Mini 991 - POWERFUL WIZARD MAFIA (GAME)

[Budja]

so nobody has any omgus reasons to keep their vote on me

This even makes me cringe. You have a chance to improve. Use it.

@Karma, too many if's. Parama/Gamma's abilitys are more awesome and require less apprentices.
Also don't we had 4 apprentices? Emp's death leaves 3 IIRC.

[Karma]

AH you're right I keep forgetting about Suave.

[Andrius]

Dram's got a point though. Guild Marks make us revert to Apprentices, so.

It might be useful.

Karma/Andy neighborhood FTW.

[Parama]

AH you're right I keep forgetting about Suave.

^this is a problem
MrSuave needs to post content, replace out, or die. I've said this before, and I'll say it again. The same goes for anyone who's lurking in this game (Emp, dram, Budja to a lesser degree).

[ReaperCharlie]

Neighbor me instead, Andrius. You won't regret it.

P.S. July 5th is the deadline which gives me an entire 3-day weekend to re-read and scumhunt.

Anyone who hammers me is obviously afraid of me hunting for them, and are therefore obvscum.

I urge anyone who's town and wants to WIN, to unvote me.

That is all.

My post will be incoming, before Monday. Likely before Sunday.

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, my reasoning is I was writing a sh*tload of flavor for my own mini-theme game that I'm modding, and I have been slacking off in all my games. Now it's started, all the role PMs are out, and I finally have time to PLAY games now. [/lame excuse]

Pro-tip:

This game does NOT follow my meta for town OR scum, usually I try a lot harder as both. Those who know me know that. Any ongoing games do not count, cause as I said, I was slacking off in all of them.

[Andrius]

Neighbor me instead, Andrius. You won't regret it.

First off, I'd need two apprentices, which isn't going to happen. Two, I still think you're scum.
But I must admit, as I said D1, having any sort of QT with you would be amazing.

[ReaperCharlie]

I'll use my guild mark and then apprentice you. Easy.

And I'm not scum.... sooo.... yea

[Andrius]

You're willing to use your G.M. just to be neighbors with me?
That seems a bit unlikely.

[Empking]

Gamma, are you really accusing me of having no opinions while hopping and sheeping onto my wagon?

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

What do you all think of 1 apprentice - Gamma, 2 - Parama for tonight?

I would definently like Parama to recieve two apprentices. It should really help out the town and cut down on Night Kills. I do have a bad feeling about Gammagooey have even one apprentices, thought.

MrSuave needs to post content, replace out, or die.

Agree that MrSuave needs to post contents or die, but this game doesn't allow replacements.

[ReaperCharlie]

You're willing to use your G.M. just to be neighbors with me?
That seems a bit unlikely.

Yea, I'd do it. Then I'd also be a much less likely target for an NK.

[Gammagooey]

Oh hey I have internet back.

Hey SSBF, if you think I'm scum please say why, I'd appreciate that a lot more than OH NOES WE BETTER NOT GIVE HIM APPRENTICE.
Also, you should use your guild mark (Heart of Stone) on Parama today (as in you need to PM SpyreX about it before the lynch goes through) I doubt that you'll be getting any more apprentices and Parama is pretty much more useful than you are in every way.

Gamma, are you really accusing me of having no opinions while hopping and sheeping onto my wagon?

Considering that you haven't said SHIT about what your read is on anyone and why, and the post that you supposedly started a wagon with is completely devoid of any reasoning for why Reaper is scum,

ASctually I'll just.

Vote: RC

WHY YES, you don't have any godamn opinions. Would you like to hear mine?

My opinion is that you and Reaper are useless scummy pieces of crap and the more you and Reaper spout huffy excuses and ridiculous WIFOM respectively instead of actually stating who's scum and why, the less I care about this game and who gets lynched today. In fact.

Unvote

Hey Parama

, I'm psuedo-proxying my vote to you for the rest of the day, assuming that you choose one of {RC, Empking, MrSuave, SSBF} for the lynch. Vote one and I'll follow without question.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ya know,

CONTENT-O-METER

TM probably isn't a good idea to be doing for practically everyone in the game. I feel like it will get mostly ignored if it becomes a theme. Let me just give a rundown of quick mostly one-liner thoughts on everyone.

