Mini 1036 - DEFCON Mafia - Over

[SpyreX]

/confirm.

Here's the best plan (we wont do it because too awesome):

1.) Accept I am awesome and town.
2.) I get the anti-nuke device.
3.) Everyone else launches down the line.
4.) Profit.

That wont happen so what I am planning is SECRETS.

[SpyreX]

ITT: SpyreX is a smelly terrorist.

ITT: Hater's gotta hate.

YOU KNOW I AM RIGHT AND THAT WOULD HAVE WON

However, we all know its not gonna happen so I already sent in my choices

[SpyreX]

The one nitpicky detail of haters gotta hate and not TRUST IN MY POWER?

Yea. The submarine -could- have screwed with it some too on retrospect.

[SpyreX]

As a result, to confirm the validity of saying "I got option #6, this must mean option #1-5 were taken by other players".

This -probably- is a REALLY bad idea early game.

[SpyreX]

Actually I have one important mechanic question that my tired eyes refuse to fix:

@Mod: does the defcon level reset at the start of a day?

(No, the DEFCON level will continue to decrease numerically until it reaches DEFCON 1. The game will then remain in DEFCON 1 until a win condition is achieved. --AGM)

[SpyreX]

I had my picks in pretty fast.

MY IDEA STILL WOULD HAVE WORKED PROBABLY THOUGH

[SpyreX]

Ahhh, the joys of information on the first page of the real game.

I do not have the submarine.

Vote: Zito

Why am I a terrorist?

[SpyreX]

SpyreX you're a terrorist both because you're a giant killer squid thing AND because your plan would kill everyone which hey guess what is kinda the terrorist wincon.

I just caught this.

Seriously man?

Yes, that would make me and thus my faction win.

That's not the terrorist wincon. That's all the wincons.

Silly

[SpyreX]

Percy, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

Unvote, Vote: Els

[SpyreX]

sociopath is for nuking, not voting. TIA

[SpyreX]

Moreso than SpyreX? Are you sure you didn't just want to vote for Hindu because...someone else already had?

Yea. He's flailing like a scum going down. Seriously, Percy had the right of it and no need for SERIOUS BUSINESS.

There's more than a few nuggets to come out of that chicken too come tomorrow. It's great.

MURDER DEATH SPREE

[SpyreX]

OHH SNAP META.

I'll let you go ahead and get lynched for that statement without sullying my hands on the filthy meta.

That was a swing and a miss, though.

[SpyreX]

The chickens grow larger. Their nuggets will feed us all.

This is bordering on one of those IF THIS IS SCUM lynches this game is gonna be cruise control for cool.

[SpyreX]

I thought it went to 1 after a lynch?

Well, hells bells thats even more extra awesome and lets get this through. Red's post is that creamy sauce.

[SpyreX]

Damnit andrius.

No, that's not a . For a myriad of reasons.

Answer that question all proper like.

[SpyreX]

One more try Andrius.

Or this is gonna make some sads.

[SpyreX]

Ok, follow me with this:

Vote: Andrius

Andrius has 1.) voted for Enigma and 2.) claimed role related information off an active ability.

Fighter: The fast and lightweight fighter is easily able to penetrate enemy territory, making it the perfect craft for reconnaissance {I will reveal to you whether target player has deployed a missile silo, offensive troops, or defensive troops}.

