Gears of War Mafia (Over!)

[Jack]

Socrates my old scumbuddy! Good to see you again.

Fate, I've always liked your style of play! I hope I did your mason spot justice.

CMAR, what is this, like the 4th game in a row we've had? I expect your "claim before rereading" tactic won't apply in this game though!

MehPlus--I don't think I mentioned it, but that was some great vig work in Lay of the Lethian.

Kise, haven't seen you in a while but we had some good times in teleportation if I recall correctly!

Reaper, nice catch with the mispelling! That had me laughing, I love playing with funny people.

Haven't played with the rest of you, but may I just say that you are all excellent people and I'm very pleased to be playing with each and everyone of you. Mafiascum's finest in this game!

Not going to vote just yet, I don't really believe in random voting and wouldn't want to get off on the wrong foot with any of you.

[Jack]

I don't hate anybody

In greek I was scum so I had a motive. In malth's I thought you were scum, that's why I was saying we should lynch you, not because I disliked you. And we in the dead qt for mendo thought the survivor joat bit was funny.

[Jack]

Socrates, you don't know Jack.

Also silver, is your username in reference to your beer preference? Or is that what you call your pet (in avatar)? He's a fine looking animal btw.

[Jack]

vote: Jack

He's friendly...a little too friendly!

vote:Karma

I think this is a loophole in the OMGUS classification.

[Jack]

It was a random vote, calm down haha

What are you laughing about?

[Jack]

It was a random vote, calm down haha

What are you laughing about?

The example he used, is that okay Mr. Jack?

It wasn't funny.

[Jack]

It was a random vote, calm down haha

What are you laughing about?

The example he used, is that okay Mr. Jack?

It wasn't funny.

*sigh* I am sorry for failing to humor you.

unvote, vote:CMAR

Oh the tangled webs we weave, when we set out to deceive.

[Jack]

b) Allow us to gain more information

Why "us"? Why not "me"?

[Jack]

Let's lynch CMAR.

[Jack]

CMAR is scum.

[Jack]

CMAR is scum.

In case anyone is wondering, I'm pretty sure early game tunneling out of Jack without providing any info is normal? For some reason it rings a bell, but I don't exactly recall where.

Probably malths game that we were in, where I tunneled on scum early game.

[Jack]

Malth's - I was scum and I beat yo' a$$

You replaced in and after a page or two of posting I said you were scum, then you NK'd me. So I think it's safe to assume that you know I know you're scum this game--and that's what your posting sounds like.

[Jack]

Damn it... the real round is getting ready to start eh?

When are you going to start?

Malth's - I was scum and I beat yo' a$$

You replaced in and after a page or two of posting I said you were scum, then you NK'd me. So I think it's safe to assume that you know I know you're scum this game--and that's what your posting sounds like.

If you WOULD remember, your final prediction in the GY did not include scum CMAR. Kthnx

You defended yourself exactly the same in that game, and you were shiningly town in greek myth. So you are scum in this game.

[Jack]

BC is annoyed because he fate gave him a scare; he thought fate had just killed his scum buddy.

[Jack]

@ soc, cmar is not playing like he usually plays. i have never played a scum game with him and this is a significant departure from how i've seen him play. he's more skittish, more defensive, and looks to us for approval before he does stuff.

Yes. He also does the fake laughing thing as scum.

[Jack]

he seems to be fence sitting and using his meta to defend himself.

Um...?

unvote, vote: silverbullet

I don't know what this "um...?" means.

Soc, you skipped karma in your list.

Thank God we are playing execution mode, not Standard... I'm a good X (Or is it A!?) Masher to get back up!

Silver, why are you trying to be so jokey?

fos:silver

[Jack]

@Soc: Have you ever played with Jack? He almost ALWAYS does this to a player in every game, sometimes he's right, sadly, not this time. Hence why I'm generally ignoring him.

Yes I think Soc got caught out putting me into the scum pile to casually. His reason is not a good one at all. He was my scum partner in pypII, he should know that my "tunneling" means nothing.

unvote, vote:Socrates

That + lack of genuine searching.

*******

DGB isn't sounding genuine which I found her scummy for last time we played.

[Jack]

You barely posted anything and then did a summary which doesn't match with what you know of people's meta's or with what you said earlier in the thread. AKA you were acting lazy and then threw that post together to look protown.

CMAR is definitely overeager, but I don't know if that makes him scum.

CMAR's vote on Reapercharlie can be construed as an attempt to buddy up to me, thinking that that is what I wanted to see out of him. I want to see how he follows up on it before I call him scum.

His summary of CMAR has nothing to do with what he said about CMAR earlier...and cmar was the main player he singled out. Before he said he was definitely overeager...now it "can be construed" as scum trying to buddy (because that's likely??).

****

previously mentioned hasty place of me in the town pile for bad reason

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Doesn't mention karma even though he did everyone else, votes him in next post, then it's "Also, Karma is the scumbag. Vote him. "

***

So Soc active lurked and then posted a fake overview trying to look town post.


Your comment about me is a weird rip off of CMAR's...

I'm pretty sure early game tunneling out of Jack without providing any info is normal? For some reason it rings a bell, but I don't exactly recall where.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Jack is town. If he is scum and CMAR is town then tunneling like that is a dangerous move for him to make. But that is a malleable read.

@Soc: Have you ever played with Jack? He almost ALWAYS does this to a player in every game, sometimes he's right, sadly, not this time. Hence why I'm generally ignoring him.

This is honest to god scum talking about something in the QT and it accidentally leaking over into the thread. CMAR can't really remember the point, Soc brings it up out of the blue in a weird way, and now CMAR somehow knows all about it.

Conclusion: CMAR and Soc are scum

[Jack]

It's called Oh sh*t!

I

'm being wagoned! Hey look everyone, <blink>SOMEONE ELSE!!!</blink>

I disagree completely, major scum points for DGB.

[Jack]

DGB. you're not going to be able to save Karma.

Bu please.

Wait, who was she talking about? I thought she was talking to karma.

[Jack]

Soc is scum, cmar is a partner of his.

[Jack]

Soc is scum, cmar is a partner of his.

Substantiation is your friend.

And do you support a Soc or CMAR lynch over Karma?

See a couple pages back.

Yes.

[Jack]

Your comment about me is a weird rip off of CMAR's...

I'm pretty sure early game tunneling out of Jack without providing any info is normal? For some reason it rings a bell, but I don't exactly recall where.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Jack is town. If he is scum and CMAR is town then tunneling like that is a dangerous move for him to make. But that is a malleable read.

@Soc: Have you ever played with Jack? He almost ALWAYS does this to a player in every game, sometimes he's right, sadly, not this time. Hence why I'm generally ignoring him.

This is honest to god scum talking about something in the QT and it accidentally leaking over into the thread. CMAR can't really remember the point, Soc brings it up out of the blue in a weird way, and now CMAR somehow knows all about it.

