Mini 1041: Wheel of Fortune Mafia (Game over!)

[yabbaguy]

Second, I never random vote. This is how I get discussion started.

Are you saying you expect to find people find you scummy for not random voting?

Also, now that vote tags have a different look, I think we need to agree on whether we use vote tags or bold tags. If one bunch of people uses bold tags and the other uses vote tags, the inconsistency is probably going to be a trifle distracting.

[yabbaguy]

Charlie, do you know who this buddy is? I think they or you are scum, presuming my guess of your softclaim is correct.

[yabbaguy]

Asperger's actually. There's a degree of obsessive qualities related to it, but nah, it ain't OCD. And I just hate the look of Yabbaguy. It just has to be the lowercase y or it looks stupid.

Charlie, you're obviously a Mystery Wedge; your softclaim is too blatantly obvious for an avid WoF and game show fan like me (another Asperger's aspect, seriously, practically all the game show nerds I know have a mental disability of sorts! ). The reason I want you to claim and the reason why I'm fishing at that claim and trying to out your partner is that I think one of you two has to be scum (i.e. you're actually Neighbors, not Masons).

To those who haven't watched Wheel of Fortune recently (rather a long span of time in this instance), there are two Mystery Wedges on the wheel. If a contestant lands on one, it initially counts as a $1000 space if they guess a letter correctly. However, then they have the chance to pick up the wedge and flip it over. One of the two wedges hides a fabulous prize (usually $10,000 nowadays), and the other hides a Bankrupt. I can't see how Bankrupt is anything other than a scum role, while the $10K is pro-Town.

If that's the case, I think Charlie O'Donnell or his partner is scum. It makes perfect sense.

Reckamonic, stop telling me to stop fishing when I'm doing it to hunt scum.

[yabbaguy]

If you don't perceive it as a blatantly obvious dichotomy the way I'm describing it, we probably should jettison this plan unless you've got another idea. It's your role, you tell me.

And everyone caught that O'Donnell crack, yes?

[yabbaguy]

Vote: reckamonic

for baselessly tearing down my strategy.

[yabbaguy]

So we know that one of Charlie and FG is scum.

I don't believe the $10K wedge is super fantabulous, and I don't see why having this dichotomy isn't helpful information.

[yabbaguy]

Mod meta time.

StrangerCoug has, in the past, been completely straightforward with naming his roles. He has given safeclaims to the scum on each occasion, but at the same time, the scum actually have names relevant to the antagonists of the story, such as gas-guzzling machines as scum against infrastructure and signs for Town in Go Play in Traffic! and in Help, My Computer Got Infected!, computer parts were Town and the viruses themselves were scum.

I would figure that Bankrupt/Lose a Turn would be the scum in this case, since the flavor is "getting rid of the things that make contestants lose". I don't see why Coug would be counterintuitive and make the both of those Mystery Wedges Town when one of the wedges on the real show holds a dirty little secret.

[yabbaguy]

I'm going V/LA soon and I'm tired out from all sorts of school preparation I'm doing. I'll try to get on tomorrow.

[yabbaguy]

V/LA over. Rereading was impossible with what little internet access I pilfered from my mom's iPhone, but after doing a plethora of other things, I'll probably have a reread within a couple of days. It's speculative exactly when due to the restart of the school year tomorrow and all the organizing I have to do.

[yabbaguy]

Unvote

Getting ready to reread. I'm just gonna sit down and go once I'm all set with homework.

[yabbaguy]

Just a few initial thoughts-

CKD-

I'm a trifle lost; I would appreciate you giving your reasons for your TOWN/TOWNIE/PRO-TOWN/OTHER question (quote another post of yours if you answered this already). Were you skeptical at the time?

XITE-

Oman... uh... breadcrumb or random noise?

What is the point of this question?

Last, Unvote, Vote Pieman
Not liking him so much yet. Not sure if it's the dumb blonde vibe I'm getting from him (sorry blondes) or if he's just plain scummy, but we'll see as we go along

Terrible and scummy vote. What are "not liking" and "dumb blonde vibe" supposed to mean?

PIE-

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tasky

Wont even state why hes voting.

???

DRAM/RECK-

No. Why should we believe you? I have trouble believing that you guys are more useless than a weak doctor, yet you guys have mod-confirmed alignments to each other. Seriously, WTF!?

Under what circumstances would you lynch claimed Mason-class roles? I don't understand why you're calling this one instance why you would.

I was skimming a bit, and like I said, I still have a wagon to analyze, so I'll inhibit my vote. At first glance, my chips are on Xite. PieMan, I will admit, isn't doing a terribly good job right now (his Tasky vote was rubbish), but the speed of the wagon is something I need to look into. Realizing I can't discern relationship tells, I'm more looking into people who are hopping on for shoddy reasons.