Espionage: Knowing is half the battle, and when a nation needs to know, it relies on its clandestine organizations like the CIA, MI6, or the KGB to get the job done. {Choose a faction you are not aligned with. I will reveal to you whether target player is aligned with that faction or not.}

Special Ops Strike: In order to carry out a successful nuclear strike, it is crucial to ensure the missile will not be deflected and the enemy left unscathed and free to retaliate. Special infiltration teams are secretly positioned in every enemy nation, read to make sure this happens when the brass gives the word. {If target player is currently deploying a missile silo in anti-ballistic missile mode, destroy it. If that player is not, I will reveal to them that you targeted them with this ability.}

Aircraft Carrier: The monstrous aircraft carrier is capable of parking itself just outside territorial waters, allowing it to shoot down enemy troops or ICBMs before they leave enemy territory and become a threat to the globe. {Choose one: All abilities activated by target player fail; OR during the following day, prevent all nuclear launches made by target player.}

Battleship: Mobile, hidden in the wide open sea away from population centers, capable of withstanding even the most directed air strikes, and armed with an array of incredibly powerful weapons, a battleship is one of the safer places on the planet {If a player would be eliminated because of a single non-nuclear activated ability, that player survives instead}.

Radar: The night may be dark, but your radar screen is neon green. And it’s hard to miss stuff flashing in neon green. {I will inform you of who target player targets, if anyone. Note: The Stealth Bomber is a shared activated ability and cannot be detected.}

Fighter wouldn't give "role related" information leading to scum. (I can see AN argument for this but we'll see how it plays out).

Espionage would give said information. We'll get to this in a minute.

Special ops strike sure as hell wouldn't.

Aircraft carrier would be under the guise of "I blocked your business yo".

Battleship is dead.

Radar would be "he targeted X thus Y" but we've seen no kills and any other business doesn't make sense.

So, what we're left with is: Andrius claimed cop with a guilty.

Which, is a double plus awesome because 1.) he didn't just claim it (which would be bad BUT) and 2.) he backed away from any claim at all in his next post.

Add to that more than a liberal dash of ignoring this game after I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT HE NEEDED TO CLARIFY and you get a pretty solid case of:

1.) The scum did NOT get Espionage. This is a 1/1 trying to draw a cop out AND/OR get a mislynch today.

However, no. This happens.

[SpyreX]

Mr softclaimer claim FOR REAL and explain IN DETAIL how you have role related information which NOW you're saying is that Enigma lied about what he picked.

[SpyreX]

You are making me wroth.

Softclaiming and then being all coy is not tech.

[SpyreX]

You've claimed something. Something that doesn't add up and sure wont until you finish what you started.

[SpyreX]

If it makes it to the next page and you're still playing coy I am not going to be amused.

[SpyreX]

Aaaandd Andrius is the latest post in multiple forums.

Unvote, Vote: Andrius

[SpyreX]

The part where you've been playing peek a boo over and over and not laying it out.

The part where "getting up to speed" STILL gets a rapid response.

The part where I misvote:

Unvote, Vote: Calicfornron

[SpyreX]

All those words are still not answering the question presented.

[SpyreX]

Nah I'm good. That softclaim is garbage and you're not getting away with it.

If we've gotta do this the old fashioned way where you get up a rope I'm pretty sure it can happen that way.

Your call.

[SpyreX]

HURF DURF CHUCKEHEAD

Radar != you being scum. If that's the case then go ahead and LET HIM SAY IT and explain how "ohh he has an active action" is "I have sweet ass role related information"

Good lord

[SpyreX]

AND GOOD LORD YES I SAID FULL CLAIM SAYING YOU MAY HAVE TO FULL CLAIM TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF AND WONDERING IF I AM OK WITH THAT IS BEING OBTUSE TO THE POINT OF FFSdfFSfkdnfJ####

:explode:

[SpyreX]

I'm TRYING here.

It should be pretty clear I'm not letting this drop.

So if I'm gonna go bigger picture I need some help. The easy way doesn't work so use the MYSTIC POWER OF ROPOS to get him to do what has to be done.

[SpyreX]

Also, Spyre seems WAY too concerned about Andrius's role rather than scumhunting.

HURF HURF

[SpyreX]

I'm not dropping it because its garbage.

That post is about as fake as fake can get. Seriously now.

[SpyreX]

If that message is 100% legit I probably would quit mafia forever just saying.

Doubly true considering how often scum actively yell at each other AND reference each other by name in a game with eavesdropping known to be in play.