Conclusion: CMAR and Soc are scum

Here's half of it, cut down for size.

Soc's reply was irrelevant.

Eh. 2 players can have a similar point without them sharing a quicktopic, Jack.

[Jack]

Nice picture.

[Jack]

When I get killed tonight, look back at my much ignored argument showing that cmar and soc are scumbuddies, then laugh and ignore it while you bandwagon people for no reason and the town loses.

[Jack]

Jack, you're not getting NK'd. You're not scaring anybody. Your concern sounds a little bit fake.

ongoing game

[Jack]

Claim: Neighbor

Neighbors with CMAR. He was rather unresponsive to start the game so I pushed him in thread instead. Now check back to the three quotes I posted earlier:

quote 1--CMAR says something about it being normal to for me to tunnel on someone, it "rings a bell" for him.
quote 2--Soc holds up my tunneling on cmar as a town tell because it would be too dangerous. Which is a lazy and untrue thing to say.
quote 3--now CMAR supposedly knows all about it while he didn't before.

I concluded that they had talked about it privately, fairly obvious if you ask me.

Rule 5 says I can't quote the QT, but I pressed CMAR on this and on Socrates. He softclaimed that he was also neighbors with Socrates and then claimed he wasn't allowed to talk about it when pressed. While talking about socrates he mentioned (soon after marathon day) that socrates didn't seem the type to bus, socrates played a game on marathon day with me where he bussed and it ended up being very stressful and he said "I'm never bussing again", I assume they discussed bussing given CMAR's scrambling defense, maybe it's coincidence maybe not.

Confirm vote:Socrates

If CMAR is scum I take it as a given that he is as well, and more likely to be a roleblocker/other scum role.

DGB is likely scum too.

[Jack]

Why vote me and not CMAR, since my scumness seems to be predicated on CMAR being scum?

I don't think the mod would give CMAR-scum two neighbors. And I already answered this question in my post...

[Jack]

Well, since I am not a neighbor with CMAR, this whole thing is goofy to say the least.

Also, this comment rubs me the wrong way.

[Jack]

I'm not scum though nor do I have any way to communicate with CMAR, thats the thing. I'm very confused here.

Why are you very confused? If you were townie I don't see why you'd be confused--it would be simple, CMAR is scum and took the opportunity to frame you--you at least sounded confident earlier that the connection between you two was obviously just coincidence. In no way would your not being neighbors with CMAR make the whole thing "goofy", since no one is assuming you are.

Jack should elaborate on the cirsumstances of CMAR's "soft-claim". When did he do it?

I pushed him on the tunneling thing soon after posting my case.

I don't think the mod would give CMAR-scum two neighbors. And I already answered this question in my post...

Your reason gave me de`javu, Jack. You remember my "reasoning" when I bussed you in that game I mentioned.

Ok, so the reason you asked a question that had already been answered was that you think I'm scum with CMAR? Assuming you aren't accusing me of bussing now. Yeah, I'm going to say you were grasping for a response with this post.

[Jack]

DGB is sounding like bussing.

BC's reaction is very interesting.

CMAR posted three times, but acts like he hasn't read anything? Did he post substantially elsewhere?

@fate: I will think some things over while waiting for CMAR's post. My gut read on Soc could be wrong, and there's a bit less hard evidence there than I was thinking, could be alternate explanations.

[Jack]

I think fate is town, I think DGB is scum. Tempted to switch to cmar based on that alone, but I'll wait till I reread.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:CMAR

Reread both in ISO. Cmar is nothing but scummy, soc is sounding a lot more townie. I think cmar may have just been trying to play me, or some gambit, I don't understand his mind.

[Jack]

If CMAR is scum I take it as a given that he is as well, and more likely to be a roleblocker/other scum role.

DGB is likely scum too.

From my claim post. I took it as a given, now I'm not.

You are pretty obviously scum with CMAR, and I'm thinking soc is town or at least not scum with you too. DGB, what happened to:

I'd be perfectly happy switching to CMAR, I just think it's sub-optimal.

You have been pushing Soc over CMAR way to hard to say this. I think my reasoning in the first quote is absolutely silly in retrospect. I was caught up in my cmar-soc theory that I've had for about half the game.

[Jack]

cmar has posted content elsewhere.

[Jack]

Socrates (1): DGB
ReaperCharlie (1): MehPlusRawr
SensFan (1): CMAR
Karma (1): Socrates
BloodCovenent (1): Slicey
Jack (1): BloodCovenent
Not Voting (2): Kise, SensFan

What on earth are these people doing?

[Jack]

He's already made his weekly post fate. You ask to much of him.

[Jack]

Scummy from Karma.

fos

[Jack]

Karma is kind of like CMAR rearranged you know. Carm. Karm. Karma. I think that's pretty good evidence.

[Jack]

But on the bright side, what did you think of my hammer?

It sucked ass. Didn't go well with the game. And was way to fucking early.

Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!) 1 ... 79, 80, 81
Teleportation Mafia Universe TWO (TOWN WINS) 1 ... 28, 29, 30

[Jack]

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[Jack]

I think Socrates and Reaper are scum.

But there's some nagging things that I have to look into for both of them. DGB I will have to think about some more too.

[Jack]

You'd better brush up on your Chinese, Soc.

[Jack]

Because you're digging yourself a hole so deep you'll end up in CHINA.

[Jack]

Soc, what do you think of reaper?

[Jack]

One question I have is, why was cmar so absent at the end of yesterday? Did his partners tell him to do that? Why?

[Jack]

I'm totally not scum.

Then explain yesterday to me.

[Jack]

One question I have is, why was cmar so absent at the end of yesterday? Did his partners tell him to do that? Why?

hmm, I think I have an answer for this. We can let the day develop though.

[Jack]

I'm totally not scum.

Then explain yesterday to me.

The whole of my yesterday was spent in a hellish place called Wisborg Asylum. Maybe you've heard of it?

I meant yesterday as in the game day.

@ Jack, if Socrates is your top suspect, why aren't you voting for him?

There are still some things nagging me. Why do you ask?

[Jack]

I ask because you seemed to be pretty bent on lynching CMAR and Soc yesterday, because CMAR had claimed to be linked with Soc somehow.

CMAR flipped goon, why aren't you voting Soc?

...

I think Socrates and Reaper are scum.

But there's some nagging things that I have to look into for both of them. DGB I will have to think about some more too.

One question I have is, why was cmar so absent at the end of yesterday? Did his partners tell him to do that? Why?

I'm totally not scum.

Then explain yesterday to me.

I'm totally not scum.

Then explain yesterday to me.

The whole of my yesterday was spent in a hellish place called Wisborg Asylum. Maybe you've heard of it?

I meant yesterday as in the game day.

@ Jack, if Socrates is your top suspect, why aren't you voting for him?

There are still some things nagging me. Why do you ask?

