Mars 2/Mini 243 - We Didn't Start the Fire, Game Over

[Nai]

That was interesting. Heh. Well, welcome to the new day everybody. Hmm... I wonder why there was no kill night 1...

[Nai]

Are we done with the random voting portion of day 1?

[Nai]

Oh my god, BabyJesus is IS!

On topic, what's with the bandwagon on Bamboomancer? Christ almighty here. (And not BJ either)

Vote: This is not me

For adding the third vote.

MOD EDIT: Got rid of the double post, 'cause I'm that nice.

[Nai]

Thanks Mod. I got this weird error message (something about an email not going through?) When I tried to post. So I tried posting again. Apparently both went through, but the error message remained.

[Nai]

Bamboo is at 5 votes, 7 away from death. Ratios say that one of the mafia is already on the wagon, at least. Probably a second one there too, last one staying back so he doesn't look suspicious.

Well, since it's this far anyways, Bamboo, wanna claim?

[Nai]

Bamboo's one off from a lynch, to let everyone know. I'm just gonna wait and see what happens.

[Nai]

BJ, I'm amazed how adamant you are not to out the

doc

. What, what's wrong with the cop? You don't care if he's outed? That's most interesting.

[Nai]

If scum, all the better. This is a no-brainer now. Anyone trying to push elsewhere now and possible out the doc will be dealt with.

Sounds like a good lynch to me, lets git er done, and move on. No need to risk outing the doc now.

Yeah, you comment about the cop twice. You comment about the doc four times.

True, the cop MIGHT live if he's outed. But remember that the cop is an important role too. The doc isn't the one that can find mafia at night, and the doc usually misses. The cop at least gets results EVERY night. Not that I'm arguing that the doc is useless, I'm just saying that BJ is playing very strange.

He wants Bamboo killed no matter what, and made that choice pretty randomly. Then he just wants the doc protected. That either says to me that BJ is the doc and is trying to keep the heat off of himself, BJ is town and is just being overeager (or some other variation of this theme), or BJ is scum and is trying to get himself a quick lynch.

If we lynch Bamboo, and he's innocent, I say BJ is a prime lynchee for tomarrow.

[Nai]

I say we lynch BJ if Bamboo ends up dead. And I think that's a lynch, though I might be wrong.

[Nai]

Vote: Babyjesus

, and

FOS: Everyone who acted like a sheep and voted for our lynchee

. Fast lynches only help the mafia. Why did you guys take him down like that?

[Nai]

Agreed. However, I'd still like BabyJesus strung up.

[Nai]

Yeah? I could use the same argument against you for the lynching of Bamboo. The scum want ALL townies lynched, not just you. Unless you are claiming you are special?

[Nai]

BJ, you are already getting flack, and now you're trying again? Unless you're a cop, you're making really stupid plays here.

I've got a question for anyone that cares to answer: Does anyone have a role ability that has anything to do with their role name?

[Nai]

That's amusing. I keep voting BJ, and wonder about how roles work in this game. A simple 'yes or no' answer would suffice, but suddenly you decide I'm scum? Heh. I'm just trying to see if we can expect a lot of townies, or if it's a pro-town based game.

[Nai]

Raj, I'm only asking if the ability has anything to do with the name. We lynched Bamboomancer partially because no one could believe that he was just a plain towny with his role name. I didn't ask for any information beyond that. For crying out loud...

[Nai]

To better further my decisions in this game. And I don't know if I'd believe your role more. It depends on your role. But a little information goes a long way.

[Nai]

Is it just me, BJ, or is the doc dead? Oh, wait, he is. That makes your argument null and void, doesn't it?

[Nai]

Yet you used that argument as an excuse against Stark's argument, which is valid. However, you've already decided on your target today. Yesterday you single-handedly started a bandwagon that got rid of a townie. Today, you've done the same thing, but it hasn't gone far enough. You're a decent candidate for lynch yourself, just as much as any of the rest of us.

[Nai]

so you know for a fact I am voting for a townie?? interesting....

I never said you were voting for a townie. I said that "today you are doing the same thing", i.e. starting a bandwagon with no evidence whatsoever. Unless you have evidence? It seems to me like you really wanted a doc.