...come to think of it, I quoted a Xite vote on Pie. This could actually be very interesting. And now I'm sleepy and going to bed.

[yabbaguy]

Well, yeah, if you think TWO people are simultaneously lying, the only conclusion to be drawn is that they are both scum. If you believe the reason for lying in this particular instance to be anything else, I'd love to hear it.

[yabbaguy]

Yikes, I forgot this.

Unvote

[yabbaguy]

I feel a pyramid is more readable in this instance:

Just a few initial thoughts-

CKD-

1) I'm a trifle lost; I would appreciate you giving your reasons for your TOWN/TOWNIE/PRO-TOWN/OTHER question (quote another post of yours if you answered this already). Were you skeptical at the time?

XITE-

Oman... uh... breadcrumb or random noise?

2) What is the point of this question?

Last, Unvote, Vote Pieman
Not liking him so much yet. Not sure if it's the dumb blonde vibe I'm getting from him (sorry blondes) or if he's just plain scummy, but we'll see as we go along

3) Terrible and scummy vote. What are "not liking" and "dumb blonde vibe" supposed to mean?

4) ...come to think of it, I quoted a Xite vote on Pie. This could actually be very interesting. And now I'm sleepy and going to bed.

1) Be careful, he'll say you're role-fishing.
2) Asking him the point of his post
3) It was the way he was playing. I didn't like it. I had a friend once that made an alt solely to act like a blondie noob so that people would respond to him differently than they do when they know it's him. His idea was that people would never vote him after a few games because of the way his alt's "playstyle" was.
4) Guess what? I voted him FIRST before ANYONE voted him and before the wagon started, then people started voting for terrible reasons and CKD became my top suspect, and I decided to unvote.

1) ??????
2) That can't possibly be a benign question. You're fishing to ask if he's softclaiming.
3) This I construe to be a policy vote on a VI, and one of the biggest scumtells I can fathom is when someone tries to push a crap case on someone who is merely playing badly. For me, policy voting counts as a bad case.
4) I'm missing the point of why first on a wagon automatically somehow absolves you of responsibility. The latter point is a bit more pertinent and something pro-Town (checking for reckless wagonning) though, I will admit.

why do I feel like that theory box is a blatant lie?

Theory box is obv credible.

Vote: Xite

Huh?

How are you possibly voting him over that?

There were a lot of silly things going on back then... I suppose we'll have to be more careful to try and spot these things to look for evidence of deception.

I don't understand this either.

Basically, I'm very lost right now. Help me out here.

[yabbaguy]

Pieman is a bit of a suspicious person who is slinking through the game without having a vote on someone.
Pieman, please vote.

Vote: Pieman

To be frank, I don't blame you, but at the same time, you're slinking through yourself.

The reason I don't blame him is that the pace of this game is maddening; the noise:content ratio is noise-skewed simply due to the fact that there are massive amounts of walls that just go quote-by-quote in an attempt to somehow pick people apart. Tasky is

REALLY

driving me crazy with

maddening

amounts of font style emphasis

that should not be present

ever

in any game of Mafia.

lol if I make text stand out,

PEOPLE WILL NOTICE IT!

(Point taken?)

I'm still waiting for Reckamonic to explain why they think Charlie/FG masonry claim is a lie, but they haven't had the chance to yet.

@Xite: -you still shouldn't be fishing at the breadcrumbs. Ignore if in doubt.
-How is "Not liking him so much yet. Not sure if it's the dumb blonde vibe I'm getting from him (sorry blondes) or if he's just plain scummy, but we'll see as we go along" not a potential VI policy vote? I mean, it's even fencesitting on which it is, and if so, why are you on the fence, yet voting? It makes no sense.
-Even if I can't call it a wagon, the above rationale for voting him isn't adequate as explained above. I also never said unvoting was scummy.

I don't see any reason to drag this Day out. I'm going to be ticked if anyone was voting without intent to end the Day.

Vote: Xite91

(L-1)

[yabbaguy]

lol. do you know a better way to address specific points in a quote?

If your points are solid, you don't need big font sizes to get the point across.

Notice how that last sentence is supposed to resonate in your mind, and all without fancy fonts.

[yabbaguy]

(iPhone post)

xite now throwing me onto his scumlist is baseless retaliation. Will read the rest of his remarks later.

[yabbaguy]

Insane Doctor =

Mod Note: Actually a Vigilante

, right?

[yabbaguy]

VOTE: yabbaguy

Reasons required. Not requested, required.

(More later.)