Why isn't "some things are nagging me" a sufficient answer for you? What do you think my lack of vote signifies?

[Jack]

Yes k*7. It's entirely possible they were all lying.

Then why are you calling me out for rolefishing if what I am saying is logical?

Kind of dissonant isn't it?

[Jack]

"Super secret reason" says Reaper an Socrates are scum. Full explanation after they flip. Or you can reread day 1.

[Jack]

Karma makes me laugh.

"Let's lynch reaper, then lynch reck, and if reck flips town, hooh boy will we have some questions for reaper"

[Jack]

I haven't read this game in awhile, so hopefully other people will read the CMAR interactions (LOL CMAR YOU SUCK AS SCUM AND AS TOWN /WRIST PLEASE) I'll lynch any of these though.

I reread the whole game, looking at CMAR interactions. I think Soc and reaper are the scum. DGB maybe.

Jack can you throw a vote down so we can wagon it please?

I'm feeling patient today.

[Jack]

Why do people think two people attacking each other early in a DAY TALK game means they aren't both scum? I ask you. Day talk scum love to distance.

Soc asked cmar what he thought of reaper, cmar posted some stupid pbpa, and Soc said "well at least I know the aren't scum together".

[Jack]

Our spiritual bond transcends games.

Btw, xRECK is annoying just call me Reck.

Why

're you voting for Socrates

aren't you voting for

me

?

Fixed.

You were pretty gung ho for a socrates lynch earlier.

[Jack]

Perhaps MehPlus can give us some guidance after he finishes his reread.

[Jack]

Which posts of socrates convince you that he's scum and which convince you that he's town?

[Jack]

Hmm, I wanted to see what DGB had to say.

Bit out of the loop this game because I've been busy.

Vote:Socrates

After my reread I had soc and reaper as scum. I will trust this.

[Jack]

I guess reaper is in the town pile too, I must have misread the CMAR interaction stuff. Read his argument about fate, I'll have to go back and check the points in thread though. DGB is still more probably scum.

[Jack]

There are no neighbors. Which is why DGB is scum.

[Jack]

Guess Sens doesn't have to catch up anymore.

I ISO'd him and his only crumbs was thinking Im obvtown.

If your masons with sens, please claim so I can quit my reread of you and reread reaper instead, who I was fairly sure was the mason buddy given his comments about silver.

[Jack]

The flavor might indicated a double voter...if I wasn't watching the game I'd cross-check the names with the cmar lynch.

[Jack]

CryMeARiver (8): xRECKONERx*, Fate*, Jack*, kunkstar7, MPR, Socrates, Karma, ReaperCharlie*

Socrates (7): Jack*, Fate*, ReaperCharlie*, BloodCovenent, DGB, xRECKONERx*

*'d are on both.

@fate: you are obv playing exactly to your scum-meta

[Jack]

DGB just claimed scum double voter BTW. I mean she COULD have kept up the act and voted Reck, but if you look at D1 votals it is just glaringly obvious.

I'm not a double-voter.

Your calculations, which you do not show, are wrong.

Why did you say there was a double voter in the first place? There are night-action roles which can lower the lynch limit on a player.

[Jack]

You sent a package to the person you wanted modkilled when you pretended to replace out?

[Jack]

nvm, not even that. You sent a package to

xreck

??

[Jack]

In the only games I've played in that had packages of some sort, they were 1-shot night abilities.

[Jack]

In the only games I've played in that had packages of some sort, they were 1-shot night abilities.

Yeah, that's what I do.

That game also had a scum inventor. Sending it to xreck seems to me that you were more concerned that he would still be alive the next day to confirm your ability than that he was town or would use it well.

[Jack]

Fate, why did you act like you were sens's mason buddy? "the only crumb he left was saying I was obvtown" or something like that.

We need more kunkstar in here.

[Jack]

Wait, what in the FUCK?

Yeah, I got a package last night. It's called a locust detector. However, the mod implied in the PM that I had received one previously, and as far as I can tell, I did NOT. Waiting on a response from the mod.

[Jack]

^A running theme.

Jack, don't worry about it and I won't worry about why CMAR didn't flip Neighbor.

Deal?

No.

[Jack]

How do inventor roles work? Can scum send genuine investigations if they want? I guess there's no reason why not. And they can always kill him if they really want to.

[Jack]

Well Jack you'll have to try and run me up to claim then if you don't want to strike a deal. Otherwise I ain't clarifyin nuttin.

Now why did YOU claim neighbors with CMAR when CMAR didn't flip scum Neighbor, we HAD a mason flip, and you said "There are no neighbors, that's why DGB is scum" HUH?

HUH!?!?

That's the icing on the dgb-scum cake. I did the "scumslip in neighbor QT" gambit in my last game with dgb, accusing one of her scumbuddies. So she should have known it was fake this game. But she acted like she thought it was genuine and pushed for the socrates lynch, which makes no sense for town.

Vote:DrippingGoofBall

[Jack]

Also, just say what you meant by it.

[Jack]

I'm very confused. Why would scum inventor hand out a LOCUST DETECTOR? It makes no sense.

Are you her scumbuddy? You're beginning to sound like it.

[Jack]

Uh, no. I'm someone using common sense to go "Hey, why would scum inventor hand out one-shot investigations in a game that isn't bastardmod?"

So that when we try and lynch her the next day she can be like "oh look, I'm the town inventor".

[Jack]

Jack show me the meta please,

because CMAR didn't even claim WUT IM NOT A NEIGHBOR TO YOU????? And CC you or anything...

then again that falls in line with DGBscum as well because she woulda coached him to say nothing to set up the paranoia I'm feelin RITE NOW

Pledge of allegiance, theme park.

cmar's lack of CC was very interesting. I figured he was either being bussed, or soc was scum with him and they were going to try and jump on the "but CMAR didn't flip neighbor!" thing the next day, which soc promptly did.

[Jack]

If there's no double voter, then scum were probably planning on lynching Soc yesterday.

[Jack]

I just went back and checked. I did get a PM for another Locust Detector. DGB, did you send both of them to me?

OH WAIT YOUR GAMBIT JUST BACKFIRED

Uh? No. I actually did nothing Day 1, I went to Toronto and didn't get an action in time.

She already claimed no.

Let's just lynch DGB, I skimmed over D2 and didn't see anything like scum trying to push a soc lynch, only thing I noticed was BC saying "gosh this wagon blew up fast :/" but not unvoting.

[Jack]

I would not be surprised if xReck is scum with DGB. This "mod implied in the pm that I'd gotten one before/I'll pm the mod/Oh wait I found it" stuff is just ridiculous.

[Jack]

DGB is the lynch for today.

[Jack]

I only sent one.

Oh my gosh, xReck totally caught dgb out on a lie, he must not be her scum buddy then.

[Jack]

DGB are you scum or what?

xReck basically counterclaimed her and all she said was "I only sent one".