[Nai]

If he doesn't know his mason partner, it's pretty much a BS claim. There's no point of a mason that doesn't know his partner. If you don't know the partner, you can't communicate at night. And if you can't do that, you're nothing but a townie that has a spiffy title.

I say we lynch him.

[Nai]

Actually, I now believe BJ. Amazing, yes. Yes, I have my reasons, though I'd rather not say them.

Unvote: BabyJesus

If needed, I'll explain. However, now I'd like to hear Brian's lead.

[Nai]

[quote=Nai]Actually, I now believe BJ. Amazing, yes. Yes, I have my reasons, though I'd rather not say them.

Unvote: BabyJesus

[/quote]

Finish what now? Just because I believe your claim doesn't mean I believe who you want to kill should be killed.

[Nai]

Yes, actually. For a very good reason. Mostly because you said you didn't know who your buddy was. However, if you can give role names, and no one has contested it (also for good reason), it's probably true.

[Nai]

Bloojay, I have information that proves that BabyJesus is

not

lying. I'd love to see your information.

Vote: Bloojay

for this.

[Nai]

I'd like to hear your info, Bloojay. I think LyingBrian would like to as well, plus BJ. Please?

[Nai]

That clinches it for me right there. Because I can save someone from being run up right now, I'll claim.

i was holding out, but I want to make it clear that BJ is telling the truth. I'm Rock and Roller Cola Wars. I'm told that I know that a friend of mine Punk Rock (BJ) is town. I don't consider us masons, as we can not talk outside of game. BJ coming out with exact names is what caused me not to vote for him.

I think that Bloojay either needs to die hard (as he said, two mason groups? Besides, a three mason group sounds waaay too close to a scum group, don'tcha think?) for his claim.

[Nai]

I did NOT know BJ was innocent until he gave his role name and my role name in his claim. All I knew before that was that he was claiming mason. My role did NOT tell me that BJ was innocent. It told me that the role Punk Rock was innocent.

[Nai]

No, BJ, nothing 'triggered' for me. I don't like to assume things when someone posts something that's not a fact.

[Nai]

Bloojay, you're saying you'd rather kill a confirmed townie and die yourself than unvote and try another person? What's wrong with this picture... The only group I can see that this helps is Mafia.

[Nai]

Here's the difference Tamuz with your craplogic: I'm another townie proving him. He's another townie proving me. Where the townie proving you're not scum? Nowhere! You have no confirmation! If one of us dies, me or him, the other is confirmed! Where as you have no guarentees at all. Got it?

As for Bloojay, I'd love to hear his buddies speak up to confirm him. Otherwise, he's just a townie whose pulling stuff out of his butt to support a craplogic argument.

[Nai]

But here's the deal. There isn't anyone coming forwards to prove Bloojay's claim. If I die (hell, I have no problem with it, though I'd love to live to endgame every so often), BJ is cleared. However, no one can clear Bloojay at this present time. Even if we lynch a Mason, we don't know if they were connected to Bloojay. That's the problem.

[Nai]

Lynching any confirmed townie is a loss. The problem is, there's only one way to truly confirm me or BJ over there: Lynch one of us. You, however, if you are telling the truth, have TWO buddies to confirm you. If that's true, that's 5 confirmed townies. Completely broken. Somehow, I don't think Iammars is that bad at setting things up.

[Nai]

You're both right. I can't prove that he's town, neither can he prove me. Until either one of us dies or those that oppose our validity are proved scum. Mason is in quotes because we arn't QUITE masons.

[Nai]

Bloojay, here's my problem. If we have 5 confirmed townies, why don't your two partners come out? That's over half the town completely and utterly confirmed. More or less, anyways. Five out of 9 is a force to be reckoned with. It also means there are only 7 other people, which actually means only 4 now. If all five of us are clean, then we have 1 out of 4 chance of hitting a townie. If all of us come out, we've broken the game.

Which is EXACTLY why we should (if you are telling the truth), but is also EXACTLY why I doubt that the mod would ever do that.