Although I'm not thrilled with Zhero's response that doesn't change the simple fact that STILL Andrius's little manuver needs to be explained. If its what Enigma is saying he NEEDS, HIMSELF, to admit it and we go from there.

Regardless, hypothetically, if we suck so hard it gets to D1 before there's a lynch and I, in fact, have a nuke the second I can launch it I am blowing Andrius up.

Just saying. One way or another this is getting resolved.

[SpyreX]

Would I mess with that?

Go ahead and stall this more its tech.

I'll be waiting for the however whatever you say = role related information that Engima is scum (since the possibilities are narrowed to where that sure doesn't make sense or you've lied, your choice).

[SpyreX]

Lying. About. Role. Information. Is. Not. Anti. Town.

It. Is. Scummy.

What explanation? You've been playing teehee and doing anything and everything BUT answering my question.

[SpyreX]

And you've said you're not the cop and no one is dead so WHERE is this fabulous jump to information == scum.

It doesn't exist.

[SpyreX]

....

What?

WHAT?

That doesn't even PRETEND to make sense.

So, you've got Radar and you saw Enigma do nothing on a night with no kills and that means ??

[SpyreX]

Yea I sure did because WATCHING SOMEONE DIE OR BEING THE COP are the pieces of information that = scum.

[SpyreX]

I ended up home way late.

I STILL 100% absolutely want this cleared up. Pro tip: You can't call it rolefishing if you're the one to cast the line.

[SpyreX]

Gamble hard on me not having a nuke then. Your call.

I'm really not stoked with Percy coming in with the "ohhh he's rolefishing" but if we want to dance this dance we can. You KNOW I'm not going to stop until its all laid out and, at this point, its going to take a miracle for me to be convinced of anything aside from some kind of teehee business.

[SpyreX]

Yeah, I can see what SPyreX is on about here. It's awful bizzare but I really don't think it's any indication that calcifier is scum. Spyre what do you think Andyscum gains by coming out with that sort of information when it was clearly not incriminating at this point? If he knows Enigma's got an active power/power role why bother outing it as scum? That's why I think his motivations don't make sense as scum.

What does "I have role related information" gain a scum at this point?

A shot at an easy mislynch with a side of getting the actual role to come out.

And then you have this stuff:

Well that settles it! F-off Spy!

Quite frankly, I seriously think that Spy never gets the attention he requires in ANY game he's in. He always tunnels like a motherfucker(null, meta on him) but I now find this stupid tunnel to be a blatant rolefish(quite similarly, he's acting like this in [REDACTED] and I think he's scum there too but I'll stop there because pleasedontmodkillme).

I mean, Picture this! You are scum, and you can harrass a Townie into giving out role-related information AND easily get away with it. What do you do? You do exactly as Spy is doing.

I won't let you get away with this. NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

Vote: SpyreX

I harassed him to give out role related information?

That's the spin you're trying to give.

I want this nice and clear.

Because, in the actual world, YOU went "I've got role related information" and I went ohh hell no and it went from there. And, with multiple opportunities to rectify this garbage you've instead opted to over and over stall it out. Which, in fact, gets it closer and closer to defcon 1 which *gasp* the scum are waiting for with baited breath.

Every step of the way this has been like pulling teeth and I absolutely don't understand it. The doc opts to not claim and dies. You go "I'm A ROLE!" but not what role then go "I'm RADAR but not what actually happened." Then, chucklehead responds with "You're AFRAID of my POWERS" which makes even less sense.

This is pants on head in a normal game. In a game where there is

no correlation of ability and alignment

it is absolutely baffling.

Even MORE awesome is the simple fact that we've got a large chunk of this game on cruise control now because I'm not about to give this up until you fess up. This vote was a fantastic move that's going to have excellent ramifications for you I promise.

So, on that offchance you're town and this was done to PROTECT THE SECRETS which is tech and all don't even begin to get all /feelings at the fact I called you out on this junk play that could have been EASILY rectified.