Empking- Meta says scum so far, but it's early, so hard to tell.
Parama- Actually looks town for once.
TheButtonmen-I wanted to say town until I looked at him in ISO just now. I think the early wagon got to me. Looks scummy in ISO.
Karma-Giving off massive towntells with almost every post.
Budja-I'm seeing town. Mostly because of the "mild gut town" reads.
Super Smash Bros. Fan-Posts seem carefully worded which is a playstyle that tends to throw me off. Seems to be my polar opposite as far as playstyles. Gonna be a tough cookie to read here.
Dramonic- Wow his ISO looks so bad. Prime candidate for a vig shot.
ReaperCharlie-Town. Meta.
Andrius-I think I've said enough here. DIESCUMDIE
MrSuave-See Dramonic.
Gammagooey-Obvtown
Kmd4390-Obvtown.

So this game can be separated into three groups. AWESOMETOWN, DIESCUM, USELESSLURKERDIEDIEDIE.

AWESOMETOWN:
Parama
Karma
Budja (Subject to change)
Reap
Gamma
Kmd

DIESCUM:
Emp
Smash Bros (Subject to change)
Andrius

USELESSLURKERDIEDIEDIE:
Dramonic
Suave
Button (Subject to change)

Just figured I'd bring this post up again, for good measure, before I get on with the rest of my re-read.

Remember, Kmd flipped town so.... these are true reads and this is goodposting.

[ReaperCharlie]

And while I'm at it, (re-reading, that is, this is AWESOMEposting). How was TBM lynched and not Karma, after this post?

PS goes first-Sorry about this being wallish, but it's important and quite probably the only wall I'm going to make for a while, so please bear with it.

Yesssssssssssssssss I finally got what I was waiting for and can explain why Karma is pretty much guaranteed scum at this point. (I'm fully expecting RC's daykill to be fake I just wanted to see if Karma would actually react if several people indicated that they thought he was dying)

Let's go over Karma's play shall we?

His first actually suspicious post-

So this is L-2. Buttonmen, anything to say?

Doesn't ask for a claim or any specific info, and when pressured gives a few questions to TBM after the fact, and proceeds to crazy overreact to Parama's vote on him. I don't see his "I'm lazy" as a towntell, especially as he was on just minutes before the question was asked and may have felt pressured to answer quickly because of it, with having "I'm lazy" being the best answer he could think of in a short amount of time.

The part I was waiting for-

Do you still care about what Button thinks of his earlier wagon?

Yes. Very much so, actually.

And yet immediately after TBM posts without

ever mentioning

his wagon, in his next post he not only completely ignores that TBM hasn't answered his earlier questions but doesn't even have him on his scumlist. This is because he doesn't actually care about the answers to his earlier questions, and made them up pretty much just to avoid suspicion and try to look like he's scumhunting.

BUT THAT'S NOT ALL.

No, my vote is not OMGUS. You presented a case based on a misunderstanding - that was that. I cleared it up. The issue should have been taken care of right then and you should have moved on. Calling me hypocritical for asking for analysis from TBM on PAGE FUCKING 2 is fucking scummy. Why don't you attack Andrius - all he's done is ask questions. Why don't you attack 3/4 of the players here for "not providing any analysis"?

In this quote, you see Karma only actually bringing up other suspects because he's being attacked. He had never brought up Andrius before, he hasn't said that Andrius was scummy before, he's just trying to make Parama's attack seem weaker and get rid of attention by pointing out "heeeeeey look there are other scummy guys why aren't you attacking theeeeem"

And Finally

However, I slept on it, and I realized my frustration with Parama makes this really feel like town on town. Parama's attacks are wrong and horribly misguided but he's trying, which I can't say for most of the town.
UNVOTE: Parama

Not only does Karma back off of his suspicion when it's repeated that his Parama suspicion is dumb, but in the post he doesn't say that he just thinks Parama is town now, He states

That his own interaction with another player is town on town

. There is no reason to do this except to put in a subtle "oh hey guys I'm town" into his read of Parama, which should not be a concern of an actual townie.