[Nai]

Tamuz, here's my problem with proving that any of us is clean. To prove me or BJ, one of us has to be lynched. To prove Bloojay and his currently-silent companions, you have to lynch him. You can't lynch the silent companions, we don't know who they are. So that pretty much leaves us down 2 town. Meanwhile, we lose probably 2 town a night for those two nights. If we have to prove our innocence by lynching, the Mafia win.

[Nai]

Bloojay, if the deadline comes, you're dead. So if your mason buddies were to come out, at least one would come out right now. I find it amusing that they havn't decided to show up.

[Nai]

Tamuz, you mis-spelled your own name in your coming out post. But I suppose, since someone DID come out and confirm him, that Bloojay has enough evidence in his favor to warrent an

unvote

. I'm not exactly convinced, but I won't vote for him if he has someone vouching for him.

[Nai]

It means, though, that we're down at least one cop. I'd like to hear what Bloojay and his buddies have to say about this. If a third person can vouch for them NOW, they'll really be confirmed without a doubt (at least, to me). Hit another mafia today and BJ and me are also pretty much cleared.

As for me, I would like to

vote: This is not me

for backing LyingBrian. He was pretty serious about saying that Brian was town, and here's what happened. Sounds an awful lot like two inept mafia to me.

[Nai]

Stark seems like a good enough lynch as any. But I'd like to wait on him for a little bit and let day 3 extend to get more information. No one is acting overtly scummy today. I'm not sure I beleive This Is Not Me. Though Telivision does make sense as a name, role blocker only makes sense if you extrapolate the idea. It's also VERY easy to claim you did something to a dead guy, since that dead guy can't prove your claim in either way.

[Nai]

I gotta wonder where everyone is.

[Nai]

i for some reason think that tamuz/bloojay/nanook group is the mafia

Of the people that are around, I really think you should be lynched. Just for backing the SK so much. I forget, have you claimed yet?

While it would make sense for Bloojay and his two friends to be scum, it's a VERY stupid move. I've looked at Bloojay play. I don't think he's that stupid. Nor do I believe that those that have backed him are stupid enough to do so if they were scum. If they were, that means we just have to lynch one and we find both of the others.

While I'd love to test Bloojay's thing right now, since we don't seem to have a cop, let's lynch TINM.

[Nai]

I just speak what I see. Not meant as anything more than a fact.

Now I remember. Sorry, brain is atrophying while playing 3 mafia games, modding a fourth, and getting ready to mod one here. I just need to start taking notes, that's all.

I still would like to see TINM dead, just for bad plays and illogical comments.

[Nai]

So you've decided that everyone that's claimed mason is a higher chance of being mafia than, say, anyone else? Again, read my post about how stupid you'd have to be to be mafia making a three person mason group. Granted, I'd like to test that mason group somehow. But no good way is coming up.

Well bloo me and ??? could just be doing an amazing ploy. You really don't know how dumb I could be, eh?

Is it an amazing ploy? And how dumb CAN you be? Care to explain?

[Nai]

I was mostly joking with the last statement, acting like some mystery movie that I can't remember. As I said when I first came out about me and BJ, we are NOT masons. All we know is that the person holding the name in our role PM is good. We didn't know, in the beginning, that either of us were the other person. The reason I didn't believe that BJ was good in the beginning was because all he said was "I know a name, that's all." But when he gave exact names (c'mon, he has a 1 in 24 chance of getting names right if he guesses), that cleared him for me.

Here's convenience for you. We have 8 people left. 5 people are claiming masons. That leaves three people. We probably have a three person mafia group. Look:

Tamuz/Bloojay/Nanook: 3 person mason group.
BJ/Nai: 2 person "pseudo" mason group.
This Is Not Me: Roleblocker who blocked a dead guy each night.
Raj: 2 night kill-blocker.
Stark: Hasn't claimed yet.

Here's my plan. There are three ways scum could be in this game that makes the most sense.

1.) Tamuz/Bloojay/Nanook are scum. A play so dumb that it's SO dumb that it could almost work. But it's a WIFOM situation.

2. Raj/Stark/TINM: Seems the most likely to me. The three outcasts. I can almost guarentee that Stark will claim Cop to get us off his ass.

3. Me/BJ/Someone else: I'll say right now that this isn't true, but for the sake of science, it has to be considered a possibility.