[SpyreX]

Ohh doom that's some bad news there and if other things weren't going on I'd be hitting you with a hammer.

On the flipside Hindi looks good.

BUT, back to the fray:

Spy: OKAY CALCIFER FESS UP!
Calc: NOO!!
Spy: FUCK YOUU WITH A GODAMN NUKE.

Every. Time.

I will do this every time. EVERY TIME. BECAUSE WHAT YOU DID IS BRAIN MELTING AND TRYING TO SPIN IT AS OHH SNAP I'M CATCHING THE ROLEFISHER WHO HAS THE FISH JUMP ON SHORE THE SINNER IS GARBAGE.

But, at least you got right to the crux:

It was NOT a lie. I DID get information. Enigma DID visit someone(That much has been out anyway).

Andy just misinterpreted it.

SEE THOSE BOLDED WORDS

THEM

THOSE ARE WHAT I WANT EXPLAINED. HOW IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS GOOD DO YOU TAKE ANYTHING FROM WHAT YOU HAVE SAID HAPPENED AND GET SCUMS BE HERE.

THAT IS THE ISSUE

THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CRUX

NO IT CAN NOT BE RESOLVED UNLESS YOU COME CLEAN

THIS IS NOT HARD

YOU DID THIS. NOT ME.

REMEMBER THIS.

[SpyreX]

I have role related information is not breadcrumbing.

I have role related information accompanied by a vote is not a gut call.

If this was a screwup simply acknowledging it and coming clean is a much better move.

As it sits we're going to reach defcon 1 before another lynch. That, 100%, is not my fault.

[SpyreX]

Wait, what?

I thought you were making some reference to the in game flavor.

This is from PM flavor?

You make me so angry I can't see straight.

But, that's just pants on head enough I can buy it with how this went.

Now I need to reread this debacle.

FOR THE RECORD HOWEVER I DO NOT FEEL THE SLIGHTEST BIT BAD ABOUT THIS AND LOL META MAKES ME WROTH ENOUGH FOR A SPITE LYNCH.

But, no.

[SpyreX]

Why in the name of all that is holy does that equal you voting for percy.

Lets not play this game again please god please.

[SpyreX]

Ohh god the coy flu is spreading.

If I get to do this AGAIN I will explode.

[SpyreX]

NO. Not /popcorn.

God in heaven this teehee business is driving me nuts.

Voting for percy after targetting him IS THE SAME THING WE JUST WENT THROUGH. If its a damn investigation say so. If not DONT DO WHAT JOHNNY DONT DOES.

[SpyreX]

Hindu while I dig RC not a tech vote.

AS IT SITS WE GET TO PLAY ENIGMA DANCE NOW

[SpyreX]

Likely to be incriminating?

JESUS H.

Why has everyone lost their mind this game.

right now me thinks its Percy/Zhero/Spyre scumteam and Socio SK

Ohh I'll bite in this pure awesome: Why is Socio an SK and not scum?

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Doombunny

Percy you are a genius.

My only hesitation is that is more effort and daytalking than I've ever seen. Ever.

Did you have anything to do with the one message that got sent daytime?

[SpyreX]

I much prefer Doom to Enigma for today. I've got reasons that will become apparent IF I'm right.

[SpyreX]

Good gravy I'm really confused now:

THIS IS ME TESTING THE CYPHER TO SEE IF

YOU FOUR

CAN PROPERLY DECRYPT IT

That makes no sense.

As in the "even with a generous counting ones self it would be "you three" and thats wrong and it should be "you two"" style.

I.E. I don't know if I can dig the idiot savant scumteam that's going to go to all this effort to set up cyphers late enough in the process that they can get caught but not have the basic grammatics down.

I'm not sold on Percy being scum, but it doesn't make sense.

Fff

[SpyreX]

I've thought long, long and hard about this.

