Open 203: C/9 Mafia Wins!

[kunkstar7]

Hey, I'm replacing Scott.

@Max, I would like an explanation of why you believe The1fif has a town read, I don't really see anything from him that would elicit such a read.

I can't really side in either the RVS or RQS as both of them work to get a game out of the beginning. Just most games use RVS. A lot of them end with a discussion of the merits of the RVS. Its all a matter of reviewing what reactions players give to these random questions or votes.

Lastly, when quoting can you add the name of the person you quote?, helps especially when you are just stealing small snippets.

[kunkstar7]

Ummm...hi?

Considering we are four pages in, I think its reasonable to ask of you to form some opinion of players so far. Anything you notice so far?

@danakillsu:

You guys might have some reason that only you know for drawing battle lines, but I don't see any of them. That's what I'm saying. Now let's stop discussing what I don't see as tells and start trying to actually find someone scummy.

Why is pressuring you for your reads not searching for scummy? As it were I find that you trying to diverge away from that point is suspicious, as it can be a scumtell, you might be avoiding the situation because its your partner under suspicion. Just because you might not see a scumtell in it doesn't mean others might not, and trying to just get away from it doesn't look good.

[kunkstar7]

I have town vibes from Gheb and Gayle, scumvibes from max, and mostly null-reads on everyone else.

Elaborate

Lol, i don't like gheb's play.

Elaborate

I find this post completely useless. You provide no direction as to what kind of elaboration you are requesting.

[kunkstar7]

You've got to be kidding me. wdjat was NOT pressuring me for reads on other people, he was pressuring me for why I was voting for him. This looks like a bad excuse to continue exactly what I just said was pointless. I'm going to leave wdjat for now, though, because I'm really annoyed by JacobSavage's lack of involvement here.

unvote vote:JacobSavage

Amazingly, pressuring you for your reasons why you are voting him is pressuring you for explaining your read on him. If you can't explain your reason for voting him, then your vote is ill-founded. Voting with no reason is scummy.

Vote Count-Sho
Scott-tatetothetot,
Lowell-Wdjat, gameplayah
Gheb-the1fifi
Max-Gayle, kyle99, Lowell, Jacob Savage
Jacob Savage-Gheb, danakillsu
Gayle-wdjat

[kunkstar7]

The1fifi, on what grounds would you push for a lowell wagon? Do you understand the case on him and are just agreeing with it, or are you just wagonning because this game is slow? The latter is what I percieve from your post. Bandwagonning just to wagon is not justified.

[kunkstar7]

@Lowell: Why would I not care about the questions I ask? Show me an example of such a question.

[kunkstar7]

Actually no. Post 115 was to clarify from the1fifi his overall standing on the wagon he was joining. If I had taken his preceding post without any other context, I would vote him on that alone, seeing as it looks like bandwagonning just for the hell of it, without any backup reason. Even taking it in context, it looks like he just saw Max make a case on you, said, "yea that'll do fine", and proceeded to join your wagon at an opportune time without adding any reasoning of his own.

Vote Count-Sho
Scott-tatetothetot,
Lowell-Wdjat, gameplayah
Lowell-the1fifi
Max-Gayle, kyle99, Jacob Savage
Jacob Savage-danakillsu
danakillsu-wdjat, Gheb
Kunkstar-Lowell

[kunkstar7]

@tate- no worries. people always go after me when they're scared and don't know what else to do. I wouldn't worry about it, though, I'm good at weaseling my way out. I'm de facto unlynchable.

What is this supposed to mean really? Your wording implies a guiltiness and escaping from judgement. Also considering yourself unlynchable is way overconfident. If you exhibit scummy tendencies then you will be lynched. This whole confidence that you can sneak by any lynch is horrible.

vote: lowell

[kunkstar7]

Ok, at this moment, although I don't like the posting just "Elaborate" I find wdjat is being reasonable here. Along with Gayle.

