Mafia 1013 - Prozacs Basic Theme - Game has ENDED

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Ew, clam chowder. Hi all.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Vote: Lllamaeatataco

because I want a taco, too

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Probably Flameaxe and yourself. Having experienced partners is helpful as scum.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I'm quite new to the game, so haven't really developed scumhunting techniques yet. I'm hoping this game will help me do so. I can see it when it hits me in the face, but I haven't really gotten used to detecting tells and such, so will often jump on the most logical bandwagon.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Fishy, I'd hardly consider thinking about how you are viewed as scummy. Whether you're town, scum or whatever, you want to be seen as town. That's common to all roles, is it not? What makes it scummy in the first place?

Unvote

for now. Expect a serious vote shortly.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Because I don't see anyone who needs a vote yet. Just a whole lot of overreacting.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I never said it was a tell. You just did. I WILL say that that just makes me suspect you more and I think you just slipped.

This makes absolutely no sense.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Vote: Mallogeno

I'm already getting a scummy read from this guy.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I think it's blatantly obvious. You're making no sense. Voting seemingly at random, and saying you'll keep your vote on for flippancy, a null tell considering flippancy is a part of the game. After being told as much, you make a babbling, nonsensical post, which you haven't explained despite three players expressing confusion. THAT is why I'm voting you.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Can you say why you think Budja is town?

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Seeing as Mallowgeno is clearly ignoring my question, my vote remains.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I find it hard to believe that you really don't think I read your post at all... Especially when I quoted it to you. You = Liar. Liars = scum. Therefore, you = scum.

Oh wait, that was someone else who said that, so it doesn't have that ironic effect.


Jokey style =/= trying to be liked by town. Jokey style = personality. End of story.

This is the post that stands out to me as scummy, when compared with this:

but people are so much more fun when they're slightly irritated...

and this:

Because I'm worried that I might actually be insane. Did you know that that eliminates a whole slew of career opportunities?

He claims a jokey style makes you seem like you're trying to be liked by town, which in turn makes you scummy. Well then, those above two quotes make him scummy.

Also, why do you think Mallow is town?

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Ugh, failquotes. Just act as though they're there.

Fixed - Prozac

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I never said it was a tell. You just did. I WILL say that that just makes me suspect you more and I think you just slipped.

This is what's confusing me. You seem to be saying SC said flippancy is a tell. I don't get how he said that and how it makes him slip.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

There's no offence taken. I was just finding it difficult to identify a proper answer.

However, Jack's post gives Mallow a potential way out. It opens up all kinds of WIFOM.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I thought the reaction to your smiley use was over the top. Perhaps I should have been more specific. I don't see how smilies are an attempt to be liked. I thought votes and FOSes based on such a strategy were overreactions. And judging by your meta, you often use smilies anyway

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I don't really provide long posts. I say what needs to be said. You'll see long posts if and most likely when I see the need for them.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

How odd that the majority of people who consider you scummy are on your scum or leaning scum list.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

A question to everyone in this thread: Do you believe Jack's claim?

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

A question to everyone in this thread: Do you believe Jack's claim?

The daycop claim?

Yes

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

@xvart, Strangercoug, Mitsuru - We are lynching llama today.

Jack said we got a guilty on Mallow. If we lynch him and he's town we know he's paranoid or scum, or, worst case scenario, that Mallow was a miller. On the other hand, if llama turns up town, we get less information than if we lynch mallow and he flips town. I don't see exactly what warrants a llama lynch, while a guilty result has been found on mallow and he's been acting more scummy. To me, and to others too.

Also, please stop trying to lead the town when you're making posts like these.

No, it was directed at Llama, your scumbuddy. In regards to his flailing.

^ replace "lazy." with "scum."

Hardly contributive with posts like these.

FOS:Raivann

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I said nothing about you being more scummy. I said we'd get more information from a mallow lynch. About Jack's alignment or sanities. A paranoid cop realizing what they are early can be fantastic, and stop town hurting themselves. While we get next to nothing out of your lynch. Besides. Mallow's acting far more scummy than llama right now.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

How odd that the majority of people who consider you scummy are on your scum or leaning scum list.

Why do you think this is worth pointing out?

Because doing this seems awfully OMGUS, and he doesn't give reasons for his read. It's just OMGUS disguised as fancy labeling.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

You'd like to ask us all what?

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Llama - 5 - raivann, Budja, Fishythefish, Anon,
Jack - 3 - Blackberry, Mallowgeno
mallowgeno - 2 - Mitsuru,
Blackberry - 1 - xvart
Raivan - 1 - Flameaxe
Anon- 1- Llama
Coug- 1- Jack
Not Voting- 1- Coug

Seeing as the Mallow lynch has gone nowhere, I'll be

Unvoting

myself. I don't have time to make a new case at the moment, but I will later tonight or tomorrow. Just thought a VC would help.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Raivann has been quite aggressive and unhelpful. He seems to want to lead the town but in the posts he makes, he doesn't contribute much. He seems to have slipped under the radar with short posts and gotten away with no contribution, and then I read this part of a post

scum=liars=llama.

if a=b and b=c then a=c.

unvote, Vote:llamaeatataco

I don't like this. It seems a reason to ignite the llama lynch. Then he begins to make short, uncontributive posts? Why are you telling us who's being lynched when you aren't even making a case on your top suspect?

Flameaxe is being extremely protown in my eyes. He's making cases and backing them up. It's a good thing. However, the aggressive tone in his last couple of posts is a little weird. However, I can see why he's acting this way. It's still anti-town, however. Even if it isn't scummy.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I'm off to bed now. Expect cases on all other players in the morning.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I didn't like the way Anon entered this game at all. He had to be prodded, then demanded opinions of us. However, that's more playstyle than anything else. In any case, he's making an effort to scumhunt.