[Jack]

I am good with my vote on Reck.

<3

How does reck-scum make sense without dgb-scum? I can't see it...

[Jack]

I am good with my vote on Reck.

<3

How does reck-scum make sense without dgb-scum? I can't see it...

I ask you the same question. I'm town. What's up with Reck, then?

His claim doesn't make sense with you town, therefore you are scum.

[Jack]

No, but I'm town. So. You have to revise your assumptions. They are wrong.

Why would I, if I were scum, declare that I sent him one, if I had sent him two? You have blinders on.

Because he's your partner and this way he "catches" you.

[Jack]

I think Jack is scum that "caught" CMAR.

They weren't neighbors. And CMAR never denied it. Which he would have, at some point.

vote: Jack

DGB, I pulled the same stunt in our last game. You were scum with the person I accused too. Why wouldn't CMAR deny it if we were scum together?

******

I believe I'm lynched already.

Not unless we have BC is the double voter. Which it seems like he isn't.

*****

I asked with the mod and he said I was supposed to have received a BP vest.

[Jack]

DGB, quit pretending to be dead.

[Jack]

DGB, quit pretending to be dead.

So that you can pull "look I was lynched, therefore everything I say is trustworthy!" shenanigans.

dgb claim:
d1: didn't send in orders before going v/la
d2: gave xreck an investigation for some reason

BC:
d1: gave xreck an investigation for some reason
d2: gave me bulletproof after cmar flipped scum

BC counterclaimed dgb at a point when dgb was heading for a lynch. If dgb were to flip town, that would paint a target on BC. So there is no reason to do that when he could have just kept his mouth shut.

Cut and dry. Don't know how xreck fits in now.

@jack...

You were supposed to receive it? i assume the mod forgot since it's nearly a seamless transition between night and day.
I sent the vest to jack because I didn't want him to be night killed obviously.

I hadn't gotten a pm so I asked him if I was supposed to receive it and he said yes. I assume that means I also actually received it.

[Jack]

I know who I'm investigating tonight, that's for sure.

BC *has* to be town if you flip inventor because, uh, how else did I get that second Locust Investigation thing?

WIFOMWIFOMWIFOM.

this assumes you DID get a 'second locust investigation thing'.. which you could easily be making up to cover for your buddy BC.

I got an item from BC.

[Jack]

Notice that he didn't give the investigation to Jack, who had "caught" CMAR.

But he did give him BP the next night.

I think jack is a scum gambit.

Unvote:
Vote: Jack

Jack is town because there is no scum motive for such a gambit. No reward, high risk. I believe his suspicions are absolutely genuine - and probably correct.

She believes that I am town and right that Soc and CMAR are scum. She is so sure that soc is scum that she is persistently voting him over CMAR. But she doesn't send me an investigation? She goes v/la for 3 days and doesn't send one?

[Jack]

kunkstar may be scum as well. But that can wait for tomorrow.

[Jack]

She believes that I am town and right that Soc and CMAR are scum. She is so sure that soc is scum that she is persistently voting him over CMAR. But she doesn't send me an investigation? She goes v/la for 3 days and doesn't send one?

Jesus. I didn't send an action. I stopped reading the game, awaiting replacement.

So you didn't send an action because you thought you'd be replaced before the day ended?

[Jack]

Also, I completely stopped caring, because the atmosphere was so unpleasant.

You asked for replacement on D2, which was the day you've said you sent an action in.

[Jack]

Votecount

DGB (4): Fate, Jack, kunkstar7, BloodCovenent
xRECKONERx (2): ReaperCharlie, DGB

Not Voting (4): xRECKONERx, Slicey, MehPlusRawr, Karma

2 more on DGB. From the looks of things it's going to have to be karma and reaper. Well, who knows what xReck is going to do I guess.

[Jack]

The collective IQ here is in the double digits.

Say that when you can count to 6

[Jack]

unvote

Fates last 4 are scummy. rereading.

[Jack]

How does having 2 town inventors work with the flavor again?

[Jack]

Also reaper, are you really thinking dgb is town because of her "twilight play" still?

[Jack]

Sounds like Reck is confused, and probably only got one, and fantasizing about having received two.

Sounds implausible. Sounds like dgb pretending like she thinks she's the only town inventor.

Because the Locust thingie, that's definitely from me. If someone else is distributing parcels, it wouldn't be another Locust gadget.

Errm, how so? Especially since she denies all flavor knowledge in the next post:

I have no idea what stranded is and how well or poorly it fits. That's what I am and I am town. That is all I know about this gibberish game you kids like to play.

I think I did say inventor in my paraphrase.

You have 4 items, I have three.

SCUM.

Nonsensical. Why would scum have more items exactly? He has a pistol and a BP vest where you have a switcher (both have investigate and roleblock). If you are town inventor, why does the scum inventor have a BP vest? So that they aren't nightkilled by...who? And they have a vig to hand out as well?

Jack, you're not getting NK'd. You're not scaring anybody. Your concern sounds a little bit fake.

And magicallly Jack's buddy BC gives him a bulletproof vest?

BTW, I don't have a BP vest in my arsenal.

I have an investigation, a roleblock, and a bus-drive.

What on earth are you saying? That quote is from day one, where BC gave xReck the investigation. He sent me the BP vest the next day after I had caught cmar. What is "btw, I don't have a BP vest in my arsenal" supposed to imply?

***************

Vote:DGB

My reread turns up a mountain of dgb scumminess and nothing on fate. He agreed with me earlier when I said scum could have an investigation to send so I don't know why he invented the "xReck must have told her" business.

We have two inventors, I think that's clear enough. I don't think we have two town inventors, and dgb has acted very much like a scum inventor.

D1 she sent an item to a scumbuddy. There is no way town-dgb didn't send an item day 1. Her defense on this point is that she "must have just forgot". No. D2 she sent an investigation to xReck (or not, if he is actually scum--she could have sent him anything in that case). This makes no sense either. xReck is one of the last people you send a 1-shot investigation too, dgb should know that. BC had less to go on D1 and seemed friendly with xReck in some of his comments.

It's no different than having a claimed roleblocker who says he blocked two obv-town players. He's obviously the scum roleblocker. DGB is obviously the scum inventor.

[Jack]

Not at all... never was. Lol what do you think I am, retarded?

I knew it DGB but I wasn't online when they threw the last few votes

Plus if you flip town (which by your twilight play I'm kinda convinced you might), just know that I was voting xReck too and your death will not be in vain.

jk. it probably will. This town is so f*cking dense.

[Jack]

How does having 2 town inventors work with the flavor again?

Well the stranded took whatever they could get from anything. From Locust and humans alike. They lived in little ghettos across the world that were barely fortified. I can't specifically see Franklin Tsoko as an inventor because he was the leader of the stranded in the ghetto "Fucked" i believe. What i can't see, unless DGb is playing dumb is how could she have come up with a fake claim like that without the aid of someone who knows at least something about the game. That, or she actually researched the game. I could see RC-scum protecting her/helping her. After all, he was the one with the link to the stranded wiki page.