[yabbaguy]

Actually, I have the time now. Thought I was headed to an appointment today for whatever reason. >_<

Scum suspects:

Tazaro- for using "skimming textwalls" as a reason to not scumhunt, seeing as even the bare-bones level of skimming isn't present. Votes have also come with consistently crummy reasoning.

Here's how to scumhunt: Wagon on Tasky for scummy unjustified vote!
Vote: Tasky

What vote are you mentioning here? Xite vote was obviously explained, and while the Pie vote wasn't explained

when

he voted, his points after the fact were adequate explanations.

ISO-12 was an unvote, which calls into question how seriously he's actually taking this vote.

why do I feel like that theory box is a blatant lie?

Theory box is obv credible.

Vote: Xite

How is this Town motivated?

Here, Tazaro also baselessly calls Tasky Town. I consider it a scumtell when a player calls another person Town for speculative/unjustified reasoning because it strikes me more as information gleamed from being the informed minority. It's speculative, and I know I've been wrong countless times before, but that's where I'm headed with this.

My thinking is that if it's credible, then a person (Xite) who attacks said credible thing consequently loses town cred.

The thing is, it's not

very, very likely

to be true, just that your opinion perceives a "box" as not only true, but also magically confirms Tasky. It's a poor attack, and while I realize you have the right to change your mind, the fact of the matter is that your best attack was one that was contrived and helped a wagon along. Those two qualities are scum qualities to me.

Pieman is a bit of a suspicious person who is slinking through the game without having a vote on someone.
Pieman, please vote.

Vote: Pieman

Also inaccurate.

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Reckamonic- maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see why A) they went after what were very likely confirmed Mason-class roles and B) they asked for the Mason claim. Willing to change my mind if the strategy can be explained.

Vote: Tazaro

VOTE: yabbaguy

Reasons required. Not requested, required.

(More later.)

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[yabbaguy]

Tazaro, reply to 331 please.

[yabbaguy]

I voted for Tasky BEFORE his points after the fact. What was inaccurate? I voted for Pieman when he wasn't voting, and

he seems to not know what he's doing as much as others

.

I realize that he hadn't given reasons, but surely you realize that such a thing as pressure voting existed. While it's now becoming apparent to me that Tasky is openly willing to swing his vote baselessly, what was your indication that it was somehow scummy to not provide reasons initially? That's the issue I have with that.

The emphasis in the quote is an interesting remark- "not knowing what he's doing" is an asinine reason to vote someone for scumminess.

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Tasky is throttling my mind now, how do people usually put with people who just go "lol, haha, random vote past RVS"?

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Keep in mind that xite's last foses were

CKD

, yabbaguy, and guppy.

If I had to choose between yabba and guppy at this point, I would say guppy.

Vote: Prof. Guppy

I don't understand this.

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Essentially, I'm quite certain Guppy's getting scumwagonned by Tazaro at least, maybe Tasky.

[yabbaguy]

I am very certain right now.

[yabbaguy]

1. in this post, what are you certain about? that Taz is scum or that Guppy is town. in both cases, why are you so certain about it?
2. is voting for a stupid reason scummy? (in particular, is Taz scummy for voting for an "asinine reason"? isn't that a form of "not knowing what he is doing" too?)

1. I've explained my Taz reasoning adequately, that's why I'm so certain that he's pushing this wagon. The reason I immediately discounted it as bussing scum-scum is that you're hopping on with such terrible (lack of?) reasoning, so I'm wary of that as a potential scum push.
2. In this case, it could also be deliberate, and considering the rest of his scumminess, it makes more sense that a bad vote would be a deliberate move. I realize that Tazaro is operating on the premise of him having no damned clue, but the fact of the matter is that I've seen him commit actual scumtells. Not like, being stupid while floundering, actual scumtells.

Tasky's Qs irk me as well at a first glance, I'll have to look at them later.

@Oman: FakeGod's NOT confirmed? Town-Charlie said for fact that he was. Why are you still trying to refute this?

[yabbaguy]

Ye VI mislynch-advocate.

And I'm saying my tells are scumtells and not VI-tells. Burden of proof is yours.

[yabbaguy]

Tasky, on a second glance at your questions, I found some of them pointless, but really none of them scummy. The weirdness of asking "what do you think I think" (e.g. @brianj) was what got my attention, and I'm not sure why you asked it, but yeah.

after rereading through his iso, I am inclined to believe that [Guppy] is not voting in a pro-town fashion, and find his comments relating to xite suspect, in how he sees him as town, and yet votes for him multiple times. It is of my opinion that something does not add up.

After reading the ISO myself, I don't agree with the part of him finding Xite Town, and it's quite inaccurate that he voted him multiple times, it was just that once. He voted you and Xite (Town), and IIRC, you really didn't have much to say against the former. If you thought two of those votes (yours) were anti-Town, why are you yapping at Guppy *now* instead of back at the time?