Danakillsu's OMGUS on wdjat was terrible, and the1fifi's blatantly saying that he would OMGUS someone is just saying that you would be willing to put emotion over logic, which can clearly be anti-town. You shouldn't vote someone for just being annoying, ever. He may be annoying to you but I see a lot more coming from him than you. I just see you wagoning onto wdjat under the guise that he is annoying and you didn't even state anymore reasoning, you just say he's playing with smoke and mirrors. Which is also bs, as he is rightfully calling for you to explain your reasoning, and if you can't take the time to explain it then it might as well be said not exist.

[kunkstar7]

I don't think lowell is buddying. Wdjat has actually been make a considerable contribution, and dana's defense against them have been poor. Pressure on dana is definitely substantiated at this point.

[kunkstar7]

What made you think that Lowell had an investigation? There was no night start, therefore there was no investigation to get results from. As JacoSavage pointed out, its impossible to confirm roles in this game. So while I don't think Lowell should be lynched today, his activity tomorrow should be monitored and lynch/left alone accordingly.

It doesn't look like a replacement for Kyle99 is coming. He's been scummy so far, and it fits with what I'm seen from him before, so

unvote;Vote:Kyle99

and lets save the mod some trouble.

[kunkstar7]

@The1fifi: What makes you think that Lowell will survive the night?

Agreed it was a horrible post, but this is a forgettable game for me.

JacobSavage's agreement vote doesn't look good at all. I personally am ok with lynching dana or kyle, if Lowell hadn't claimed cop he would be viable too, but we have to see what the next day brings before heading into that territory. As it is a tossup between Kyle and Dana in my mind, I felt that we might as well just save the mod extra trouble and get a lynch on a scummy player at the same time. There is no way we can no-lynch now, so I needed to pick a wagon. Without a replacement coming forth for Kyle, it'll be much easier to read dana in the next day, so dana stays.

[kunkstar7]

If you don't have an opinion as to whether he will make it through the night, then how can you make a statement that we should rely on Lowell's results after tonight?

[kunkstar7]

So confused. It looked like dana was defending hewitt, but now its an attack?

Also this:

I feel like you're forgetting this happened.

I'm a cop.

I don't know about you but I don't vote to lynch claimed power roles on D1.

You are misrepresenting hewitt. Although he stated that lowell is never good for town, he didn't say that it made him a viable lynch all the time. He just said it made him a good candidate this time around as we don't have much else for leads. He, along with everyone else, adjusted for lowell's cop claim.

[kunkstar7]

What exactly makes him[kyle] a better lynch than someone like hewitt?

That he has no interest in this game so he can't help town.

Things like this are why dana should be lynched.

I'm voting Kyle because his play before asking to be replaced wasn't all that great. Also to get the game moving. Really at this point we need to pick a suspect to lynch so we can move along and get something to work with instead of continuing to drag along.

[kunkstar7]

Right, I would go for Cops claiming with guility.
No claim if no guilty.

Is that alright with everyone else?
_________________

? Don't know what this means...
@Lowell
Your results?

There is the possibility of multiple cops, I think, reread the OP. Lowell surviving and there an alternative kill has too many unknown possibilities to confirm him as town, but I would still like results.

[kunkstar7]

Lets say just cops with a guilty right now.
If I am a cop, I investigated Max last night.

[kunkstar7]

3) kunkstar7: "If I am a cop, I investigated Max last night." What?

It means, if I am a cop I investigated Max last night, therefore have no information to give to the town today. I suggest everyone doing this. If you are not a cop, post:

"If I am a cop, I investigated X last night", where X is any member of the game currently living or Max, as he was a possible investigation choice last night.

If you are a cop with a result post:
"If I am a cop, I investigated {{player}} last night", where {{player}} is your result.

This provides scum with no information as to possible cops but still allows any cops to provide their information, which will be confirmed on their death or by claiming at some point.

I agree with Lowell's stance, even though it does little to confirm him. Claiming the result at the end might be a suitable approach. But seeing as you are a claimed cop in the open, we need the results at some point before scum have the chance to kill you and decline us those results if you are really cop.