RC is mason.

Scum can daytalk. DGB scum would have her fakeclaim ready on D1. The stranded stuff isn't terribly relevant, since we only have her word for it.

[Jack]

But... in DGB's defense.... why would she claim it... if there was a thought that someone would CC it?

^^^ and this isn't even the smallest hint that I can only be town... only everyone has got blinders on, and no one is using their brains.

Why would she have thought there was someone to contradict it? That's only if xReck is scum and is also lying about not having noticed the pm. DGB had her back to the wall and needed a claim, she would be lynched way before now if she hadn't.

The theories that I be in cahoots with cRECK as especially preposterous, topped with allegations of daytalk. I can't understand why some players can wrap their minds around the notion that two daytalking scumz would come up with contradictory stories, then stick to them. There's something very wrong with any player willing to consider something so completely absurd, like, they have a scum wincon.

xReck can be innocent. But you would be forced to have contradicting stories if you were scum together. xReck

did

receive a package from BC, and you, if you were town,

couldn't possibly know about it

and so you would have to contradict him. You couldn't possibly have claimed to send both packages, and he couldn't possible have claimed to receive only one.

Basing a vote on the basis that I neglected to send in a choice on a game that disgusted me so much that I eventually wanted to be replaced, me, who is know not to request replacements, is nuts. It's the flimsiest of reasons - one that I can see a scum hang on to, because the sheep might follow.

Notice that he didn't give the investigation to Jack, who had "caught" CMAR.

But he did give him BP the next night.

I think jack is a scum gambit.

Unvote:
Vote: Jack

Jack is town because there is no scum motive for such a gambit. No reward, high risk. I believe his suspicions are absolutely genuine - and probably correct.

She believes that I am town and right that Soc and CMAR are scum. She is so sure that soc is scum that she is persistently voting him over CMAR. But she doesn't send me an investigation? She goes v/la for 3 days and doesn't send one?

She believes that I am town and right that Soc and CMAR are scum. She is so sure that soc is scum that she is persistently voting him over CMAR. But she doesn't send me an investigation? She goes v/la for 3 days and doesn't send one?

Jesus. I didn't send an action. I stopped reading the game, awaiting replacement.

So you didn't send an action because you thought you'd be replaced before the day ended?

Also, I completely stopped caring, because the atmosphere was so unpleasant.

Also, I completely stopped caring, because the atmosphere was so unpleasant.

You asked for replacement on D2, which was the day you've said you sent an action in.

You asked for replacement on D2, which was the day you've said you sent an action in.

Then I must have simply forgot.

I think too few people have played with scum who will repeatedly and emphatically say something they know is false. Like "I didn't send an action because I wanted to be replaced". That was D2, and the lack of action-sending was supposed to be D1.

[Jack]

Jack, honestly, I keep getting the willies that DGB is actually town for a reason nobody has mentioned here.

DGB knows she has no good answer for not sending an action on D1. If you are town you send one by at least midway through the day, just in case it ends quickly. If you are going V/LA when the town is in lynching mode you send in your action. If you believe that jack is town, cmar is scum, and soc is scum (which dgb said) you send a locust detector to jack. If you are scum you send an ability to your scumbuddy, and have to make up a reason for why you didn't send an action. So you say it was because you were going to replace out. Except that was D2, not D1. On D2, where she says she was too annoyed with the game to read or send in orders, she also claimed to have sent an order. She claims to have sent it to xReck after the mod revealed that Socrates had been lynched with one less vote than normal because she assumed that xReck was the town double voter for quickhammering socrates.

QED.

[Jack]

Jack.

My

desire

to leave the game

preceeded

my announcement that I wanted to be replaced. I stopped caring. I didn't care who was town and who was scum. I blocked this accursed game from my mind, with its Fate/Reck pissing contest,

No you didn't. You were very cheerful and doing rereads on people before your v/la. What I assume is the fate/reck pissing contest was on day 2.

If I wanted to credibly account for a Day 1 choice to a buddy (no, that's not a "slip"), I would say I sent it to you, and everyone would think I was jailed, roleblocked, whatever, and create confusion. The very fact that I chose to expose my continuing neglect of the game is in consideration for the truth to be out.

No they wouldn't they would think you were lying, I would have certainly, I've seen scum get away with the "I was roleblocked!" bs. It isn't a good excuse.

I sent in the order on Day 2 in time, ONLY because the mod gave an extension for the quicklynch. Otherwise, there would be no Day 2 action from me, either. Then I made the quickest decision possible.

Why the "quickest decision possible"? You could have thought about it for 30 more seconds.

[Jack]

Jack dammit.

IF you're town.

Stop tunneling.

I didn't send in a Day 1 action. I really didn't. Get over it. I'm not scum. I really don't know what else to say.

Why would I think that BC-scum-inventor gave me a bullet proof vest? And counterclaimed town-dgb-inventor? And claim to have a pistol to give away?

I don't believe two town inventors. A vig, a BP, 2 roleblocks, 2 investigates, and bus drive to be handed out to the town? In addition to masons and a watcher? And that's only the known roles.

Your actions fit scum-inventor perfectly. You were even scummy enough to lynch before this whole business, for hounding socrates over cmar because of the "he's more likely to be a scum pr" crap reasoning (that you had no excuse for).

[Jack]

This game has a lot of dead weight.

unvote

Karma and kunkstar, pretend there's no votes and make a case on someone.

(not even going to try mehplus)

[Jack]

Fate is being very scummy. Kunk seems more horribly misguided than scum to me.

[Jack]

Vote:Fate

[Jack]

unvote

Quit switching back and forth from scummy sounding to town sounding Fate.

If DGB was doing a "make a lot of noise to distract people" strategy then it really worked.

[Jack]

Someone better at setup analysis than me tell me the odds of two town inventors. Ignoring flavor as irrelevant.

[Jack]

Vote:DGB

Mass claim could confirm no-two-town inventors but I think watcher + masons makes it too packed already. Those both combine will with inventor.

BC, not a scumslip, though I wonder if DGB was lying earlier about never having seen a role that could lower lynch threshold by one.

[Jack]

Yeah, that dgb claim is a priority, are you kidding reaper?

[Jack]

@ mod, should we look forward to a mod kill? Or should we let this one finish out?

I don't think that

really

qualifies as "faking breaking a rule". That's more like when scum pretend to quote their doctor pm, they don't get let off because they aren't actually a doctor.

[Jack]

DGB is claiming different alignments from a town mason

[Jack]

You missed DGB being obvscum and not scumhunting at all, and playing stupid with regards to a scumclaim,

Etc.