[yabbaguy]

Fuck, I'm wrong again. >:(

But I'm still genuinely confused here, how was he scum? I really didn't see anything that stuck out at me, and I went through that ISO multiple times.

[yabbaguy]

Point of interest:

Damn it, why did I let yabbaguy get me distracted from Prof. Guppy?

Unvote: yabbaguy

Vote: Prof. Guppy

It's interesting to note that this is L-1.

My thought is it's a poor bus with feigned emotion.

I cited before that PieMan's delayed reaction at Guppy was a little too convenient considering his vote increase between those two moments of time and I do think it could've been a bus as well.

I'm banking on Tazaro and PieMan.

[yabbaguy]

But I think they're scumtells Tasky. Why aren't they?

[yabbaguy]

I can discern relationship tells from one flip. I don't need to know both your alignments, the whole point of this game is that I'm going after you without knowing really whether or not you're scum.

And the "damn it, yabb distracted me" remark struck me as emotional.

[yabbaguy]

Ugh. Now I get to be in 0 games for a while. I've been so behind on this game from the get-go with everything else I'm in.

Sorry Taz and Pie.

[yabbaguy]

Notable: Why would tasky pop in as a DQ'd scum to say gg and wtg? I think it's much more likely CSL's Town as a result.

Agree on the Pie-pushing case, though scum could easily pick up on that. The logical deduction I conclude is that it's one of the Taz devil or the train Reck of a hydra.

Vote: Tazaro

[yabbaguy]

Pie, the order's invertable for me. I have brianj (?), CSL, and you as Town. That leaves Reck or Taz.

I've been more sure of Taz the whole time for reasons mentioned before.

[yabbaguy]

Wisteria, the whole point of voting is that we think Tazaro is mafia AND we're satisfied with the Day ending.

[yabbaguy]

Vote: No Lynch

?

[yabbaguy]

Blue podium.

Reckamonic?

[yabbaguy]

I'll be back by tomorrow or Monday.

Vote: CSL

[yabbaguy]

All of CSL's points are baseless. All these quotes his words from the last post.

Scum strategy.

- Reckamonic obviously will disagree here, but I thought at the time that there was a really good strategy for finding scum, and I got shut down with a baseless "stop rolefishing" remark. That's why I thought scum initially.

You voted Xite just so a hammer happens so you can go hide somewhere, scumbag.

I wanted the hammer to happen because I thought I was right. This point cannot be made until you claim that my reasons for voting Xite were poor/scummy.

This bit tells me Oman lied through his teeth, as this is buddying. yabbaguy screams scum here.

Yes, I went out of my way to rip down a wagon I felt was being driven by scummy/apathetic players. That's why I was so sure Guppy was a mislynch, the fact that all the reasoning from the people on board was lousy.

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Take a look at Tasky's post here. The best people to help rat scum out are the scum themselves, and I think Tasky was doing precisely that at that moment in time. Obviously, Town players can come up with fully detailed PBPAs as well, but notice the strange tone of some of his arguments (well, as soon as you wade through all the emphasis headaches you have to go through). Tasky brings up a lot of confusion that results from Oman's post, but it's actually not apparent that he finds all of it scummy. The "old psychology" remark and the "finish your sentences" remark are cases in point. Some of them are just obscurities that only someone who knows Oman to be scum would pick up on, such as the intricate points about the craplogic and finding specific sentences that contradict each other.

The point is that he was right, but his accuracy is so good that he had to have been scum that was made acutely aware of Oman's scumminess.

[yabbaguy]

It was scummy? >:(

But yeah, I'm scum. Dear partners: the L-1 quickhammering was quite unnecessary. Like, really, it was.

I felt if I had killed the one I called confirmed (Tasky), it would've been too much of me imposing my views of the game on the nightkill and would've outed me all the same.

[yabbaguy]

"Incorrect letter guess".

Reckamonic, I was actually planning to go full-thrusters at you on D6, so CSL putting the hasty vote down actually pissed me off immensely.

[yabbaguy]

I'm happy if the QT is posted as-is, but I'll wait for one other buddy to agree out of courtesy.

Glad to know I can BS a "game over?" line. Yup, it was absolute garbage, although now it's quite a genuine line.

The only thing I thought was dicey was that Tasky posting in the thread after the "game over?" episode really made it blatantly obvious (notwithstanding my informed stance) that his slot was Town, hence my allusion to it in thread. I think the outcome of Town win is certainly deserved and I can't pin the loss on that by any stretch, but lest that make a more substantial difference in another game, mods should watch out for that.

[yabbaguy]

I thought about it and thought it clashed with the Mystery Wedge vig/doc powerset among them. I don't agree it would've been believable.