And I hate myself for even doing it:

Vote: Percy

This is how it's going in my head:

If Percy is scum:

1.) Chances are high he's the sub - that'd be the

only

role in that mix that would be worth these shenanigans. Nipping that in the bud is very nice.

If Percy is town:

1.) Knowing (while with a pretty freakin giant grain of salt) that these are actually whats going on in scumland gives a lot of information that is way awesome.

My conundrum is I like everything about Percy's play. However, I dislike everything about this claim. The idiot savant messages, the threefer received minutes apart all of it. It just smells wrong.

So, I'm down with this honestly expecting a town flip but knowing it needs to happen.

[SpyreX]

I don't like this plan. Today's lynch is an important one. Worst case scenario, we lynch town today, two towns get bomber'd overnight, a town gets sub'd the next morning, and we're at 3:3:1, with town no longer in control of the lynch. Crosskills are possible but I'd rather not depend on them.

And they better hit nukers because if not they get lit up.

This is a power-heavy setup and definitely winnable at 3:3:1.

As it sits Percy will not be NK'd ever and I think that even a town flip is more than solid.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX is voting me because I might have the sub. Leave alone how dumb it would be for me to claim Eavesdrop when I don't have it, but apart from that, there is no upside to lynching me. I know I'm town and I'm still consumed with WIFOM whenever I read what I've been given.

Knowing that the scum said those things won't help.

If you're going to vote me on the limp-wristed strength of Enigma's result, then you're not thinking straight, especially if you think my (inevitable) townflip will help you at all.

Uhhh.

On top of the fact you picked the oddest direction in which to make the bolded (one would assume that, as town, you'd say "knowing that I'm town and said those things won't help.") this belies the other much larger issue:

You're absolutely wrong.

A flip from you either way says a LOT about what is going on.

But, it looks like the chucklehead express took off to f--town so if the morrow finds me dead I want this real clear:

If doombunny is town, tomorrow I want an immediate nuke launched at Percy. Immediately.

If doombunny is actually scum I'll eat my crow on this matter but with so much not adding up and the "I know I'm town guys" AND "This town is a disgrace" actually pulling weight enough to swing the wagon I'm shocked.

And, YES, I will throw this hammer down to meet deadline.

[SpyreX]

Haha, F--- guys.

I'm the cop.

Els is town.
Red is scum.
Nuking Percy, still a good idea.

Unvote, Vote: Red

IF YOU EVEN PRETEND TO MAKE ME EXPLAIN MY BEING THE COP I WILL KILL YOU THANKS IN ADVANCE

[SpyreX]

And, super hint: Posting without voting is a bad, bad idea.

(P.S. NUKES GO THERE)

[SpyreX]

Ok, I got my E's mixed up.

Enigma is town via D1 (well, not warsaw but with the SK dead)
RC is scum via D2.

[SpyreX]

And seriously the fact you'd ask me like I'd play slappywags ALL OF YESTERDAY with a guilty on RC I can't my brain it hurts.

[SpyreX]

Digging means get those votes up. With nukes abounding and Percy having that sub and all ya know.

[SpyreX]

I want him dead for a myriad of reasons.

I'm not living past today. Give a man his dying wish.

FYI Calcifer is also -probably- town.

[SpyreX]

It doesn't add up. It'd require an idiot savant scum group for that to have went the way it did.

I mean, his "scum" were Els (no), Doom (sk) and RC.

This is after it directly implicated YOU in a cypher as well as droppin names like they aint no thing.

[SpyreX]

AND, if he's town, thats a sweet pot of stew to look at.

[SpyreX]

Actually with the doc dead and the other roles that are out I'm totally for it. We SHOULD put the actions down as well.