"I didn't send in orders because I was in toronto"
"I didn't send in orders because I was going to replace out"
"I must have just forgot"
"I didn't send in orders because I was going to replace out"
"I really really just didn't send in orders"

[Jack]

Actually,

Unvote; Vote: Jack

Since I suppose I won't be targeted for a nightkill anyway, I'll claim. Vanilla COG. I made up the neighbors thing because soc and cmar were obvscum and you guys were doing random bandwagon bs. Now vote DGB.

preview:

Dominic Santiago, Vanilla COG.

[Jack]

3 out of the 4 scum were trying to mislynch me (as the town vig) in stardust.

Read more of my town meta and then vote DGB:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 25&start=0
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 88&start=0
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... elect=3596

We need your vote reaper it's 6 to lynch.

[Jack]

My flavor is very interesting actually. Reading it reminded me of dgb's claim:

I'm Franklin Tsoko, Dom Santiago is a friend of mine, apparently his wife got lost and I helped find her, but I like the faszists better then the
Locusts, so blah blah, something about fixing my junker, my faction is Human, whatever that means.

I'm Dom

inic

Santiago, no mention of Franklin, there's a tattoo of and stuff about my wife Maria, who I

want

to find.

How can dgb's role have helped me find my wife when I haven't found her?

[Jack]

nvm, you wanted faction flavor. I think it was already posted by someone. Banding together, survival, argue later.

[Jack]

It was posted by DGB so ignore the above stuff, scum have fakeclaims.

[Jack]

I posted about 50 times catching scum-dgb and now I'm waiting for her to be lynched. Why do you think dgb is town reaper?

Where did kise and sens disagree with me?

[Jack]

And it's becoming un-fun and starting to suck more than I like to say. I've never replaced out of a game before, but I'm seriously considering replacing out of this one. FFS, in the entire two game days (THREE WEEKS in real time) that my mason topic was open, neither my mason partner or his replacement made a single post.

Ouch, that sucks reaper. Mason is a great role, too bad we didn't end up being masons, we would have had a lot of fun chatting together. Please don't replace out though, I think I speak for everyone when I say you'd be sorely missed.

*vote dgb vote dgb vote dgb*

[Jack]

Go back and read page 32. You know what you'll see? We had figured out that DGB and xReck were scum together. ffd to page $* (<--CAN'T PUT 48 IN CAPS) and somehow we are no closer to a lynch on either of them.

xReck's putting dgb at l-1 and her going on to that long ridicilous thing where she pretended to have been lynched and convinced reaper that she was town because of "her twilight talk" or whatever he said.

Talk about unpleasant, 16 pages of not lynching obvious scum is unpleasant. Townies go down much much easier. Remember the Soc lynch? I said something like "I'm tired, vote:socrates he's scum with reaper" and he was lynched by the next page.

[Jack]

CMAR is definitely scummy for throwing out LOL SOCRATES IS SCUM then backpedalling.

...

I really really hate PBPAs, and CMAR pulls one here.

...

Starting to believe Jack's claims of CMARscum based on meta.

...

Problem is I think Karma's questioning of Charlie's refusal to scumhunt is kinda protown...

...

Someone *cough*REAPER*cough* explain to me why Karma is obvscum too.

VOTE: Karma

why not

I overdid the editing scissors a bit if you want to check his ISO yourself

Point stands however.

[Jack]

No lynch is no good.

We should lynch DGB. End of story.

That lurker push was so hilariously scummy.

[Jack]

I want everyone that votes for me to write what they'll do as a penance/apology/grovel-fest after I flip town.

Financial compensation welcome.

You refused to join my cult in PoA. I offered the hand of recruitment in good faith and you refused it.

[Jack]

Fate do you agree that if Reck is scum, that DGB is town?

Why do you think they can't be scum together?

[Jack]

I think DGB is scum and xReck has a good chance of being scum with her. If he's town she's still scum.

[Jack]

Why do you think she's scum?

In your own words. Without quoting previous posts.

Don't think there are two town inventors. And it's obvious just read her posts.

[Jack]

Why couldn't there be one COG inventor and one Stranded inventor?

Because then there would be two town inventors.

And didn't she claim inventor first, with a list of available items?

She's scum inventor.

Reaper the last reason I remember from you about why dgb was town was that you found her twilight talk convincing.

[Jack]

Also, I was right about DGB being scum last game, and wrong about xReck in gonzo where I found him extremely scummy.

[Jack]

So you don't think BloodCovenent could be lying?

Nope.

And if we lynch DGB and she flips town, who do we lynch then? You, Reck, or BC?

What if we lynch her and and you turn into a multi shot day killing jester cop miller vig?

[Jack]

How is what you just said helpful at all?

Answer my f*cking question. If DGB flipped town, who would be the lynch candidate?

---

And what do you think of Socrates flipping town? What do you think that does to your reputation?

Does you not agree that it makes it somewhat clear that your 'town gambit' of lying about neighboring with CMAR could have easily been a scum gambit of sacrificing one of your scumbuddies to the slaughter, so that everyone will sheep you from then on?

[Jack]

We need a goddam lynch already.

We've spun this out for like 20 pages now. Game is approaching "no way am I rereading this" length. Which is bad for town.

[Jack]

So if Reck got two Locust Detectors, one of which DGB claims to have given him, and one of which BC claims to have given him, what's the problem?

The Locust wouldn't be giving out Locust Detectors, and as far as I'm aware, there isn't some other super secret kind of scum other than Locust... (Kryll? heh)

Oh snap. I went to check the last game to see what powers the scum inventor had there. Check it out:

* Bulletproof: The player will gain one-shot immunity from kills (this is not a Roleblock-type effect).
* Governor (Special): The player may stop any voteable maneuver (Lynch, Revive, or Destroy) from resolving that Day. This action cannot stop the lynch of the user.
* Rolecop: The next Night the player may submit a Rolecop action.
* Roleblock: The next Night the player may submit a Roleblock action.
*

Votecount: The player may lower the threshold for a specific player for either Lynch, Revive, or Destroy one Day only..

DGB is scum inventor and gave this out d1 and they used it on Socrates.

xReck is probably scum with her. But her lynch really needs to happen by the next page.

[Jack]

Where the hell is Sajin anyway?

[Jack]

Wait....what game is that from? Why do you think it stands the same here?

It's perfect. DGB's bullshit excuses for not sending an invention day 1. The fact that socrates was an obvious lynch the next day. The fact that xReck and DGB were the two votes on Soc that hammered him before he could claim. That really sounds to me like the lynch threshold reducer was given out as a one-shot to one of the scum. They even voted within 10 minutes of each other.

[Jack]

Sajin is active elsewhere.

I have 100% verifiable meta of this.

Scum stalling to catch up means I'd be down with a Sajin lynch FO SHO

Lynch DGB. Lynch xReck. Lynch Sajin. Win.

[Jack]

I have zero interest in a lurker lynch.

[Jack]

Both of the night kill targets have been lurkers. Scum lurking and killing town lurkers for wifom? Lurking scum are too lazy to try and swing that.