Once again, sorry about the wall, but Karma is scum. Thank you and good night.

Thank you and good night, indeed.

[Parama]

Yes Kmd was town, and yes that means his reads are really his reads, but that doesn't mean they're right.

[ReaperCharlie]

Don't argue with me, Parama. It'll get you lynched, or worse.

So, Andrius, no comment on my last post?

Your scumhunting efforts are crap. Let's look at your suspects, shall we?

RC: Someone who's acting scummy, obviously on purpose. You say he's acting out of character, when earlier, you said this:

RC is acting like RC does.

Yeah. And your case on RC (your number one suspect) is still based entirely on meta, which is not something to build an entire case on. It can be supplementary, but that's about it.

Budja: Lurker. Not necessarily a scumtell, but lurkers make easy targets for scum to pick on when they don't want to actually try and scumhunt.

TBM: Andrius says he's active lurking, even though Buttons has 13 posts and Andrius has 14, with about 1/3 of them being fluff. So for him to call out Buttons for active lurking is again, quite hypocritical.

Andrius- Noooot really who I was expecting. So why aren't you voting...any of them?

And then there's this, which is a great point.

Guys, deadline's in two days and we need to lynch Andrius ASAP. If you don't understand my case or don't agree with it, please tell me because just ignoring it is the wrong thing to do at this point.

This is also a pretty awesome post. I'm starting to think better of Karma by this point, and all roads lead to Andrius being scum.

Not just this. Loads of other stuff. Like, I'm not even going to begin to explain it, cause it'd take too long. But, quite a bit.

Unvote; Vote: Andrius

<-actual first serious vote

I expect anyone who wants a serious lynch this weekend to re-read the thread, watch for Andrius' interactions with other players, and get on this wagon pronto.

Anyone who does not, I will consider scum trying to save their buddy (that, or a huge pussy).

[ReaperCharlie]

I'M ALIVE, OH MY FREAKIN GOD.

Now then. I don't like this situation. Suave, Budja and Emp are pretty content-dead (so am I, but you know...) Pretty null though, I've seen both Suave and Budja do it. Suave's right about the whole late FE hero thingy
Question: Does Emp always post this low content?

Button is not quite as bad, but I'm used to his posting style anyways, so it's all good.

Andrius and Karma is a freakin hell to make out. Both are being real scummy, but there's just no way in HELL they're scum together @_@. It's making me cringe

Karma: His bickering with Parama is terribad. Face it Karma, your early posts surrounding TBM were scummy, your dropping off him now that he's not being wagonned anymore is scummy, your going "omg parama is so dumb and mean and omghs" is scummy.
Andrius: I read your posts. Once I was done, I still didnt know what you were thinking. Care to actually develop an opinion or something instead of playing echo?

SSBF's play isn't exactly what I'd call protown, but arguably he's a newb and my gut is writing a giant "TOWN!" on him

ReaperCharlie... Erm... What the hell is wrong with you?

Parama, Gammagooey, Kmd4390's post I like. Three of them are vastly superior in protowness than the rest of the players in this game.

Oh, why hello there Auntie IIoA, how's it going?

Here is another scum. Also, a huge amount of gut based on playing multiple times with dramonic.

You're welcome, guys.

[dramonic]

Actually RC, I was giving my opinion on the players, not trying to make you people discover anything.
And at the very least it's uncle.

[ReaperCharlie]

Here are my reads and thoughts on players after a re-read (up to page 17):

(feels town)

-gamma (overall helpful tone, i like how he's been handling pressure on him, esp from tbm and such. also, i love 363)
-mrsuave (this cat is town. the 'why' is secret for now, i'll divulge my reasoning later if it becomes useful)
-budja (feels townie when he posts. 362 in particular. his v/la was lame, but.. w/e, what can you do)
-parama (polarized w/karma early on... and i don't like 276. feels like he's trying too hard to be townie. earlier on i had a town read but i moved him here because he got worse and worse.. and then.... 384. wow. k he's town now)

(conflicting)