Blackberry I was sure was town until she switched her vote from Jack to Anon. You stated early in the game:

Unvote

Vote: Budja

I want to see how you react to this. You've done something that raises a red flag to me (I'm not revealing what it is - because it is a tell that I think is more accurate than a lot of other tells, and by revealing it - it prevents mafia from doing that tell in the future).

Did Budja's answer satisfy you? Or are you voting Anon because you consider him more scummy?

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I actually did read his posts. He's analyzing and scumhunting. Even if he's a bit insult happy.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I meant Flameaxe was scumhunting in response to Llama's post. I should have quoted but was in a hurry.

lmao. Did you actually read his posts and think about them, or did you just see they were huge walls of text?

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I like Anon as town. However, Mallow's last post ups my scum read on him. I don't care if the wagon isn't going anywhere.

Vote: mallow

Llama is going up too. His tone is becoming more aggressive and defensive.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I'm voting Mallow, Porochaz.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I did bold, but maybe Ishouldhave put it at the bottom of my post.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Alright. I'll keep that in mind.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I'm ready to vote you alright. I'm just more ready to vote Mallow.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I need time to reread before voting again. To find approriate quotes if they exist. I couldn't find anyone more scummy than mallow. And his recent posts have only convinced me of that. It's just playstyle.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

As do I. Raivann reads as extremely townie to me. Llama, Mallow, and possibly Budja are the scum team for me.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

So then, now that you were lynched, can you tell us whether you were actually a VT?

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

EBWODP: I just realized he was ALREADY voting you.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Budja has posted very little game content. Llama is cracking continuously under pressure. Mallow I've explained my vote on already.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Also, I'm a girl.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

You have accepted that you have changed playstyle. Ok Nulltell. My point is that this change of playstyle benefits you more in the scum agenda. Being an ass gathers you negative attention. Not being an ass gives you a free pass. This is not tell only applied to you. I dont even remember who your top suspects are.

- Flameaxe has acepted that he has used gut before. Obv as scum he would not use gut, so this tell only applies when he is town. He is not using gut in this game. Jumping to the conclusion that this change of approach makes him more likely scum than average is not illogical at all.

This seems WIFOMish. His change in personality doesn't benefit him as scum any more than it would as town. The fact that he changed his playstyle would help him regardless of alignment because his previous behavior would throw suspicion on him. It's not that it makes him more town. But it doesn't make him less town either. It's a null tell.

We're voting the wrong person here. Reread and ISO your remaining suspects and think again. There's too many people voting for Raivann because it's just a bandwagon. There are more scummy people than him, and I'll back it up with a case shortly.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I genuinely did not know. As scum I've been a victim of this trick and revealed my alignment. It's just a misread, which I quickly corrected.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

[quote="llama"If you break any of the main links in the chain, your argument fails.[/quote]

Calling people's English bad. General insults. I define this as cracking under pressure. There's no real need to call people's arguments stupid or English bad in my experience. The fact that you react with this increases my scum read on you.

You also seem awfully determined to make a big deal out of my town read on Raivann and asking him about his role when I thought he was dead. Why are you so determined to get a scum read out of this? It was just a role question. Like anyone would ask when someone dies.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Post ended short because I need to sleep. I'll be going to bed now.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

OK. I can admit when I'm wrong. I have no real evidence on Llama and thought I'd try and get a lynch because I have a gut scum read on llama. Take it as you like.

As for Raivann, he might have been scummy at first, and I thought so too, but now he's asking questions, responding to accusations and trying to scumhunt. So what if he doesn't post huge walls of text? He was scummy at first, but isn't now. He shouldn't be lynched.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Xvart, you've stated you dislike Blackberry's secret scumtell play, but do you think this makes him more scummy than before?

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I really don't think using the term WIFOM is scummy at all. I've seen it used and used it as scum and town alike, and I really don't think it's a reason to vote someone. And even if Raivann was acting scummy, it just seems like Blackberry is jumping on a bandwagon for the sake of it. I don't like it.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I don't like it much, but I think he's acted more town throughout. He might not be posting huge text walls, but I have a more scummy read on Blackberry. Despite his explanations, his vote hopping is scummy. However, I realize a BB lynch probably won't happen today, so I'll be keeping a close eye on he and Mallow.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Here is Blackberry somewhat appeasing an attacker. To call me an open minded townsperson like that pinged my scumdar. But it wasn't until his stunt where asked for Jack to be replaced for not answering questions that really got me thinking scum.

Even though BB disproved this theory later, it's an attempt to look at BB's playstyle. I liked this post. It's from ISO 26.

ISO 36 states:

Here is where flameaxe starts and decides to go after me.
He decides he is gonna make an example of this brash noob. How dare I call him and llama scumbuddies!

Though some may not see scumhunting in here, I think Raivann has made a good point. Flameaxe's reply was weird. I don't see how Raivann was keeping his opinions from the rest of us. I thought his reply, though slightly exaggerated, was a town one.

Quote tags fixed - mod

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

I just get a gut town read from his posts. For now, I see slightly sarcastic, scummy town, but not scum. That could all change, but his posts give me a gut read of town.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Unvote. Vote Blackberry

I can agree with this case, and I'm not buying his cases. However, I REALLY want Mallow lynched tomorrow.

The reason I was sticking to my guns on Mallow then saying I won't vote BB because it isn't going anywhere is because I really want mallow lynched. Call it tunnelling, but I have a serious gut read on Mallow as scum. Hypocrisy, yes, but I don't think Mallow is good for town this game.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

Also.

V/LA with limiting posting this week.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

RAGE! Go town!