To prove any group true we have to lynch someone. We do NOT have three days, gentleman, to waste on test lynches. We need to be right today or tomarrow to win. Preferably today. I suggest we lynch someone from the outcasts. TINM seems the most likely lynch to me, Stark following a close second. If they are town, turn to the three person mason group and lynch Nanook for not only being a lurker, but also for being in that group.

[Nai]

Rajr HASN'T used up all his abilities. Or so he says. If he is town and still has that ability, then he can delay a loss for town one more day. You, on the other hand, are a liability. If you do happen to be scum with that ability, you could block anyone useful. Which could be a problem.

[Nai]

To TINM:

I'm Dylan.

i sing my protest songs 2 times in the game to stop all kills that will happen in the night.

i decided to do it night one. i

havnt

done it agian for my second/last time.

ive been trying to figure out if there would be 2 roleblockers.. well mine isnt a role blocker exactly....

i almost beleive This is Not Me. so im thinking we ahve some uber mafia.

What, can you not read? "Havn't" is the contracted form of "have not", which is the past tense of "has not", as in, "He has not done it for the second time." Please, use that brain that I know you have before arguing with mine. Thanks.

I think that TINM should die just for that. It sounds a bit calculated to me. He wants to stay alive so he tried to use mis-direction to get another person killed. All opposed to killing TINM raise your hand. All in favor, vote him so we can see if we're right.

[Nai]

Well, with that, I think our doc is really lucky. That would explain the lack of kills night one. Though I can't understand why the SK didn't attack him.

If we're still going with my plan, I'm suspicious of the three masons. However, we ARE in lynch-or-lose, sadly. I KNOW that I'm safe. I know that BJ is safe. Unless Nanook is NOT in the mason group and the mafia pulled him in (with his lack of posting) as a flunky (A play I'd make if Nanook was as idle as he is now), that just leaves them. I'll prefer to go with Bloojay for being the first counterclaimer.

Vote: Bloojay

[Nai]

Hell, Stark could be a doc for all we know. Though it's good that we know you did it. Without you saying something before hand, how are we to know?

[Nai]

You could STILL be a doc lying to us to save his skin.

[Nai]

Let me explain:

I know that I'm town. I know that BJ is town. That is the extent of my knowledge. I'm guessing that there are 3 mafia out there. Raj has pretty much cleared himself.


That leaves 4 people. You, Bloojay, Tam, and Nanook. It's lynch-or-lose. That means that we have a 75% chance of hitting mafia. I like those odds.

Unless Nanook is an innocent bystander and you, Stark, are the mafia, this leaves the three 'mason' members trying to play a WIFOM game with us. However, there is a chance Nanook could be town. Seeing as he has been silent the entire game, he has NOT said that he is NOT part of the mason group. He could have been roped in. I find this unlikely. But it's a possibility out there.

[Nai]

Is that the best you can come up with, Bloojay? "Kill them or you'll have our deaths on your conscience"? Where's your third mason member to speak up, saying he's in the mason party?

Raj, you're right. There might be more than three mafia. However, I'm unwilling to consider any more than three at this point for sake of sanity.

[Nai]

Well, its more like a loss at the hands of someone with information that he knows is right.

Wait... Doesn't this sound like what I've been saying? That I KNOW that BJ is clean, so I'm going after the most possible other scum groups? Hmm. Interesting. But recall this: BJ said he had a "mason" friend first. Then I backed him up. You ONLY started saying you were masons BECAUSE we claimed, and you wanted to attack us. You had no credibility, so you HAD to claim. Unless BJ and I are real ball-sy mafia members (claiming mason first?), you are just scum that made a bad play. Your mafia buddies had two choices: Back you up or let you crash and burn. However, you somehow convinced them to back you up with this. Thus, we get our three man mason group.

Doesn't make any sense in the logical mind. In any case, Raj's move gained us a night. Your group needs to be tested. I'm willing to be lynched tomarrow if I'm wrong. But I don't think I'm wrong.

[Nai]

If we just lynched an innocent, then I die tomarrow (should tomarrow come). But if we didn't, I say Tamuz should go next. Nanook can wait.

[Nai]

I'll hold true to my word. I'll be lynched, if wanted.

[Nai]

Oof. We got played.