-ssbf (seems kinda VI, but kinda town-ish)
-karma (seemed very scummy at first, and i didn't much like the way he handled his L-2 wagon on D1, but ... it wasn't terrrrrrible. kinda inclined to think he's town but something keeps me from putting him in that category)

(scummy)

-andrius (trying to look innocent, not being too helpful - mostly early on. also, he ays 'RC is acting like RC does' but then later jumps on my back for lack of content... this is grade A backtracking, folks, no matter HOW worthless I was being. alllllso, he tries to handle pressure on him by ignoring it. huge scumtell in my book. also, helloooo fishing in 374)
-dram (gut, and other secret reasons which i will reveal later if they are appropriate. REMEMBER I SAID THIS. also, 370 is trying sooooo hard to look town, but in reality gives off huuuuge scumvibes to my noggin. 383 is really bad too, for the same reasons.)

(no idea..?)

-empking (not talking enough)

(town - dead)

-thebuttonmen (what the #@%$ was up with his tunneling on gamma? i didn't get that at all. didn't seem very intuitive)
-kmd4390 (mr. shining town himself. too bad the scum chose to kill him. he was pretty awesome, and smart, and sexy)

notes:

kmd (confirmed town) suspected ssbf, andrius. probably right about andrius.
kmd (confirmed town) has town read on karma. i tend to think he was actually right, but you never know.
tbm (confirmed town) suspected gamma. a lot. but i think he was tunneling, and wrong. he's also wrong about andrius.
karma is either self-righteous town, or bold scum. either way, he's making a convincing play for being townie.


IMPORTANT: if andrius is scum, karma and ssbf are town. no buts. and (surprise, surprise), those two are the ones in my list, so we're lynching andrius first, and if he flips scum, they're basically confirmed town in my eyes, and then we look at dram.

[ReaperCharlie]

P.S. In case you guys didn't get the idea:

[Budja]

Excellent.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Andrius

Gut still tells me Emp is more likely scum but I like your reminder point re. Andrius connection's.

[Andrius]

RC is definitely the lynch for today, though I could settle with Empking/Suave if need be.

RC compiled a half-ass case that was made using other people's posts. So even in his "something satisfactory" post he uses other people's arguments. He goes through page 26 quoting massive blocks of text from Gamma, Kmd, and Karma, without providing substancial content of his own, besides his own list of players and his reads on them. (\This too is infused with emotes and smiles galore, as if his whole case were a joke. He's still just taunting the town.

First we'll look at his latest posts, then we'll go into an ISO of him in the whole game.

RC starts page 26 with his attempt to dissuade me from voting him, by saying he'd sacrifice his G.M. to allow me to neighborize him. (This is a plan that would take at least 2 nights to accomplish, utterly delaying this neighborhood that isn't even town-confirmed, and delaying the town from diverting their apprentices elsewhere.)

Post #638 is the first of his campaign to divert the lynch away from him. He quotes a massive wall of Kmd-text, which is a big pile of Kmd's reads on the other players.
He ends that post saying "Remember, Kmd flipped town so.... these are true reads and this is goodposting."
1) KMD did flip town. However, that does not mean that all of kmd's reads are true. Town flips do not mean truth, just as RC claiming town does not make him town.
2) And quoting massive blocks of text without purpose and your own content is not goodposting.

Post #639 is another massive quote wall, with RC wondering why Karma was not the play D1, saying that Karma should have been lynched D1.

Post #641 is yet another massive quoted wall.
RC says "Not just this. Loads of other stuff. Like, I'm not even going to begin to explain it, cause it'd take too long. But, quite a bit." This is, of course, a load of shit. If RC actually had a case to bring against someone, he should. He is just spouting off steam, trying to save his own skin.

RC says in the massive quoted post against Dramonic, "Also, a huge amount of gut based on playing multiple times with dramonic." Don't forget this line. We'll come back in a minute.

This post is a post of RC's reads. Most of his reads are passive, as if RC is merely observing the game unfold.
He says "feels like he's trying too hard to be townie. earlier on i had a town read but i moved him here because he got worse and worse.. and then.... 384. wow.

k he's town now

" Passive attitude. One post utterly clears his suspicions on Parama?
"-mrsuave (this cat is town. the 'why' is secret for now, i'll divulge my reasoning later if it becomes useful)"
Tell us why he's so town. Either its a power you have, (proving that your role claim earlier is a load of shit and proves you're lying scum) or you're using meta; more crap.