[Jack]

Maybe that's why lurkers are being killed.

Townies tunneling on townies are too valuable, and can't be spared, so let's NK 3 posts, 10 words SensFan?

Is that why you killed him?

It's also becoming really tiresome to have every single post I write second-guessed.

[Jack]

Reaper is also lurking hardcore lately. I haven't seen a post of his for pages.

How many more votes do we need on DGB? Move back fate.

[Jack]

Reaper is also lurking hardcore lately. I haven't seen a post of his for pages.

His most recent post preceeded yours by 3 minutes.

I haven't seen a post from him in ages. I had a question for him to. Reaper, who do we lynch if the mod reveals that socrates was actually a survivor and cmar was a townie?

[Jack]

I'm real fucking pissed at the lurkers this game and their content, and I'm starting to see DGB's "unpleasantnesszzz" point of view that I didn't see before because I guess she's a girl or something and let's feeling dictate how much she tries.

DGB has been enjoying the hell out of this game, don't let her tell you different.

[Jack]

Alright I have a foolproof plan.

We know there is a lynch-threshold lowerer type role:

At the time, the numbers seemed spot on, but upon further inspection you notice an extra ballot for Socrates name in your death poll. Where could that have come from?!

Double voter doesn't seem likely because dgb and BC are the only possibles.

It's obv a scum role and was used on Soc day 1. They use it on whoever is likely to be lynched.

If it is a one shot, then it came from a scum inventor. Therefore we should lynch dgb.

And if it is multi shot, then scum used it on a townie who is likely to be lynched. I doubt it would have been used on anyone other than dgb or xReck in this scenario. DGB was already at l-1. So the plan is, we put xReck at l-1 and wait for the mod to post a vote count. If he isn't lynched, then either:

Scum didn't lower the threshold on xReck or dgb because they are scum
OR
It was a one shot = scum inventor = dgb-scum

I discounting the possibility of them using it on someone else because the probability is too slim.

[Jack]

It clearly says "extra ballot"

I mean I hate flavor analysis but come ON Jack.

Show me the numbers as to why only DGB and BC can be the scum DV

The other people were on the day 1 lynch which had normal numbers.

Yeah so there's a role which "extra ballot" parcel which is submitted privately.

[Jack]

One-shot extra-voter to kill the watcher seems plausible..
But that could be anyone so meh.

One-shot extra voting parcel handed out by scum inventor.

[Jack]

I'm terribly behind in this game and have no time to catch up. Can I get a tl;dr version of the last 30ish pages? <_<

Vote for dgb or die.

[Jack]

Reaper is still lurking.

[Jack]

@Mod: Requesting modkill on MehPlus and Sajin

@Reaper: Go fuck yourself

@Everyone else: Vote dgb and quit sucking all the fun out of this game

[Jack]

Hey Jack.

I have an idea for a penance for your wrongful and merciless pursuit and harassment of an innocent, after I flip town.

Next game we have together, you have to self-vote immediately if I request it, and say 'please.'

Deal is only if you're town. If you're scum, you're playing to your wincon and I'll forgive you. But if you're town, you gotta pay the piper.

Deal?

Tell me again how much you are hating this game for the fucking language.

[Jack]

Ugh, I have no interest in replacements for people who haven't posted AT ALL. The new guys might be nice and active but how do we judge them when they weren't around for the last 60 pages?

I'm tempted to outguess the mod and say that mpr is scum based on him not being modkilled.

[Jack]

I would like some lurker modkills. You can't replace people who haven't posted. It's impossible. Really you are just adding new players out of the blue.

[Jack]

How about we vote on a lurker modkill, then vote on a lynch?

Lmao that'd be twice as awesome as just abandoning the game, and then the people who care about the game would be more likely to get a win.

Sajin and Mehplus need to be killed for sure.

Karma, probably.

[Jack]

Neither of you mentioned DGB, hmmm...

We're lynching dgb remember. I think you ACCIDENTALLY voted someone else though, right?

[Jack]

Fate is being scummy again.

[Jack]

I don't think more than 1 of the lurkers is scum. That makes them a bad lynch.

Checking MehPlus, he had 175 posts in a 70 page game as SK. He has 11 here.

[Jack]

I would have to reread for fate.

I might go for xReck.

[Jack]

We could put xReck at L-2 and have dgb vote him to see if she's the double voter (BC too if you must). I don't think we exhausted that possibility exactly.

[Jack]

We should really be lynching an active lurker. Like Karma. Quick, iso him and tell me how that doesn't scream 'coasting scum'.

"Active" lurker? Are you kidding me?

[Jack]

unvote, vote:xReck

This is the first vote on him I think (counted back from last votecount page 47 or something).

Let's put him at 4 votes and then have dgb vote him.

[Jack]

I'm not a double-voter anything and I won't allow anyone to dictate where and when I vote.

Than what objection do you have to putting xreck at l-1 and proving it?

[Jack]

Like a scumbag could finish him off???

Good then we'll have caught a scum.

[Jack]

ACCIDENT AKA SCUM DOUBLEVOTER AKA YOU AKA YOU SCUM WITH RECK AKA LOL

[Jack]

DGB

THAT'S 4 ON xRECK

VOTE HIM, AND THEN UNVOTE RIGHT AWAY IN NEXT POST

THEN WE WAIT FOR MOD

NO SCUM QUICKHAMMER UNLESS YOU ARE DOUBLEVOTER

[Jack]

dgb, do it.

[Jack]

Actually, she has a point.

Unvote

Do it with a lurker.

FEELING AFRAID OF DEATH? DGB TALKED YOU OUT OF IT IN SCUM QT?

[Jack]

unvote, vote:DGB

Please let's do this and end this day.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:xReck

BC was possible earlier but I think he was voting dgb when dgb wasn't lynched.

[Jack]

No, BC was on the dgb wagon earlier when she wasn't hammered.

[Jack]

I'm assuming the listed number of votes was wrong and that it was 4.

[Jack]

unvote

vote count please :p

Although I swear we were all on the dgb wagon earlier.

[Jack]

DGB (4): Fate, Jack, kunkstar7, BloodCovenent

Must have been acquired during the daytime. Even when xReck was on this wagon it wasn't a lynch.

HAHAHA

dgb sent fate a double vote at some point.

That's

why she thought she was lynched. But the way it was set up, the double vote didn't apply till later?

Vote:DGB

[Jack]

Why did you think you were lynched?

[Jack]

Oh, it's quite possible that xReck just gets +1 regardless of who is voting him.

unvote, vote:xReck

Fate, unvote xReck and then Mod can we get a votecount please?

[Jack]

Ok, as I suspected. Reck was set to be lynched with one less vote.

But as no townie has yet claimed this ability, it must be a scum ability.