[kunkstar7]

Hi, Lowell, just say your results, we are getting nowhere.
In other news,wdjat seems townie to me. Dana and the1fifi are good candidates for a lynch right now.

Vote: the1fifi

Mod: Request Deadline/Prod/Nuclear Device Ability

[kunkstar7]

Also, I don't like this "If I am a cop I investigated X" plan. It potentially outs non-cops to the scum.

If everyone does it then the scum have no way of knowing who really is a cop. It also allows a cop to put out their results without trouble, and these results can be confirmed by their death. I want you to explain how it potentially outs non-cops. It was done in one of my other games, and worked fine.

[kunkstar7]

Kunk, I asked you a question.

Hi, I actually answered it. Maybe not in depth as you would like, because it was based mostly off of gut feelings at this point.

[kunkstar7]

Daykill: Gheb.

Obvscum cough.

At this point does anyone else agree with abandoning this?

[kunkstar7]

Before anyone freaks out, I should note the above daykill was merely a joke, I do not have the ability to daykill anyone. Sadly.

JacobSavage-1-Gayle
ksen-3-Kunkstar7, JacobSavage, Lowell
lowell-1- danakillsu
danakillsu-1-Wdjat
Kunkstar7-1-Gheb

Prodding ksen
Still searching for jmj3000 replacement

[kunkstar7]

Unvote;Vote: JacobSavage.

Clearly lurkerscum. Also wants to out cops. And jokes about roles that aren't in the game needlessly.

[kunkstar7]

Right Good, now we lynch Kunk.
If he is inno, your inno.
If scum, your scum
simples

What? One: My innocence has nothing to do with his innocence. Scum knows that besides his partner, everyone else is town, so its easy for them to claim cop and give innocent results. Two, a cop gives you an investigation yet you want to lynch a confirmed townie? I,being the target of the investigation, am inclined to believe Lowell.

Better idea than wasting a confirmed townie, if we have another cop, have them investigate Lowell.

[kunkstar7]

Anybody against lynching Jacob?

@kunk: You are not a confirmed townie.

True. For technicalities sake: confirmed on cop's death. So basically, if Lowell is NK'ed and flips cop, then I'm confirmed. Although if I'm NK'ed that doesn't confirm Lowell.

In any case, JacobSavage calling for a lynch on me when it benefits the town much more to leave both me and Lowell alive and let the scum make the mistake of confirming us is horrible. My vote remains.

[kunkstar7]

So in other words a lynch on me would not help town, as it will then take us down to only 4 to lynch and with 2 scum alive, thus scum could take an easy speed lynch with only two votes!

Except that's exactly what you are proposing when you said that I should be lynched to "confirm" Lowell. Really overall that's a poor defense considering that it's a natural action in any game where town is slow in finding scum.

[kunkstar7]

Well the town is slow anyway...

But It is not completely, a lynch on you would help the town in a way, but having said that its a very small benefit to anything.

Explain to me why town would benefit more from me being lynched than you.

[kunkstar7]

Methinks we should continue the Jacoblynching.

[kunkstar7]

@Gayle
It was a random lynch in that it was random. But I like to call it controlled chaos!

So you are admitting that it's a random lynch? This makes no sense to me.

[kunkstar7]

Well, I guess dana is alright to go with. Still prefer JS as the lynch but, I like azelf's case much more than dana's defense. Also I had some previous suspicion of dana, no reason not to act on it now.

unvote;vote:danakillsu.

[kunkstar7]

Ok then. Not even going to start guessing what happened last night there's no point. I say Lowell claims last nights results.

[kunkstar7]

Last Night an Alien abducted the Mafia,
Aren't they kind

Vote: JacobSavage.

[kunkstar7]

Just checking in before I get prodded. I'll be back later today.

@Azelf: This is an open game. You can see the setup in the OP. There are no roleblockers and we are as likely to have a doctor as we are a cop. In other words, none of what you just said makes any sense.