" he ays 'RC is acting like RC does' but then later jumps on my back for lack of content... this is grade A backtracking, folks, no matter HOW worthless I was being. alllllso, he tries to handle pressure on him by ignoring it. huge scumtell in my book. also, helloooo fishing in 374)"
1) I only know you from two other games: Thrillville and Wisborg Asylum. You're definitely not playing like you did in W.A. There you led your alliance on lynch after lynch, playing well and effectively. Here you are spouting useless AtE and WIFOM that's clearly meant to screw with us. The fuck-load of WIFOM is highly distracting and useless. (Wait for the ISO.)
2) You basically say that your being completely worthless is something we're supposed to overlook?
3) That's not fishing. That's me thinking out loud.

And I really love the picture. I saved it for later use. I'd post a useless picture also, but we only need one person spouting WIFOM and Bullshit in this game.

edit: Nice Budja. Nice. You support Divination (which I claimed D1), then try to lynch me? You're supporting an obviously town school and trying to lynch the only person in that school at the same time? Obv_scum.
RC/Budja scumbuddies.

FoS: Budja
And I'm still voting RC, not deluded by his bullshit.

Now its time for the wonderful ISO.

ISO 0: RVS vote on TBM. (RVS)
ISO 1: Comments on OMGUSing. (Non-game talk)
ISO 2: Comments on Empking's RVS vote. (RVS)
ISO 3: Talking to mod. (Mod-talk)
ISO 4: Responds to my comment on his RVS vote. (Non-game talk)
ISO 5: Apologizes for not posting. (Non-game talk)
6: Another RVS vote. Made without content. (RVS)
7: Comments on other people's votes. (Poor)
8: Asks Gamma if I Andy is scummy. (Poor)
9: Votes Karma because Karma said something RC hates. (RVS)
10: Useless post saying he has no reason for voting Karma. (Useless)
11: Joke-DayVigs Karma (Poor)
12: Posts a useless picture. (Useless)
13: Bashes the Content-O-Meter in favor of the useless WIFOM products. (Useless)
14: Votes Parama for rhyming. (Poor)
15: Defends his poor vote with useless reasoning. (Useless)
16: Non-game talk to Parama. (Non-game talk)
17: Makes a joke against Karma. (Useless)
18: Semi-readable post that is useless (Useless)
19: Useless WIFOM and self-voting (Useless)
20: Prefers a Karma lynch over Andy. (Poor)
21: Horrible defense of his preferences in 21. (Useless)
22: Semi-uselful defense of his vote. (Poor)
23: Calls Karma out for WIFOM. /hypocrite (Useless)
24: Calls out some grammatical error. (Useless)
25: Tells me I'm useful [what is he, a RoleCop or something? Oh wait! He's scum1!], and Karma has crap-logic. (Poor)
26: WIFOM and B.S. (Useless)
27: ""I am a POWERFUL WIZARD. I don't have to try to act pro-town. I will just blast anyone who defies me with POWERFUL MAGIC."" (Useless)
28: Promises to read and catch up. (Poor)
29: Jokes about how his posts have nothing worth analyzing. (Useless)
30: Mentions a possible scum gambit. (poor)
31: Comments on Andy's play. (Fair Content)
32: Calls Karma a dork. Relies on his POWERFUL WIZARD status to save his ass. (Useless)
33: Defends his stance of Andy > Karma. (Poor)
34: ""*golf clap*"" (Useless)
35: Self-votes again. (Useless)
36: Responds to my Q regarding his lack of alliances. (Fair)
37: Says he's not a jester; will post more. (Poor)
38: Promises a vote and reread. (Poor)
39: Asks Karma for scumreads. (Fair)
40: Calls himself a genius. (Useless)
41: Comments on SSBF. (Fair)
42: Hints at a scum QT. /WIFOM (Useless)
43: Says his n00b read on Karma is gone. (Poor)
