him, he accused me of role-fishing when he hinted nothing at a role before hand. This is a common scum trap.

Really? how many times have you asked me to defend a case that isnt there?

I do have my reasons, if I didnt state those reason it is probably role related...you keep asking anyway, and I keep saying you are rolefishing, at that point it is obviously role related..but you keep at it..I am not going to tell you, scum bag…

Just a few initial thoughts-

CKD-

I'm a trifle lost; I would appreciate you giving your reasons for your TOWN/TOWNIE/PRO-TOWN/OTHER question (quote another post of yours if you answered this already). Were you skeptical at the time?

I have my reasons, I was skeptical yes. I obviously have a PM that states something…when they said they could confirm each other as “town”, I wanted to know the exact wording…for example the sample PM said “townie”…which was different than “town”….however, the correct answer, is not any of the first three (again, have my reason)…they correctly answered the question “something the like, but not those”. If they would have said any of the first three…They would have gotten a vote from me…

XITE-

Oman... uh... breadcrumb or random noise?

What is the point of this question?

Because the scum bag keeps rolefishing.

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Xite, just post the case...points and why you think they are scummy, backed by quotes. If the whole case is "you asked the same question over and over again"..that is not a case..I have my fucking reasons for doing so...I didnt feel they answered the question...when they finally did (or I finally realized they did from Charlie)...I backed off, because i got the answer I was looking for...

[curiouskarmadog]

sweet....

[curiouskarmadog]

i didnt mind the heat you gave me...thought it would have kept me in the game longer...it didnt.

sorry I helped lynched you...