Taking xReck's "UNVOTE UNVOTE UNVOTE" from earlier I'm guessing he knew that his threshold had been reset? I'll have to reread that. But Socrates gave no indication of knowing it. The only way xReck should know it is if he was told. And if he was told then it was done by his scumbuddy for, I suppose, some wifom. DGB would be the assumed partner given her reluctance to vote xReck.

[Jack]

hmm, yeah, lynch threshold lowerer doesn't make sense with the way the votes are being displayed, hidden voter is more likely.

[Jack]

DGB (4): Fate, Jack, kunkstar7, BloodCovenent
xRECKONERx (2): ReaperCharlie, DGB

From earlier. The vote can be sent in and take effect during the day evidently--because xReck is still at 2 votes.

If fate, myself, kunk, or BC had it, and dgb was town, we would have sent it in on her. Hell, if any scum had it they would have sent it in on dgb-town.

unvote, vote:DGB

Her pretend freakout about acting like she'd been lynched is too cute given what we know, and there's no way she's town and didn't get hidden voted.

[Jack]

dgb you're proven scum, give up.

[Jack]

DGB (4): Fate, Jack, kunkstar7, BloodCovenent
xRECKONERx (2): ReaperCharlie, DGB

From earlier. The vote can be sent in and take effect during the day evidently--because xReck is still at 2 votes.

If fate, myself, kunk, or BC had it, and dgb was town, we would have sent it in on her. Hell, if any scum had it they would have sent it in on dgb-town.

unvote, vote:DGB

Her pretend freakout about acting like she'd been lynched is too cute given what we know, and there's no way she's town and didn't get hidden voted.

ANOTHER TIDBIT

[Jack]

DGB (4): Fate, Jack, kunkstar7, BloodCovenent
xRECKONERx (2): ReaperCharlie, DGB

From earlier. The vote can be sent in and take effect during the day evidently--because xReck is still at 2 votes.

If fate, myself, kunk, or BC had it, and dgb was town, we would have sent it in on her. Hell, if any scum had it they would have sent it in on dgb-town.

unvote, vote:DGB

Her pretend freakout about acting like she'd been lynched is too cute given what we know, and there's no way she's town and didn't get hidden voted.

HMM, MORE TIDBITS

[Jack]

Why in gods name are you guys voting fate. You honestly think he wouldn't have put an extra vote on dgb and gotten her lynched?

[Jack]

If dgb is town then why didn't the secret voter set his vote to her when it was obv that she was going to be wagoned?

Gears of War Mafia (

Day 3

) 1 ... 63, 64, 65 1622
Star Wars Mafia (

Day 8

) 1 ... 63, 64, 65 1603

LET'S GET THIS DONE, VOTE DGB

[Jack]

Reaper, we have 5 votes on dgb, you can hammer. FIND A FUNNY PICTURE AND DO IT

[Jack]

OH WAIT.

IF THE VOTE MANIP IS A SCUM ABILITY WHY ISNT SCUM USING IT NOW?!?!? LOLOLOL

Are you claiming to have it?

[Jack]

no, lol

why would i have a double vote, rofl. i am a mason

It sounded like you were claiming to have it with the sarcasm there.

Scum could switch it to dgb and lynch her if she were town, therefore she isn't. This is the 2nd chance for that even. I suppose kunk and fate haven't checked in yet, but they were both there last time she was put at l-1.

[Jack]

Or we can wagon kunk.

Would you like to wagon kunk?

[Jack]

dgb really loves being scum

[Jack]

MODKILL THE LURKERS DON'T REPLACE THEM

jesus

It doesn't help the game to add two new players on day 4.

[Jack]

For secret reasons which I might be able to reveal soon, I strongly suspect Fate.

Vote:Fate

Unrelated to those reasons, why did you say "sens only breadcrumb was calling me obv-town" way back when?

[Jack]

I'M STILL NOT ANSWERING THAT QUESTION JACK. UNLESS YOU CAN COME UP WITH SCUM MOTIVATION TO COUNTER-CLAIM MASON D3

What's the town motivation?

ALSO THE FASTER YOU REVEAL YOUR SECRET BS THE FASTER I CAN CALL BULLSHIT.

It has to wait, slightly out of my control.

QUIT DICKIN AROUND JACK. NOW THAT DGB HAS BEEN REVEALED TO BE TOWN ALL HER TELLS ON KUNK HAVE SURFACED AS RELIABLE.

Kunk can you update us on your thoughts about the nightkill choices? That was a scummy thing you said yesterday.

[Jack]

Post #675 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:01 pm
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Socrates (4): Jack, Fate, ReaperCharlie, BloodCovenent
Jack (2): Socrates, Karma
ReaperCharlie (1): xRECKONERx

no secret vote yet

7 hours later:

#685 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:02 am
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Socrates (7): Jack, Fate, ReaperCharlie, BloodCovenent, DGB, xRECKONERx

Posts in between the two (confirmed active): dgb xreck dgb BC kunk soc xReck xReck Karma


DGB wagon:

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DGB (4): Fate, Jack, kunkstar7, BloodCovenent

(was 5 with xReck at one point)


http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2344831

Kunk posted when dgb was at l-1. xReck posted.

I was thinking maybe karma, but he seems like he flaked out of the game and wouldn't have been there to put the vote on xReck. Same with mehplus. Reaper is mason.

Do you agree with my analysis fate?

[Jack]

Maybe the double vote stuff is just a false trail. That wasn't my "secret reason" though.

Doc claim is a terrible idea, but it seems genuine and towny. Fate's reaction is scummy.

[Jack]

Jack+Reck is possible.

Jack explain how my reaction is scummy. His claimed actions and the fact he claimed was dumb.

Because kunk isn't scummy. "dumb" isn't scummy, especially when mafia have daytalk.

[Jack]

JACK I WANT YOUR GODDAMNED SCUMLIST WHO AM I SUPPOSEDLY BUDDIES WITH?

xReck
haylen
mehplus
fate

Are the only options for scum from my pov...not thinking kunk is scum. I doubt it's xReck. He was close to being secret vote mislynched. I remember saying that it could have been a mafia ploy based on the timing yesterday, but I was sure dgb was scum at the time so I'd have to reread.

haylen has been pretty scummy in here two posts.

[Jack]

@haylen: I'll get to that in a bit. Who's your top suspect?


Kunk could be scum if he's the mafia doctor. I would have to recheck that. I can't see scum completely fakeclaiming doctor, but I could see that.

[Jack]

town watcher
2 masons
inventor--bulletproof, cop, 1-shot vig, 1-shot roleblock
1-shot busdriver and inventor--cop, 1-shot roleblock

and

town doctor?

No that's seeming very implausible. Doc + watcher is a nasty combo. And with all the other roles I'm going to say kunk is scum.

Now who would tell him to claim doc? I will have to reread kunk.

[Jack]

If fate's role is true then that makes town doctor even more implausible.

I will be very happy if it's kunk-haylen-mehplus actually.