44: Says TBM speaks the truth, in a quote from TBM. (Poor)
45: Useless link to a keyboard trainer. (Useless)
46: Asks why he's lazy. (Useless)
47: Posts an AtE alert. (Poor)
48: Admits he uses AtE. (Poor)
49: backhands Mr. Suave (Useless)
50: Wants apprentices to pick his school. (Poor)
51: Says he was /ninja'd. (Useless)
52: Promises a reread. (Poor)
53: Unvotes the self-vote. (Poor)
54: Votes TBM, with useless stuff in the post. (Poor)
55: Counters KMD's apprentices plan. (Fair)
56: Claims Conjuration. (Rendered useless by 57)
57: Says the claim was a joke. (Useless)
58: Non-game talk. (Non-game talk)
59: Votes TBM, which he was already doing. (Useless)
60: Calls Andy Capt. Obvious. (Useless)
61: Says we'll lynch Andy tomorrow. (Fair?)
62: Comments on Budja being beautiful. (Useless) [Scumbuddies]
63: Promises a reread. (Poor)
64: Talks about Harry Potter. (Non-game talk)
65: Same as 64. (Non-game talk)
66: Off-topic. (Useless)
67: Calls Andy and himself scum. Votes Andy. (Useless WIFOM)
68: Promises he's not scum. Wants more Andy votes. (Useless)
69: Says he has a G.M. (Poor)
70: Talk of a massclaim. (Poor)
71: Talk of massclaim. (poor)
72: Joke. (Useless)
73: Claims Enchantment. (Fair)
74: Says he already claimed. (Poor)
75: Claims spells. (Fair)
76: States his WinCon. Wants Andy killed. (Poor)
77: Setup talk. (Poor)
78: Defines magic missile (Fair)
79: Says he's at work. (Non-game talk)
80: Makes a sad face at Karma. (Non-game talk)
81: talks of him not being retarded. (non-game)
82: Chooses Karma- Gamma to claim next. (Fair)
83: Says he's lazy. (Poor)
84: Says he's not scum. (Useless)
85: A decent post. (Fair)
86: Wants to nominate Andy for a title. Votes Andy. (Averaging some Non-game and Poor together to get a RVS.)
87: Tries to look more town. (Poor)
88: WIFOM and useless posting. (Useless)
89: Useless posting, semi-threatening town. (Useless)
90: Asks for a case against him. (Poor)
91: Rebutts KArma's case. (Fair)
92: More rebuttal (Fair)
93: Wants to lynch Karma. (Poor)
94: Votes Parama, claims town again. (Poor)
95: Says he's not putting effort into this game, by saying he's only putting effort into other games. (Poor)
96: Calls for unvoting from himself. (Poor)
97: Useless joke. (Useless)
98: "wtf?" (Useless)
99: Useless. (Useless)

Ok what the hell. He has over 100 posts, so he has almost 1/7 posts in this game, most of which are jokes, non-game talk, bullshit, WIFOM, not including self-voting, pictures, and berating other players.

100: Wants to prod MrSuave. (Fair)
101: Says he's an easy lynch because of how he's playing. (Poor)

And you don't do anything to amend the situation? You're anti-town at your worst.

102: Votes Empking, with more comments on his own play. (poor)
103: Says he's a pirate. (Useless)
104: Claims town again. (At this point, Useless)
105: Claims town again. (Useless)
106: Asks for time to defend himself. (Poor)
107: Claims non-scum. (Useless)
108: Unvotes. (Poor)

I already did page 26 up there. WAAAY up there. lol

So, as you can see, RC posts useless banter, berates other players, posts WIFOM and self-votes and pictures and useless links. He only now wants to defend himself, now that he's close to being lynched.

There's my big case on RC. Most obvious anti-town, very scummy player. Let's lynch the scum. We can worry about his scumbuddies tomorrow.

[Budja]

Mistake on my part Andrius. Explained already.
Nice job calling yourself an obv-town school with it .

[Andrius]

Wait, what was the mistake?
Karma was the one who called it obv-town. Most people saw it obv-town until I claimed, so.