Claim: Espionage (N1 Enigma: Warsaw Pact (NO) N2: RedCoyote: Warsaw Pact (YES))

[SpyreX]

The one that is alive if I say something with an E is the one I mean FFFFFFF

Because the IDEA was to do today as fast as possible but nope can't do that. TOO HARD YOU FFSFSSSF

Hindu: SK for all intents and purposes for the "evesdropper" was town. So it was town/town/a buddy who played mellow yellow with it.

[SpyreX]

PRO TIP I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT IN ALL OF YOU AND THE SUB COULD BE NEUTRALIZED

[SpyreX]

Well, if you don't see nukes launched AND RC isn't scum then I can be the most retarded sub ever.

We're almost there. Lets do this

[SpyreX]

If it comes between claim AND lynching RC lets do the latter.

I'd give hi-fives forever if you launch a nuke with that hammer.

[SpyreX]

{On the first day of DEFCON 1, you may launch a nuclear weapon

without revealing yourself as the aggressor

. For the rest of the game, you may launch nuclear weapons as though you possessed a missile silo in nuclear launch mode.}

That sure reads like we'll know of a launch, just not who.

[SpyreX]

but, YES, if we're gonna lollygag lets nuke him and do other things (lynch percy)

[SpyreX]

There is no bluff.

There is definitely not some kinda "I'm town but this is a teehee moment"

You are scum. There is nothing that can screw with my investigation.

Please get er done now. Make them waste the NK on me and not the sub nuke.

[SpyreX]

Enigma I'm going to strangle you.

Why do you think I was all over Andrius claiming a scum result on you?

[SpyreX]

Welp I'm dead today then thats fine.

Hows about we don't dick around TOO much and launch that nuke then at RC

[SpyreX]

THIS IS NOT A GAMBIT ARGGHHH HULK SMASH

[SpyreX]

PS CLAIMS

[SpyreX]

Ohh snap that changes everything doesn't it

No, no it doesn't

[SpyreX]

Ok, if you're confused or have questions go like this:

"Well, huh, the failsafe changes nothing if we just lynch him. Lets go ahead and nuke Percy, get the massclaim done AND lynch RC. At that point it'll be easy money cash dancing parties and we can all give SpyreX hi-fives"

[SpyreX]

I don't think its fired yet (hint: who isn't here yet?)

[SpyreX]

No I'm pretty sure Percy is lying and is the sub.

I guess we could play a game of "did anyone take eavesdropper higher than what they got"

[SpyreX]

I didn't even send it in.

I was Espeonage, Battleship, Aircraft Carrier

[SpyreX]

I could see scum taking it for safety - one of those bait and switches where if a homey has the eavesdrop and he has the sub claiming eavesdrop works since a homey isn't going to counter him.

[SpyreX]

Ahh, but remember and this will happen:

Any missle silo claim NEEDS to be tested.

[SpyreX]

Seriously the others have two choices: I am lying or you are lying (or BUS OMG)

You, ultimately, have one choice: I am lying.

Yet, over and over its "ohh gee gosh SpyreX is soo town but"

And if you've got the juevos to say I'd LIE about that I've got nothin.

Sooo, anywho:

So I'm too lazy to look it up.
Do missile silo people only get one shot overall, or just one per day?

I'm talking the other end. If someone says "I've got nukes yo" the answer is "prove it" because if they were lying then they are the dead as per rules.

[SpyreX]

And, yes, it is readily apparent what you are up to and if you guys are silly enough to let me get another result out under the "ohh look he's scum" well more power to you because I'll take that to the bank.

[SpyreX]

I'm a little surprised that once Percy flipped town that pretty damning piece on Hindu wasn't looked at more.

But, so it goes. Good game!

YEAH SPYREX WHY THE FFFFFF DID YOU TAKE COP OVER NUKE?

MAYBE I misread a little bit and that played a part.

MAYBE I was worried that there'd be all kinds of nukes and not enough pointing here sticks.

MAYBE I wanted it in hands I trusted to do good and useful things.

---

MAYBE the part I'm still most irritated about was the pussyfooting when I tried for a power hammer on RC.