Thanks for beating me to that.

Unvote; Vote: Wdjat

@Mod: Replacements on Wdjat, hewitt please?

[kunkstar7]

Hoping to see if he would react to the vote without being replaced. But I have a feeling he's flaked out. Since theres no point now that I stated that flat out,

unvote.

Regarding Lowell's cop claim, he will reveal his results, he just wants to see how people react to his target. Connections and the sort. It doesn't work if everyone already knows who he investigated.

[kunkstar7]

@Town: Our scum is the extreme lurkers. Lynch them. Like Wdjat or hewitt. We have 2 mislynches left before LyLo. I think today would be a good day to weed out a lurker. I agree with Lowell on the cop claim. If we have a second cop please claim, and we'll have them cross investigate to confirm.

[kunkstar7]

Scratch the cross investigating. Its unnecessary for some reason that I thought of right after I posted that and left class. As soon as I recall it I'll add it.

[kunkstar7]

Remembered it. Its unnecessary because if they are both scum they can just confirm each other, and that screws town.

Its just as likely for any player to be cop, as each cop chance is independent of the rest, according to the the setup.

[kunkstar7]

Claimed doctor changes things. I'm always too trusting of claims.

Vote: Lowell

, looking at the protection targets Lowell has no reason to be alive today. On the offchance that Lowell is indeed cop, well that just confirms his results. Would like your "results" from last night before you go Lowell.

[kunkstar7]

Alright then, continuing. Still think scum is the people being replaced.

[kunkstar7]

And you did a lot to voice this opinion before the hammer....
Lowell....I'm sure you've played long enough to know that what you did was stupid, if you are actually vanilla.

[kunkstar7]

Also, don't even try to pressure vote in this game. There is no one left that cares enough to be pressured.

... >_>

No, I like the gheb wagon best. The blatant contradiction of being fine with the lynch then trying to throw mud afterwards is bad.

Vote: Gheb.

@JS: Why nacho and Lowell? I see no reasoning from you as to why we should look at them, and for what? Just looks like you want others to build the case for you.

[kunkstar7]

I would really like Lowell to do something with is slot to show some reason why he shouldn't be a target today.

Kunkstar was doing some pretty suspicious buddying with Lowell Mark I back in the "HEY LOOK I'M A COP LOLOLOLOL" period, but he gets a few town points for some recent scumhunting. Also faintly scum.

Unfortunately I believed him as a cop, so I was hoping the his flip would either confirm me or kill scum.

TRYING TO STOP TOWN FROM BEING LYNCHED: Totally not worth it.

What? That makes no sense. If you believe someone is town you should defend them, doing otherwise is obviously anti-town as you are allowing what you believe is a mislynch to go through?

[kunkstar7]

NO GET BACK HERE NAO. ANSWER OUR QUESTIONSSSSSSSSS

In all seriousness, answer the questions posed to you, shouldn't be that difficult.

[kunkstar7]

Why nacho and Lowell? I see no reasoning from you as to why we should look at them, and for what? Just looks like you want others to build the case for you.

Right this is one of these cases that if I explain, the magic wears off
I think thats the lot

No. Explain it. Now.

Unvote; Vote: JacobSavage.

it worked last time...

[kunkstar7]

Wrong. The mod could just redo the dice roll for roles again, randomize nightresults. It's been done before if I recall correctly, in at least one of the really early newbie games where the mod flaked. The replacement mod made a note about it postgame. You know, trying to base assumptions off of out of game information is bad really, especially if its flawed. So any actually scumhunting based off of ingame posts to add?

[kunkstar7]

Cause the people that actually want to see that lynch through are already voting him...

[kunkstar7]

lylo

Thank you. That was so informative, I appreciate your massive contribution to this thread.

Hm, melikes the gheb lynch idea.

[kunkstar7]

Screw you guys, I'm going home. Oh well. I guess most of us are just glad to get this over with. This is assuming the Gayle/Nacho hammer was the scum win.